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Backrubman -- Well, I give you credit for being so open about the topic, and seeking opinions, but that's about it. What I'm reading here sounds like young lady --- who probably doesn't know any better despite being smart --- who thinks (at least right now ... who knows about tomorrow) she wants to have a baby as a single mother and a guy, with his own family commitments, and who should know better, happy to facilitate that. YOU should be focusing ALL your energies on convincing her not to do that until she finds the right person to do it with, period. You should be thinking of your own wife, of what you could end up putting her through, and -- most important of all -- you should be thinking about what you are setting that kid up for. God bless all the single moms and single parents out there as I have no clue how they do it, but the overwhelming majority have no choice. And you are hearing that from the other ladies on this board. I'm not hearing anything about love, about starting a family based on love, about helping out on a regular basis when times get tough, when the child is ill, or up all night, or with schoolwork, or when he/she has trouble with friends, something goes wrong, etc... Etc., etc., etc. I could go on for an hour. What I AM hearing is an overly clinical analysis that has nothing whatsoever to do with bringing a child into this world. And ... meaning no disrespect ... I'm not buying for a minute the fundamental premise that, "geez, unless I have sex with her until she gets pregnant, someone else not as great as me will just do it." That's a lot of baloney and its the basis for your whole rationale. If you participate in this, you are sentencing a kid to proabably never having a father that he/she knows, that participate in their lives as a dad. That's about as sad and shameful as it gets, and its all being done for selfish reasons. To the rest of the board, I apologize for my tone, but we are talking about a real, live kid here and a massive mistake. I hope at least the people (single or married) here with kids ... who have put in endless hours to create great lives filled with love, comfort and happiness, understand. I'm going to stop now before I really get mad.

So far in my experiences with SPs, I have always been able to shower immediately before leaving to go meet her. So I've never showered at an SP's incall. I have a question about exiting the shower: What is the best/standard way to do this? Should I put my clothes back on? Or come out with the towel tied around my waist? Or come out full naked?

My friends are my family. They are the ones I can count on to be there when I need to laugh, or to talk, or to have a crazy crying freakout. And they don't judge me for it. And I do the same for them. My mom came over on Christmas Eve this past year, and my two best friends came over to join us. My friends didn't pretend to be anything but the crazy, hilarious, drunken girls that they always are - they made jokes, danced around, teased my mom, etc. And my mom's reaction was: It makes me really happy to see that you have these girlfriends. They love you. I can see it. She was able to see the love and friendship that exists there, and it made me so happy that she could. Hell, they got along so well, one of my best friends was sad I didn't take her with me to my moms for dinner this past Sunday - and who WANTS to go to a family dinner, really? Now that's a friend :)

I have no problem admitting it. Of course there are guys who come to see me for a half hour or even an hour who don't have my pleasure in mind. Time has nothing to do with it. And yes, it's pretty hard to expect both parties will be pleasured in 15 minutes, which is the main reason I don't offer 15 minute specials. However even with a half hour session, if the client is there to get in, get off and get out (yes there are some who don't want to stay the half hour), and we both know what the drill is, I have no problem foresaking my pleasure or an orgasm to ensure he has one. After all, I am providing a service. And let's get real. I've been around long enough to know that sometimes it's not going to be about me, just them, and for me to get upset about it, serves no purpose. Enjoying myself is a bonus of course, but never an expectation. For me it's providing a good service, having fun, and if I have a orgasm, that's great too. But I refuse to fake it.

I tried quitting using a variety of methods, but I finally came to the conclusion that the best and most efficient method is called cold turkey. You have to come up with a very good reason to motivate you and then it's a matter of discipline. My reason as the birth of my son, and I will have my 30 year anniversary later this month. I have to say that the benefits are worth the effort. Good luck, and I hope you can find a method that works for you.

:icon_biggrin:My first post is a bit jumbled so I am writing this again, personally as much as I love cerb and I do, I also like to have a variety of sites to post and advertise on . Variety is great in alot of aspects of our lives and to be honest I have had good and bad clients from here, bp and other sites. Nothing can be perfect so the best advice to any of us when venturing outside of cerb is be vigilant and enjoy!! But I think it is really unfair to compare them as they are both so different, cerb is more of a community it screens it sp's so what you see is what you get. Bp will allow anyone to advertise, as they don't verify photo's only monitor the wording in ads and the nudity in pics, to each their own.:icon_biggrin:

Cat, a real friend won't be doing either of those things... because they'll be in the cell with you :)

I can see how a woman would decide to have a family and choose not to have the father present. I can see how a man in this position see it as an opportunity to fulfill the desire to "leave something behind". I see the wisdom of choosing a father that has the resources to contribute to the child's financial needs and the willingness to honor the mothers code. Both people are willing and consenting adults so it seems like a scenario that needs exploring both in the legal and spiritual sense except that this doesn't involve 2 people, it involves 4. Mother, father, wife and child. What I also see is a family left behind to find out that their loved one had a "secret" life and I have personal experience with that. The devastation it leaves in the wake is of tsunami proportions. The remaining family questions every aspect of the "relationship" they thought they had with their loved one (or less than loved one at that point) and the time spent together; even the good memories become painful; the path to peace is often lost and these people spend the rest of their lives reeling with almost insurmountable trust issues. If you intend to make this child an heir, you need to include your wife in this decision if you don't want to leave her emotionally devastated after your death. Are you prepared to leave destruction as a part of your legacy? Another aspect to consider is the will of this child as it grows. I have a passel of children, some biologically mine; others are my children by circumstance. The one thing that adults consistently underestimate is the will of child in a situation like this. If this child decides that he/she is going to get to know you and be a part of your life, you will have little power to stop this exploding in your "real" life a decade or two down the road. Children are not to be controlled when it comes to a genuine hearts desire. The fly in the ointment that I see is that you want to keep this a secret. If you genuinely love your wife and value her as a human being and life partner, this is a shitstorm on the horizon. Secrecy is a myth, it doesn't exist and all will come out; my intuition tells me, long before you are gone. Are you prepared for that? cat

This may not be very politically correct, but as a father, and grandfather, my feeling is that, based on your opening thread, you have some very high expectations about how rewarding or how "magical" fatherhood, and influencing the life of a young person through bloodline will be. I think you are (highly) overrating the future rewarding feeling you think you are going to get from being a "father", and in this case, little more than a donor. There are lots of other options that allow you to actually have a relationship with a young person, albeit not a descendant of yours, that you may want to look at (maybe "Big Brothers"). I am gathering adoption was not an option for you and your wife. Although I am not in your situation so cant relate to your feeling a vacuum in your life if you dont have offspring, but I can tell you that I wouldn't, if life had been different, have the same yearning as you. Lots of people have lots of $, so going on about it is not that big of a deal either, as you can use it to establish trusts for many worthwhile legacies you may feel proud of instead. People hate it that I think that childbirth is not a "miracle" . The proof being that it is replicated, so many times, in so many places, and by so many people, every day, under so many circumstances, that it is a actually a pretty common event. Obviously the new mothers and fathers feel differently, as did I at the time, but taking a step back, I see it differently now. Good luck in whatever you decide

All over the television the last few days, I've seen American news shows going on and on about BLS (the Bureau of Labour Statistics. But all it makes me think about is Ball Licking and Sucking. I dont' think I could even try to NOT think about this type of 'BLS' when seeing 'BLS' written all over the television screen. I know I've had this happen before with other acronyms but can't think of any at the moment... but whenever it does happen, I love having that 'secret' meaning of the term that others don't know. This happen to anyone else?

I'm on Twitter more and more and definately see the utility...personally I find it much easier to interact with the ladies on Twitter. More social and less chance for controversy with 140 characters I find. Peace MG

To me our gentlemen are coming to see us to fill much more than a physical need. Quite often it seems to me that it is also an emotional or mental one. There are many reasons at least to me that men go outside of the home or search out an SP. And its a desire to have that need filled. I think? and I could be wrong is their needs for MUTUAL attraction, satisfaction, pleasure are a huge part of what they feel is missing? Or at the least its part and parcel. I sincerely hope that while Im with a gentleman I fill much more than a basic physical need. I think allowing my own pleasure is a part of that :)

I understand your concern sir, but fear not, people in Ottawa are very understanding when it comes to maintaining discretion. This is after all, a political town. Everyone has something to hide. If I were completely politically paranoid, the only time when someone is outed, is when they piss-off someone higher than they (them?). Or, alternatively, if someone has a political agenda or interest. What I'm saying is, IMO it doesn't matter if you go to a parlour or an indy. If someone is out to embarrass you, they will find a way regardless of your massage choices. Good luck J.

I love playing Mahjong Titans. It's one of those games that came with my laptop. It's a really simple game. All you have to do is match all the tiles but you can only click the outside tiles. I didn't know they had a physical game. I have to look into it.

Personally, I find it puts both of us more at ease if I shower on arrival. On a repeat visit, I can definitely see the potential for this turning into a fun start to the session! Basically, I see it as a simple courtesy on arrival, and a wise way to clean up afterwards before rejoining the real world.

I think it's pretty straight forward, and personally I enjoy the chance to get acquainted in the shower. You've booked an hour, and you have no way of knowing what else she has planned for the rest of her day, so although it's in their best interests to let you have a shower you shouldn't expect her to give you a whole lot of extra time to freshen up. I know for myself a date isn't full bore for an hour so give or take five to ten minutes shouldn't be a problem, split the difference, and if you're counting the minutes, you probably aren't in the right mood, or it was such a good date you should be giving her tip.

Im in trouble. I quit cold turkey 12 years ago and when I went into the hospital this summer, I started again. Not too sure what to do this time. :(

I agree wholeheartedly with Boomer, cold turkey is best. I've known people who've done the Champix and other medical methods, but ultimately, if you don't have the will to continue afterwards, you won't be able to make it. I pretty much locked myself indoors for a week and sweated it out. The crazy was done after about 4 days, and the habit was broken by the end of the week I found. Pretty much relied on the suffering I went through to keep me from going back afterwards. I managed to do this just a few months before going in to a war zone without relapses and it's been 4 years now without any breakdowns. I've tried before using various methods but really just sucking it up and setting my mind to do it is what worked the best. Pick your reason for doing it and stick with it thick and thin and you'll do fine (minus a few days of craziness, lol). Have faith in yourself and good luck!

If you don't have the cold or flu yet its excellent, but if you already contracted it get the Cold-FX extra strength start 1st day 3 pills in the morning and 3 at night, 2nd day, 2 pills in the morning and 2 at night, 3rd day, 1 pill in the morning and 1 at night. This gets rid of the cold fast, usually I get feeling better after the first day.

Actually a very good point. In my case, since I have to travel, all encounters, even those with ladies I consider friends, are paid encounters. A phone call to get together for a quick cup of coffee not possible. But it doesn't lessen IMHO the friendship. And I do accept the uniqueness of this lifestyle. But, for lack of a better word, the dynamics of an encounter with a lady who is an escort versus a lady who is a friend who is an escort is very much different. Don't know if that is an answer RG

They made the business news recently (their stock went "down"), BlackBerry's maker is Research In Motion, RIM for short....

In a post by Roamingguy he questioned if one can be friends with a Sp. I answered that anything is possible when people are involved. I think it could work, if the Sp was not seeing the person as a client. Any other way, I think that it's a problem waiting to happen. Now let me get to the point of this post. I think in today's society the meaning of "friend" as been lost. When the norm is to have 1000's of friends on Facebook, or other similar social networks, and actually knowing maybe a handful. The line between friends and acquaintances, has been blurred with the social networks. Friend to me is a term I don't use lightly, a friend to me is someone I can trust my life with. I have very few friends but many acquaintances. What does "friend" mean to you?

Vanessa beat me to it! Boil some water, and add some honey, spiced rum and lemon. Have a drink before bed and you'll sleep like a baby.

I hope they're a turn on! I'm planning on taking some new photos today, and I have to admit, I have tan lines!

I am one of those firm believers in Vitamin C and its ability to prevent the cold. For it to be effective to me however there is a very specific time when one must ingest relatively large amounts. Prior to getting a cold if one feels the symptoms that tell you a cold may be on the way- perhaps an ache in the neck or bones, or whatever the precursor symptoms are for you, then immediately start the Vitamin C. I usually take 3 X 500 mg tablets multiple times throughout the day, whenever I think of it. The body cannot overdose on Vitamin C as it is water soluble and excess is eliminated. I REALLY believe that if I get it into me at the very very early stage then the cold will not develop. Once the cold is settled in however, the only thing is to settle in for the long haul, be a baby, and hope that someone will pamper and take good care of you and bring copious amounts of homemade chicken soup. :) The best medicine is prevention - wash hands, wash hands, wash hands!

Too many leftovers in the fridge that won't be eaten.

I find that, for the ladies, vigorous chest rubs work the best. :) Seriously, the zinc remedies here in the states work well ... stuff like Cold-eeze lozenges and Zicam are pretty popular for basic virus-based colds.

Left or Right???

It does happen sometimes Cristy! What I do sometimes is right click - open in the new tab. After clicking submit it might give you a weird code - just close the tab - back to the original post - and voila! its there. I never found out what might causes it :b

Absolutely. And so there's a fundamental asymmetry to this "being friends with an escort" thing. I'd be very happy if someone I'd met sent me a mail to say, "Hey, do you want to go for coffee?" (or whatever else it may be)... but I can't send a mail like that to any SP without looking like a client who's trying to get free time out of her, which I obviously have no wish to do. And there's also a risk on the SP's side if she does that; both people would need to be very clear about whether or not this is a one-off, and what the terms are (or will be) for a future meeting, and how the friendship and the provider/client relationship will co-exist in future. Pitfalls abound....

Sounds like a strange browser and/or script-handling glitch. What machine/OS/browser are you using? And do you still have the problem if you log in through some other device?

Turkey ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !! Please NOOOOOOOOOO !! Smoked oysters on a triscuit is just fine :)

Giving my son the Beta fish I bought him. lol wonder how long they will live?

Ooooh! I can hardly wait to watch a Hulk Hogan sex tape, said nobody ever.

I am going to throw an "end of the world" party on Dec. 21st. May as well have a good time on the way out, if that's that's the way it's going to be. If not, still had a pre-xmas party. Anyone care to join me?

What to say, what to say... Aubrey, if I move... lets not think about that. I just won't move. I have already given a recommendation for Aubrey, but I feel a reiteration of one of my evenings with her is in order. She is first of all very beautiful, both inside and out. When she opened the door to let me in... you ever see the mask with Jim Carrie? The part where his eyes pop out of his head when he sees Cameron Diaz? That's how I felt when I saw Aubrey in all her dolled up glory. I didn't really know where to look... those captivating eyes, those inviting legs, the ample cleavage that was begging to be released from the confines of the lovely outfit she was wearing. I just stood there. Eventually she had to tell me to take my shoes off and come in lol. And in I came. She was Little BO Peep, and I was her sheep. We sat down on her couch for a bit just talking and getting to know one another, and let me say that she is quite possibly the easiest lady to get along with. In the time we spent getting to know each other, I felt as if years had passed, and by the time she was ready, and let me tell you, she was ready, I felt as if we were friends. She sets you at ease the moment you sit down. she made me feel like a king and that she was honored to have me. I never even go that kind of treatment from my GIRLFRIENDS. I just cannot express the pleasure I got from the softness of her precious little soft hands running all over my body. Now, what I did not mention in my first recommendation for Aubrey was this, and this is where she had me as a regular, and I hadn't even seen her yet... First off I was her first massage ;). after texting a bit back and forth after she responded to my post that I was seeking an erotic massage, we agreed on a day and a time. I remember the text I got saying how excited she was to be trying this and how thankful she was that I was letting her try on me. That is kindness at its finest gentlemen: pampered before you even arrive! she even went so far as to watch multiple videos on giving erotic massages and if that wasn't enough, she went out and bought special lotion that went on wet but soaked into the skin. excellent touch. (She even has a sexy masseuse's robe!) I just cant say enough how erotic this woman is... she used every part of her body, her beautiful sumptuous breasts and what I have deemed: scrumptious behind, to bring me to point of erotic relaxation that most guys dream about and then have to change their sheets. Now you know how the massage ended, (well ME and Aubrey do, you'll just have to imagine guys...) but that's not where the night ended... not by a long shot ;). She very adorably asked if I wanted to massage her, and I, with a resounding yes and a gulp of hungry anticipation, gave the best massage that these calloused hands could give. She says that she loved every second... I just can't get it out of my head... the feel of her supple flesh, the softness and smoothness of her skin. She was so receptive... moaning and breathing and writhing... I thought I would cum again just from touching her beautiful body. She didn't need to tell me where to go or what to do... I was a blind man reading braille, and her luscious body spoke for her. I don't want to get into the gritty detail out of respect, but what followed is an experience that I firmly believe has ruined me for every other girl I might meet. So sensual, so erotic, so wanton... there really wasn't a world outside... it was just us... just our bodies, and the most exotic music playing like tribal drums that lifted us to a plateau of sensual obliteration. Gosh! ... I can't tell any more or that would be kiss and tell. You just have to trust me on this guys... YOU WILL NOT FIND A BETTER LADY... and the good news is, you don't have to. She is right here in Charlottetown. Down to earth, all smiles, very sensual, and a little devious ;). She is like an animal if you let her out. A lioness on the hunt, and she wants to devour you whole! Frisky and wild, while having a calming effect on you all at once... DON'T WASTE TIME THINKING ABOUT IT BOYS. JUST DO IT! OK... I have to stop, because I am turned on thinking about our last date :). Thank you aubrey :):):):):)!!

My pick for goddess of the day is the lovely and down to earth Emma. I had the pleasure of dining with her last week and she is just as sweet and nice as I had imagined!!

For me personally, that wouldn't be enough. But that's me. It's really a hard one. Phaedrus makes some excellent points. Regardless of what you agree with respect to the child, at the end of the day courts always give primary consideration to "what's in the best interests of the child" rather than what the parties agreed to. Also, you really can't surrender or bargain away parental obligations. So if, for example, down the road she wanted child support and you had agreed there would be none, you still might be obligated to pay. (I realize that's not your concern and that you want to support them) But similarly, if you agreed to have nothing to do with the children but you changed your mind later on, you'd still likely have rights to see them ... and the 2 visits a year might not be binding at all. So getting some legal advice is definitely a good idea. The thing about agreements in difficult personal situations, is that they work only so long as everyone is prepared to live with them. Once that goes, then all bets are off. I really wish you luck with this choice though. It could be a real life changer. Porthos

And that is why I asked this question for just those kind of insightful opinions that will make me think, as I have no experience as a parent, thanks. She has offered at least two in person visits a year, photos, regular updates and even when the child is walking and talking he or she doesn't have to know the guy visiting the mother for an hour or so is their father. I seriously don't have the time to raise a child but I can see myself (with her permission) anonymously attending school plays and other such activities. Yes it sure does! And at least to me this is dead serious, life changing stuff we are discussing here. I was kind of hoping for a response from you Phaedrus as I have always admired your wisdom. Very true. Well her initial plan was anonymous, she wouldn't even know the father's name or how to reach him, but I couldn't do that. I'd have to ensure my child had every chance to flourish and benefit from what I have to offer. You are very right, the lawyer(s) will have to help us sort this out. No this would be her first and you are very right. Very risky until we take advice. In fact the initial financial support would be held in trust or escrow pending a positive paternity test. She really seems to respect that I am taking no chances and every possible precaution after some of the risks (like me seeking custody) were explained to her. Yeah, I don't see her knowing about this while I am alive. If she survives me she would of course know all about it with the reading of the will. That may seem like I'm being a bastard but then it would be for much the same reasons she doesn't know about my CERB activities. Chivalry dictates I do nothing to make her feel more inadequate than she already does, so while I have permission for that, I never kiss and tell. Just the same, she must know (women know more than we sometimes give them credit for) but it has developed into a don't ask, don't tell policy over the years.

Hi Everyone, I'm back, have missed everyone and ready to go out with a bang. I'm retiring my independent west end location, that has been so good to me and my guests. I'm going to miss this place so let's give the walls more to tell before they receive a fresh new coat of paint. There's some sexy memories in these walls. ; ) I would like to celebrate my upcoming move with you, and leave us with a memorable imprint. I've just logged in here again after my spring departure, and am just waiting on the MOD to approve my pictures. I'm booking a few intoxicating escapades these next few weeks, and have a few treats up my sleeve for a few of my most sexy of friends that have stepped through here. ; ) I'm not sure yet where my next location leads me, but am going to enjoy this one in it's last weeks. Care to join me? Please just send a pm for details. Sensually yours, Erin

Of course Incalls are risky, you could get hit by a bus or a car, fall down a manhole, get a parking ticket or stuck in an elevator. If you are seeing a professional and established provider who understands the definition and reason for discretion then you will be fine, so long as you don't get hit by a bus or a car, fall down a manhole, get a parking ticket or stuck in an elevator.

If I was looking for a "15-minute option" I'd be grabbing some Vaseline and typing in spankwire. For me, that ain't the point at all.

I advertise on both and have met some very nice men from both. No need to compare I don't think they are two different sites that offer different things, there is always room for more than one site for us to advertise on and hobbisyists to look at . I believe good and bad exists everywhere. I would just suggest whom ever you choose to meet talk to them, read their reviews if any look at their pics and trust yyour intuition if it feels like a good match then I'm sure it will be.

Some things should be privately messaged to people who are inquiring and I do believe that this experience should not have been made public. Just because you say ''It was a great experience dont get me wrong BUT" doesn't justify the wrongful comments you made that are clearly against the CERB etiquette policy of if you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all...

Psssst.... (this isn't gonna get your thread back on track hun) just saying..... Posted via Mobile Device

Rooster - Dude, with respect, you're not in love. It's a combination of infatuation and horniness combined with novelty. Guaranteed. Enjoy the ride ... literally ... but keep your wits. If you keep replaying that fantasy "tape," over and over again in your head (you are doing that in your post above) you're gonna think its real and that's when you are setting yourself up for a big fall.

Please dont take to heart the opinion of someone with the name "2inthePink" his classless thread and even less classier response shows his character and I assure you doesn't even shine in the same light as you my dear friend xoxoxo

Well if it is wrong than I am in trouble! Sometimes I get a little too turned on and if it feels good do it right? lol Its human nature to want what feels good, and whose going to stop if something is making you feel great! I don't know any hobbyist who wouldnt wanted a receptive SP during an encounter. If they dont get some type of enjoyment out of the encounter the hobbyist is going to feel like it was a very robotic encounter and that is never enjoyable, my clients ALWAYS want me to have a good time :) Its all part of the fun of the job hunny

I've always thought it would be smart to find some people who are absolutely certain the world will end on December 21st, and offer to buy their houses from them a few days before the 21st for, say, $5,000. Enough time for them to enjoy the money and think you're wasting your money. Then on December 22nd... PROFIT!