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Morning all! While I was "off" recovering, had lots of time to think (I know, I know it does not happen often!). Thought about all the lovely Ladies who are so talented, I just wanted to point it out and say "thank you". We have Ladies who are full time MP's or SP's. We have Ladies who balance "traditional" work lives, in the government, at hospitals, in offices, in banks, etc. and then spend time with us hobbyists. And we have Ladies who are still in university and college, some even in Masters level courses handling that workload, then spending time with us. Then we have the Ladies who balance their work lives with children, then work, then with us. To all of you, thank you. You are special folks who work hard to make us hobbyists happy. The Liquor

This idea has been thrown around a few times already and honestly, for discretion purposes, confidentiality and privacy too, I do not see myself ever writing any kind of public reco/review about a client (unless he was a bad date) BUT I am always more than happy to provide a reference(s) when asked.

Dave, I'm replying against my better judgment. In some ways your posts in this thread seem trollish and I'm allergic to feeding trolls. Nevertheless, this has been a serious discussion about the pressure on paid companions to agree to bareback activities, including a query about whether BBBJs are as risky as BBFS. Several people have contributed helpful, factual information, including links to authoritative resources. Your post, however, was full of conjecture, unsubstantiated statements and ungrounded accusations generally in favour of the argument that the risk of contracting a serious STI is miniscule. What you've heard in response has been dull shock and dismay and now it appears that you want others to do your work for you, to prove you wrong. That's not going to happen. I've been a paid companion for over a decade and have heard the "minimal risk" argument at least once a week, and frequently far more often. I find it personally offensive and insensitive because it doesn't take into account the reality of my life and working conditions. For many men, the risk of contracting an STI from a woman may be relatively low, given that they may have only a few sex partners a year, or less. But for paid companions, the risk is exponentially higher because of the number of partners we encounter in a month, a year or a lifetime. Let's say that we're in a room with 100 other people. One person has a gun with two bullets in it and he fires both of them. A lot of people may reckon that they have a 2% chance of being hit; they feel pretty safe, overall. Others may say that they don't want to be anywhere near that room, let alone in it, no matter how many other people are there because there's a guy, with a gun, and he's shooting bullets! But for me, it's my room. I entertain the whole crowd here, and I never know which of them has the gun. Most of the time, the one with the gun doesn't know he has it, either. Do your own research. Then reflect on what you read. Be humane. Have empathy. Be compassionate.

I personally am surprised that two thirds of the ladies that have responded feel pressured. I am further surprised that only 18 have put up a response, not sure what to make of that. I would hope that those that feel pressured, that isn't directly from the gentlemen, but more so that they feel that they need it to be competitive. And that isn't just in this life, think about all the athletes that put drugs into their bodies to be competitive and they would do it again, knowing the risks, which can be much more severe than the risk of a BBBJ. A lot of athletes shorten their lives because of it, and in some sports, the physical brutality, especially football can have some long term brain damage effects. So, why are they doing it, it is because the rewards can be significant. Smokers on the other hand, can't figure that one out. Anyway, the point being there are risk taken in life, we need to be aware of them, and make a decision that is right based on balancing the risks and considering the outcomes of not taking those risks. In the end, you shouldn't feel pressured, you should feel you made an informed decision. If you don't feel comfortable because of the risks, then perhaps those risks outweigh the benefit, and therefore you should not offer the service. I sure hope it isn't happening (the pressure) during an encounter, but suspect it may at times. The only one that bothers me are the ones that tell you up front they offer it, and when you arrive they now tell you they don't, must have been some misunderstanding. That is not right, and this happens too.

I know you are posting this with humor but I feel bad for your old pet. The fact that he is going pee on your floors and if this is new sounds like he is losing control of his bladder and sorry to say the out of the blue walks around the house may be pacing a sign he may be losing some of his other senses . Also the fact that he growls when you try to boost him up on the bed or sofa may be a sign that there is pain when he is touched. You are lucky to have him for so long but try to be understanding, although constant and repeated behaviors can be annoying to you those things like peeing on the floor are embarrasing for your poor old dog. The have pride, try and be patient with him and treasure the moments you have left with him, sounds like hes been a good and constant companion.

Luxe nailed this on the head. I would much rather see a woman because she is that woman than see someone just for a list of menu items. My favourite providers, and in my mind, the BEST providers are the ones that you NEED to see because they have struck a chord with you... and for the briefest moments in time, you become lost in their world. The sex part? It's great... but if you eliminate a provider JUST because she doesn't offer one of your favourite services, you probably are missing out on 99% of what she is really offering... herself. I guess it is one of the great advantages of being older and having experienced a lot of things in my youth when sex was neither as complicated or dangerous as it is now. Sure, I'd like it if we could all be worry free in the bedroom... or on the couch or the kitchen table or in the backyard... but the new reality is that we can't. We need to feel safe in what we do. But here is the bonus. Knowing that safety is a prime consideration, you can now truly experience an encounter to the fullest, knowing that there will be no debate as to covered or uncovered. It's something that you can remove from your mind, allowing you to focus on the whole experience - and when you do that, you will see what you have been missing all along. You become more engaged in the seduction. You become far more aware of her sensuality. You will stand in awe at the way she moves. You become far more aware of the way your own body reacts. You can lead and be led.... and it all stems from the fact that you KNOW what is expected and when. Just some rambling thoughts...

I understand the confusion as both have risk. I feel that because of the increased sexual partners that an SP has, her risk increases exponentially. Myself as an example, my target is to see 1 client a day/5 days a week. Thats 260 encounters a year. Now most of my clients are repeats but I'm not naive enough to believe that I am the only provider they see so if 20 of them see a high volume provider each month (let's assume 100 clients/mth) once a month it increases my exposure to over 2000 people per month or 24 000 people per year. Those numbers are very scary to me. I can't calculate the odds of a client because it would vary for each man but if they actually thought about the number of people a provider is exposed to, I think it would have a sobering effect especially if they only see ladies who offer bbbj as in Ottawa those providers are much busier.. I also understand that some men have issues with condoms being used during oral but in 25 years I have never had anyone have an actual issue with it unless they have an ED issue. I can get a condom on a man without him even knowing it's there and have new clients stop me during FS to check if I've put it one on after coitus is underway. This has led me to believe that it's a mental block not a physical issue at hand. I've never been comfortable with unprotected anything but Canadian men are brutal when it comes to insisting on it. I offered it in '08 out of financial necessity but no longer put it on the menu. It just isn't worth it to me. Uncovered oral is something I do when I'm so connected with a partner that I have complete trust in them and in the relationship we have. I'm not a risk taker, I don't play the stock market, russian roulette or go to the casino. Playing the odds I've listed above just doesn't seem like a prudent move on either a business or personal level. This is suppose to fun and in my world, fun isn't accompanied by sleepless nights full of worry, a trip to the doctor or having to tell you significant other you have infected them with something that may impact their health... cat

@frenchbrute... As a female that always dated 10-20 years my senior I can say it has nothing to do with the bedroom techniques. It is the different perceptions, interests and outlook that attracts me. I love the wisdom that comes from someone who has already experience the phase of life I'm going thru, who can discuss with experience what I am living and perhaps offer insight that I would not see. That said, I have had a couple of amazing life experiences with peers and younger than myself as well, it just isn't the norm. For me it's about the connection I feel to someone more than their sexual talent or skill... cat

Luxe said it perfectly Peachy.... Unfortunately, not providing BBBJs does cause many clients nowadays to not want to even meet an SP from the jump...however, there are many more clients who will support this and prefer to see ladies who practice safer sex. The more educated people get the easier it will be to get back to a place where the luxury companionship offered and the safe pleasures provided as a whole are no longer reduced to whether a single act is performed or not. Its your comfort, health and safety that are the issue...financially, I hope the support for safer sex practices, will soon be on the rise...make no mistake...the clients are there and they are the ones you want in the end.

I... don't even know where to start with this one.

I realize that women have a much stronger position to make this happen but I know exactly how you feel! I have a guest who came to see me a couple of times and the visits were wonderful. Great couch time, amazing foreplay and spectacular finishes but I genuinely wanted to skip the couch time with him. Our playtime was too short and I always wanted more when he left. So one night when I opened the door, I just inhaled him right there. Clothes flew and we barely made it to the playroom. Since then, we no longer have couch time, our chemistry is so intense that it isn't necessary for either of us. Lead your lady to it, get her in the mood by teasing. Take your time for a couple of visits and seduce her, it worked with me... cat

I say go for it - as long as you're not being forceful, your partner can let you know if that type of advance isn't welcomed. But I think it's fairly easy to see the signs...when giving her a passionate kiss, put your hand on the back of her head, and pull her hair a little...I know I've had moments like these, and when my partner has pulled my head back like this, he can see that naughty sparkle in my eyes which means... GO ON. Take me, hard. It's not always the right moment...but when it is, who DOESN'T like a good, hard, fuck? You can also just walk in and say it - "You're gorgeous, and I want to jump on you like an animal and fuck". See what she says :D (Hahaha I'm turning myself on here, can you tell I've been off all weekend?!)

Good point. The question is whether a BBBJ is as dangerous as BBFS. The simple answer is "probably not." But like many simple answers, that is actually misleading. A better question is, For whom is a BBBJ dangerous? The answer is it's most dangerous for the receptive partner--for the person who is performing the act. Have a look at this Sexually Transmitted Infection Risk Chart. The person who receives oral sex is less likely to contract an STI than the one who performs it. The performer is at higher risk of being infected with HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis than the one who receives it. The chart doesn't include other infections that are transmissible during oral sex like herpes, human pampilloma virus (HPV) and some forms of hepatitis. These are also serious diseases, but unlike HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis, there are no laws requiring medical practitioners to report the infections. In simple language, if I perform a BBBJ on a man, the risk is greater for me than it is for him. If he has one of these STIs, I may be infected. If I have one of them, he has a lower risk of getting it from me. We might ask why there's a difference. Basically, many of us have tiny lesions in our mouths, caused by tooth brushing, flossing, reactions to foods or medications and minor injuries. Those lesions are an excellent entry-point for infection. Add to this the potential for minor injury caused by vigorous thrusting or an awkward angle. I've been part of a discussion with other ladies here about accommodating larger penises orally, about having sore throats or feeling that our lips and mouths have been uncomfortably stretched after performing oral sex. To sum it up, BBBJs are risky for paid companions and other people who provide them. The risk for clients and those who receive them is lower. This is misleading, MP. If the condom breaks or comes off, you're not coming into contact with all of my clients and everyone's various partners, but only with those people with whom I have engaged in unprotected sexual activities. Everyone else has been "contained." However, condoms don't protect anyone against everything! For example, syphilis, herpes and HPV are spread via skin-to-skin contact as well as by penetrative sexual activities. Herpes usually produces sores, but can also be shed when no sores are present. In its second stage, syphilis produces a rash on the hands, the soles of the feet or all over the body. Contact with this rash is an infection risk. HPV (genital warts and in its other forms) may or may not produce any sores but can still be contagious. Many STIs are treatable with antibiotics. The difficulty is that many of them produce no symptoms, so infected people don't know that they're infected. We've had a classified syphilis epidemic in Vancouver since the mid-1990s and the form of syphilis here has not produced symptoms in most people. HIV/AIDS is not treatable with antibiotics, but there are anti-retroviral drugs that seem to be effective in managing the illness for many people. Unfortunately, not everyone can tolerate these medications. Also, there's evidence that HIV/AIDS affects women differently than men in many cases. Last summer, the prevalence of an antibiotic-resistant form of gonorrhea was announced. Only one drug was effective against this strain. By December, no antibiotics were effective in treating patients who were diagnosed in Toronto, as reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association in January. Why do paid companions continue to provide BBBJs? Cat said, This is extremely important and should not be dismissed lightly or out of hand! Many companions are not aware of the risks of infection. Many who are accept the reality of statistical risk and choose to be zealous about being tested very frequently. They offer the activity because they need to make a living, pure and simple, and there are an enormous number of men who insist on receiving it. I don't offer BBBJs, but I do allow DATY. Many of my clients find oral sex to be less than satisfying because they have erectile or ejaculatory problems. But if I refused to permit DATY, or if I insisted on using barriers, such as dental dams, I would need to find another line of work. To be brutally honest, I'm a paid companion because nothing else I do can support my family above the poverty line. I would be thrilled if there was no pressure to provide BBBJs. I think that the gentlemen on this board could do a great deal about this, though much as I care for most here, I am under no illusions that it will happen. Stop asking for BBBJs and start telling other men of the risks associated with them. Help reduce the demand! Classify bareback contact as "husband and wife sex" and not part of the "girlfriend experience." The last thing I want to point out is that most men are never tested for STIs! Unless you are being tested every 3-6 months, it's my respectful opinion that you have little right to talk about sexual health risks or to give advice to anyone about the level of risk they should tolerate. Everyone who has any kind of sexual contact with another human being should be tested regularly. If you don't want to ask your doctor to do the tests, there are clinics near you where you can be tested. Go!

Peachy, I you want to be a safe gfe go ahead. I've been in the industry for a few years, have NEVER done a bbbj, and do more than fine. Yes i've had some backlash against it, even been pressured during appointments. I've received verbal abuse and the like, for not providing it. So i'm not going to lie to you and tell you its all peaches an cream being a safe gfe, some people feel entitled to certain services from sp's, we should just do what they want because they are the customer and they want it, so you should give it to them. However,all hope is not lost. On restructuring my business, i found something interesting.As I prefer to meet with clients who want to spend time with ME, not so much as the services i provide, i found that clients who want to connect on a a deeper level aren't too concerned with menu so much as experience and what kind of connection you can provide. In my case i like to provide a whole enriching meal instead of just one main appetizer, and i enjoy the company of gents who appreciate this about me. There are many gents out there who subscribe to the same school of thought. Your health is the most important thing, and I'm tired of hearing the same song by sp's saying they want to provide all safe services but can't for loss of business. Yes you will lose business, but you will gain a different client base who appreciate a lady who cares enough about both parties health enough to protect herself. Your clients that genuinely care for you and your well being will stick by you. They others, well.......

As an sp and as someone who has never personally met you may I say I am also thankful to be able to correspond with funny, thoughtful, appreciative men such as yourself. With all you are going through- how nice of you to take the time to thank us-the ladies of cerb-so let me represent the ladies and throw an even bigger thanks right back at you and a bunch of hugs too!

As I'm reading this thread in my hotel room down south away of vacation. This topic comes up just about every year (BBBJ) I would like to think, firstly and most importantly that everyone gets themselves tested regularly without fail if you participate regularly in the hobby. Secondly it is the 'control' of the service provider of what she is 'providing' not ever to be forced into providing a service because of what? supply and demand ? Everyone has their choices in this lifestyle, and no one should ever pressured into doing something they do not want to do. When I contact a provider the only question I ever ask, if she allows DFK never the topic of CBJ or BBBJ, as I get older I look for the sensuality,erotic play,the GFE experience the hugging,chatting the love making, as I say most times "I'm not about wham bam thank-you mam" For me it is the "COMPANIONSHIP" regardless if it is a BBBJ or CBJ

Drive me nuts? I don't even know where to begin. The dog: - Gets in our bed and licks her privates leaving huge wet spots. - Is completely immovable. Plunks herself down wherever you want to be and all you can do is slide her around with your foot. - Did I mention immovable? Gets in bed with you and progressively inches her way into wherever you are until you only have a tiny spot left. - Eats poop. I've given up on trying to stop her since it's mostly harmless but when her belly is bad and she comes back inside to throw up afterwards...you've not lived until you've cleaned up poop-barf. - Oh yes, immovable. If you're in a recliner, her favorite spot is under the footrest so you can't put it down. The cat: - Only drinks from the tap. This leads to her scratching the tub spout in the middle of the night to wake us up if we forget to close the bathroom door. - Excessively talkative. Constantly needs to tell you all about her day. - Needs to be fed even if she already has food. "Five in the morning? I better rub my whiskers in masters face just to make sure he doesn't forget to get up and feed me." - Trained assassin. Her preferred method is to make it look like an accident by tripping people going down stairs. - Cannot be behind a door. This means no more pooping or sex with a door closed since she requires entrance and will scratch the door or 'boing' the door stop until you let her in. Anyway, I love the critters but sometimes....Anyone want to adopt some pets? Slightly used, still got plenty of miles on them.

I think Luximulvari said it perfectly. The quality of time spent is just as important as the services offered. As a senior citizen who needs some encouragement in the sexual department also has respect for the partner at home. I rely on the SP to make this a safe and comfortable experience. Silverhorns

I blacklist clients who ask for this, as to me, it signals not only a disrespect for my health, but their own and potential partners as well.

One of the best parts about getting older in the hobby is that you can finally realize one great truth. Your penis is NOT the only thing that has an orgasm. True, it is the one part of the body that can give "evidence" of a successful encounter, but in reality the process of aging opens the door to the "mind-gasm." It's that little shiver you get when you see her at the door. It's that breathless moment when she places that first soft kiss on your lips. It's the moment of exultation when she guides your hand to the swell of her breast, the curve of her bottom... It's the childlike moment of expectation when she begins to remove her clothes... and yours. It's a myriad of moments, involuntary body reactions and snippets of frozen time that you have captured in your mind throughout each and every second of her time with you. When you are younger, most of that is just a blur - a preamble to the physical orgasm. The moment you savour most is when you have reached the state of physical euphoria... that briefest period when your body aches to release. But now, I remember. I remember when she walked through the door. I remember that kiss. I remember that caress. I remember the flush on her cheeks and the quickening of my heart. I remember her every move and each of those memories transports me back to that time. Getting older is not so bad. Not so bad, at all.

I don't know if a Sp client review section is offered on this site, but I was thinking it might be a good thing to have. It would be similar to having client's give reviews of Sp's except it would be reversed with the Sp's writing about the clients instead! I know there is supposed to be a section on this site where Sp's can go to see if a client is a bad experience, but if there was a section where Sp's could go and see good reviews of clients too it would give them an idea of what to expect. All the Sp would need would be the clients CERB handle. If a Sp wrote a favourable review about their time with a client she could also PM him so that he knows too. Just a thought

Why is it that some people pick up their dog poop in a plastic bag but leave it on the street? why bother?

I'll try to play devil's advocate a little bit here .... provide some further food for thought (hopefully) and re-enforce some of the posts that were made. While in principle the idea of having a "good client list" COULD sound like a good idea (ease of access for the ladies on whom the good guys are), there could be potential ... questions or issues. As a client, i do write recommendations (not reviews) ... and I certainly do not "rate" the ladies i have seen and i would certainly not like to be "rated" or "reviewed" either, as a client. Every encounter is unique in the moment it happens. Whilst i have written recommendations, i strive to be discrete about the encounter and i expect the same in return. When and if references are required, these remain in a private communication from someone i'd trust to provide it, as i do not want details of the time i spend with ladies unduly circulated in any public way. Recommendations we provide can certainly help the ladies business, and help in guiding others in finding what they are looking for, i'm all for that. But as a counterpoint, would me being "recommended" - and i make the distinction here from references- as a client in some way, shape or form on a forum create an expectation if i ever want to meet someone i hadn't seen before? If any positive is being said in a private area, what would be said? (i.e. the reco threads we do as clients being public). Anywho, while we all try to make this a safe place for everyone involved, especially for the ladies, regardless of their business model or affiliation in the business, i hope i've conveyed some of my thoughts properly ....

Every morning, as soon as I give the smallest shift to indicate I may be awake, my little Cleo Catra jumps on my chest and begins to meow, loudly, and won't give up until I get out of bed and feed her some wet food. Demanding kitty! When friends sleep over they complain that she should come with a mute button, lol

Actually, I can't agree with that at all. If it's a choice between CBJ and an HJ, then I'll choose the HJ. I can't feel anything through a raincoat, but that's also why I prefer massage over escort.

well, as I get within 5 months and 4 days of my 60th birthday, I am certainly glad of two things most of me still works fine ... yes, more things ache more than they used to, but all in all, I have been lucky on the health front and, it is nice that the women who have responded to this thread appreciate (or at least tolerate) us older gentlemen cheers

... and that is why we encourage everyone to post. You never know what will inspire you, or how you will inspire others to write. I took a look at the threads the other day. In the General Discussion area there are over 1600 separate threads... 1600!!! In the Ottawa Discussion there are over 600 threads. That's 2200 plus threads of inspired comments by members of this site.... and that is just the tip of the iceberg. As MOD has stated, it's fantastic seeing and hearing from members that have merely lurked in the past. We have an AMAZING community and it can only get better by involving everyone. Not every topic will appeal to everybody BUT I guarantee that if you take the time to read, everybody will find something that will resonate with something inside each of us. I am still a relative newbie compared to some of the pioneers on this site.... but in three short years I have made some of the most amazing friends from the board and I have to admit that it wouldn't have happened without engaging in the conversations. Some of the stuff is provocative, some hilarious, some very sexy and some will bring tears to your eyes. There is something for everyone here... and all it takes to become a part of the greater community rests at the tips of your fingers. So... thank you ConstructionGuy6957.... and all of the rest of you that have chosen to end your silence. The best is yet to come.

Hello Gentlemen, My name is Talia, and I am a new massage provider in Ottawa working out of an upscale spa in the west end. I love creating an intimate and relaxed atmosphere where you can let go and fully enjoy yourself. I feel best when you leave satisfied! Age: 23 Height/weight: 5'7"/110lbs Measurements: 34A-26-36 Body type: Thin but curvy Hair: Black and purple Shoe size: 7 I love doing sensual erotic massages, showing off my gorgeous body while you relax under my touch. If you have a love for feet, I would love to indulge you! If you're looking to take it to the next level, I am always up for doing duo massages. Who wouldn't love being spoiled by two beautiful women! I am taking advance bookings for the upcoming week: Mon: 3:30pm-9pm Tues: 3:30pm-9pm Wed: 9am-4pm You can contact me directly by texting me (NO CALLS) at 613-809-8984 or sending me a private message, or you can book through the spa at 613-820-8887! Looking forward to hearing from you! xo Talia

I think this whole issue is a matter of one's health. A lot of folks believe that BBBJ's are fairly safe and that is not necessarily true, the same with DATY. If a SP sees several clients each month and provides BBBJ for each of them it will be only a matter of time before she will catch something and may not even know she has and will pass something on. This is indeed a controversial topic and probably always will be, but the bottom line is we don't live in a STD free world and really no one knows who has been with whom, or where they have travelled on this planet, etc. I strongly feel that SP's shouldn't feel pressured to provide the service as they are lovely ladies who should be treated with love, respect and kindness and most of all safety! My two cents.

Great thread and poll When I offered GFE,yes I did feel preasure to offer BBBJ. I was always on the fence with it. However I DID NOT put it in my ads as I did not want every person to think that they were entitled to that. The client that has been with me for long time,usually I would offer it,but not the fly by night client that I know nothing about I did not offer. Even then my long term client could be decieving me and I still would not know it. It is not an issue for me now as I am MA....but if I were GFE still, I think at this point, you would need to be a very very very special client for me too offer this. HFX has a huge problem right now with cyphilas, and it remindes me that the extra 50 is not worth me getting sick or passing it to my lovely hubby:(

I have built my business on the "slow down and savour" model. I realized when I returned to Canada that in my career, my favorite times and most memorable moments were those that I spent "time" with a guest. I remember those special men that took the time to get to know me and allow me to know them as people, not just a romp. Today I dedicate my energy to those men that know they want more than just a play partner, they want a NSA relationship that is beneficial to both of us on more than just a physical/financial level. They need to want the connection that comes from knowing and genuinely liking someone. I want to look forward to my guests, to count down the sleeps till I see them and savour the experience from the moment they walk thru the door until they depart with kisses and and our next visit is scheduled. I refuse to waste a minute with someone I can't connect with even tho this is my work. I don't want to be rushed or feel like I'm counting the minutes till he leaves. Life is too short to be taken for granted and our time is too precious to waste. So ciego5757, yes you can take your time. You just need to choose partners that see the world the same way... cat

Why is it almost all brand name foods taste better in house than when made at home?

This post is simply my attempt to reach out to say a great big THANK YOU to all the gorgeous Ladies on CERB. Regardless of being a M/P, S/P, Exotic Dancer, or " other " Today, as I was driving, I was thinking of the many ladies I have had the opporunity to meet in the past and look forward to meeting in the future. As a hobbyist, sometimes its easy to forget the challenges life brings to each of the ladies who provide the above noted services and that you are not immune to what life can throw at us. School, kids, family, sickness, cash flow, etc....what ever it is.........Elements of life we all have which we must deal with and are not immune. And sometimes, as a hobbyist, its easy to forget, you also have life elements outside of the Adult Entertainment industry which is filled with these daily life issues which are unique to each of us in some shape or form. Ladies, my hat off to you. You provide a valuable service and regardess of what ever is going on in your personal lives, you continue to smile and based upon my own experience continue to offer 110% to help each of your clients forget ( even for a brief moment ) about their own life troubles and bring a smile to your clients faces. Some of you are 24/7 others on a part time basis. You continue to bring smiles to your clients faces. Sometimes, clients tend to be selfish, myself included, and just for the record, I prefer not to be this kind of client. And to any who I have come across as being selfish, I sincerly apologise. The industry you are in, regardless if it is by personal choice or by chance, it is not an easy business to be in, and it can be a tough racket filled with its own business related drama issues. And sometimes as hobbyists we forget this. I wont forget. And if I do, please kick me in the ass as a simple reminder - lol Each of you must wear a different " hat " each time you meet with a client regardless if they are first timers or a regular, and then at the end of the day you change hats again to go home only to face your own personal challenges So, anyway, although I may not be saying this in the right way, or expressing myself in a way I would like to, I just simply wanted to take a minute to reach out to EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE ADULT SERVICE COMMUNITY AND TO SAY A GREAT BIG THANK YOU - Each of you are unique in your own way and thank you for what you bring to the table and to my life each time we happen to meet as I am not to old ( or stubborn ) to learn or listen to good conversation and advice. AFT MOPO

Personally it not a deal breaker for me. If the lady offers it great - if not not a big deal. But all this talk about BBBJ makes me horny and want a nice sloppy BBBJ now. --wink--

One comment that's surprised me in this thread is the assertion from some providers that this is a recent trend that they've been feeling pressured into providing. I've been in this hobby a while, and I gotta say that it's by no means a recent trend. I've had BBBJ as far back as the early 90's, and I'm sure it was nothing new even back then. Also it was always provided without any request from me, and for no extra money: providers would just provide it when they feel comfortable with you. I think what may actually be a new trend is making this a monetized extra service. Maybe if providers decided that it's too risky and that instead of providing this service, they just reduced the cost of the service instead. That way guys can look at the services and costs involved and weigh the cost/benefit in their heads. When I look at the prices of many SP's, they are almost all the same prices, equally high, but you can't tell the level of service they provide, which might piss off customers if they expect something and don't get it. Maybe if the prices were lower on some forms of service, people would still want to go see those providers, knowing that they won't get a certain service, but that they'll also pay less because of it? I know everybody wants to be considered a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, but sometimes just being a Mercedes or a BMW is good enough?

Much like whiteman, I'd rather have a hand job than cbj. I have a hard enough time cumming and there is no chance of the happening with a raincoat on the caber, so I'd pick a hand job over cbj any day!

I like to keep it simple...Sailor Jerry's...with a splash of coke...

I'm more for the time spent with the lady not whether she offers bbbj or cbj. I actually respect a provider more for being safe it means she takes her safety seriously and that of her clients.

It would be nice if you could both thank and leave a comment yet have it only count as one action, just as if you do one or the other counting as one. Sometimes you want to say thanks and have a short comment versus a full fledged response (I say this just NOW having discovered how the comment feature works). No idea the complication involved in doing this but it would be nice.

Almost... the day SweetShay is in Ottawa almost became a holiday except we can never quite plan for this wonderful event. I've heard of no other lady that commands quite the same following from a city not of her own. She's absolutely gorgeous, a total tease and fun to be with. I've seen her every time she's been down for the past year or so and I intend to keep doing so. Last time I saw her we had a couple drinks before heading back to her incall, she's a total flirt and fantastic. I agree with pretty much everything every other recommendation has said - saves me a great deal of writing. Hey gorgeous? Don't make us wait so long to see you. We should probably organize CERB tours to Toronto to see the treasure often denied to us. Can't wait to see her again.

Vitto is quite right. As a newbie it may seem intimidating to post. But as long as your posts are positive and respectful your opinion is welcome. And CERB is a judgement free zone. So to you lurkers, join the community and share your opinions...they are welcome here :-) RG

Another hilarious, creative post by the Dog. If I may give a females perspective of the subject-since we all wear clothes now we no longer need the protection of the hair. But what is esthetically pleasing seems to somewhat follow fashion and the ever disappering isty bisty teeny weeny bikini. The smaller the swimsuit or g string and other unmentionables the more we groom so the hair isn't visible and lets face it's just more hygienic. Who wants to go down on someone with a big mound of hair there, well some I'm sure some don't mind but I would suspect with the majority of women going bare or nearly there the popular consensus would be less is better. I feel bad for the bush lovers , however I'm sure there are some women that prefer au natural as well.

I find the time stamps interesting too. At 12:03 you did not know her and wanted to know if there was a happy ending and then at 1:39 you were giving her a review? Lets assume your appointment was at 12:30, and usually most massage appointments are at usually 1 hour, you were back on your computer 9 minutes later giving a thumbs up to someone who in the past has been shown as a bait and switch. We take that seriously here. No cerb member wants to fall for that and get very interested when it looks like another shiller on the loose. My 2 cents

If you're looking for that sort of thing, Emily J posted a 'client reco' on her blog right here. It's a description of meeting a client who was seeing an escort for the first time. Good read. You might also enjoy reading her reco of Il Re.

Easter is March 31st.... the premier of Game of Thrones Season three..... forget chocolate and bunnies... "Winter is Coming" Anyone with pay TV and who LOVES great series television - this HBO series is AWESOME!

I actually want to add a BIG thank you to all the members who have started posting quality posts. In the last 24 hours I have seen 10 times more moderated (new member) posts and a lot of good quality comments coming in! So to all those who are sharing and contributing thank you. I know I am venting a little as it upset me with the people complaining. I felt I missed the most important part of this and that was to thank all the people who needed the push to post and have started to join in the conversations and community. Welcome.

Sometimes slower is better. And this hobby is all about time spent with nice and sexy ladies. But time is money. In my own experience, I prefer longer appointments fewer times, than short appointments where I don't benefit enough of the presence and intimacy of my preferred SP. But that is a personal choice. But I understand quite well that with age we do not perform as well as we did younger, and our acrobatic performances have to be replaced by our more subtle talent of seduction and fantasy. At least, pleasure is an eternal gift.

Moncton seems to be a happening place for SP but lots of bait and switch going on! SmartSexy, I met Annabelle when she advertised under angel, she advertises under 3 or 4 names and different pictures. I will NEVER see her again!!! I did see Roxanne, she is real and she is very attractive and she does offer a good service. I don't know why she did not post her pics on her page. She said she is just starting in this profession, I do believe she is new to this just the way the session went. I will see her again. There are a few good ladies in Moncton that adertises on BP but when it sound too good to be true... it usually is!!! I do not want to go on and list all the best experience i have had in Moncton but there are a few good ladies.

:bddog:Sorry this came out like a rant I didn't mean it as any kind of attack or any thing just good info...... ATH As I said when all else fails...... There are some of us through circumstances that we have no control over are left with out the ability to get an erection any other way...... and yes you can have "sex" with out an erection ..... and yes you can have an O with out an erection ... yes the Warden, and the GF, and the SP will all tell you "it is ok" & "it don't matter to them" etc etc ..... But after about 3 to 6 months of trying find a position to get a softy in or to get a CBJ on a softy u would try just about anything to get a hard on ..... I was about ready to sell my soul to the devil when the DR mentioned the needle. I remember that first erection after 6 months of frustration I was in the city with out a possible anointment and no place to go LOL I played with it my self for 4 hours just like the Teenager I felt like.... had a shit eating grin a mile wide. It is hard to believe that was 2 years ago ... I cant remember every erection I have had sence then but I do remember every frustrating night of that 6 months! As far as HIV goes there is no more risk of that than a Diabetic taking Insulin in fact it is the same needle that is used ... you use your own new needle for each injection take the same safety precautions as any other needle ... I wonder how many men have just given up sex because they couldn't get it up for one or two of many reasons .... this option isn't for every one but as for me at 58 I am way way to young to just give it up.... If any one is in perfect health and doesn't need any help from modern meds than my friend you are truly blessed enjoy it as long as you can. I don't know how long I will be able to use this stuff but so far the minor side effects have been well worth it :) If one is faced with just giving up talk to a Urologist! there are options Loki318