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Ohferfucksake. This is the Internet. There are people here. They have opinions. And if you start a conversation, they'll join in. That's not a CERB thing; it's a human thing. If you start a thread here (or in any other interactive forum), expect replies... and when you get them, quit bitching about it. Disagree, debate and argue to your heart's content... but don't complain that the interaction happens. Seriously, if you just want to put out your opinion without hearing from anyone else, start your own blog and disable comments. And don't come whining to me when you have zero pageviews.

I read a latest article regarding the Bedford events this week but that's not what started me thinking, it was a comment made afterwards. His argument was that if everything becomes legal surrounding prostitution then it becomes a legitimate profession which means it will then need to be brought up in schools and via guidance/career counselors as a legitimate and viable option. Of course he went on to say do we really want to give this options to our children or have it discussed in schools and no, we do not. My thought is WHY NOT? The only stigma surrounding it is what people place on it. If there were a sudden shift in perception of course it would be legitimate. I'm sure there are people out there who have the right attitude and skills and interests that this might be a career choice for them. Porn was always a career choice and yes, people wanted to get into porn, still do. It's funny that there is less of a stigma there than with prostitution. My point is, this SHOULD be an option for those who want it. Just because others don't doesn't mean it shouldn't be on the table. Everyone focuses on sex (which already causes people to become hinky) but there's so much more to it. This is a profession of HEALTHCARE and MENTALCARE and even those in it for the money or for the notches on their belt, get the benefits whether they are focused on them or not. Whose to say that decriminalizing prostitution won't have positive impacts in other industries. Sex Surrogates or Sexual Psychologists who could never touch only talk, might now be able to show and make greater strides with those suffering. Pleasure might make it into nursing homes and elder care where even the aged deserve to feel good. HEALTHCARE and MENTALCARE!! Think about it. Yes, it's sex but sex just doesn't make us "feel" good, it makes us feel GREAT and studies on the positive impacts of sex prove this. There is so much more at play here then just incalls, living off the avails etc. This is about bring the benefits of sex out of the shadows and from behind closed doors and giving it to the people. Letting them decide what's good and right for them. So, hells yea! Offer it as a legitimate profession and all the other professions that could benefit from it as well even if indirectly!

Trust me when I tell you, if I decide I want a piece of you before I say hello, it will seem anything but cheap and you will have an paradigm shift in what you think is or is not your thing ;) ... cat

Disagreement does not equal attacks. As Eric points out, there has been better information provided by others that wasn't present in your post. Just because we disagree, does not mean anyone is being negative, or attacking. Unfortunately saying 'no debate' on something you post on the internet is a moot point. It's here for us to read, and respond to - if you don't want to hear other's opinions, then I would suggest to keep yours to yourself as well. That is NOT an attack - I'm simply saying, if you don't want to hear us, then I don't want to hear you. That is NOT an ideal situation - what the ideal is, you are here and are free to present your ideas and opinions, and we are too. NO ONE should have the right to say "I can speak, but you cannot'. That is not a world I want to live in. Please continue to contribute, and please don't try to tell others they can't. We're all a part of this, and everyone should be able to speak. Also: no one person knows everything. We're here to learn from each other, and presenting facts that show something you posted is wrong does not mean someone is attacking you, rather that they're trying to educate you. I am always open to learning more - if I thought I knew everything there was to know now, I'd be pretty damned sad.

I agree with Cleo (and with everything that Berlin has so helpfully posted, above). The laws have always been about sex workers and will always be about us. Laws around the world aim to "protect" the public from us: we're considered to be drug addicts and criminals likely to commit theft and extortion while also being one of main sources of infectious diseases. We're also considered to be appropriate targets for aggression and violence because too many people believe that this is part of doing business and, in any case, they think it's not really possible to rape a prostitute. This week, I've heard and read commentary from people who say they're in favour of decriminalizing prostitution because it's one way to lower the incidence of violence against women who are not prostitutes I'm becoming very irritable when I see anything that attempts to pit the interests of sex workers against the interests of our clientele, as though we are opponents or even enemies. It's not true. Sure, men sometimes complain about prices, particularly when they want to see someone whose time and company they can't afford at the moment. Sometimes children throw tantrums in late November because Santa Claus doesn't appear until Christmas, too. Occasionally someone has such unrealistic fantasies about what a rendez-vous could be like that it's impossible for it to be a success in any way. In the great majority of instances, however, there is no fundamental conflict between companions and clients. We want the same things: to have a mutually enjoyable time together that's safe for both parties at the agreed rate of exchange. No aspersions cast against either party about their reasons for doing what they're doing. No drama. No nonsense of any kind. Just good fun for everyone, with no strings attached. That's why there are no sex workers or workers' groups advocating the criminalization of our clients. Decriminalization is all about the safety and well-being of sex workers. Period. The safer we are, the better things will be for our clients, because no matter what, we are always the ones who are most at risk of harm. Always.

Hey you, this is a great question! There are lots of things you could talk about that aren't just about menial every day things... - What are your dreams, goals - What have you always wanted to do/try/see but haven't had the chance to yet and why - Do you have any pets? Does she? Talk about them! - Have you travelled? Where? For how long? Where has she been? Did she like it? Etc - You like to eat, right? I bet she likes to eat, too. Where are your favorite food places? Meals? Desserts? Foods to use during sex? After sex? Before sex? - Look around the room... notice unusual/interesting personal items or art and ask about them - Comment on what she is wearing; where did she get it? Why did she pick it? Tell her she looks amazing in it and why! Be detailed. All women loved to be noticed for something other than the obvious. - Is she wearing jewelry? Ask her details about it! - Do you have any tattoos? Does she? Talk about them - people loooove talking about their tattoos. My best advice would be to read or lookup some e/books about conversation and small talk. It just takes practice and creativity to think up questions or comments about your immediate environment or company. You could always just flat out tell her that you aren't great at making conversation and let her steer your dialogue. There's nothing wrong with a bit of sexy silence, too! Also, you may want to kind of create cliff-hanger conversations via PM here on CERB first, so that way you can pick up the conversation or reference it while you are talking. Bring up or talk about a wide variety of topics and you can grab at them later on while you are in person. Hope this helps sweety :)

This site is not just for us "boys". Chill out. It's one of thousands of threads. If you don't like it. I've got the solution. Don't look at it.

Speaking of suspenders... Super sexy.

Plato: For the greater good. Karl Marx: It was a historical inevitability. Machiavelli: So that its subjects will view it with admiration, as a chicken which has the daring and courage to boldly cross the road, but also with fear, for whom among them has the strength to contend with such a paragon of avian virtue? In such a manner is the princely chicken's dominion maintained. Hippocrates: Because of an excess of light pink gooey stuff in its pancreas. Jacques Derrida: Any number of contending discourses may be discovered within the act of the chicken crossing the road, and each interpretation is equally valid as the authorial intent can never be discerned, because structuralism is DEAD, DAMMIT, DEAD! Thomas de Torquemada: Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I'll find out. Timothy Leary: Because that's the only kind of trip the Establishment would let it take. Douglas Adams: Forty-two. Nietzsche: Because if you gaze too long across the Road, the Road gazes also across you. Oliver North: National Security was at stake. B.F. Skinner: Because the external influences which had pervaded its sensorium from birth had caused it to develop in such a fashion that it would tend to cross roads, even while believing these actions to be of its own free will. Carl Jung: The confluence of events in the cultural gestalt necessitated that individual chickens cross roads at this historical juncture, and therefore synchronicitously brought such occurrences into being. Jean-Paul Sartre: In order to act in good faith and be true to itself, the chicken found it necessary to cross the road. Ludwig Wittgenstein: The possibility of "crossing" was encoded into the objects "chicken" and "road", and circumstances came into being which caused the actualization of this potential occurrence. Albert Einstein: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. Aristotle: To actualize its potential. Buddha: If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken- nature. Howard Cosell: It may very well have been one of the most astonishing events to grace the annals of history. An historic, unprecedented avian biped with the temerity to attempt such an herculean achievement formerly relegated to homo sapien pedestrians is truly a remarkable occurence. Salvador Dali: The Fish. Darwin: It was the logical next step after coming down from the trees. Emily Dickinson: Because it could not stop for death. Epicurus: For fun. Ralph Waldo Emerson: It didn't cross the road; it transcended it. Johann von Goethe: The eternal hen-principle made it do it. Ernest Hemingway: To die. In the rain. Werner Heisenberg: We are not sure which side of the road the chicken was on, but it was moving very fast. David Hume: Out of custom and habit. Jack Nicholson: 'Cause it (censored) wanted to. That's the (censored) reason. Pyrrho the Skeptic: What road? Ronald Reagan: I forget. John Sununu: The Air Force was only too happy to provide the transportation, so quite understandably the chicken availed himself of the opportunity. The Sphinx: You tell me. Mr. T: If you saw me coming you'd cross the road too! Henry David Thoreau: To live deliberately ... and suck all the marrow out of life. Mark Twain: The news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated. Molly Yard: It was a hen! Zeno of Elea: To prove it could never reach the other side. Chaucer: So priketh hem nature in hir corages. Wordsworth: To wander lonely as a cloud. The Godfather: I didn't want its mother to see it like that. Keats: Philosophy will clip a chicken's wings. Blake: To see heaven in a wild fowl. Othello: Jealousy. Dr Johnson: Sir, had you known the Chicken for as long as I have, you would not so readily enquire, but feel rather the Need to resist such a public Display of your own lamentable and incorrigible Ignorance. Mrs Thatcher: This chicken's not for turning. Supreme Soviet: There has never been a chicken in this photograph. Oscar Wilde: Why, indeed? One's social engagements whilst in town ought never expose one to such barbarous inconvenience - although, perhaps, if one must cross a road, one may do far worse than to cross it as the chicken in question. Kafka: Hardly the most urgent enquiry to make of a low-grade insurance clerk who woke up that morning as a hen. Swift: It is, of course, inevitable that such a loathsome, filth-ridden and degraded creature as Man should assume to question the actions of one in all respects his superior. Macbeth: To have turned back were as tedious as to go o'er. Whitehead: Clearly, having fallen victim to the fallacy of misplaced concreteness. Freud: An die andere Seite zu kommen. (Much laughter) Hamlet: That is not the question. Donne: It crosseth for thee. Pope: It was mimicking my Lord Hervey. Constable: To get a better view.

Girls with Tattoos Redheads Awesome Abs (on Girls) Fripple Random Hot girl pictures Ass Stockings Bikinis Okay, there are tons more, but you get the point. Let the ladies have one thread

It would be arrogant and disrespectful not to consider the feelings of the road in this poll. I mean, sure the debate is MAINLY about chickens but we can't disregard the residual wear and tear of the road by chickens crossing willy nilly to fulfill whatever purpose (sexual or otherwise) they wish. Sure, you could consider the road only incidental to the equation, but these chicken encounters... wait no, we don't have chicken encounters, we have chicken dates.... not really a date.... ummmm.... these resplendent chicken visits (which because they are happening on the road's home turf are the only legal way at present that a chicken/road crossing may occur)... ummmm... lost my train of thought.... oh yeah.... the road MUST be considered when all discussions of the legalization of chicken crossings are ummmmm... discussed. Should we discuss the Albanian model of chicken road crossing or the Senegalese model? The Peruvian model considers the road as the villain, and never considers that a chicken should have the ability to cross roads at their own location or should have a driver or a bodyguard that could ensure their safety.... damn Peruvians.... Should we legalize chicken road crossings or just decriminalize? What about if a chicken is technically only a chick? What about chickens that just strut by the side of the road??? What about chickens that only go part way across the road... are they full service chickens or just chickens that offer full crossings to just SOME roads? What about unfortunate chickens that cross all roads just to get food??? Are they represented in this poll???? Do farmers have some responsibility in this debate??? I mean, they let their chickens strut about like little feathered tarts..... Ohhhh... this is complicated. You should see the pics of the chicks that I have let cross my road. I have a gallery, you know.... wait.... strike that..... ummmm......

That's exactly why the title of this thread reads FOR THE LADIES. Lots of threads on this site are not "for everyone", if you don't like what you see, MOVE ON. No need to tell us why you guys are here, perhaps you'd like to know why us ladies are here? Some of us are kind of horn dogs, deal with it! :P And for the record, some guys are here for "dudes" too! Don't judge! ;) Now to get back on track:

Now now Lee you can never post a thread and request that no one comment! That's just an invitation! Lol. In my opinion, she crossed the road because there was a shoe sale.

For you: If you search for Daniel Craig under google images, google will helpfully suggest "Daniel Craig body?" hehehe

I always wanted to do a poll. I really just want to know Cerbies opinions on this question. It would be best for nobody to comment as I absolutely don't want this to turn into an argument or a hen fight or a chicken fight or a cock fight !! Just curious :)

I like RG because in all my days on Cerb .... he is one of the most genuine, considerate, kind hearted, helpful fella's day in and day out around here. A great sense of dry humor and likes great tunes so that works big time for me too. He has had a year of trials and tribulations and tough times and particularly right now and has shown that he is such a resilient man. Now get a boat and lets go fishin on one of my Ontario trips RG !

You guys are killing me! LMAO!!!

Suspenders are fucking sexy :)

Oh you're back. From your earlier post I had understood that you were taking your ball and going home. Disagreeing with you is neither aggressive, arrogant nor offensive and your saying so doesn't make it true. Any more than you calling me a goody boy proves that I'm supporting the ladies simply because they're ladies. I have my own opinions, my own mind and I evaluate information on it's own merit regardless of its origin. Besides, it wasn't only ladies that presented differing opinions. They made better points than you. They presented a better argument and more quality information than you. You only started the thread. You don't own it and you don't get to make the rules. Nobody other than you is trying to make this into a flame war.

I honestly believe there is way too much slandering, pressure and bashing on both sides of this equation. ladies towards other ladies who differ, those who say clients pressure them, those who feel pressured. Every time this topic gets brought up no matter the phrasing, forum or thread, it generally stirs up emotion all around. I believe everyone must do what is right for them and what is within their own "risk" limit. I also believe that we also need to let everyone live their life and run their business or make their hobbyists choices without judgement or condemnation. If you don't want to do it, don't. If you do, do. If you want a provider who does, find one. If you find one who does or doesn't based on whatever you want, suck it up and move on. I think there has been enough negativity put out there by these threads that we all just need to decide to stop the madness. Danielle, this is in no way aimed at you, I understand why you're asking, the problem being, you shouldn't HAVE to ask. It doesn't matter what others think or feel, what matters is how YOU think and feel. Respect runs every which way so lets all respect one another and let this topic die a very quick and painless death and respect one another to make the choices that are right for us.

Well, first off, some of your choices are actually incorrect. Here are your options (and the only potential outcomes from the SCC case): 1. The three criminal code provisions relating to sex work (s. 210, 212 and 213) are upheld a.k.a status quo 2. The three criminal code provisions are struck down (decriminalization). 3. A mix --one law may be upheld, while others struck down (eg. Bawdy house laws and the living off the avails may be struck down while communicating for the purposes of prostitution is upheld). Legalization just confuses things. That's NOT what is happening. Prostitution is already legal. Also, the so-called "pimping" law, in actual effect is far too broad, in that it is applied to ANYONE who takes money from a sex worker, including family members who live with said sex worker. It's also redundant--sex workers don't need special laws just for them--there are already laws on the books that deal with exploitation, fraud, theft, extortion, etc. These links will take you to some excellent PDF infosheets that covers all aspects of the case. The Basics: Decriminalization of Sex Work:http://www.chezstella.org/docs/StellaInfoSheetTheBasic.pdf?PHPSESSID=77cdc8f26c478d98611705756a952397 Sex Work and the Charter: http://www.chezstella.org/docs/StellaInfoSheetCharter.pdf?PHPSESSID=77cdc8f26c478d98611705756a952397 Challenging Prostitution Laws: Bedford v. Canada: http://www.chezstella.org/docs/StellaInfoSheetBedford.pdf?PHPSESSID=77cdc8f26c478d98611705756a952397 I encourage everyone here to read these infosheets thoroughly if you're interested in understanding what is actually happening.

My sides are hurting from laughing so hard! Thank you guys for this, I needed it! cat

The thread is titles "Eye candy - for the ladies" and this site is not just for the guys. I have no issue with this at all.

Actually CERB is a community of ladies and gentlemen who share a common interest and lifestyle. This isn't a boys club, not in the least and thank god for that. And not all the threads are for the guys, actually they are for everyone. So as PhantomKnight said, don't look at it. RG

It's a sad day for me, I lost my father yesterday. He was no longer able to stay in a residence for retired folks and we just placed him in a nursing home 1 week ago. Alas his heart gave up on him and now he is gone, I will miss him very much, he was my hero, my tutor, my father. I have never known anyone has ambitious, determined, encouraging, generous, self assured, unique, brave, charming, wise, talented, perfect, encouraging, dynamic, self made man, a pioneer. My dad was also very handsome, lovable man, he donated to the society, help many great causes and never asked for anything back. This weekend for fathers day I will miss him greatly. For all my friends on Cerb if your father is still alive please tell him how much you love him before it's too late.

There is an upside to clients who call and and attempt to pressure a provider. These people are self-identifying as classless jerks who are volunteering to end any further discussion.

A recent pic of me :)

For Emily J and her love of suspenders:) Additional Comments: For me-the sexiest man on earth!!

Now, now, Phaedrus! Have you considered the fact that you might be hurting Lee's feelings by providing realistic options that were not included in HIS poll? Shame on you! I might have to cross the road myself and give you a real good spanking

Never offer or agree to provide something that you're not comfortable doing. Never, ever. You will feel used and degraded, or worse. This is a reasonable way to make a living IF you can enjoy yourself and the men who visit you. If not, you can start feeling as though your soul is being shredded. Don't let anyone tell you what everyone else is doing. They're probably wrong. And don't let anyone tell you that you won't get clients if you don't do X, Y or the almighty Z. That's not true, either. There are plenty of clients out there for every companion. Even in tough economic times! Give you very best, all the time, no matter what. Who you are, your diligence, creativity and sensitivity are the things that matter more than anything else in this business, every day.

It is a cool thread .... i'm with ya on this one (the hair thingy you're mentioning there;-P ). Now now, You know Lee, RG, you two are not the only CERB stud muffins to be eye candy .... ;-) What's sexier than me in an apron in the kitchen ? .... or showing off with bling-bling ? ... or being in a business suit and tie?

Am I wrong for wanting to play safe? To each their own everyone likes different things and I do respect that but am I wrong for wanting to offer a clean safe bj? Look forward to hearing everyone's opinion xo

NJ lost his father recently too. Sending you my thoughts, prayers and condolences NJ for your loss Take Care RG And thank you to Conquistador for bringing this to our attention

With ease I expect Cristy!! All you need to do is show up and be yourself! <<<On another note, If I came to O town how would I ever live up to all the expectations>>>

Cristy totally needs to come to Ottawa... But there's a tiny part of me that's relieved that she's so far away, because if she was closeby I think I'd go bankrupt in a week! (That tiny part would be my wallet, not my penis.... which is also tiny, but the penis part REALLY wants Cristy to come to town)

No It made sense. You get on in there with those two Gabs...... no doubt 99.99999 % chance you will be the one that comes out alive :) For example. You are a redhead sometimes = feisty and fiery..... and When I ask you to spell smart....you say "Smart....S M A R T" When I ask Piano8950 to spell smart...he says "Snart" S N A R T" When I ask Old Dong to spell smart...he say "Penis" PEE NUS Just sayin....... Not sure what that had to do with chickens crossing the road so just hijacked my own frickin thread !!! My bad ;)

Contrary to your arrogant and completely disrespectful personal attack on me, I will nonetheless attempt to dissuade anyone who actually wants to consider the original question to see only my viewpoint. My personal feelings are far more important than anything you can possibly feel, and you say things that make me want to edit my original post in order to make you appear more villainous. I would say that you are a big poopyhead and that your genitalia smells of wood alcohol and goat cheese. Don't be alarmed. I will edit that later to claim that I have never said such a thing and that I was completely respectful. Neener neener neener. You have a smelly weiner.

Something tells me the chicken gets hit by a car. Poor thing. ;)

Tom Hardy, my celebrity crush for the last years! If I see him in the street, I would totally bring him home with me that way:

I think as humans we hate awkwardness. We perceive silence as uncomfortable. I would ask off the wall questions. If you were a Super Hero, who would you be? When you order breakfast are you a bacon or sausage girl? What is the air speed/velocity of a sparrow? Have you ever passed out drunk behind the Old Munich beer gardens in Montreal and almost got run over by a garbage truck? Gerard Butler or Bradley Cooper? Hopefully the lady finds you amusing and not a simpleton as you want to be invited back....

Hmm I see no nefarious intentions at all; learning and sharing yes, those intentions abound! A poll is effective only when a multiple choice answer is available. This poll is not clear enough and therefore requires discussion.

Nothing Like a good COCK FIGHT! hahah

And, boys versus men, isn't always an age thing that makes the difference. I have met some very young men, and some pretty old "boys".

But what about all those chickens that have no motivation to cross the road? Why can't I chose that option??? Not every chicken wants to travel you know.

I kinda like the idea of a cock Figtt! Hehehe

What reaction are you talking about? An intelligent and reasonable discussion with information presented from people who understand the subject and are actually directly affected by it? You nailed down a set of choices and suggested that they were the ONLY choices. You stated up front that you didn't want to hear any other opinions as if you were the ultimate authority in the subject. Then you act all butt-hurt that people had the audacity to disagree with your viewpoint? Sorry dude. It's your right to post anything you want but you don't know everything and it's incredibly arrogant to assume that you have the final word without hearing any other opinions.

I have one dog ;a Lab-Shepherd mix. she love to swim. she loves to cuddles but at the same time is very protective. I love her so much she has helped me through so much. She is a wonderful dog and I am so lucky to have her.