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Ladies and gents, its now official !! The Ottawa September Social will be held Thursday, September 19th, so mark your calendar!! There will be 60 spots available (30 gents and 30 ladies) for members in good standing. Gents, tickets will be made available soon, at a cost of $35, which will cover snacks, drinks for the ladies and door prizes. I will keep everyone up to date via this thread as things progress. As it's an event organized by CERB members for members, you can contact myself, Loneskater or Spud271 directly should you have questions. Cheers!! MisterT

I've been in this business for quite awhile. I wouldn't have stayed in it if I wasn't able to make a living and support my loved ones without doing irreparable, deep harm to myself. In the beginning, it was touch-and-go, so to speak. But I was new, had plenty to learn and the only thing that mattered to me initially was that I needed to earn a lot of money as quickly as possible. I was subjected to enormous pressure over the low fees I was charging, even then. Some people will try to bully, pressure or negotiate the fee, no matter how low it is to begin with. When I raised my rates the first time, I felt as though I was taking my children's lives in my hands. I was completely astonished to find that I had no trouble finding worthwhile clients who didn't question my quoted fees. Not only that, but they were generally a lot easier to deal with. I decided that was because they were making a clear decision to spend their money with me, whereas at the beginning I was attracting clients for whom the low fee wasn't really an issue to begin with. The next time I raised my rates, I was hesitant but not as anxious as I had been before. I wanted to see fewer people and was willing to put the effort into attracting them and then into encouraging them to return for another visit. Again, there were good clients out there who didn't question my fees. There were some who were dismissive or combative, but by that point I didn't care what they thought. I was earning what I needed to earn and I was seeing people I enjoyed. As far as I'm concerned that's the definition of near-perfection. I still receive occasional e-mail from men who think that insulting me may help convince me to see them. I've been told that I have an undeserved opinion of myself, that only a 23-year old woman who looks like a Barbie doll is worth what I charge, that in these "tough economic times" I have an obligation to lower my fees because the inquirer is having a hard time meeting his expenses and that no one really wants to pay so much for someone who's been "used" by many others before him. I've become an expert at pressing the "delete" key quickly. I'm fortunate not to need to advertise very often. I turn away far more people than I engage with because I don't have to make time for people who don't interest me. I'm thankful that I can afford to see the gentlemen I want to see. If you can't afford my fees, that's a shame. It's not my problem, though. If you're impatient to see me and don't want to wait until you can afford to spend time with me, I understand. Healthy adults have learned to delay gratification so I'm sure you'll manage somehow. If you decide that, instead of seeing me, you'll see someone whose fees are lower than mine, that's your choice. It doesn't actually have anything to do with me. That's really what it comes down to. What you can afford to pay is about you, not me. It's not my problem and it's not something I will take on. You can't afford my time, but others can.

I agree with the sentiment that we should not objectify people, whether women in this industry or not but perhaps the delivery could have been done without the final paragraph. To put down those with a lower rate than yourself, to say that you get what you pay for implies that there is a hierarchy based on rate in this industry when in fact I don't agree with that. We all offer different services, model our businesses differently and service different areas of the market. There is a market for the $80-100 ladies and yes some of those ladies may not offer great service but then some ladies that have rates much higher than mine also are not "gems". To say that price is the determining factor means that I am about twice as good as you and I don't believe anyone can say that. We simply target a different clientele and have a different business model, we may appeal to different people as well but there may be some overlap, of that I am not entirely sure as I am not in Ottawa that often. I think it's important for everyone to realise though that there is a market for everyone has a role. Some of these ladies are likely not happy in their present situation but that can happen in any market. I know ladies that do not enjoy the longer dinner dates and travel that I prefer, they like to focus on the shorter 1hr engagements. I myself will not offer those as I do not enjoy them. It doesn't make any one of us better or worse, and definitely does not guarantee you are a better companion than anyone else in the eyes of your client. What makes you a better business woman is when you recognize what works best for you and work within your comfort zone, clients appreciate someone that is happy offering a service they enjoy and from my understanding that is what you do. Perhaps some of the ladies that offer shorter dates or have a profit model that is based on higher volume are also content in their situation and I don't think it's right for us to put them down for that. **** end of my little detour **** As to the topic... Personally I don't get a lot of the negotiating requests, when I do I stop to re-evaluate where I am marketing and my ad content. I can ignore one or two emails about my consideration but more than that means I am somehow failing in my communication and I need to be more effective. As an example recently I decided to post on a new advertising board and had several people contact me about my "one hour rate" or perhaps "I'll contact you again in a week when you drop your rates, you must be new." I was in a city I had visited several times so I wasn't at all concerned about it, the only new factor was the new board I had advertised on but all the additional emails about the rates were a make work situation for my assistant so I was able to determine quite quickly this was not a place I would be advertising in the future and in fact I deleted the ad early as I didn't want her to be wasting time answering these inquiries. It wasn't the fault of the potential client but rather I wasn't reaching out to my market.

... until the day arrives that someone is negotiating percentage points for interest on a loan to lay along side me in my bed I will not negotiate my consideration. As long as my service costs less than a day at a golf tournament, it isn't up for discussion. I am a negotiator, anyone who knows me will attest that I can be embarrassing to go shopping with. I will negotiate any PRODUCT price and have done so in stores from Walmart to Holt Renfrew but I don't negotiate with my lawyer, my mechanic, my general contractor, my accountant, my hairdresser, my nail shop or my RMT. These are MY service providers and I value the work they do because it is quality and I trust them to give me their best every time I walk thru the door. All I ask is that I'm treated with the same respect when I give my best as I do each and every time a guest walks thru my door... cat

In this age of social media and different ways to connect with people, blogs have become a very big part of the communication structure. Many of the lovely ladies of CERB now have a blog as an extra form of communication and sharing. My question for those of you who browse and enjoy our blogs, what would you enjoy seeing? Seeing more of? Seeing less of? Would you like more personal sharing about life as an MA/SP? Stories of our adventures, pictures, Q&A? Personally, I like to think of my blog as a way to share with those I might meet or have met. Feedback to make it more enjoyable is always great!

Yes please!

I hope to make it :) I had allota fun last social !! Now that I know Mr T's secret maybe I will bring some baking too ;)

Yes, please! I will be there.

Count me in!!

My big bouncy bountiful boobies:)

Thank you Emily for your great wit, sexiness, charm, and personality. I can't wait to meet you in person and congratulate you on the occasion of 1,000 CERB posts, as Midnite so eloquently wrote, "1 lick at a time". :cooter: :D

Wow, thank you so much Miss Midnite for starting this thread and everyone else for all the love and your awesome comments! :) I love you guys too, and am so happy to be here! :) xoxo

I know people that will negotiate all services. What I find amusing is they feel that they got a "deal" to begin with and then complain when they didn't get all that they wanted or needed. Negotiating multi-hour rates like a court case or a custom built house is one thing, taking 5-10% off $100 000 still leaves a viable cash flow and small excess can be trimmed where needed to accommodate the discount. Asking me to take a 40% pay cut on my fee that has not increased in 9 years for a luxury service is simply arrogant and insulting. Pussy is not a poor mans hobby and if a man needs a discount because he genuinely doesn't have it in his pocket then he should realize that he genuinely CAN'T AFFORD to be hobbying and needs to get his financial house in order... cat

is not acceptable! This isn't a flea market. Take the time to find out what options a lady offers (ie length of time and corresponding donations) and either book with her or continue your search! BTW "can you do x amount of time for x amount of donation?" is akin to negotiating!

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But, 'quickie' has u & i together hehe... Hello Gentlemen, My name is Sasha, I'm a young fit MA who loves to massage and can do it for hours. My sensual erotic GFE massage will relieve your tension while I provide you with sexy teasing fun that will lead to an explosion of heavenly pleasure, just tell me what your into. I'm petite 5'4, athletic 120 lbs, perky b34 bust, dark hair, golden tan, juicy round bum, seductive lips, hazel bedroom eyes and very open minded fun and comfortable to be with. Join me for some hot steamy fun available 10am-9pm call 613-614-2117 -Sasha xoxo

Leonard Cohen - If It Be Your Will 'Mad World', originally by Tears for Fears, which I love, but this cover by Gary Jules just kills me Tori Amos, 'Me and a Gun'. I saw her perform this one, at a smaller venue in Toronto, and I was in the front row. It was chillingly mesmerizing, I think the entire audience was brought to tears. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xjlWFjX1Yw

I'm glad this was brought up. I started to feel a little uneasy when rates are used in a sense to form a judgement.

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Thank you to everyone who has responded so far. It's been really helpful to read your comments and has definitely provided some insight on how I could handle such a situation in the future. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to recommend they not read my recommendations if it causes them unhappiness and move on from there. I should probably also mention that although I'm a paid companion, the experience I have with everyone is different. I don't want to insinuate that they are more special than everyone else because that wouldn't be fair/true and could do more harm than good. Also, I shouldn't have to lie to appease someone's insecurity about my lifestyle, chosen employment, etc. Perhaps the undercurrent of such comments about recommendations is a hope that the relationship can become more than what it is currently. Or a desire to move beyond the negotiated realm of an SP/client relationship. If that's the case, then obviously there is nothing I can do. I'm simply not sure what's expected of me in those moments. I care deeply about people and it upsets me to think my lifestyle causes people harm in those moments. As many have expressed, it isn't my problem, and while I agree I definitely find it hard nonetheless. I'm empathetic, what can I say? I think I get lost in my own thoughts when I start thinking about the complexities of these relationships we have on CERB. There are so many layers to our interactions! I wouldn't change any of it for the world though. I absolutely adore this profession. I love interacting with people, making connections, and even in these more difficult moments I still learn so much about others, and myself. It's a great way to live.

Is it too intimate? In some ways, yes it is... For the first 15 years of my career, no kissing or daty was industry wide S.O.P. These were services that were offered only to very trusted regulars at a girls discretion. I couldn't wait to get home and kiss my husband after a long nights work. The kisses were the ignition to me wanting him. It wasn't until I arrived in Canada that I was faced with the fact that clients expect it on the first visit. I loved to kiss but it was a challenge for me because kissing is the most intimate act I participate in and adding it to daily menu desensitized me to it and it has come with a cost in my personal sex life. I can no longer achieve a deeper level of intimacy and connection with personal play partners as I used to and it makes it far less appealing to play simply for fun. If my lips are engaged, I'm all in because I can't separate my kisses from my kitty. This was one of the main reasons for the break down of my marriage altho I didn't recognize it at the time. I genuinely enjoy my work, I can orgasm easily when kissed properly and I love skin but given that guests want access to every part of me, I seldom have any needs left for personal lovers to tend to. It's a win for guests as they get an authentic experience but a loss for me because I have no interest in a sexual relationship on a personal level. Even men who I have amazing connections with on an emotional level never get to first base because my itches have been scratched. Men don't want to cuddle and hang out long term if there's no sugar on the horizon so I don't even bother to try and date. If a provider feels kissing is too intimate, then respect that. She knows what works for her. I wasn't less gratified in my work when I didn't kiss or allow oral, I still loved providing the service and my ensuring my guests left satisfied. They just weren't entitled to every little bit of me for less than a monthly car payment. I didn't realize when I tried to stay competitive that it would come with such an expensive personal pricetag... cat

I've only been on CERB for a couple of weeks and have yet to meet any of the MAs or SPs ... yet :D. But I am almost positive that if you look through this board for recos of well known MAs, whether indy or spa based, you will be completely safe. That's the beauty of a community such as this. If you choose to see someone whom many of the CERB guys have seen, the lady's reputation is already established and you'll have nothing to worry about.

I prefer lifestyle, then durex second­. I have a really sensitive vagina and some brands irritated me like no tomorrow.

Anything you are comfortable with and feel like sharing. I appreciate insight into your personality, so Q&A is a favourite. Really, it is up to you, the ladies, what you wish to put out there. :) FR Additional Comments: If you are not into sharing intimate details of your daily life, just give us pictures, lots of pictures! ;) Above comment added for humour only. Majority of ladies are fine, IMO, as far as pics go.

Congratulations, beautiful lady! :) Well done! xox

Two or Three partners is good for me lol There's lots to do and have done, but not too much going on at once that we lose focus of our own pleasures as well as each others ;)

Hey, If I went to high school with a girl named Michael, you can be named Dick! :)

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Perhaps I should have been a bit more clearer in my last paragraph. I was referring more to those who advertise the "best" experience promising all sorts of things but not delivering. Offering the "best experience" is very subjective. To one offering it and the person on the receving end could interpret that as something entirely different and often times too good to be true. Yes, you are correct in the fact that I should not have listed specific rates. However, these specific rates are those that have been troublesome to those classified sites that promise the world but are either fly by nights, bait and switch or scam artists. This isn't speculation, this is a fact and you can read this in a certain blog that a certain member operates. By no means was I forming judgements against SPs who charge lower rates as there are SPs whose rates are higher than mine and vice versa. I don't pretend to be in a higher echelon than anyone else and I certainly don't judge those that quote higher rates. An SP's rates are very personal but if someone is asking a lower rate promising all sorts of things, one should be able to read between the lines but then again, others don't and that's where they get scammed. Bottom line, you get what you pay for and this isn't a matter of being judgemental. When an customer buys into that, there is some sort of guarantee that they will be disappointed. Again, you get what you pay for.

Congrats. Emily, on your 1000 posts! :bigclap: Your posts are always informative, humourous, factual, and well-written. I look forward to your next 1000 posts!

I'm still fairly new to the business so I've only done a couple duos, but I think the two most important things are: 1.Chemistry- as Al said, this is key . 2.Communication- some people want a duo because they want double the attention, others want it for the show the girls can put on together ;) Don't be afraid to ask for what you want! The duos I've done have involved little to no interaction between the girls, simply because that was not the direction the client was steering the session. However, I would not be opposed to having some fun with a coworker, provided we had chemistry with each other.

If I may put my nickel' worth in here... I really wish people would stop comparing women to tires, McDonalds, cars and the list goes on. We are human beings and offering an intimate service. While we do have a list of services we offer, we are not a drive thru where you have it your way. And as Meg said, this is a luxury service. Not something that is a necessity in life like a roof over your head or food to put on the table. Seeing an SP is a privelege, not a right. It becomes very disconcerting that people think of humans this way no matter what one's view on prostitution is. At the end of the day, we are PEOPLE with feelings and emotions. If we were robots, I don't think negotiating would be a problem because the service would be mechanical and the entire experience that men seek out which is intimacy would be a moot point because there would be none. If you want a menchanical experience, there are lot of ads out there that offer $80-$100 experience but remember you get what you pay for. And if one thinks they're going to get the whole nine yards, you are in for a big disappointment. They can advertise the best experience all they want but for that amount they will do the minimal required and that will be it. There will be no established connection, none of the extras that a higher end SP will offer but again if that's what a hobbyist wants, then there is a market for it with lots of supply and demand. Enjoy!

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Frankly, I wish I was rich enough so that I could negotiate with the lovely ladies on CERB! Except I would be negotiating upwards and squirrel them away for days at a time as I love to spoil women! I know it's a sickness, but I can't help it dammit!

... and also, if business is business and "this" being just another business like purchasing a car or a house it should then make sense if negotiating our wares, we should ask a MUCH higher price so that when negotiated down we receive the original price desired at the end of the negotiations ... ?

This is a business/lifestyle UNLIKE ANY OTHER Negotiating not cool, not cool at all Only the SP knows her value no one else. If she finds few clients because of her rate she can re-evaluate. Her rate is also how much her time is worth I've met a couple very special ladies, ones I call friends. I wouldn't ever consider negotiating. A friend wouldn't try to shortchange a friend and a client, well good client wouldnt try to shortchange a SP To me negotiating is trying to shortchange Finally in my experience 95% of my encounters have a value exceeding the donation required. These ladies, these Goddesses have allowed me to be with them intimately, not just provided a escape but treated me special like a boyfriend, well friend, not as a john. Negotiate with them, NO treat them with respect YES...and that means treat them like ladies deserving of respect because they are ladies and deserve respect A rambing RG

Thanks Amelia. I appreciate your kind concern & you are a good person to bring this up in the spirit of Cerb friendship. You should understand that Cristy & I are good friends and I can assure everyone here that there was no ill intent on her part in her response. Cristy is a passionate advocate for those who are the most vulnerable in our society - those who can't speak out against abuse...our animal companions. She was a little concerned she came off as sounding off-key, so she & I exchanged friendly words about this post. We are on the same page & there's no problem. I just want to set the record straight in case there were any misunderstandings. The mighty Jabba thanks you Amelia :icon_biggrin:

Doesn't sound bizarre at all. Intimacy is subjective. If you felt it was too much, you have every right to not do it. SPs aren't the only ones with boundaries. Any woman who would answer " Yes, I give in" may as well be wearing a target on her back that says, "Please ignore my boundaries." The fact that you use the terminology, "Give in" is monumentally disconcerting. No I don't give in. I do, however, have an expression on my face that says all I need to convey should any " man " keep trying to push past my level of comfort. It says, " Try that again & you will need a crash course in how to masturbate with only your feet ". You are essentially asking professional companions to publicly breach the confidence of a guest to satisfy, what I can only ascertain, a very invasive case of carnal curiosity. My answer to you would be, "It is none of your business what I do with him." Yes really. Believe it or not some of us have a personal life, we aren't 24/7 on call paid for vagina. And as shocking as this revelation may be to you, we are all very different people, ages, body type, hair/eye colour but mostly, in personality & boundaries. We weren't created in Petrie dishes & raised on special Hoochie Farms for God's sake. Now if she promised kissing, daty, whatever & then declined to offer it in person, only 2 reasons come to mind. 1- She lied to get you there, not cool. 2- Blow into your hand, take a whiff & ask yourself if you would let that stick it's tongue in your mouth. You also use the term "making love " repeatedly. As much as I enjoy my time with my guests & really get off on a lot of the sex, I am not making love to you. No amount of money you pay me buys my heart. Period. If you want a love making session where you will get the same thing each time, get a girlfriend. If you don't want that, you need to do a reality check on your SP expectations coupled with better research. So to answer more succinctly your thread title, " That's too intimate? Really? Yes. Really!!!! That's what happens when you deal with humans as opposed to robots. Sandi

You can use tin eye to see if pics are real hun. My pics I use are 100% real, usually I am the one who has taken them. Some bait and switches are posted here also, so if you come across a bait and switch, do your fellow hobbyist a favor and post it:) I find my web site helps my clients discover who and what ads are from my agency. There is one big agency in NB that is famous for using bait and switch, see section for details.

or is that Brittney kind of hot?

Take off your glasses sugar, cuz Lexy is about to tackle you and jump right on your face!

There are subtle differences which can end up feeling like huge differences. I like different types and brands because the actual sizes can be different. A lifestyle large is not very large, but it does still give a small bit of extra room for someone who is not fitting into either regulars or Magnums. And Trojan does the biggest off the shelf extra large size if you get their Magnums. Magnums are larger than anyone else's large, and sometimes you need that. What is in short supply, no pun intended, is a snugger fit for a smaller size, even a longer guy who is smaller girth can swim in a regular size condom, and an illfitting condom can not only slip off, it can probably reduce sensation if it isn't fitting snugly. I order XXL (durex makes those) and Snug Fit (Lifestyle does those) online, as the only place I can find them. I get any Lifestyle that is ultra thin or natural feeling, or ultrasensitive, any of those are fine. Then one Large size, usually Lifestyle because overall I prefer LS over anything else. I do not like the smell of the Bare condoms, but the sensations are really great. Anyone who feels like they aren't getting enough sensation should try non-latex condoms, the difference is really noticeable.

I love the Lifestyle Skyn. They have a snug fit so you have to be careful but with a sensitivity to latex I enjoy these. No rubber taste, transfer heat and work well.

to me it depends on on how i an with the lady. everyone reacts differently with different people. for example one lady i was with we were comfortable walking and seeing each other nude so we just got dressed in front of each other wile talking like friends. another time with someone else the lady was resting under the sheet on the bed as see was a little bit more modest so when i got dressed we had a talk and i kissed her to say good but and left and she had not gotten dressed yet. so i think the situation changes depending on the person, and personality and how well you 2 hit it off. that is what makes it interesting and keeps it from getting old.

One of the main reasons that I continue to indulge in this wonderful hobby is that the beautiful ladies from cerb do not discriminate against size, age, race, disablilities etc. They not only provide the intimacy, companionship, and friendship that I cherish, but they also provide me with a fantasy world - a world in which I could fantasize them being my sweethearts, honeys, darlings and more. I salute them for being here when I need them. Without them, my world would have been a lesser place. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, lovely ladies!