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Actually, dear one, what we're discussing here is the fact that there really is a rule or moral code that is being broken when someone attempts to negotiate our fees. You may think this is silly or trivial, but we don't. The consequence for most men will be that they're not going to be able to see the lady whose rates they've attempted to challenge. A man may have the right, in terms of the free speech right, to launch a challenge, but he will also have to accept the probable outcome. We, on the other hand, are under no obligation whatever to accept his challenge as appropriate, reasonable or something we should consider accepting, nor are we under any obligation to see someone who has tried this. You see, for most of us, attempting to negotiate our rates is a violation of boundaries and, once someone starts that kind of thing, we know that there's potentially no end in sight. The next thing we know, he'll be trying to pressure for services we don't provide, or to forget using the condom for some things or even all things. He may decide he's entitled to run overtime significantly. Or he may consider that, having our address, he's should be allowed to drop by, unannounced, as "friends" often do. He might see these things as reasonable. Most of us see them as the thin edge of a very wide and potentially dangerous wedge.

I think any woman can be sexy regardless of her weight/height/hair color/skin color /etc. Everybody has different tastes in what they find physically attractive. As a younger man I felt almost ashamed that I was attracted to women with big sexy curves because all my friends and society in general said it was wrong. So at that time I would have maybe considered it a "fetish" or taboo because I thought it was abnormal. But as I've matured I've come to realize that I like what I like and that's OK! I've also realized that although I prefer a bigger girl, I can be attracted to women of all shapes and sizes because true sexual attraction comes from good chemistry! If you have good sexual chemistry, physical appearance goes out the window! So to your point I say that no, BBW loving is not a fetish but merely a preference that is completely normal. I find even the word fetish a little confusing as it often comes with a negative connotation when I believe that all sex between consenting adults is normal if you enjoy it. Just do what feels good!

...but you nevertheless seem to be putting a lot of effort into convincing them that they should be more open to the idea. That's just an observation, of course. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions. But does she have the right to judge him for having asked? I think that's the issue where we disagree here; you seem to be advocating consequence-free haggling, and the ladies (and others) are telling you that this doesn't happen. When all's said and done, this really isn't my problem. The SPs here are well-used to dealing with this, entirely capable of deciding what standards of behaviour and mutual respect they expect from a "gentleman", and equally capable of deciding what sanctions to impose on any prospective clients who fall short of those standards. If someone decides they'd like to try haggling and doesn't get to see the SP they wanted to see as a result, it's no skin off my nose. Or hers, for that matter.

Sort of echoing Nicolette's point but from another vantage point. I've read complaints about certain providers being for lack of a better phrase, less than professional. But if clients or prospective clients are going to treat ladies as less than professional by doing things such as negotiate then expect to attract a certain type of provider. But treat the ladies like the professional companions they are, and you will attract professional companions. So to anyone who wants to negotiate rates. Well any lady willing to let a man negotiate her rate, don't turn around at the end of the encounter and complain about her if the date was unsatisfactory. You get what you pay for and if you want to devalue her time and services, also expect devalued time and services in return Hope that rambling makes sense. From a guy who values the encounters and escapes you ladies provide. RG

This isn't directed at you Craig101 but in the above quote you mention why is there no consistency? Because everything in this industry has gone to shit. When I first started in this business, it was rare that guys tried to negotiate. Many SPs were in line and on par with their rates and there was no problem in receiving them because they set their rates to what the market could bear and being realistic. Yes, the economy was a lot better but that's beside the point. Now with all these classified sites, everything has run amok and gone the opposite direction. I do blame them because those sites are geared toward the mainstream public and women think they can get into this business with just having a cell phone, a lap top and throw some ad up. Seems as though gone are the days where being a companion and all its effort is just a "suck and fuck and get lost" to some for lack of better words. "No restrictions", etc, etc. I do wish there were some sort of set standards as there are in other professions. Still, there are ladies out there who take the time and effort and not just grab whatever cash they can get. That speaks volumes! I cannot stand those classified sites and stayed off of them for the last 4 months. I don't judge those for using them as I've used them myself and gotten a few good customers but I have found that I have to psych myself up to put an ad on there to deal with some of these people. Sometimes my hands were tied and had to advertise there to build up new customers. Here, I don't have that problem. This just makes me want to go start my own niche advertising site for myself and my SP friends where these classified type ads wouldn't exist.

I have to say, I'm always somewhat dubious about the merits of negotiation with someone who's providing a service. If I can get something off a shelf for a bit less, that's great, but services aren't like that. Really, think about it for a moment. If you haggle with someone and pay less for their services, do you honestly imagine that you're getting the same service as you'd have got if you'd paid their asking price? That they won't cut corners, or use cheaper materials, or pay less attention to detail, or spend a little less time making sure they give you the best possible service, or go the extra mile before they just think, "Stuff it, that's good enough for this guy"? This applies to all service industries, not just the one we're concerned with on this board. But given the very personal nature of the services we're engaged in here... I think it applies more here than to some others.

I think one comment back in the thread somewhere was comparison to McDonalds. Well, if i go to McD's I can't negotiate. I can order something off the menu and pay what the total is, and if I don't pay that total, I won't get everything I ordered, simple as that. And if I want more items, they will charge me for those items in addition. So not sure sometimes how some things get added into the comparison when they aren't comparable at all. One thing that does come to mind tho is why do these guys think sps post rates and/or tell them rates when they call? As an opening to negotiation, or because that is what we are charging for the services they are requesting? I am not sure what guys who don't negotiate think we are hearing, but most of the time it isn't 'can you take 20 off just today, for your half hour rate (or massage rate)?" It is much more likely to be: Can I get an hour for 120, FS with GFE, even tho 120 is what you tell him is your half hour FS rate. It is "I only have 50 (or 60) what can I get for that, (or I want a half hour FS for that)" even after you just finished telling him your (nonFS) lowest rate is 100. It is getting a call from someone who has been before, and the last visit they were short 20 so you agreed to see them anyway, now calls you up (everytime, not just once) asking for yet another 20 off the discounted rate, or they won't make the appointment. It is the guys who think they are negotiating, but when asked "what are you giving up in order for me to reduce by that 20 bucks", they don't plan to take any item off the menu, or even offer to stay for less time. This is not a negotiation, it is a hostage situation. Agree, or I won't make an appointment, and as others point out, this can be an intimidation tactic against newer sps (or even sps certain guys think are new because they don't usually advertise on a specific site). Bottom line, if we wanted to charge less for our time and services, we would be charging that lower amount. You won't have to ask. If we want to put on a one day sale with reduced rates, you will see them at that time, you don't have to ask. If we tell you specific rates for specific things, as I've told many callers, the rates either work for you or they don't. It isn't my responsiblity to provide at rates that do work for you. If you want to come to see me, and I gather you do because you phoned me, then pay the rate. I've also in the past said if 20 bucks means that much to you, best keep the whole thing and not come and see me. Because 20 bucks also means a lot to me.

Hi everyone, I just wanted to express my gratitude for this amazing resource we call CERB. It's an amazing tool for all of us! For someone like me, it gives me a place to advertise for free if I choose to (and can do so ACROSS THE NATION!!!), which is UNHEARD of and such an nice gesture on their part. It also let's hobbyists know that I am reliable, honest, truly enjoy what I do, etc...Which is great for me! I mean, Im not going to say those things in an ad... thats ridiculous, I am who I am but its up to others to judge. So its so nice that there is somewhere like here where my gents can give their honest opinion about me thus letting others know they can trust my pics for example, or that Im friendly, not a drug crazed gun wielding psycho who's gonna take your wallet and black mail you lol etc... And vice versa, we SPs can check you out if we want to. See how long you've been a member, if other SPs have met you etc... Which makes it a lot safer for us. Likewise, its great for hobbyists for the above reasons as well. There's less of a chance of wasting money on bait&switch or even, simply not knowing enough of the girl's likes or personality, services etc and ending up visiting the wrong girl when you could have been with the one you wanted. Believe me, an honest courtesan does NOT want you disappointed, that'd be the worst feeling in the world! So its great that we know you come to us with a pretty good idea of who we are and what we offer. As if that weren't enough, this site gives us a place to communicate about things that bother us, or concern us, intrigue us, are curious about or something we experienced that blew our mind and want to share our joy etc... right down to health and legal issues! Its just a great place and I've had the urge to express my gratitude to those who founded it and those who run it today. Thank you Cerb and Cerbites!!! Sincerely, JessyCeleste PS Special thanks to Mod for having patience with my novice difficulties which Im sure caused a few face-palms and rolled eyes! lol (sorry hon xo)

from Cute0aza0Button album: Notice the fountain and the colour of her hair :)

Ahh, I love the diagrams! :) I want to change my answer... These are actually my real fave... Spread Eagle & The Usual :biggrin:

"Big Beautiful Woman" (commonly abbreviated as BBW) is a euphemism for an obese woman and is frequently used in the context of fat fetishism The terms "Big Beautiful Women" and "BBW" were coined by Carole Shaw in 1979, when she launched BBW Magazine, a fashion and lifestyle magazine for "plus-size" women. (courtesy wilkipedia) As a SP with the specializing in BBW ,I was wondering whether Individuals who admire a BBW view the attraction as a Fetish or a natural lifestyle attraction. [/url]

There was indeed a member who advertised rates negotiable, a cerbie for a week roughly and also at the same time triple posted in the shoutbox. Craig.....let's go with the likelihood that there is 99% consistency on this topic amongst the ladies and let us all respect the ladies for the work they do and the amazing times they offer us fellas to experience. No strings attached good times at a non-negotiable price. Well worth it in my experience.

Man seated in a chair facing a full length mirror, legs slightly splayed. Lady seated in his lap facing the mirror with her legs hung out over the outside of his (so that she's spread wide open). Usually she's positioned with her body just to the left of my head. Either her right arm around the back of my neck so that I can turn my head and suck at her breasts or her arms rest on the arms of the chair and I can kiss at her neck. I'm positioned so that I enter her at such an angle that I constantly stimulate both her g-spot and perineum with every thrust. my right hand reaches across her thigh to allow my fingers to softly stroke her clit, while my left hand either run through her hair or plays with her breasts. To watch it all unfold in the mirror and see her orgasm is fantastic. Heck if your lucky and she squirts the mirror will get a wash. That's my hands down favorite position.

I had a great time at the last one, looking forward to being there again.

Excellent! Thanks for organizing, guys... looks like I can make it, assuming you can put up with me :)

is not acceptable! This isn't a flea market. Take the time to find out what options a lady offers (ie length of time and corresponding donations) and either book with her or continue your search! BTW "can you do x amount of time for x amount of donation?" is akin to negotiating!

Maybe another aspect is giving your real exact age is also to some revealing a personal aspect of yourself that some ladies may not wish to reveal To me it's no big deal, as long as the lady isn't underage, which is one reason why I stay with ladies who are at a minimum in their mid twenties Remember the ladies are not giving you their real names either, so accept a certain illusion in this lifestyle, if that makes sense. I'm sure by the same token there are some gentlemen here who aren't 100 percent candid with personal details of their life to the ladies they see Just a rambling from someone who has had encounters with companions who have been from 25 (or is that 27) to 50 (or is that 52) years old, and one thing that really never mattered, was their age RG

I've seen some ads where I think the age might be in dog years :)When in doubt check some ones hands. Hands tell no lies. Peace MG

It is an interesting phenomenon, and sometimes what you will see connected to sp's moving locations and changing their names will be the same age is used for the new persona even tho she is technically 2 years older. It is a difficult business to be in to show older ages, for sure, and sometimes there is an old school mentality that says "younger is better", and sp's working for agencies feel that the most. They may be 30, but the agency posts them at 23, something they cannot pull off, but they are the ones face to face with client.s If that sp goes indy, she may be stuck with that age range, and have a hard time posting a more accurate one. Also, there is a sense that the age is already inaccurate, so those who use their actual real age have guys auto adding 5 years to it, and assuming their 30 is 35 plus. So some sps got into the habit of posting an age they can pass for, knowing that someone is already adding the 5 years they deduct the 5 in order to post an accurate age that someone will believe before they call, And then you have the ones who actually use their real ages, and comment that they do, and know that at least half the readers are saying 'yeah, right', and adding the 5 plus years to it already, if not more, because she's so adamant it is her real age. :) But, you also have to keep in mind the younger young ones. The ones who were actual 16-17 posting as 18 or 19 when they started. So are they staying the same age 5 years later, or are they simply now posting their real and legal age now.

in a word...WOW! I just toftt...sooooooooo glad I did, this lady is a rocket!

count me in :)

Hmmm, I'm thinking Kelly at CMJ... http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=73956 Have fun! toine

I've put it on my calender. Sept 19th! I'm there!!!

Yes. As someone who provides a service, in my early days when I did allow for a bit of negotiation with my prices, I treated them with as much respect and dedication as I would any other full paying client. It was my reputation on the line. But that's beside the point. I don't haggle or negotiate with SPs or MAs because it's not worth my time, or effort to save $20. And because if I'm being brutally honest, if her prices are too high, she'll find out herself (Gotta love capitalism). I think negotiation on a price if you're looking for sex is crass, cheap and just overall douchey. But at the same time, as much as this service is categorized as luxury, I'm a bit appalled with some of the rants on this thread. I understand when other threads open up because of safety issues, or matters pertaining to health and hygiene, but as this is a matter of money I don't think the issues compare. Getting negotiated on is always a downer, for a massive number of reasons, but I would never dare go on a wedding forum for brides and grooms to be to rant about prospective customers about the practice. Negotiation has given me the single best tool to weed out good clients and the bad.

However, purchasing a house is quite a bit different then services of a provider. I would be very careful about comparing purchasing a house to purchasing time with a provider. Purchasing a house is an inanimate object - a service provider is providing a service. Who goes into McDonalds, and says, hey, a burger at Burger King is cheaper, so I want a Big Mac and want to pay what Burger King charges. Those that negotiate, also want EVERYTHING included for the lower rate. Those that say they only want a BJ also want once they get there to kiss, finger and greek for the lower rate. This is why we get so upset with those that try to negotiate. Even after being told not to negotiate, these guys will try to make to make the provider feel bad about her rates and say "that's too high, please can I get a deal?" In this business, and probably the only business that I am aware of, negotiating is never ok. Just don't do it.

It's the quickest way to ensure your request will be denied. Sometimes, when I get angry with a negotiator, they respond with 'it was just a question'. NO. It was not just a question. You asked me to bargain with my body. Not acceptable. Occasionally I've responded to these requests with "Sure! But first, give me your bosses number, so I can call her and let her know that wages are up for negotiation and you'll go to work Monday for 60% of your salary". Usually gets the point across :P

A few more from LuxeMulvari's albums : Very beautiful pictures :)

Triumph - Lay it on the line http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz26fcmq3S8

Can you keep a Secret?....I know I can ;) Come indulge in the finer things in life...Who doesn't like being treated like a King? That's what CMJ offers you..Expecially me! I want to please you and give you 100 % satisfaction that will keep you coming back for more....& leave you with a smile on your face :) Please Call 613-523-6199 to book an appointment with me...If not a member PM me personally..And I cant arrange something special just for us! Tuesday 3-10 (East) Friday 3-10 (East) Saturday 4-10 (West) Sunday 9-10 (East)

I agree with you - A Plus Size Girl has alot to offer

Just show's you that without the hair style and all the make-up and glam. most Porn stars are just regular good looking girls. And sometimes without the makeup you wouldn't give them a second look. I appreciate the all natural beauty of a woman without make up.

Cleo Catra.... far too mesmerizing for me to focus on anyone else. She was very inviting, sweet and sexy as always. i highly recommend.

Yes, they will always exist but it is great to have a forum where we can discuss things that make us happy as well as things that irk us as long as it is done in a courteous manner. Cerb is awesome because of this and it's openness to frank discussions. I wouldn't change a thing :)

Well, the BJ thing is strictly prohibited at spas, but they will definitely provide you with HJ. If you want a BJ, then as previously mentioned, you should try an escort who provides massage. Also some independent masseuses who don't work at a spa might provide that. There's a lot of massage choices in the south end: at least two ALO locations (VIP & Luna South), three if you count Oasis, which is a bit more south-east; there's also Body Basics, and a new place called Blue Ivy Spa. As for independents in the area, I'm not too sure about anybody that's recent here, others might know better.

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Back in the day I used to rent hotel rooms on a regular basis for an SP marathon *lol*. It was a lot of fun and a great way to meet a new lady on neutral turf. I've only done a limited number of incalls as I'm risk averse. These days, I prefer to do my research in advance and then see a lady at my residence. For the $300+ or so I'd be spending on a room and meals, I can have an extra appointment!

When I read this, I could not stop laughing thinking of this movie clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57jOssjTbWw Sorry, I'm not right! Sandi

I hope to make it :) I had allota fun last social !! Now that I know Mr T's secret maybe I will bring some baking too ;)

I know people that will negotiate all services. What I find amusing is they feel that they got a "deal" to begin with and then complain when they didn't get all that they wanted or needed. Negotiating multi-hour rates like a court case or a custom built house is one thing, taking 5-10% off $100 000 still leaves a viable cash flow and small excess can be trimmed where needed to accommodate the discount. Asking me to take a 40% pay cut on my fee that has not increased in 9 years for a luxury service is simply arrogant and insulting. Pussy is not a poor mans hobby and if a man needs a discount because he genuinely doesn't have it in his pocket then he should realize that he genuinely CAN'T AFFORD to be hobbying and needs to get his financial house in order... cat

I had the pleasure of visiting Raven at CMJ this past Thurs morning and what a way to the day! Awesome!! We had a wonderful time getting to know each other and unknown to me until we got into the shower ......I was her first solo at CMJ and Gentlemen.....this young lady can fly! Raven is truly a sweet girl next door type with a beautiful smile, long red hair, a firm muscular body with beautiful body art, pierced nipples, great hands (she loves giving massage) and......well, I don't want to tell everything........you'll have to visit Raven sometime at CMJ and find out for your self! Oh......and did I mention......she trained with Mandy....OMG!!! I'll Be seeing Raven again! Thanks so much Luv! Hastings56....oxox :icon_wink:

I know the economy isn't the best but this is pretty sad. If you can't afford the rate of a real woman you should stick to drunk chicks at the club or something.

I've had people text me those kinds of negotiating questions and I say to them "Would you like to go to work for free today or have your boss tell you that you will only be paid X amount?" No I didn't think so! Don't negotiate. It's tacky and will not get you anywhere! Think about the outcome of all this...you go to see the SP and she is completely resenting you. You think you're going to get good service? I highly doubt it. This is why the better and more reputable SPs will NOT take whatever they can get. We actually care and take pride in our services and our rates are on par with that. We enjoy what we do for a living but at the same time we also have bills to pay, mortgages and other things to take care of . Don't mistake the fact that just because a person enjoys what they do has to accept a lesser rate. In fact, they should be getting paid their asking rate because the experience will be that much better. Taking an intimate encounter with a woman and turning it into all dollars and cents and what can you get for this or that completely cheapens the entire experience. If someone is looking for that, they can hit the streets and look there. You definitely get what you pay for!

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Mostly I like a natural (or wild) flow through different positions. I find the most memorable sex is when it involved several positions, where I can think back and remember the standing part...the kneeling part...the laying down part...the inverted triple axle part... Getting to explore how each one feels is part of the fun, and is often different with different partners. But if I had to pick one then I can say the emoticon Danielle used in her opening post could have been aimed at me, because nothing will get me going like a 69. It can be either sensual or impassioned depending on the mood, there's just so many wonderful sensations going back and forth, and--especially when the lady is on top--the feeling of so much skin to skin moving against each other is a delight.

I have met a lot of wonderful people some in person and others being cerb buddies...both whom I admire and like very much...I love how the cerb community is so positive and upbeat...and I like how I can be myself and express my feelings and be the naughty vixen I am lol xoxo kisses to all you sexy cerbies

In the past few months the relative number of girls at Garden of Eden (GOE) that are available at 250 has been dropping and the number of girls costing 300 has increased. It hasn't mattered that much yet, but it was an alarming trend... f'ing inflation, LOL. I like GOE because they often have several ladies available during the afternoon which fits best into my schecule. Much to my relief this trend was reversed recently with the appearance of Anna. And she looks nice. Woohoo. I booked Anna as soon as I could put enough hidden funds together (out of sight of my spouse). A bit of luck, on Friday I was reimbursed for some out of pocket work related expenses... in cash. And so, I met with Anna. GOE has a new location. I like the new location because its at the end of the hall so the sight feels a bit more anonymous... One of their units was uncomfortably close to the elevator... however, the condo is a bit further for me to travel than their previous sights. Anyway, Anna was friendly. I had my shower and got down to business. She has a very nice body with nice curves. Her natural breast were nice to touch. She apparently smokes because she tasted of nicotine. I don't smoke, but after spending an hour with her... was almost craving the stuff... almost. I had her start out on top asked her to go very slowly. Some ladies just want to bounce up and down. I like to take it slowly at first. She acted very slowly and my God she knows how to use her body. Her slow motion rhythm was very very good. She has great muscular control. My only complaint, if I had any, would be that she kept her hair up tightly in a bun. I like to run my hands through a ladies hair... (I have a hair fetish I guess, LOL). I can live without that for a day. So in summary she was a lot of fun. A pleasure to be with.

I've often asked myself that. I'm a girl who has to talk to a guy before anything else happens (I like to get a vibe from him) but I hate when they ask me to justify what I'm doing, mostly because it goes hand in hand with "trying to save me". Lots of girls lie because they are sick of hearing how they deserve better and should be doing more with their lives. There is a good portion of guys who want to hear how much we hate our jobs and how they are doing us a favor. I don't take those guys. I love my job and anyone who wants to degrade what i do will be trouble in the back usually. Just my 2c Megan

Hi there everyone, First of all I would like to say thank you for all of your kind words. It is the men like you that make us love what we do as SPs. I do want to clear a couple things up though... 1. I know that it has been said that I offer BBFs. This is not a service that I provide (no exceptions) so please dont ask. I also dont swallow (sorry guys). 2. I definitely apologize if I have ever kept anyone waiting. Being fairly new at this it took me a while to figure out the business aspect including scheduling. I will only see a couple of gentlemen in an incall day so often my excellent clients are made to wait until the next incall. For that I apologize as well. 3. I do feel bad for the fact that I AM fairly hard to get a hold of sometimes. I generally do most of my bookings online as my phone was constantly ringing from morning to night with fake calls and texts. Through emails we can kind of get a feel for one another better than a 2 minute conversation. 4. I have been asked why I dont work on the weekends...I do. I will work any day a gentleman needs me, I just pre-book all weekend sessions. SPs have a very different schedule. We are on call at most times. Pre-booking weekends is just a way to have a social life along with working. I hope I have cleared a few things up. Thanks for taking the time to read my post. And again, to all of you men who love to have a good time while treating a lady right, I applaud you and thank you. And to all of my regular gentlemen a special thank you for helping to make this experience a great one for me I only hope I am returning the favor.

The Canadian Escort Recommendation Board made a huge difference in my life. When I started escorting I had no idea what I was doing and CERB provided me with a safe space to explore this new chapter of my life. I meandered my way through the various threads and met some amazing people who helped me along the way. I remember joining CERB and only taking my first appointment after 2-3 months, and then I only made my first website about 6 months after that! It's been a learning curve for me. I think CERB is a great marketing tool, especially for posting threats and having conversations with new patrons, or maintaining conversations with ongoing ones. I'm sad that I've had less time to post because of my studies, but happy when I can find a couple of moments (like now) to tell the community how much I love and appreciate them. I meet patrons all the time that change my life in some way. I think we are all shaped by our interactions and I always learn something new about life when I meet someone. It can be something small, or something much larger, it really depends on a multitude of factors. I think CERB provides me with a medium to meet a lot of really interesting people that I wouldn't have otherwise met, and we shape each other through the intimacy and joy we share. It feels rather indiscreet and private to discuss particular heart warming stories publicly, but I think it's easy to understand what I mean without substantiating it with examples. I think we all reach other to each other in special ways, and I'll probably remember a lot of these experiences for the rest of my life.