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Men who try to give us advice on this very particular business seem to miss the most important point: every woman has her price, and there will always be a man ready to pay it.

It amazes me how often this topic seems to come up in one form or another. If I've learned only one thing in the four years I've been on this site, it's that the surest way to piss off most sp's is to try to negotiate their rates. This is not a possession you are buying, it's a service. (And a damn amazing one at that!) Insulting the lady and making her feel bad about herself before a meeting is only going to lessen your own experience. (If it doesn't prevent you from having it altogether). Do you really think she is going to give you her all when you started the relationship in this manner? In many cases we are talking about maybe saving $20. If that $20 is that important to you, then you need a different hobby. I won't say that cost is never a factor in my decisions. I don't have an unlimited budget for this, as much as I would like to. If I find a lady is out of my budget at this time, I move on. I simply could never imagine asking a lady to reduce her rate. When she tells you her rates, she is saying "I feel I'm worth $X" , and you're replying "I disagree! I think you are only worth $Y. Turned on yet?" Seems like shooting yourself in the foot if you ask me.

I didnt post anything yet as I couldnt add more of what being said. Negotiation is a no-no. Comparing a house (few hundred thousand purchase) vs "sp rate" doesnt make sense! Bragging for 20-40$ is just plain cheap. Seeing escorts is not a necessity, but a luxury. Life is expensive, yes! But it is for everybody, Sps included! Btw, why should I take off 20$-40$ of my rate for YOU when other gentlemen will pay my full rate? Some guys will say its better than nothing but its funny how everytime I refuse some "generous" offer there is always another respectful gent who is happy to pay my full donation (wich I believe totally deserve) + tips! This is what I call karma!! :icon_razz:

When I first started, it was through an agency. There was a gentleman who called regularly & when we were asked to call him to try & book, it was stressed that we only use his name. He was a travelling businessman who met new people all the time & hated anonymous platitudes. He felt them terribly impersonal no matter what the industry & only ever called us by name too. Super guy, great manners. Since then, I only ever address a gentleman by his name in any & all communications & make an effort to use it often. Of course, I have been known to scream out " Holy Christ " or " Sweet Jesus " mid happiness. But that I can't stifle & so far, no one seems to mind .:wink: Sandi

I had an idea! To all those who believes its fair to negotiation someone salary, I will call your boss on Monday morning to take off couple hundred dollars of your paycheck. I can guarantee you that you will complain when its gonna be pay day!! This is EXAXCTLY the SAME thing! Fun isnt it???

To answer a question that was asked in this thread and as someone who writes explicit ads I will attest naughtier doesn't always get more business nor does a high volume of clicks. Some of my most viewed ads got no appointments and some of my less viewed ads got lots, go figure. I post my ads with my mood at the moment, the hornier I am the more graphic my ad. Sometimes I'll take a few moments to think of something more creative but most times I'm just posting how I feel at the moment which is how I feel most comfortable, some will like others won't. C'est La Vie:)

I love it when a man refers to me with a "term" so long as its complimentary I'm happy to hear it. As far as me referring to a man sometimes, I use babe or sweety, but I get the sense that a lot of men just like to hear their given name:)

This is a question for everyone. I'm curious at what point in the process of arranging an encounter are your nerves most on edge? Though perhaps 'anticipatory' or 'expectant' would be a better word. Basically, when does your heart start to beat just a little bit faster? For me, it's actually the wait after I send an initial email/pm that gives me a bit of the jitters. I spend what is probably a silly amount of time writing, rewriting, editing, deleting, going for a walk, and then writing again that first message. And I still end up wondering if I didn't include enough information. Or perhaps too much! Or inadvertently said something inappropriate. I still find myself holding my breath a moment each time I check my messages to see if there's been a reply. And my pulse never fails to pick up when one does arrive!

You are so sweet, your kindness, honesty and sexiness comes through all your posts and you should never question if someone will like what they see, for if they don't see you for all you are well their loss and a big one-just had to say:) Sorry Brad not hijacking just had to comment:)

Thank you Brad - good poll. To me it is opening the door. So many things are going through my mind. Will he like what he sees? Will he be happy? Is he going to be a nice guy? Am I going to be safe? Will there be problems? As soon as we hug though, it all goes away and I just enjoy myself.

It's not an inappropriate topic at all. In fact, if more people were well versed in money management, Canadians likely would not have the staggering debt loads that they do. Unfortunately, it's not something they teach you in school. How you handle your money is both a learned behavior and a choice. Both of my parents were good with money and imparted their ways on myself. However, once upon a time when I was young and foolish, I became enthralled with the novelty of the hobby and tended to spend a wee bit more on it than I really should have. Luckily, I realized the error of my ways and henceforth have stuck to a budget. Money management isn't rocket science; all that's needed is a bit of rudimentary knowledge. First, make sure you pay yourself. That is, whatever you earn - put aside at least 10% in savings and investments. It may seem like a daunting task at first but you'll get used to it. Case in point, I now invest over a third of my income and don't even flinch. You also need an emergency fund for, you guessed it - emergencies! Try to have on hand at least six months of income in your daily bank account in case something drastic happens and you can't work. At least you'll have money to live on without going into debt. Next , hire yourself a reputable financial advisor and listen! Some good starting points include setting up an RRSP so you can benefit from the tax breaks, maxing it out if you can, opening up a TFSA, putting excess monies into non-registered investments, and finally when you're on secure financial footing - investing in real estate. Granted, that's a lot to take in, and it won't happen overnight. It took me years to get to where I am today, but I can tell you without a doubt, it's all worth it. Your future self will thank you - trust me on this. The key is to start off slowly, but make sure you start - the sooner the better. Also, pick up some good books that will guide you through the basics ; "The Wealthy Barber" by David Chilton, The "Automatic Millionaire" by David Bach and a book by Kevin O'leary - I think it's called "The Truth On Men, Women and Money" will be greatly beneficial to you. Good luck!

Salma Heyak and Antonio Banderas in Desparado! I was 14 when I first saw it and have been hopelessly in love with Miss Heyak ever since!

The whole freaking process is incredibly erotic and exciting. Then the lady opens the door and I see her beauty and catch her scent.... Then for me it ratchets up from there.

I'm the most nervous/excited a few hours before an encounter. Once I get checked into my hotel and am getting the suite ready (gift bag with donation out, wine chilling etc) heart is pounding...surprised I don't slip and fall in the shower LOL just waiting for the knock on the door. About a half hour before the lady is to arrive the tv is turned off (more I want to make sure I hear her knocking) and my head turns, looking at the clock, looking at the door, back and forth, back and forth, heart a pitter pattering away. And I'm this way whether I'm seeing a lady for the first time or fifth time or fiftieth time And on occasion when I'm seeing a lady at her incall, heart is pitter pattering from the time I leave home till I arrive on time at the lady's place...and those trips are usually about 3 1/2 hours long, heart pounding all the way. One of those trips I even had Carly Simon's song "Anticipation" playing in my head And the day I don't feel that way about an encounter, well that is the day I pack it in A rambling RG

She has two pictures that strikes you immediately as too good to be true and, yes, tineye reveals the pictures are wallpapers of a professional model. Here's her ad on BP: Arriving the 25th... New From Toronto Mia - 20

With the exception of the MOD, you have the most posts of anyone on this board and I find that amazing because your posts reflect so much of you, your thoughts, your support, your respect and your all around awesome sauce! You are there for everyone, old and new, and share your thoughts and insights to both help, inform and to make us smile or laugh. You are a true community leader, one post at a time. Thank you for everything you do!!! PS. Sorry I was 25 posts late! tee hee

Wow my last post but who the fudge created a poll when I am the original op. had I known the impact I would have. Anyhow.....have fun y'all!

I find it's the person who is most comfortable in their own skin that is sexiest. Someone who knows their worth and isn't afraid to be themselves whether it be what they wear, what they say, how they say it or any number of things that make them who they are. Someone who is not out to impress anyone but is down to earth, authentic and open. A sense of humor is a must and especially the ability to laugh at themselves when needed. Taking oneself too seriously is definitely NOT sexy. Treating people well, intelligence, imagination, easy going, playful, non judgmental, accepting people for who they are....these are all things that I find extremely sexy. Looks play a part to sometimes guide you in but it's the personality that will keep you there.

Meeting my new dog!!!!!!!!!!!! Application submitted to adopt a little old lady pug girlfriend for my little old man pug :D :D :D He LOVED her, I can't wait to bring her home

I think I've always found something sexy in just about all the women I've ever met. I agree that sometimes it confidence, sometimes it's attitude, humour, how someone is dressed and all the other things the previous posters mentioned. Sometimes for me it how eager or interested they seem to be in me. Sometimes as simple as a touch on my arm when they are talking to me (for some reason I find that very hot). Perhaps how they tilt their head or brush the hair from their face. Could be a smile. Eye makeup. Their perfume might drive me wild. Often as simple as a lady looking me in the eye and smiling. As I re-read this, I think I just find the opposite sex, SEXY! Maybe my age. Maybe I'm just weird, but on any given day, any given woman will do something that I find sexy! :)

I find confident, well dressed women incredibly sexy!!! Yet a woman who can be relaxed and at ease while sitting on the sofa and carrying a conversation with me is also very sexy. A great sense of humour and the ability to laugh out loud is very attractive as well. :)

Oh Cristy, lady after my own heart. Those scenes were amazing. They had such Chemistry. My favorite from Wild Orchid has always been the couple in the abandoned building under the water while being watched by Carrie Otis' character but there were so many sexy scenes in that movie. Henry and June had some brilliantly sexy scenes as well. Actually so many movies do. I actually prefer an R rated scene to porn a lot of times because they capture that essence of sensuality and anticipation that porn doesn't have.

I feel that this is most certainly a learned behaviour. I was once a spendaholic, buying silly things, without really noticing the amount per month I would spend. But as I grew older, I learned thst the moment of thrill or satisfaction of buying these unnecessary items just did not buy happiness. I have learned the value of a dollar, and now buy bigger items, cars, houses, rrsp, etc is now my new obession. Bulding my bank, credit and therefore feeling like I have much more freedom. So in effect, I have traded my spending habits, into a making and saving habit. I had come to terms with the fact thoes jeans I really want, are only going to buy my hsppiness for about half a day, vs raising my credit score so that I know can buy houses, etc.. I feel this comes with maturity. I am happy that I figured this out at my age now rather than waiting till it was too late. I still have a ways to go, but I am getting there:)

I just wanted to give a give a big shout out to Katherine and Penelope for doing a bang up job organizing this year's social. I know things were a bit rocky for awhile, but you managed to pull it off in spades! It was great seeing old friends again, as well as meeting some new ones. It's so nice to be able to spend some quality social time with trusted and respected members of our little community. I hope it's a tradition that will continue...

I think a lot of it is learned behavior. My parents grew up in relative poverty (over half a dozen siblings each probably didn't help either). I'm actually not so sure if we had it better or not. Sure I wore hand-me downs from my uncles, and we recycled bikes and some toys, but why waste perfectly good stuff? Same stuff with food, we cleaned up our plates -- no waste. When I said I wasn't sure I had it better, is simply that while I was a child I had everything I needed, and a few things I wanted. My wants were kept reasonable, otherwise they'd just be fantasies. Now as a parent with decent income I feel very confused. I'll buy the generic brands at the grocery store to save a few dollars on that bill, and then go buy an electronic gizmo I don't really need for hundreds. I'll buy generic brands for groceries to save a buck or two, but order take-out two or three times a week. Sit on an office chair a buddy of yours picked up on a curb while playing on a high-end computer. Give the kids a hard time about wasting their allowance while secretely planning my next CERB encounter... (CERB isn't a waste of money, it's wellness therapy)

An old one ... Marlon Brando in "Last Tango in Paris" (great anal scene) and another old one ... Clint Eastwood in "Play Misty for me" (great daty scene)

I don't get nervous, sometimes I get excited though. I made it a practice in the past not to look at a mans profile before meeting him as I liked to be surprised but I've since learned that its a much better idea to read his posts, recos, and search to see who he's visited with to decide if a meeting would be a good idea. This saves great disappointments and awkward moments. Then I can get excited about the thoughts of how we will interact and all the other naughty details to come;)

I'm with you Brad, I'm constantly rewriting and proof reading when I send an email or pm. Then if I don't get a prompt response, I always think I said something stupid or offensive. And then when I do get a response, I think I get the most nervous right before I open it! I've gotten better in the year and a half that I've been doing this but there are still some nerves.

Me unequivocally NO NEGOTIATING Something a gentleman wouldn't do to a lady Even if a lady says she allows negotiating (something I haven't run into btw) her first opening rate if you will is what I'll pay. I won't negotiate. Only she knows what her time is worth, what her expenses are and so on. It's IMHO devaluing a lady for me or any man to even suggest a donation when the lady is providing her companionship, which has an intangible value far exceeding any donation that could be asked for RG

Jessica Lange and Jack Nicholson The Postman Always Rings Twice RG

It has been a while since I last saw it, but I first saw Body Heat when I was at an impressionable age and I guess it stuck with me.

http://news.ca.msn.com/local/newbrunswick/codiac-rcmp-strikes-task-force-on-sex-trade-workers The Codiac RCMP is striking a task force and is promising to take a gentler approach when it comes to dealing with sex trade workers in Moncton. The police arrested 11 sex-trade workers last week in downtown Moncton, a move that angered many groups who help vulnerable people in the city. Angie Arsenault-Daigle, a nurse practitioner at the Salvus Clinic in Moncton, a medical clinic for disadvantaged people, said she met with the RCMP this week following the arrests. Arsenault-Daigle said the police are creating a task force and have agreed to take an alternative approach when dealing with sex-trade workers. "I think those are really important steps by the RCMP, so I'm hopeful that this task force that's going to happen is going to be a positive step forward for the girls," she said. Arsenault-Daigle said the meeting with the police was important so they could articulate their points of view. "We did kind of get together to say, 'OK, what can we do to try to help the girls a little bit,'" she said. "We do want to make sure the girls have a voice and that they get the same respect for their human rights as anybody else would." The RCMP refused to do an interview about the task force or how the police will deal differently with sex-trade workers in the future. However, a police official said in an email it has been working on this initiative for a while and it says the new approach is unrelated to the recent arrests. Laws need to be changed, sociologist says One expert in the sex-trade industry said naming task forces and changing policies only go so far. Gayle MacDonald, a sociology professor at St. Thomas University in Fredericton and an author of the book, Sex Workers in the Maritimes Talk Back, said the laws need to change before the lives of sex-trade workers can really improve. "Police are destined, by the nature of their job description to go after the most vulnerable, that's the problem, even if a police officer doesn't want to arrest someone, that's their job," she said. Prostitution itself is not illegal in Canada, though many of the key activities surrounding it are banned under three sections of the Criminal Code. For instance, there are prohibitions on keeping a bawdy house, communicating for the purposes of prostitution or living off the avails of prostitution. The Supreme Court of Canada heard a case in June, challenging the laws restricting the sale of sex.

A house is a tangible object but NOT THE PERSON SELLING IT! Its apparently ok to negotiate and shortchange this PERSON but in this industry it is disrespectful. With a lot of ladies advertising rates non- negotiable what does that say about the ones who don't? Were suppose to think that they forgot to mention this in their add but the same applies to them? The ladies here are quite intelligent and give a lot of thought to their adds. If its not written in their adds its not silly for one to ask. Simple solution here. Put it in your add.

I added the poll, I wanted to stick the thread and use it to help educate new members to the site. So that they can see how wrong it is to do this. The handful of people who voted YES (It's ok) compared to the overwhelming positive results for NO (It is not ok) clearly show this thread was needed and is a issue that needs attention. This thread also lets me see who the trolls are on the site as they can't help themselves on a popular emotional thread like this. They have to post to cause drama with stupid comments. Makes it easier to weed out the unwanted members here.

wow my friend way to go, i cannot even be leave how many post you have given, and they are all will substance to. way to go

You are a beautiful lady who is supportive and shares herself with others (and not in the obvious ways). Your thoughts are helpful and timely and you are also warm and sexy! Can't wait to see more....happy you are here!

I am always nervous meeting someone for the first time. It only goes away when the door opens & they genuinely smile at me. Men I see a second time, no fear at all since I know they are back because they like me. New friends though, terrified that I may not live up to their physical expectations. Every single time. Sandi

I, too, am shy. I find shyness in a woman to be sexy. Maybe because we can be relaxed around each other, open up and connect more easily. Maybe because I feel the hidden passion in her that tries to find the right person, the right environment to express itself. Can I become the key that unlock that passion? There is something magical about a shy woman. It's like: us against the world! This is incredibly sexy :)

You are smart RG using cash this is what I try to do also as credit cards can get me into trouble, I like boomer have high limits and a rather immature attitude when using them, almost like its free. As far as your truck if it works and gets you to and from why get a new one. I am starting to question my love of always having to have a "new" luxury car and I am seriously thinking of getting something more practical. Next buy, a suv that is good on gas that way I'll have room in a vehicle for a big dog:) a better reason to invest money in.

I don't think it's a subject that's off limits. I am like your dad, fairly good with money but at times carefree. I have some quite high limits on a number of credit cards, and so have to practice discipline. I do like my toys, and spend cyclically. I don't particularity like debt so tend to take time to pay my balances before I spend again. I like the doctor automatically saved at least 10% of my income over my work life, which wasn't missed once I got used to it, and it is definitely enabling me to live comfortably in retirement. I highly recommend saving a portion of your income because relying on a government pension down the road is not going to be enough. That time also coming a lot sooner than you think.

Happy belated birthday, I hope your day was extra special:)

Ok so I've been following this thread and it kinda belongs in rants and raves on that awfull site. It's kinda outa hand and has become a bitching point on this site. That's not what this site is about. My view is anyone can post special rates for whatever reason and I read all the reasons. But simply put when someone posts a rate it is cheap and not respectful to the ladies to try and get a better deal. This is not a flea market where one can say ill give you what I think your worth. That thought is disgusting. We're not talking about buying a blanket in a Mexican market here. We are talking about truly respectful ladies offering up an hour or so of very personal and intimate time. To think anything else is insulting to the ladies. Wow this should not even be a debatable topic on here. This is a service you should not only pay the price stated like on a menu but if the service is good a tip is always in order. To do otherwise is not showing good taste or manners. And if its out of your budget eat at McDonald's. Sincerely, Justhavinfun Remember the best tip............is not the tip of yer dick

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Dear MOD... How can you say it is NOT acceptable to negotiate when there are women who do negotiate? I appreciate 100% the ladies who state clearly in their ads NOT NEGOTIABLE and I respect that. I have always followed the NO means NO rules in life. You will always have guys who try to negotiate and you will always have girls who are willing to negotiate. That is a fact and it will never change. We just needs guys to respect the girls who say NON NEGOTIABLE.

I'm curious does more click have a direct noticeable difference in business sense or is it just people who are curious.

Do you think it is possible that some women here list prices that are on the high end, knowing that it gives them some wiggle room?

This thread seems to have morphed into a discussion of marketing strategy and more specifically pricing strategy. There are numerous pricing strategies that a business can adopt. Some of them have relevance to this industry, most don't. Selling "Price" If what you are "selling" is "price", it is difficult to be successful in any business. In general you're likely to attract clients who place more importance on low price and less importance on the quality of the service or product. As a result, those clients will generally be on the lookout for a "better" (i.e. lower) price. It makes customer retention difficult and encourages a race to the bottom of the market. Furthermore, in this industry, when a woman has to raise her rates (which has to happen sometime, even though it hasn't happened overall in the industry in quite a while), the client will likely go elsewhere. So if you've reduced prices and therefore your revenue and you don't have any significant cost cutting options to offset the reduced revenue, what do you do? The standard "marketing" response to this situation would be to increase the volume of sales. That's not so easily done in this industry for obvious reasons. Several women in this and other threads have described the unique challenges of being a service provider while maintaining their physical/emotional health and privacy etc. In addition, screening clients has been discussed on numerous occasions as a necessary step for personal safety and security. The higher the volume, the less time there is to do this properly and the greater the risks to the service provider. I think some are arguing that any customers receiving a price cut don't represent revenue loss, they represent new revenue from new customers the service provider wouldn't otherwise have. That's only correct if the service provider wants to increase the number of clients she sees in a day/week. Most commenting on this thread appear to be low volume service providers (whatever that number might be) and prefer to find other ways of optimizing their revenue (e.g. longer appointments, more frequent repeat clients or unique date activities). The whole idea behind the Girl Friend Experience for example is to provide intellectual and emotional interaction with the client that goes beyond just the sexual activity. Many clients place a substantial value on this. What Does Success Look Like? So what does success in a small business look like? The business is sustainable, with good customer retention (loyal regular/occasional customers). The business owner has good control over the costs relative to their revenues. And finally, there has to be sufficient profit to live comfortably. This includes a work life balance allowing sufficient time/money to enjoy recreation, family, friends and save for long term goals (e.g. go to school, start another business etc). Yes, I understand that not everyone is able to achieve all of this in life. It's been noted in previous threads that there is a high turnover of service providers in this industry. Most last only a few months to a couple of years. Most of the women who have posted on this thread however have been in this business for several years. Without knowing all of them personally, they appear by my definition to be successful. In part, though not exclusively, their success appears to be due to sticking with their pricing strategy and understanding who they seek as customers. It also appears to be based upon understanding their clients and being able to add value through services such as GFE. I think they are just trying to communicate an appreciation of that. This forum is unique in that the curtain is drawn back and allows clients to gain some insider appreciation of "the business". I think all business relationships are enhanced when clients have some appreciation of what it takes to achieve and sustain a successful business.

Congratulations and thanks to you, Eva!

Cristy, you are exactly right. Sexy is definately an all or none type thing. It's completely inate. Sexy lies in no way in the physical it's completely a subconcious way that a person carries theirself. Bottom line if you have to "try" to be sexy, you're not. Confidence as mentioned earlier is attractive but will not lead to sexy. I personally am a very confident person who can be very sensual and even seductive but I will never be sexy, I don't have it in me. Sexy and cool kind of go hand in hand you are or you are not. If it turns out that you are not sexy or cool and you really try to be by "acting" a certain way people will see through it. Cristy as the OP you hit it right on the head in the first post.

Sounds very reasonable to me! Why would she risk giving you an appointment when there are other people who've been more reliable wanting to book with her? If you don't want to pay her rebooking fee, then don't see her.