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Men who try to give us advice on this very particular business seem to miss the most important point: every woman has her price, and there will always be a man ready to pay it.

It amazes me how often this topic seems to come up in one form or another. If I've learned only one thing in the four years I've been on this site, it's that the surest way to piss off most sp's is to try to negotiate their rates. This is not a possession you are buying, it's a service. (And a damn amazing one at that!) Insulting the lady and making her feel bad about herself before a meeting is only going to lessen your own experience. (If it doesn't prevent you from having it altogether). Do you really think she is going to give you her all when you started the relationship in this manner? In many cases we are talking about maybe saving $20. If that $20 is that important to you, then you need a different hobby. I won't say that cost is never a factor in my decisions. I don't have an unlimited budget for this, as much as I would like to. If I find a lady is out of my budget at this time, I move on. I simply could never imagine asking a lady to reduce her rate. When she tells you her rates, she is saying "I feel I'm worth $X" , and you're replying "I disagree! I think you are only worth $Y. Turned on yet?" Seems like shooting yourself in the foot if you ask me.

I didnt post anything yet as I couldnt add more of what being said. Negotiation is a no-no. Comparing a house (few hundred thousand purchase) vs "sp rate" doesnt make sense! Bragging for 20-40$ is just plain cheap. Seeing escorts is not a necessity, but a luxury. Life is expensive, yes! But it is for everybody, Sps included! Btw, why should I take off 20$-40$ of my rate for YOU when other gentlemen will pay my full rate? Some guys will say its better than nothing but its funny how everytime I refuse some "generous" offer there is always another respectful gent who is happy to pay my full donation (wich I believe totally deserve) + tips! This is what I call karma!! :icon_razz:

When I first started, it was through an agency. There was a gentleman who called regularly & when we were asked to call him to try & book, it was stressed that we only use his name. He was a travelling businessman who met new people all the time & hated anonymous platitudes. He felt them terribly impersonal no matter what the industry & only ever called us by name too. Super guy, great manners. Since then, I only ever address a gentleman by his name in any & all communications & make an effort to use it often. Of course, I have been known to scream out " Holy Christ " or " Sweet Jesus " mid happiness. But that I can't stifle & so far, no one seems to mind .:wink: Sandi

I had an idea! To all those who believes its fair to negotiation someone salary, I will call your boss on Monday morning to take off couple hundred dollars of your paycheck. I can guarantee you that you will complain when its gonna be pay day!! This is EXAXCTLY the SAME thing! Fun isnt it???

To answer a question that was asked in this thread and as someone who writes explicit ads I will attest naughtier doesn't always get more business nor does a high volume of clicks. Some of my most viewed ads got no appointments and some of my less viewed ads got lots, go figure. I post my ads with my mood at the moment, the hornier I am the more graphic my ad. Sometimes I'll take a few moments to think of something more creative but most times I'm just posting how I feel at the moment which is how I feel most comfortable, some will like others won't. C'est La Vie:)

I love it when a man refers to me with a "term" so long as its complimentary I'm happy to hear it. As far as me referring to a man sometimes, I use babe or sweety, but I get the sense that a lot of men just like to hear their given name:)

This is a question for everyone. I'm curious at what point in the process of arranging an encounter are your nerves most on edge? Though perhaps 'anticipatory' or 'expectant' would be a better word. Basically, when does your heart start to beat just a little bit faster? For me, it's actually the wait after I send an initial email/pm that gives me a bit of the jitters. I spend what is probably a silly amount of time writing, rewriting, editing, deleting, going for a walk, and then writing again that first message. And I still end up wondering if I didn't include enough information. Or perhaps too much! Or inadvertently said something inappropriate. I still find myself holding my breath a moment each time I check my messages to see if there's been a reply. And my pulse never fails to pick up when one does arrive!

You are so sweet, your kindness, honesty and sexiness comes through all your posts and you should never question if someone will like what they see, for if they don't see you for all you are well their loss and a big one-just had to say:) Sorry Brad not hijacking just had to comment:)

Thank you Brad - good poll. To me it is opening the door. So many things are going through my mind. Will he like what he sees? Will he be happy? Is he going to be a nice guy? Am I going to be safe? Will there be problems? As soon as we hug though, it all goes away and I just enjoy myself.

It's not an inappropriate topic at all. In fact, if more people were well versed in money management, Canadians likely would not have the staggering debt loads that they do. Unfortunately, it's not something they teach you in school. How you handle your money is both a learned behavior and a choice. Both of my parents were good with money and imparted their ways on myself. However, once upon a time when I was young and foolish, I became enthralled with the novelty of the hobby and tended to spend a wee bit more on it than I really should have. Luckily, I realized the error of my ways and henceforth have stuck to a budget. Money management isn't rocket science; all that's needed is a bit of rudimentary knowledge. First, make sure you pay yourself. That is, whatever you earn - put aside at least 10% in savings and investments. It may seem like a daunting task at first but you'll get used to it. Case in point, I now invest over a third of my income and don't even flinch. You also need an emergency fund for, you guessed it - emergencies! Try to have on hand at least six months of income in your daily bank account in case something drastic happens and you can't work. At least you'll have money to live on without going into debt. Next , hire yourself a reputable financial advisor and listen! Some good starting points include setting up an RRSP so you can benefit from the tax breaks, maxing it out if you can, opening up a TFSA, putting excess monies into non-registered investments, and finally when you're on secure financial footing - investing in real estate. Granted, that's a lot to take in, and it won't happen overnight. It took me years to get to where I am today, but I can tell you without a doubt, it's all worth it. Your future self will thank you - trust me on this. The key is to start off slowly, but make sure you start - the sooner the better. Also, pick up some good books that will guide you through the basics ; "The Wealthy Barber" by David Chilton, The "Automatic Millionaire" by David Bach and a book by Kevin O'leary - I think it's called "The Truth On Men, Women and Money" will be greatly beneficial to you. Good luck!

Salma Heyak and Antonio Banderas in Desparado! I was 14 when I first saw it and have been hopelessly in love with Miss Heyak ever since!

The whole freaking process is incredibly erotic and exciting. Then the lady opens the door and I see her beauty and catch her scent.... Then for me it ratchets up from there.

I'm the most nervous/excited a few hours before an encounter. Once I get checked into my hotel and am getting the suite ready (gift bag with donation out, wine chilling etc) heart is pounding...surprised I don't slip and fall in the shower LOL just waiting for the knock on the door. About a half hour before the lady is to arrive the tv is turned off (more I want to make sure I hear her knocking) and my head turns, looking at the clock, looking at the door, back and forth, back and forth, heart a pitter pattering away. And I'm this way whether I'm seeing a lady for the first time or fifth time or fiftieth time And on occasion when I'm seeing a lady at her incall, heart is pitter pattering from the time I leave home till I arrive on time at the lady's place...and those trips are usually about 3 1/2 hours long, heart pounding all the way. One of those trips I even had Carly Simon's song "Anticipation" playing in my head And the day I don't feel that way about an encounter, well that is the day I pack it in A rambling RG

She has two pictures that strikes you immediately as too good to be true and, yes, tineye reveals the pictures are wallpapers of a professional model. Here's her ad on BP: Arriving the 25th... New From Toronto Mia - 20

With the exception of the MOD, you have the most posts of anyone on this board and I find that amazing because your posts reflect so much of you, your thoughts, your support, your respect and your all around awesome sauce! You are there for everyone, old and new, and share your thoughts and insights to both help, inform and to make us smile or laugh. You are a true community leader, one post at a time. Thank you for everything you do!!! PS. Sorry I was 25 posts late! tee hee

Wow my last post but who the fudge created a poll when I am the original op. had I known the impact I would have. Anyhow.....have fun y'all!

I find it's the person who is most comfortable in their own skin that is sexiest. Someone who knows their worth and isn't afraid to be themselves whether it be what they wear, what they say, how they say it or any number of things that make them who they are. Someone who is not out to impress anyone but is down to earth, authentic and open. A sense of humor is a must and especially the ability to laugh at themselves when needed. Taking oneself too seriously is definitely NOT sexy. Treating people well, intelligence, imagination, easy going, playful, non judgmental, accepting people for who they are....these are all things that I find extremely sexy. Looks play a part to sometimes guide you in but it's the personality that will keep you there.

Meeting my new dog!!!!!!!!!!!! Application submitted to adopt a little old lady pug girlfriend for my little old man pug :D :D :D He LOVED her, I can't wait to bring her home

I think I've always found something sexy in just about all the women I've ever met. I agree that sometimes it confidence, sometimes it's attitude, humour, how someone is dressed and all the other things the previous posters mentioned. Sometimes for me it how eager or interested they seem to be in me. Sometimes as simple as a touch on my arm when they are talking to me (for some reason I find that very hot). Perhaps how they tilt their head or brush the hair from their face. Could be a smile. Eye makeup. Their perfume might drive me wild. Often as simple as a lady looking me in the eye and smiling. As I re-read this, I think I just find the opposite sex, SEXY! Maybe my age. Maybe I'm just weird, but on any given day, any given woman will do something that I find sexy! :)

I find confident, well dressed women incredibly sexy!!! Yet a woman who can be relaxed and at ease while sitting on the sofa and carrying a conversation with me is also very sexy. A great sense of humour and the ability to laugh out loud is very attractive as well. :)

Oh Cristy, lady after my own heart. Those scenes were amazing. They had such Chemistry. My favorite from Wild Orchid has always been the couple in the abandoned building under the water while being watched by Carrie Otis' character but there were so many sexy scenes in that movie. Henry and June had some brilliantly sexy scenes as well. Actually so many movies do. I actually prefer an R rated scene to porn a lot of times because they capture that essence of sensuality and anticipation that porn doesn't have.

I feel that this is most certainly a learned behaviour. I was once a spendaholic, buying silly things, without really noticing the amount per month I would spend. But as I grew older, I learned thst the moment of thrill or satisfaction of buying these unnecessary items just did not buy happiness. I have learned the value of a dollar, and now buy bigger items, cars, houses, rrsp, etc is now my new obession. Bulding my bank, credit and therefore feeling like I have much more freedom. So in effect, I have traded my spending habits, into a making and saving habit. I had come to terms with the fact thoes jeans I really want, are only going to buy my hsppiness for about half a day, vs raising my credit score so that I know can buy houses, etc.. I feel this comes with maturity. I am happy that I figured this out at my age now rather than waiting till it was too late. I still have a ways to go, but I am getting there:)

I just wanted to give a give a big shout out to Katherine and Penelope for doing a bang up job organizing this year's social. I know things were a bit rocky for awhile, but you managed to pull it off in spades! It was great seeing old friends again, as well as meeting some new ones. It's so nice to be able to spend some quality social time with trusted and respected members of our little community. I hope it's a tradition that will continue...

I think a lot of it is learned behavior. My parents grew up in relative poverty (over half a dozen siblings each probably didn't help either). I'm actually not so sure if we had it better or not. Sure I wore hand-me downs from my uncles, and we recycled bikes and some toys, but why waste perfectly good stuff? Same stuff with food, we cleaned up our plates -- no waste. When I said I wasn't sure I had it better, is simply that while I was a child I had everything I needed, and a few things I wanted. My wants were kept reasonable, otherwise they'd just be fantasies. Now as a parent with decent income I feel very confused. I'll buy the generic brands at the grocery store to save a few dollars on that bill, and then go buy an electronic gizmo I don't really need for hundreds. I'll buy generic brands for groceries to save a buck or two, but order take-out two or three times a week. Sit on an office chair a buddy of yours picked up on a curb while playing on a high-end computer. Give the kids a hard time about wasting their allowance while secretely planning my next CERB encounter... (CERB isn't a waste of money, it's wellness therapy)

An old one ... Marlon Brando in "Last Tango in Paris" (great anal scene) and another old one ... Clint Eastwood in "Play Misty for me" (great daty scene)

I don't get nervous, sometimes I get excited though. I made it a practice in the past not to look at a mans profile before meeting him as I liked to be surprised but I've since learned that its a much better idea to read his posts, recos, and search to see who he's visited with to decide if a meeting would be a good idea. This saves great disappointments and awkward moments. Then I can get excited about the thoughts of how we will interact and all the other naughty details to come;)

I'm with you Brad, I'm constantly rewriting and proof reading when I send an email or pm. Then if I don't get a prompt response, I always think I said something stupid or offensive. And then when I do get a response, I think I get the most nervous right before I open it! I've gotten better in the year and a half that I've been doing this but there are still some nerves.

Me unequivocally NO NEGOTIATING Something a gentleman wouldn't do to a lady Even if a lady says she allows negotiating (something I haven't run into btw) her first opening rate if you will is what I'll pay. I won't negotiate. Only she knows what her time is worth, what her expenses are and so on. It's IMHO devaluing a lady for me or any man to even suggest a donation when the lady is providing her companionship, which has an intangible value far exceeding any donation that could be asked for RG

Jessica Lange and Jack Nicholson The Postman Always Rings Twice RG

It has been a while since I last saw it, but I first saw Body Heat when I was at an impressionable age and I guess it stuck with me.

http://news.ca.msn.com/local/newbrunswick/codiac-rcmp-strikes-task-force-on-sex-trade-workers The Codiac RCMP is striking a task force and is promising to take a gentler approach when it comes to dealing with sex trade workers in Moncton. The police arrested 11 sex-trade workers last week in downtown Moncton, a move that angered many groups who help vulnerable people in the city. Angie Arsenault-Daigle, a nurse practitioner at the Salvus Clinic in Moncton, a medical clinic for disadvantaged people, said she met with the RCMP this week following the arrests. Arsenault-Daigle said the police are creating a task force and have agreed to take an alternative approach when dealing with sex-trade workers. "I think those are really important steps by the RCMP, so I'm hopeful that this task force that's going to happen is going to be a positive step forward for the girls," she said. Arsenault-Daigle said the meeting with the police was important so they could articulate their points of view. "We did kind of get together to say, 'OK, what can we do to try to help the girls a little bit,'" she said. "We do want to make sure the girls have a voice and that they get the same respect for their human rights as anybody else would." The RCMP refused to do an interview about the task force or how the police will deal differently with sex-trade workers in the future. However, a police official said in an email it has been working on this initiative for a while and it says the new approach is unrelated to the recent arrests. Laws need to be changed, sociologist says One expert in the sex-trade industry said naming task forces and changing policies only go so far. Gayle MacDonald, a sociology professor at St. Thomas University in Fredericton and an author of the book, Sex Workers in the Maritimes Talk Back, said the laws need to change before the lives of sex-trade workers can really improve. "Police are destined, by the nature of their job description to go after the most vulnerable, that's the problem, even if a police officer doesn't want to arrest someone, that's their job," she said. Prostitution itself is not illegal in Canada, though many of the key activities surrounding it are banned under three sections of the Criminal Code. For instance, there are prohibitions on keeping a bawdy house, communicating for the purposes of prostitution or living off the avails of prostitution. The Supreme Court of Canada heard a case in June, challenging the laws restricting the sale of sex.

A house is a tangible object but NOT THE PERSON SELLING IT! Its apparently ok to negotiate and shortchange this PERSON but in this industry it is disrespectful. With a lot of ladies advertising rates non- negotiable what does that say about the ones who don't? Were suppose to think that they forgot to mention this in their add but the same applies to them? The ladies here are quite intelligent and give a lot of thought to their adds. If its not written in their adds its not silly for one to ask. Simple solution here. Put it in your add.

I hope it isn't a deal breaker, since I think the majority of clients would soon find themselves out of sps to see. I haven't seen a significant increase of legit (as in not using fake pics) sps using face pics, and there has always been both a combination of sps who are new to the biz and doing it without understanding the consequences in the future along with the higher end type escorts where this is actually the norm rather than the exception. For most of us, it isn't an option to even consider. I'd certainly never agree to send over the internet a photo of myself to a potential client. I find the main reason guys even ask for any pics is they are up to no good, picture collectors, not legit callers, etc. I suggested to someone else once who is OK with face pics but had the same cross border concerns you have to put the pics into a private gallery on her site, and then the only ones who gain access to the face photos have to go thru her first, register on her site, or whatever they would have to do. That would keep her face pic from just being out there easily accessible to border security or even family members doing some kind of tin eye search (i don't know why they would do this, people are strange, especially when they are family, it is just an example of what's the worst that could happen lol)

Absolutely not a deal breaker by any stretch of the imagination. For some ladies they are comfortable showing photos of their face, and those ladies should be respected for doing so But there are many ladies who chose not to show their faces and they too should be respected for that decision. Many enter this profession just for a short time. Many hold other jobs. Some have families And a lot do not want photos of their faces or knowledge that they were in this lifestyle to come out publically. There is an old adage, once a picture is posted on the internet, it is there for good. And some ladies don't want a picture of their face (associated with this lifestyle) to come back at a future date to haunt them, like maybe when they are no longer involved with this lifestyle. So my opinion, a lady should do what she is comfortable doing, and whatever decision she comes to, it needs to be respected A rambling RG

Congratulations RG on reaching 9000 posts!!! :D

Ditto on Halle & Billy scene. A couple of close seconds was Mickey Rourke in a couple of his movies, but can't remember the names. Lisa Bonnet was in one and her first nude scene I believe. All the choices are great and my age is given away when I say I have seen them all. There was one other girl on girl scene, I think it was in Mullholland something or other, lol, an amnesiac lady moves in with a cute blonde and there is a great make out session when they go to bed in the evening

Happy Birthday! Hope it's amazing!

Have a fantastic birthday filled with everything that makes you smile, giggle and happy dance. Enjoy!

Happy birthday Malika. Hope it is a great one!

I think I will always feel a bit of nervous excitment when meeting a lady for the first time. I remember seeing a now retired lady. I saw her numerous times. Each time I arrived at her place I could hear her steps in heels on hard wood floor through the door. Always made my heart skip a beat in anticipation.

well, my first attempt at a tumbler link didn't work (I tried to get a picture on Tumblr, but it would show up in the posting , but here is a link to a nice image https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=183530738489080&set=pb.173813232794164.-2207520000.1374900546.&type=3&theater

And it doesn't get better with the "Z's" Zorro The Gay Blade RG

In my Opinion.. Respect should be given automatically...., but what can happen is that repect can be lost due to a persons behaviour or showing lack of respect for others...

RG, everything you say is absolutely true about a haggler trying to make what really amounts to a trivial monetary gain for himself from a lady at perhaps a vulnerable moment in time. Thankfully there are many gentleman out there who realise this and have enough class, and respect for the wonderful women we have the privilege of knowing try to defend the cause. I realise that men like you and I hold all of the ladies we know with a great deal of importance for the pleasure of the companionship (even friendship) they bring to our lives. So I understand why you choose to fight so hard against apparent disrespect for our friends and their livelihoods. Sadly, there are those "boys" among us that consider the SP's they visit as nothing more than the next cum shot. I have chosen to stay away from this thread beyond my first post because like you I have very strong feelings on this matter that would in all likelihood get me booted off CERB for expressing my real feelings on this matter. I have to agree with Miss Laurence I think you're wasting your valuable time trying to convert those wayward boys to see the ladies many of whom we consider our friends as something more than an object for their use. At this point you're only helping the one trick pony Craigyboy build up his post count. Let it go RG and send some of your friends a thank you for putting up with the bad ones out there so that we can continue to experience the joy they bring to our lives. Cheers from a surprisingly calm Chuck. As an after thought I decided to add this because there does seem to be a lack of understanding by some of the proponents for Negotiating/Haggling as to why many gentleman and ladies here seem to so vehemently defend our CERB ladies and friends on this issue. You see as a "rule", our Cerb community is one based deeply on respect and a mutual admiration that has built over time. There are many reasons why this has happened however this "Happy Hobbiest" post by Old Dog is a reflection of many of the relationships that have been built here over time. Some relationships going well beyond the physical interaction of clients and SP's to a level of friendship of sorts. If you read this thread you'll get a small glimpse of why some seem to attack you so harshly when it might be seen that you as a negotiator/haggler may not be applying what we deem to be sufficient levels of respect to those we may care about. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=436687&highlight=heart+attack#post436687

Hello, it's been a while since i did a review(this isn't a full on review) so i shall share an experience with the one they call amber on bP. this sp is in the south end of the city, i'm not sure if we can put the names of the hotel on here, so i won't but you can PM me if you wish. We discussed the rates over texting at first, then we agree. So i call her and no answer, i wait and no text back. 8 mins later i call again and she answers, to confirm the appointment we set up a time. I arrive later at this in call, this is where it get's kind of weird (IF ANYONE HAS SEEN THIS SP AND HAS A DIFFERENT TAKE) then by all means please share your experience? i walk into her room, and she is sweet easy going, then i hear a deep cough from the bathroom, i ask oh roommate? friend? she says oh yea that is my friend HE is just hanging out but will leave soon. so at this point i feel un easy, then comes a knocking at the door, and its her other friend, also a male. then their voices go low, and she doesn't completely shut the door, just the outside door with the screen, and the inside door partially open. i tell her i don't feel comfortable -she says its ok, they know what i am doing, they won't bother us. we talk again and i ask her, on your ad, you said you are latina? so i switched language and started talking espanol. She just laughs and says i am part latina -i don't know what you are saying, so its fine. then i just sat there quiet, as she the same. She didn't ask for the donation, nor did her friend come out from that bathroom, and it was very uneasy silence and then a few mins tick by and she asks if we are gonna do this or what? i said yea sure once your friend leaves that bathroom and you close the door completely-if you are too scared i will just leave promptly. she seemed unsure what to do next or even reply-then i bolted out that screen door quickly, her friend smoking outside yelled at me, i didn't turn back once and continued to run down pembina, cross the street and was able to run into that bar with those theater masks on the signs, sorry i don't know what that place is called, i just remember seeing those happy and sad masks on the outside. Anyways, i'm going to check out the recommendations now on this board and just stick to those reviews. i hope someone out there had a safer experience. (who knows maybe i just became too paranoid and her male friends were just hanging out doing whatever)

Congrats EvaAdore on the 100 post mark....

As much as you are gentle seeing ladies, I personally I feel the correct term would be "client".

Thanks for your sympathies Gabriella. I've, of course, gotten over that experience, I actually took a valuable lesson away from that appointment in particular, so at least it wasn't a total loss. For the sake of clarity, the lady in question was an established touring lady who used to work at a reputable agency and had recommendations from her travels overseas. I couldn't find anything on CERB, but I knew she just started touring Canada and her previous market has its own board (which is part of the lessons I've learned, fully investigate every potential meeting). I later found out that others had experienced similar things with her, but due to CERB's no negative reviews policy (not questioning or complaining, merely stating the fact) were not allowed to share their warnings. If I could summarize my thoughts on the subject I'd say the following: As a hobbyist you don't always get what you pay for. Sometimes you get more, sometimes you get less. In order to assure that any potential appointment goes well its the hobbyist's responsibility to thoroughly investigate the lady and to properly prepare for the meeting (shower, shave, brush, scrub, etc etc). And even when you've done all of this, just because one lady charges more than the other, it doesn't mean that the more expensive lady will provide the better service. Unfortunately you can't know how the encounter will unfold until its started unfolding. There are so many factors that come in to play when it comes to having a great encounter and no one can control all of them. You do everything you can and hope the things you can't control fall into place. The only consideration a ladies' price should take in your mind is whether or not you can afford that price. Don't base your expectations regarding service on the price you're paying, as you might be disappointed. Instead, base your expectations on the investigation you just performed and your interactions (emails, phone calls, text messages, etc) with the lady in question. I've gotten less for more and more for less as a hobbyist. And while I understand the compulsion of some ladies to try and integrate the "get what you pay for" mentality into the mind of hobbyists, I think that at its core it is misleading and want to share my experiences to let others know that they don't always HAVE to pay 300 an hour for a good experience.