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Fuck Your Morals. ;) Just Kidding..... Ish. I do chemistry not Math. I have had some great conversations and connections with people through texting or Private messages and get this preconceived idea of who they are in my mind- I pick an age, and hair colour and all sorts of crap- then I actually meet them- and im shocked- that theyre either waaay younger or waaaaay older. At first I feel jipped lol. and a sudden loss of attraction to the mystery man I had conversed with. But then....I realize they are still who they were through the screen- Their sexy shone through then- so why let our brains or eyes rob ourselves from experiencing all the sexy people can surprisingly offer us? Morals/Ethics aren't set in stone. What you feel is 'right' one day may be trivial or non existent the next. Dont let your own brain hinder you from enjoying life..... Whether you're 18 or 81 ;) Giddy Up. *Remember To Live*

There are certainly a few things that come to mind, and I think I have mentioned this before but it's special to me... It's only since I started playing as a companion that I learned how to achieve orgasm from receiving oral sex. I had always enjoyed the feeling, but had never actually climaxed from it before I was an escort! And now it is my very favourite way to orgasm... mmmm I just love it! And the orgasms continue to get more and more intense too! This also helped to prove to me how much sex really was in my head. In my mind, I knew this to be true, but this really made me see it more clearly. I previously thought that I simply just couldn't cum that way - then once I focussed on making it happen, and then it finally did - I knew it could happen - so then it was easily possible all the time. :)

My preference, or any guy's preference isn't what matters. What matters is what is the lady's preference. If she prefers to be natural, she should remain natural. If she wants to have implants, she should get implants. But whatever her decision, it should be her decision, done for herself, not for someone else be it bf/cl/husband or even clients BTW the ladies I see don't tell me how to "improve" be it Rogaine because I'm follically challenged (I'm bald LOL) or weight loss, they see me for the man I am. Likewise, the women are beautiful, and don't need some guy telling them how to "improve" when no improvement is needed. I see them for the ladies they are Hope that comes out right A rambling RG

A young lady 18 or 19 would be too young for me no matter how mature. I look at 18 & 19 year old's as girls, not grown women. It may have to do with my values, what I was taught growing up, because I'm a dad, the fact that I am in my very late 50's! I frequent a restaurant that has University aged girls working there and to me they look like they are around 15, 16 or 17 in that age group. One of them I know is in her 3rd year of university and is 20 years old, but to me she doesn't look anymore than 16. She did tell me she gets carded all the time when she is out. The other young lady opens & serves alcoholic beverages so she has to be 18 I believe, to open the beverage here in Halifax Nova Scotia. I have nothing against Men who choose to see these 18-19 year old women so long as they are of legal age here in Canada. It just isn't something that I would choose to do. They look too much like little girls to me! My 5 cents worth on the topic

Being a member of Cerb for approximately four plus years and hobbying for years previously, I would recommend the following: -Paradise Spa, great owners who pay attention to what is going on, very clean facility, fresh smelling showers and towels. Most importantly, the Ladies are first class, pretty/beautiful, a range of ages, pretty/beautiful, attentive, sexy and drama free. Easy to get to in the west end or very easy access to the 417. -Angels Touch, same owners as above, only thing missing from here that PS has is a hot tub. Again, very clean, fresh smelling towels and showers, hot sexy Ladies, easy access to central and downtown Ottawa. Then there are a number of very sexy Ladies that offer incall facilities for massage only, not full service!: -Claire Heavens, a busy little Lady who provides an awesome experience -Michaella (she is going to spank me for misspelling her name) Caress, one of the many Ladies here on Cerb who are going back to uni or college -Erin is a lovely lady also in the west end who is sweet, provides a great massage and is well worth your time to visit -Katrine Cannon is a very skilled Lady, who is on the Quebec side of the river, but easy to get to Also available are Dom sessions with Ms. Samantha and Samantha who are right downtown. Finally, there are a great number of Pretty, Sexy, and SANE Ladies who offer massage as well as full service; Mature Jen, Mature Lee, Angela (she with the walking cast!), Vanessa Vale, Carrie Moon and a whole host of others that I am going brain dead trying to get names correct. As always, cruise thru Cerb listings, and if you see someone that catches your fancy, reach out and send them a note, call and speak to them, they won't bite unless you ask them to! Also read Cowboy Kenny's blog on a regular basis to keep up with the scammers who are out there! Good luck! Apologies to any ladies I have been a client of and have left off this list.

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Younger women are fantastic.....tight bodies, perky boobs, no wrinkles. Having said that, I'm an older woman type of guy. I'm 55 and comfortable in my skin. So are older women. I have a crazy unpredictable schedule that makes it extremely hard to line up a visit with my favorite Sp at 4 pm on Saturday 100 miles away. My type of girl knows I'm doing my best and understands that life gets in the way at times and if I'm late, she still loves me. No drama, no bs......we're friends, if only briefly. I'm not inconsiderate of their lives or their schedules, but even trying my best doesn't always work. If they can work things out, they do, and if they cannot, it's my fault....they still get paid. Older ladies get back to you with facts, Jack. They don't have time for giggling and incessant chatter....neither do I. The reasons above are why I love and am comfortable with older (30+ ladies). It's all part of the GFE..we relate. Younger women are fantastic, but I am no longer a younger man. Andy Rooney said it better than I ever could........... "In Praise of Older Women Andy Rooney says, "As I grow in age, I value older women most of all. Here are just a few reasons why: An older woman will never wake you in the middle of the night to ask, "What are you thinking?" She doesn't care what you think. An older woman knows herself well enough to be assured in who she is, what she is, what she wants and from whom. Few women past the age of 50 give a damn what you might think about her. An older single woman usually has had her fill of "meaningful relationships" and "commitment." The last thing she needs in her life is another dopey, clingy, whiny, dependent lover! Older women are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you if they think they can get away with it. Most older women cook well. They care about cleanliness and are generous with praise, often undeserved. An older woman has the self-assurance to introduce you to her women friends. A younger woman with a man will often ignore even her best friend because she doesn't trust the guy with other women. Older women couldn't care less. Women get psychic as they age. You never have to confess your sins to an older woman. They always know. An older woman looks good wearing bright red lipstick. This is not true of younger women or drag queens. Once you get past a wrinkle or two, an older woman is far sexier than her younger counterpart. Her libido's stronger, her fear of pregnancy gone. Her experience of lovemaking is honed and reciprocal and she's lived long enough to know how to please a man in ways her daughter could never dream of. (Young men, you have something to look forward to.) Older women are forthright and honest. They'll tell you right off you are a jerk if you are acting like one. Yes, we praise older women for a multitude of reasons. Unfortunately, it's not reciprocal. For every stunning, smart, well-coifed babe of 70 there is a bald, paunchy relic in yellow pants making a fool of himself with some 22 year old waitress. Ladies, I apologize for all of us. That men are genetically inferior is no secret. Count your blessings that we die off at a far younger age, leaving you the best part of your lives to appreciate the exquisite woman you've become, without the distraction of some demanding old man clinging and whining his way into your serenity." signed: Andy Rooney"

I really have no strong preference. I find the important appendage resides above the neck. If we get along well and there's something physical that's not up to par, that's what eyelids and light switches are for.........for me AND her!

Age and attraction are two different concepts. Attraction is an emotional and psychological process. Determining whether it is right or wrong based on age is a cognitive process built by culture, media, social learning, etc. I've never been with a woman older than myself, but have felt that several of them were older in the way they acted. Often, but not usually, you can't place the personality with the age. Scrb. Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515a using Tapatalk 2

Thanks for the mentions boys! I do offer CIM, and both Ms Bardot and I have spent time doing massage in the past, and we do duos together, so purrhaps we may offer what you're looking for - but as mentioned, I do not swallow

We all remember where we were September 11th. A dozen years later, the wound has left behind a scar to remind of us of that sombre day of ash and tears, where history was forced in a new, darker direction at the expense of nearly 3000 lives. Sons and Daughters. Mothers and Fathers. Wives and Husbands. Family. Friend. Hero. Today, each and every one of us should spare a thought to remember them.

Found out that I am going to be a Grand parent for the first time :)

Deepthroating.. that is definitely something where boundaries can be pushed further and further. As long as it's consentual, safe and not done with intent force, it is something that has the potential to be extremely intense and such a turn on.

JUST TO CLARIFY... I in no way condone men seeing under aged sex workers. It is illegal, that's obvious. My words were simply my experience as a young woman who preferred older men and still does. I'm not encouraging any hobbyist to seek out underaged girls... cat

I have found this thread really interesting. I started work at 18 by my own volition and never found the clients I serviced to be seedy or slimy. That said, I looked in my mid 20's and seldom was I asked about my age. I knew what I was getting into, had given it a couple of years of thought before hand and I've never regretted the decision. I have a fairly strong personality and have never had a problem handling men even at 18. I could have easily worked at 16 from an emotional maturity stand point. The foundation for my business today was there already as a teenager and I've changed little in the way of customer service since I started. On a personal level, I'm divided by the "18 is acceptable" mentality. At 16 I started dating older men in their late 20's whom I met thru my older sister. I looked well over 18 and they never asked my age until we had been dating awhile. Most times I lied about being older and it was never questioned. By the time I was 18, I graduated to men over 40 and I have preferred men at least 15-20 years my senior ever since. Boys my own age held no interest for me. I didn't want to go to parties where everyone drank themselves into oblivion and pawed at me; I didn't want to hang out watching videos and making out on the couch or driving around. I wanted to go and do things. I loved live theater, racing of any sort, good restaurants and intelligent conversation. I wanted to travel and see the world outside of the little bit of swamp I grew up in. Boys my own age didn't do those sorts of things. The sex part of the dating was secondary to me. The intimacy was fun, I learned so much and I would do it again in a heart beat. I think older men can offer a better quality relationship because they are experienced. That said, there needs to be more on the mans mind than just getting into a young girls pants. Predators are always disgusting but I don't think we should paint all men with the same brush just because they end up in a relationship with a younger than 18 year old woman. Two of my daughters are involved with older men and I would say it's been a good thing. My 21 year old has lived with a man 17 years her senior for 3 years and is helping raise his 3 sons while attending University full time. They met when she was 17 and she moved in on her 18th birthday. Many were appalled and her step mom tried to have him arrested before she turned 18. I know my daughter, this man didn't take advantage of her; if anything, she took advantage of him. She has had the best 3 years of her life since 9/11 hit and the sky fell in on our family. My other daughter is 23 and dating a man my age. He provides her with opportunities she would never have on her own or dating a man her own age. He adores her and she him. They aren't marriage minded but they live together and seem happy. She's learning about being a grown up from someone she will listen to (God knows she doesn't listen to me or her father) and seems to be getting pretty good advice from him. Our society seems to forget that teenage girls mature faster than their male peers and some of these young ladies are more than ready to experience life with someone who can show them what's out there. The only relationship I had with someone my own age was with the father of my children and while I don't regret it on any level, I do think my life today would be very different if I had stayed true to my nature and married someone more mature... cat

I had a fantastic duo with Cleo and Sara McQ a few years ago...totally awesome, but with respect to the OP's criteria, Cleo = no swallow...which in no way diminishes how awesome she is IMHO!

When you contact the lady be open and upfront with her. Provide her with your real name, board handle (confirmed by PM, I assume she is a lady on CERB) contact phone number and email. Explain to her this is your first time seeing an escort and there isn't a companion who can provide a reference for you. She will likely have other ways to verify you I don't think being a student will be an issue, just so long as you can pay her donation in full. In your email be polite, respectful, in short, be a gentleman Good luck RG

I originally posted this as a response to an existing thread - it really should have been in the reco section. In a word - "Yummy". She has many virtues: shy, honest, curvy, willing to please (YMMV) and above all; genuine. French background but speaks English very well. Communication was not a problem for me. I'm smiling just thinking about her. I am very happy with my experience because it wasn't assembly-line. She is a shy person by nature, but she provided a warm, relaxed and welcoming atmosphere. That meant a lot to me. I had some requests which she happily accepted. She isn't a spinner, but man - there's a wonderful gfe feeling about her. She is someone who you can really like, trust and develop a very nice rapport. She is not a high-intensity, movie-groaning, PSE lady. She's all natural. For those who are looking for long labia - she's got 'em. For those gents who are looking for a gentle, and sensual experience, I strongly encourage you to book some time with Rebecca. Recommended - Yep Clean - Yep Attentive - Yep Non Enhanced - Yep Sensitive to your needs (unless you're an AH) - Yep

And if all that tells you to make contact, then take the time to talk to the sp. Not endless emails or texts with long stories of what your fantasy is, but a short chat to find out a little about her personality. Takes 5 minutes of your time, and may be the difference between a good time and a mistake. Every time i have read a bad review, i would go and look at the ad (in the days of CL erotic ads) and shake my head as if to say, well, what did you really expect. If it were me, they would have lost me at the ad itself, the presentation, the spelling, the wild symbols, and text spelling, and what seems like a million other things, including one line, phone # and 5 pics being the total of the ad lol., Sps who care about their business, care about how they present themselves from the minute their title catches your eye to the end of the ad. That's why we are so miffed when people call and they didn't take the time to read all the way to the end of the ad, the part with all the important info they are now calling to ask us.

Gents, Eva Pearl is a Gem you do not want to miss. (no pun intended). She is from Montreal and has visited Ottawa a few times. Went to meet her today and I must say that she is a fabulous lady and i'll definitely be back....looks, attitude, smile, enthusiasm, she is soooo Hot! Definitely a Victoria's Secret Model type....beautiful face, body, sense of humour, beautiful lingerie, manicured nails, everything, she is the total package if you are looking for a truely amazing GF experience. I met her at the door and I was Wowed! I'm not going to get into details, but suffice it to say that she is a very beautiful, energetic, enthusiastic, fun and hot lady. We really enjoyed our session :-) She will make you feel weak at the knees and the experience getting there is incredible. She is really alot of fun and you can tell she enjoys what she does. Treat her well gents! We definitely want her back in Ottawa often :-)

What do you like about shoes? Do you even know how many pairs of shoes you own? Do you really wear all of them? Are woman the only ones that have an obsession of shoes? Do women like certain shoes for men? I own 5, and each have a purpose. Work boots Winter boots Running shoes new An old pair of running shoes I don't mind working without worrying they'll get ruined Recently this summer I bought my first pair of flip floppy sandal perfect for when I'm to lazy to find sox lol. I hate finding matching socks. Must admit I love a nice pair of heel on a women and suede boots sexy.

I agree with one provision: that's equally true of both sexes. If you're a doormat for your partner, that partner will eventually tire of you. Relationships are supposed to challenge us and help us grow beyond who were are when they start. Our partners should be our equals who support us and who we support in turn... not mere providers for a particular set of needs when we happen to feel like it. As others have said already, there's too little information in the original post to offer specific advice. But on the assumption that the OP is looking for just some general advice that can apply to all relationships, I'll offer this random list, which has a common theme of communication: a) Know what kind of things you expect from your relationship in the short, medium, and long term. Make sure you and your partner are on the same page with respect to where you're going, and when you want to hit the milestones on the way. (Even if the answer is "meh, let's just see what happens," that's cool as long as you both feel the same way. Find out.) b) Recognize that your partner is just a regular person, not a magical answer to all your dreams. Most of us start out with pretty dreamy, mostly unspoken ideas of what our partner should be like and all the wonderful things they should do for our lives. But if you're going to be with someone for a long time, learn to measure them for who they really are and where they're going, not just by counting how many of your personal boxes they tick and how often. c) Respect your partner as a separate person, and make sure they respect you. Every relationship has a power dynamic. It's okay if one of you is stronger than the other in some things or at some times (money? social skills? knowing how to do particular stuff?); but this should balance out in the big picture with contributions in other areas. If not, this WILL create tension and could doom things in time. d) Grow together. Don't stop working at life just because you've got someone. Be on the same page about this. e) money: the scourge of so many relationships. Work out a budget together (for immediate and long-term stuff), figure out how much you should each contribute to a joint account to cover those joint expenses. The rest of your earnings (such as they are) are yours to spend however you like, so agree ahead of time not to hassle each other about how you spend it. If he's covering his contributions to household, mortgage and savings, don't hassle him when he adds to his collection of Star Wars action figures! And you, mister, be quiet about the shoes! (Or, you know, vice versa.) I could go on but that'll do for now. Would be happy to see how others would add to the list.

To each his/her qwn.....personally I like both, natural and enhanced, it's all good to me. And Cristy yours look simply superb as is!

It's very hard to give advice on relationship when you don't know the people and unsure of their problems. Only thing I would suggest is communication and he tells her how he feels.

I love them, not sure why and I have to many to count. Shoes, boots, sandals, flats, pointed toes, rounded toes, wedges, mules, booties, sneakers, toms(now my faves),Stilettoes, the higher the better. I feel sexier more feminine in high heels but I also love a cute flat. Whatever will flatter the outfit I have on and suits my mood that day I'll wear. Great thread:)

:) Carry on, with gusto!

The world is indeed a small place. I have relatives in the United States. One is my cousin who was in the US Air Force, assigned to the Pentagon. Just by chance his office and other's offices were having renovations done on them, so they actually worked out of an office building, not the actual Pentagon while renovation work was going on. He could have been killed except that they were doing renovations in his office area And my second cousin, works as a manager in some company in Long Island. On 9/11 she had a meeting at the WTC. On her way to the meeting she received a call that the meeting was cancelled. Had the meeting not been cancelled she could have been killed And finally, at work, a co-worker's daughter was touring in NYC. After the attacks he couldn't get a hold of his daughter for two days. Never seen a man so scared waiting for bad news, and when she finally got a hold of him, never saw a man so happy that his daughter was alive RG

Do chickens even *have* nipples? I suspect not, but now I'm wondering...

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Happy Birthday Luv! I hope you had a great day! xo

Happy birthday Emiafish Enjoy your special day RG

Well that just goes to show that you can't trust my memory! Next time I'll keep my big mouth shut and let the ladies speak for themselves. On the upside, this means Ms Bardot has now been added to my hobby list! Yay!!!!!!!!

This is the OP's original question, we are talking about seeing teenagers in this business which may be legal but is it ethical. Additional Comments: Now this is what you are arguing, basically it's ok to have sex with an underage child, be it man with underage girl, or woman with underage boy. Mind you, you never said anything about a man with underage boy or woman with underage girl. Since this thread is about seeing teenage companions, even if legal is it ethical, are you arguing about seeing underage escorts. Honestly beyond your obvious disdain for a minimum legal age, I don't know. And for fact, the minimum legal age in Canada isn't an abstraction, it's real, set out in the Criminal Code of Canada. you don't like it, go to France or Sweden. But French law or Swedish law applies to France or Sweden, not to Canada Just how low in age do you want to go? http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=511551#post511551 Why this thread, apparently in Yemini it is legal for a "man" to marry a 8 year old...do you think the age should be lowered to 8 now if your argument for lower legal ages is other countries do it. Law of the land in Canada is 18 years old. Don't like it, go find another country to live in catering to your predilections. And one more thing, maybe you should read the CERB Rules & FAQ. Couple copied and pasted here for you Streetwalkers - Car Dates - FS MASSAGE SPA'S - ETC .... (ALL ILLEGAL IN CANADA)We DO NOT discuss ILLEGAL activities here. This includes. - Streetwalkers (Public prostitution is illegal) - Car Dates (Something streetwalkers do - public prostitution is illegal in Canada) - FS Commercial unit (Massage Spa - Brothel - etc... are all considered common bawdy houses and illegal) - Underage Prostitution - Drugs - Etc... Please use common sense people! You must be 18 years of age older to participate, advertise or be advertised or discussed on cerb You must be of legal age (That is 18+ years of age in Canada) to use (AND JOIN) this website. We may ask you to prove your legal age if at anytime your legal age is in question. If you are under the legal age of 18 you are not welcome to post on this site and you should not be involved in this business.. If you are asked for proof of age and you refuse a bulletin will be posted on the site and your name will be added to the DNR LIST (Do not recommend or discus list) and you will not be allowed to post here, all posts about you will be removed and we will tell the members why you have been placed on this list. Just finding this advocating of seeing someone underage, especially on a thread talking about seeing teenage legal aged companions disturbing to say the least. Eighteen years old is the real and true age in Canada, not some abstraction. Find out how well your arguments go in Court if caught and charged by the police having sex with someone underage. RG

Only a couple days this week to get to spend some time with me...come and find out what sensuality is all about! Ill be available thursday 10-10 in the west end Friday I'll be at our party from 12-late, if youre not a member this is your chance to come in as my guest. PM me for details or call 613-523-6199

Good for you...an Sp told me once...you shouldn't have a plan when it comes to what happens during a rendez vous. Wise words...good advice!

All of the Mp/Mas' listed are wonderful, but if I was visiting, and had only one experience available, then the Jessica experience is not to be missed.... Her hours are curtailed for school, but good luck

The BBBJ and CIM is often a YMMV thing. However I can also suggest Kathryn Bardot, who has a background as an MA and does duos with others of similar background. Not sure they will accommodate all you want, but it is worth a query to the lady.

As the father of 2 girls, 15 and 18 there is no way I could ever see an SP under the age of 20. Even 25. I know it's different for everyone but for me personally, I couldn't do it. If my daughters were 25 and 28, I'm not sure how I would feel. 30-40 seems just about right, for me.

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^^ and that when he makes an appointment, he shows up to the appointment. If the sp you saw isn't in the online community, it doesn't mean that she is inaccessible. You would contact her to see if she is reference friendly, and if she is, then let her know you would like to use her as a reference for yourself for (name the sp). She may provide an email contact. You'd give the new sp the contact info and let her know the sp is expecting to be contacted by her. if the sp you have chosen just doesn't have an alternative, there are other sps available who can, I am sure. And considering what you have mentioned in your original post, do not rule out an MA as not being 'worth it'. If you are new to this, an MA may actually be your better option, considering in your first appointment there were some concerns. You may need the different kind of care and attention that comes with an MA experience, just to get your feet wet, so to speak, without the pressure of having to have an erection to get to the 'worth it' point that comes with an sp :)

I think it has been established in this thread thus far that there will always be someone trying to negotiate. As an SP, I will always anticipate this. I don't care if someone tries to ask me because I know what the answer is and it's going to be a resounding "No". However, it is another thing contacting an SP knowing full well and already stated that her rates are NON-NEGOTIABLE and someone trying to haggle them down. The real issue here is that *some* men ( not all) feel self entitled to be able to meet whomever they feel like and demand this sort of thing or not let up when the answer is already no. I've only had one person try and do this to me and I hung up on him. It's like he thought that he was entitled to see me for the rate that HE felt like paying and really got enraged when I declined. He claims that in his country they barter. I realize that bartering is considered the norm in other cultures and countries but for lack of better words, you're bargining for what is supposed to be an intimate service and this is insulting. Don't tell me what you think my pussy is worth to put it so bluntly. I told him where to go and hung up on him because he would not take no for an answer and became really irrate. Did he really think I would care to seem him after that display of rage? Not on your life. I've come across these sorts of customers in other businesses that I have worked in and when they become really irrate and the attacks become personal, that's when I remove myself from the situation. Some men out there also fail to realize that when being an SP, we also have to incur certain costs. For me, that is using someone else's location. Right now I have 3 different locations I use and since they are not mine, I have to pay by the appt to use it. So when I charge my quoted rate for a half hour, a small percentage of it is gone even though I am independent. I like doing it this way for various reasons and have no problems paying for space by the appt. So when someone is trying to low ball me, they are not even taking this into consideration and don't seem to care when I tell them. Plus I have to pay for gas to drive from one end of the city to another and with the vehicle I drive, it's not that cheap but I had already taken that into consideration when I determined what my rates would be. So after everything is said and done, I am out a minimum $40 on just a half hour for using the place and for gas in driving there and back home. I also feel that with the service I offer and the costs /time I have to incur that this price is very fair. If I were to let someone low ball me down and wanting a $100 for a half hour which I never would, at the end I would only walk away with $60. How is that fair after what I am going through to get to the appt in first place with the chance of someone no showing and no guarantees? Makes no sense. This can be a risky business ( bad dates, constant no shows, wierdos) and the ladies rates are warranted for this very reason. To sum it up, read the ad and/or website first to see if she states that there is no room for negotiation. It is rude to ask after knowing that she will not negotiate. Those are the people I have a problem with. I am a realist in the fact that there will always be low ballers but it's all in how you deal with them. I either ignore them or simply say no and end the convo. I let it roll off of me like water on duck's back unless they pursue it further and then I start to get annoyed. Those who do ask, I know that they simply don't feel I'm worth it and don't want to pay it so they are not going to the good service I provide. It's as simple as that and those are people I don't care to meet. I'm not a doormat and when you bargin, you will never get the "full service" a self entitled haggler thinks he is going to get. Is it pure arrogance on their part to assume they're going to get everything for nothing? Yes, very much so. However, arrogant people end up failing to realize a few things and clearly the solid dollar amount that they are so headstrong on paying becomes the main focus and don't recognize that they truly get what they pay for. And in these scenarios, it will be downgraded service and most likely not the full time they are supposed to be paying for. Would a customer like it if they visited an SP and she was all business at the beginning demanding money? I know it's a turn off so haggling over rates is very comparable to this. No one likes a haggler in this business so to those who negotiate, don't expect the best experience you've ever had. Many ladies may take your money but resent you for it at the same time and where there is resentment, there is less effort and completely warranted on her part. Additional Comments: Sorry to say but most of those guys from those classified sites end up finding cerb and continue with their negotiations on here. This isn't a bitching thread and not something to make light of due to the heat. It's a very common problem amongst the ladies.

Perhaps I'm still new and not as jaded as some but I find money talk in this hobby to be incredibly uncomfortable. To be honest, I rarely even contact a lady unless her rates are clearly posted because I don't want to talk about it. Especially if I'm the one who has to bring it up. Call me a bit of a romantic but I kind of like to not think about the money part and just enjoy being with a lady. If the money is discreetly put in an envelope and dropped on a table and never acknowledged, you can forget about it and just pretend it isn't even a business transaction. Trying to reduce this to a simple dollars for value equation sucks the joy right out of it. I feel sorry for the guys who see it that way because they're missing out. Sharing an intimate moment with someone is not just a transaction, a debit in a column of some budget. If you think this has anything in common with buying a sofa or hiring a contractor, there's something wrong with your soul. You're missing the beauty and magic of the real connection with someone, even if it's just for a while. The last thing I want to do is to introduce discord to jeopardize the chance of finding some real chemistry. So yeah, if this is just about finding a convenient hole to stick your dick in, light 'er up. Maybe her rates are negotiable because she deliberately sets them high so that she has room to move. But maybe she's in a bad way and desperately needs money this week. Is that how you want to "win"? Then go ahead, take advantage. Savor your victory of saving money at the misfortune of another human being. Me, I'm just gonna keep meeting wonderful, sexy ladies and continue to marvel, to be absolutely astonished, that they are so generous as to share themselves with me. Because most of the ladies I've met so far are pretty awesome and I wouldn't have imagined that they'd be available for any price.

After a hot shower, exfoliating, cleansing getting smooth all over. Preparing my space for "his" or even "your" arrival. Dolling self up, those last finishing touches of blush and lipstick. Taking the sexy number I have chosen to melt you with and devour you. One stocking on, reaching for the other with sexy music playing to get me in that sex kitten mood I much prefer to be in.... The telephone rings, I answer with a prrrr. I am ready and looking forward to a hell of a sexy day with a gentleman I hope is polite, fun and also a great time for me. "are you avail. right now? addy? "rates?" they are in my ads hun....... long pause (sexy vibe suddenly threatened ) by the chance that he may......oh please don't..... "how about 50 less than your rate?" other girls have agreed to X amount and even Y amount. But I will see you if you will agree to their rates!" My legs start to cross as he begins to bid with my body and services. Suddenly all that sexy preparation and bad girl sexy, devour you vibe I spent the morning slowly, carefully preparing myself for you. That warm, sexy soft and wet feeling is suddenly threatened to become the very place a negotiation always proves time and time again to take me. "Fuck it." Nothing dries me up faster than suggesting less than my rate I have offered myself intimately to you, (a mysterious stranger) now douchbag...... I suddenly feel like throwing some clothes on and watching soaps. Better yet Screw this..... I'm going shopping! (it's due to days and conversations as stated above that I have aquired a questionable amount of battery operated "devices") AKA.... sorry not available today. Please guys, nothing kills a sexy vibe faster than nickle and dimming over 20 dollars that I will need to replace those sexy stockings you love so much.

Good questions, SP's are different than MP in that they get paid up front. There is a service expectation with the amount paid and that is discussed when paying at the beginning of the session. If you are really impressed with the value than repeat with that SP, if you don't intend on repeating because for some reason, than tip in advance then you get your mileage. It is not a general practice to tip after service with an SP, I may from time to time buy them a gift if I see them regularly.

My expectations: "Safe GFE" = kissing, CBJ, DATY, and I assume if she just says "GFE" that it's "Safe GFE" PSE = BBBJ, CIM and/or facial (especially facial... if I see "PSE", I think facial for sure), and I would also expect these on the menu if she says "Unrestricted GFE" or "No restrictions" As for Greek, I think it may be on the menu for either of the above, depending on the lady (and how much you get her motor running... I've had Safe GFE who was happy to do Greek, and there are certainly Unrestricted GFEs who don't go there - thinking of the lovely Veronica) As always, YMMV of course...