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Honestly, this whole matter makes me nauseous. I really felt that the laws that we had before were the best compromise, especially considering the ways they were enforced. The most screwed up markets in Canada always seemed to me to be the ones that tried to regulate it through bylaws and licensing. I also don't see how any of this is going to reduce street prostitution or make street prostitution any safer. But how lucky for the CPC to have this issue dropped in their laps just in time for the next elections. Great distraction. Sigh.

Reading the comments is SO frustrating. Such ignorance and these are the people influencing the laws the government makes. We don't pay taxes, we're diseased, even if we're in by choice it's because the demons won or because we're poor and destitute or have a drug habit. We're out to desecrate people and relationships, I mean *ARGH*. So frustrating. Let's hope the Supreme Court is still on the ball as I have no faith in the government or the voices being heard over those of sex workers. Would have been nice to see a comment or two from them.

Turn offs? Not many. At my age, I am always pleasantly surprised that a woman will not throw up when we are naked in the same room. These are more general observations than anything else. If there is any advice I can pass along, these would be a few things that I would suggest: 1. Time: Hobbyists are consistently reminded that they are not compensating a provider for a specific service, they are compensating her for her time. Keeping that in mind, the idea of "shoot and scoot" just doesn't fly. A two hour appointment should last two hours unless the hobbyist leaves early at HIS discretion, unless of course he has been a total dickhead. If he has been a dickhead, you have the right to kill him and dissolve his body in the bathtub. 2. Punctuality: These days, everybody has time pressures. As much frustration as it is for a provider when a client is late, it is equally as frustrating when a provider shows up late. Life happens. We all make mistakes. We all get delayed. Just remember, when things start on time, everyone is a lot more relaxed and happy. 3. Social Media Interaction: This is a biggie for me. Whether you are writing here on CERB, on Twitter or on a subscribed Blog, your words are a window into your provider personna. The most beautiful person becomes ugly if they express themselves in a hateful manner. It cuts both ways. Some providers use what we say here as a screening tool - they don't want to deal with assholes and misogynists. Keeping that in mind, we won't see you if you have shown that you don't respect us. We won't see you if you are mean spirited. We won't see you if you twist our words against us. Food for thought. 4. Live rabid monkeys: Don't have them in your incall. They are intimidating. 5. Divided Attention: Everybody has a life. Sometimes we have stuff on our minds that we can't shake. The mark of a true professional in ANY line of work is to put that stuff on a mental shelf and get through the day. It's especially true here, where intimacy is so much harder to achieve when a provider's mind is obviously elsewhere. 6. Unnecessary commentary: Eeeeek. This is a tough one. Have you ever been in an intimate moment that has an undertone of soft and romantic when all of a sudden the badly delivered porn movie dialogue starts? I'm getting the shivers of discomfort just thinking about it. Ohhhhh... and please. Don't speak if your mouth is full... mid BJ commentary is kind of a boner killer. 7. Turkey Bacon: Only if every pig on the planet has died of a horrific flesh eating disease will turkey bacon be acceptable. 8: Outside communication: Turn off your cell phone. Do it. Now. Unless you have a friend or family member that is dying, your attention is with me. I've ended two encounters early because the provider was constantly checking her messages. In virtually EVERY other business, that kind of behaviour would merit discipline or termination. It's a disservice to your professionalism if you can't give me our time. The person on the other end of the line is NOT paying you now. I am. 9: Talking badly about other providers: This is tough. It's a very competitive business. Like many other hobbyists, I don't necessarily provide reviews or recommendations for the majority of providers with whom I have spent my time. Keeping that in mind, you have no idea of the nature of my relationship with nearly any other provider. I may absolutely adore a provider that you have just torn a verbal strip from... and that really doesn't help your cause. 10: Just another client: The biggest mistake any provider can make is to treat a client like "just another client." I have chosen you because you represent something desirable. I have brought my hard earned cash with me because I think you are special. I sought you out because I think you are going to be wonderful to and with me. Treat me like more than a donation envelope. Act as if you want to be with me. Make me feel like you want ME. The best providers (and we have so many great ones) know that the encounter is so much more than an intermingling of moistened body parts. They understand that the fantasy is passion and desire. If you want hobbyists to respect the fact that you are so much more than just a series of desirable body parts, treat HIM like more than a penis with an envelope. Jeebus. I was on a roll there.

Too much make up, implants, dated photos, one-two word responses to emails, generic huns or babes, fly by nighters, disinterest, faking, conceit for no reason and generally poor customer service. Peace MG

With this, I can assume a visit to my business lawyer is in order... I will need to make some changes to my business ie: I will be the only worker here, and need to know more about " anyone who benefits" part confuses me. So does this include the person I rent space from? I suppose I may have to buy a house if that is the case. Advertising may change as well? So that it states transactions are for time spent only( in my case massage only) and no longer for sexual acts, as one would have to be in the room to prove anything at all as well as limited communication so that your not helping to build a case for reasonable cause to have my clients harassed. This will mean the gent's are going to need to read between the lines and things may not be spelled out for you as easily, so we will have to use our imagination a bit more. This seems so backwards, I mean , I represent some ladies because they do not feel safe to book and screen on their own, and now will have to decline anyone who needs the help. I feel that if remain an agency, it may make them look my way as a target, but as far as an INDY provider, well not much notice would be given to me or my clients as we have discussed another thread that they can not go policing every INDY provider, the manpower would be too much and no witnesses other then the one getting services. SIGH....HUMPHF.....here we go!

Wow!!!...talk about a mountain out of a molehill Speaking of context, the post that out of one side of your mouth you found funny and representative of your thoughts yet in the next breath telling people to abstain from violent imagery. Here is OD's post in entirety (copied/pasted) not just a line taken out of context BTW the chilling imagery about "if she had been a bitch...." didn't come from OD, it came from you "Turn offs? Not many. At my age, I am always pleasantly surprised that a woman will not throw up when we are naked in the same room. These are more general observations than anything else. If there is any advice I can pass along, these would be a few things that I would suggest: 1. Time: Hobbyists are consistently reminded that they are not compensating a provider for a specific service, they are compensating her for her time. Keeping that in mind, the idea of "shoot and scoot" just doesn't fly. A two hour appointment should last two hours unless the hobbyist leaves early at HIS discretion, unless of course he has been a total dickhead. If he has been a dickhead, you have the right to kill him and dissolve his body in the bathtub. 2. Punctuality: These days, everybody has time pressures. As much frustration as it is for a provider when a client is late, it is equally as frustrating when a provider shows up late. Life happens. We all make mistakes. We all get delayed. Just remember, when things start on time, everyone is a lot more relaxed and happy. 3. Social Media Interaction: This is a biggie for me. Whether you are writing here on CERB, on Twitter or on a subscribed Blog, your words are a window into your provider personna. The most beautiful person becomes ugly if they express themselves in a hateful manner. It cuts both ways. Some providers use what we say here as a screening tool - they don't want to deal with assholes and misogynists. Keeping that in mind, we won't see you if you have shown that you don't respect us. We won't see you if you are mean spirited. We won't see you if you twist our words against us. Food for thought. 4. Live rabid monkeys: Don't have them in your incall. They are intimidating. 5. Divided Attention: Everybody has a life. Sometimes we have stuff on our minds that we can't shake. The mark of a true professional in ANY line of work is to put that stuff on a mental shelf and get through the day. It's especially true here, where intimacy is so much harder to achieve when a provider's mind is obviously elsewhere. 6. Unnecessary commentary: Eeeeek. This is a tough one. Have you ever been in an intimate moment that has an undertone of soft and romantic when all of a sudden the badly delivered porn movie dialogue starts? I'm getting the shivers of discomfort just thinking about it. Ohhhhh... and please. Don't speak if your mouth is full... mid BJ commentary is kind of a boner killer. 7. Turkey Bacon: Only if every pig on the planet has died of a horrific flesh eating disease will turkey bacon be acceptable. 8: Outside communication: Turn off your cell phone. Do it. Now. Unless you have a friend or family member that is dying, your attention is with me. I've ended two encounters early because the provider was constantly checking her messages. In virtually EVERY other business, that kind of behaviour would merit discipline or termination. It's a disservice to your professionalism if you can't give me our time. The person on the other end of the line is NOT paying you now. I am. 9: Talking badly about other providers: This is tough. It's a very competitive business. Like many other hobbyists, I don't necessarily provide reviews or recommendations for the majority of providers with whom I have spent my time. Keeping that in mind, you have no idea of the nature of my relationship with nearly any other provider. I may absolutely adore a provider that you have just torn a verbal strip from... and that really doesn't help your cause. 10: Just another client: The biggest mistake any provider can make is to treat a client like "just another client." I have chosen you because you represent something desirable. I have brought my hard earned cash with me because I think you are special. I sought you out because I think you are going to be wonderful to and with me. Treat me like more than a donation envelope. Act as if you want to be with me. Make me feel like you want ME. The best providers (and we have so many great ones) know that the encounter is so much more than an intermingling of moistened body parts. They understand that the fantasy is passion and desire. If you want hobbyists to respect the fact that you are so much more than just a series of desirable body parts, treat HIM like more than a penis with an envelope. Jeebus. I was on a roll there." OD takes the time and effort to write insightful posts with both good useful tips and a sense of humour at the same time. His writing is original and a contribution to this community Please OD continue with your humorous insightful posts. Most of us don't tear apart your posts to criticize them, we appreciate and value your contributions. Hell I wish I had your knack for humorous prose A rambling RG

I appreciate your concern but.... We all know OldDog as being a jokester, he says things that are funny and to lighten the mood when need be. He can also say things that can be very poignant and articulate. He has the ability for both and if I may say does both better than most. So to turn his quote into a reason for worry is silly, but that's just my opinion.

ok well let's then compare it to something that we can relate to ... that currently happens right now. If a gent receives a service from a lady that's not advertised, or not usually part of her offering, he doesn't say much to anyone. For example, cim/swallow by a lady who doesn't usually offer. He realizes it's part of a bonus he's received and mum is the word. He knows full well that by disclosing this to anyone, another gent, another lady, anyone, that he risks losing that privilege and maybe the future company of that lady. I only know this because I ran a poll a while back and the results were overwhelmingly in favour of keeping it quiet. I'm not sure anything would change in that regard, just because there was a regulation. The gent wants to look after his service, and his lady. He's not going to jeopardize that. Gents? thoughts?

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This is a really interesting thread. I've been thinking about it at various points through the day. I really do think that some healthy and capable people are just not "wired" for major relationships with other people. They just don't have the emotional receptors that other people do, and so human interaction is mostly just puzzling and distracting to them. The rewards that most of us associate with interpersonal connection just don't happen for these people. And without the capacity to experience those emotional rewards, adding more people to their lives really wouldn't make them any happier; in fact it would just stress them out. That's a small minority of people, though. Most of us value human relationships because we ache not to be alone in the world. We want people who will participate in our lives so that we form a little community with shared bonds of experience, and upon which we can rely in difficult times. Regarding love vs. acceptance, here's my view: I hope that the people who love me care enough that they will challenge me when they think I'm doing something wrong, and explain their concerns. If I don't have an answer for those concerns, then (hopefully) I'll reconsider my actions. But here's the deal: if I *do* have an answer for the concerns, or if I explain that I understand the risks and I'm comfortable with them, then I hope the people who love me will respect my self-determination enough to let me pursue my chosen path. It's a balance, and can be hard to strike. Finally: it's maybe a useful exercise to ask ourselves two questions on this subject: a) what do you think "love" is? b) why do you think love is important? What do you think is significant about having it, or not having it? Does love, or its absence, affect how you view yourself? I'll go away and formulate my own answers, and post them later.

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Love IS acceptance. If you have someone who says they love you but the can't accept you for who you are and constantly want to change you, that is not love. Llove is not conditional on meetings someone else's expectations. You can be happy without someone else's acceptance as long as you have your own IMO. Spending your time chasing after someone else's is just a waste of time and energy and never really makes you happy in the end because their conditional love may change conditions. Happy comes from within. It is important to focus on what you have versus what you don't have because with one you can be content and happy while the other is always chasing something elusive. There are very few people who achieve complete happiness but the right perspective can give you day to day joy.

Funny though...listening to Canada AM this morn they said it like this... " went in favor FOR the prostitutes" well not really!!! Cause having a chance of harassing our clients will obviously force us change our methods, agencies and drive us into the shadows even worse then before:(

Make 100% sure that you and the lady is going to be discrete, If the owners, ever caught wind of it the lady will be fined big time if she is caught talking about it inside the bar. It is a huge deal to the bar licence, one that the owners had to face in the past. This is why the changes to the booth rooms have been made. It is strictly entertainment purpose only.

I don't believe we can live without love. Love comes in so many forms, not just human entanglements. There is romantic love, familial love, love for a pet or a career or a cause one is passionate about. Love is a central need that we, as humans, have. Even those who never had a relationship or sexual relations have probably still felt the need and lure of love, just in a different way than most people perceive it. One of the greatest of these is self love. Very few people would look at this as love or a fundamental need but when it's not present, everything around is impacted. Self love impacts esteem, acceptance, overcoming fear to take on new challenges, to go after what we're passionate about no matter what it is. Babies, disabled, mentally challenged etc all have needs of love, they just look different and sometimes it takes a different perspective or a lot of searching. This, I believe, is ingrained because these people must rely on others for so many things. It is not a choice, it is a fundamental need. There have been so many studies done on behavior and learning and in most of these, there is a thread of love and connection. Love is such an expansive concept that to touch on even half the aspects would require a much longer post than anyone would care to read. Bottom line is, I believe no matter what form it takes, it is a need and one that everyone has. It's when this need is denied that life is negatively impacted and the side effects come out. There are so many stories based around people not having something important in their life or losing it or fearing it. No matter the topic, I believe a lot boils down to lack of love in some form or another.

Results from the online survey: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/majority-of-canadians-thinks-selling-sexual-services-should-not-be-illegal-report-1.1848419

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I've had many men say to me "My Dear" and for some reason it just feels normal. I'm from east coast and have heard soooo many people say that to me, I don't think twice about it. However, I don't see it as fake like other terms used to address a person. I usually see the word "Hun" in a text. I have many welll established clients I call "Honey" but it's more of a term of endearment after I've spent time with them. It is what it is. Go to Baltimore and you will hear "Hon" all the time! lol.

I will speak for me only... i could not live happily without love in my life. I'm not saying we always need to be in a romantic relationship to be happy but I need to know I care for and love people and they return that love... that includes romantic love.... love of children and parents and other family. I can't imagine myself getting by without someone who cared for me... but that may just be me. Just my opinion

a turnoff for me is arriving and find that the SP or MA is either high as a kite, or drunk as a skunk. might just be me, but I don't find it professional to be doing that when your providing a service.

well sweeties .... ;) I'd rather use a term of endearment than accidentally call you by the wrong name ;) so that's my defense. I am never offended by use of any term of endearment ... at $275 an hour you can call me whatever the hell you want to call me :D

Jason Ferguson, this is what he's talking about: Obviously, girls who don't have any bacon on hand have more germs...

Who cares why a provider doesn't want a certain client? She had her reasons and they are entirely her own. It could be a million things that have nothing to do with racism

I myself do not discriminate race( not judgemental at all when it comes to your nationality)...but there are some that probably do because they only date black men so maybe they are afraid of running into someone they may know on a personal level and yes some being ignorant and racist! But then again just like it is a man's.choice of what type of woman he would like to spend time with it is our choice as SP how we would like to.conduct our business I was told I loose business because I prefer to see the older mature gentlemen and.not young.men and that may be true but at the end of the day its what I feel comfortable with Xo

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Then , next time reflect over what you have heard before communicating it to others. Furthermore in communicating it, do so properly in order to leave no doubt as to what is meant.

I think unless you hear the companion's reasons, assume lack of attraction and nothing more. Lets see, some ladies post they see men only...does that make them homophobes, or they are just attracted to men (and heterosexual) Some ladies put age restrictions on who they see, is that ageism or just that the lady is attracted to men of a certain age range How many companions complain about maybe client's/potential clients lack of attraction for black companions (or other than white companions) I mean if ladies can be chastised for their preferences, shouldn't everyone, SP and Client alike be equally chastised then Am I homophobic because I do not wish to engage in a sexual encounter with a man or is it that I'm heterosexual? I think if everyone, I mean EVERYONE looks at themselves first, they might find they have No Love For A (put your label here) (put your gender here) It could be lack of attraction to a certain ethnicity or age group, or sex, or sexual orientation, or body type or disability or hair (lack of it) etc etc etc If you want to call it discrimination fine I prefer to see it as a lack of attraction. At the end of the day, don't you prefer to see someone who is also attracted to you, and focus on that, not on who isn't attracted to you My two cents RG

I was not suggesting or recommending the practice just answering a question. That said when we participate in this hobby we gave to manage the inherent risks as intelligently as we can. Just my opinion

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It's entirely possible to live without love. The effect of such a life varies depending on the person. Human beings are herd animals by nature; our survival as a species has always depended on us working in a group, since none of us alone was faster or stronger than the predators out there. As a result, we've evolved mental processes that make us tend to herd-friendly behaviour. Most of us want the assurance that we have a place in the herd and are connected to our herd-mates. The result is a high psychological value placed on connections to others -- friendship, love, and the validation of the community we belong to. For most people, that makes having love and a connection to other people indispensable. We can be alive without it, but if we do then we sense that our life is lacking an essential quality. Most people when deprived of caring relationships fall into depression. Some people started out inclined that way but circumstances changed them so that they avoid those connections. I can think of a couple of guys I know who were so traumatized by rejections or betrayals in their 20s that they swore off relationships forever. (If you asked them, they would describe the process differently.) Their subsequent relationships with women were superficial and usually brief; they held the women in their lives at arms' length so that they couldn't be hurt. (Again, they would describe what they were doing differently.) They never did find love again, and declare they're quite happy without it. They pour that energy into other pursuits (careers of course, or various collections, cars, technology, and other safe things). They say they are happy and, while I suspect they're missing something, who am I to say their lives are being lived wrong? Just differently and in a way that now works for them. Finally, other people start out wired in such a way that they genuinely don't care about love, or don't have the modules in their brains to experience it. These can be the heavily autistic, some of the mildly autistic, or sociopaths and psychopaths, or people with other psychological makeups that don't have a name or diagnosis. This doesn't necessarily prevent them from being talented and productive. And I think that probably Newton and Tesla fall in there somewhere; people who were so deeply invested in their fields, and reaped such pleasure and other psychological rewards from its pursuit, that nothing else really mattered. Spending time pursuing romance probably would have been a waste of their time. Nothing made them happier and more fulfilled than their work. They lived without love and, overall, I think were as happy as those who do have love in their lives. Just as there are people who are completely asexual and don't miss sex that others find indispensable to happiness, I think there can be healthy people who simply aren't wired to care much about love. (I think speculation that they might have been gay makes too big a leap. I mean, maybe -- we can't know -- but it assumes they must have had some sexuality, and it leaves out the middle ground of "they were just geniuses who were very deeply preoccupied with other things"). People are SO complicated and varied. There's never one answer to what "people" can or can't do, or what they need for their unique happiness.

I apologize but figured this was in favour of the women named, and not negative.

Really, WOW!! People just want more infos to help you!!

Good luck with that :) Peace MG

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... and therein MIGHT be the solution. The provider may just not be attracted to black men and that lack of attraction has led her to the policy. It could be as simple as that.

You watch too much U.S. TV! LOL... Prostitution is legal in canada. Lots of threads exist (use the search feature) on this topic and what is and is not legal.

Just think of it as a personal preference for the SP. It doesn't mean certain races are better or worse than others. Some things that certain people don't like doesn't necessarily mean that that thing is bad. It's just like any restrictions that the SP has. If she says no, are you saying you want force it on her? There are many other SPs out there for you. Good luck.

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It is a cool thread .... i'm with ya on this one (the hair thingy you're mentioning there;-P ). Now now, You know Lee, RG, you two are not the only CERB stud muffins to be eye candy .... ;-) What's sexier than me in an apron in the kitchen ? .... or showing off with bling-bling ? ... or being in a business suit and tie?

I actually really dig John Malkovich. :) I definitely have a thing for bald. He is quirky and a bit of an oddball too, which I like. There is something dark and deep about his eyes as well, and I also find something about his voice and the way he talks to be sexy too. He is a super talented dude in general, but I especially loved him as super badass crazy Russian mobster in the movie Rounders. :)

A personal favourite: