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IMPORTANT: In 30 days we are changing the PRIVATE PROFILE abilities. Council has decided to REMOVE that feature as it is being abused so ALL profiles will before PUBLICLY VIEWED. No bad apples can hide behind private profiles this way. Unfortunately those of you who use this feature to hide from stalkers and such will loose the ability. Because of this we are not making the change instantly instead we are giving everyone a 30 day notice.

I think that if a lady has set aside some time for you some type of compensation is in order. She may have turned down other appts to meet with you. Potentially appts with wonderful regulars! Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if you are not attracted to someone it's understandable that you may not want to follow thru but being cognizant of her time is the gentlemanly thing to do.

Let's make this song number one on the charts! Steve It's Time to Leave

I am not in favor of banning any particular word and I don't have any problem with anyone.. miss Jane included.. stating their opinion on here but if you strongly express your opinion on here as a number of people have I don't think it realistic to not expect a similar response from others. My posts on here are not personal in anyway in fact I rather enjoy a good debate. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

The problem with misuse of words is the, fact that it diminishes the legitimacy of the argument being made. If your point is that people are over reacting to what you consider a less serious issue then say that... if you are saying that the reaction of people to this issue reminds you of a "lynch mob" mentality where people are jumping to applying a harsh penalty without due process then say that... but don't diminish your own argument by suggesting that these gentleman have been lynched... they have not. These gentlemen are in fact being offered due process by the University... by the police and I am assuming the professional licensing bodies... they may not like the process but in the case of the university and the professional licensing bodies these gentlemen made themselves subject to these processes when they registered for the university and will when they seek licensing. These gentlemen are well educated and very able to understand the rules they were asked to respect so to cry foul when they got caught does not work for me. Professionally I have a labour relations background and as has been said people breach codes of conduct every day... that is very true... but what is also true is that people are held accountable everyday for breaching codes of conduct and I can tell you from personal experience that inappropriate conduct in breach of an established code often result in people losing their current employment And impacting their ability to be rehired. The only difference in this case is the fact that this case has played out very publicly with everyone weighing in... and a strong negative reaction to their actions in public opinion. But they can blame themselves for that because their inappropriate behavior was displayed on a public forum Facebook. Bottom line the university will finish their review and make decisions... if the gentlemen disagree they can challenge the decision... the system is in fact working. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

The footnotes in his brief are also very informational, and if you go search out those reports as well, like Estes and Weiner. The researchers there are also very firm about the results: they only talked to those under 18, their whole study was about kids in the street sex trade. Also, they were looking for those pimps. They discovered that not more than 10% of all these teens working on the streets had any one exploiting/pimping/forcing them. Even young, they were well aware this was an exchange, more so they would not be in a group home, not be at home being abused, not being exploited by the system or adults or parents against their own will. This they felt they had control of, and this provided them for what they need. Lowman's work is a good source for anyone who wants to argue that minimum age and abusive childhood angle used to excuse these draconian laws. just wanted to say draconian, not sure if it is used correctly lol Basically, if you never study anyone over the age of 18, then what results are you likely to get? That they started when under 18. I once did polls on at least 3 or 4 sites, so all indoor, former mp and agency types, independent, etc asking how old were you when you started. The average age of entry was at least 23. there were not more than 10% who started under 18, and many of those were just shy of being 18. There were an equal number (10%) who didn't start until after 35.

Hmmmmm.... Kinda nervous about being in the same room as lusty perverts and fallen women..... ....flipping a coin..... Heads - Stay at home and read the Conservative Manifesto/The Holy Bible Tails - go to a party with harlots and sociopaths.... ... here we go.... YAY!!!! Trollops and Johns!!!! Bwahahahahhahah.... I am in!!!!

To be precise, it costs the lady money if you change your mind on the doorstep. Even if you do not proceed she has already done a lot of prep work: she travelled to her workplace, cleaned it, dressed up, maybe wasted several dollars' worth of makeup (jeez that stuff is expensive eh?) etc. All for nothing. An hour of revenue lost. Are you going to make it up to her? How do you back out without hurt feelings? "Sorry lady nothing personal but you are too ugly for me". If the face is a deal breaker then go with a face you like.

For me the answer is pretty clear NO of course not. When I started reading this thread i had to stop and go back could we really be suggesting that it was ok to back out on a booking with a lady because you were disappointed when you saw her face... wow... this must be a joke thread. Most ladies who do not show their face in ads do so to keep themselves safe so walking our simply because her face was not what you had hoped for is not ok. If the lady has misrepresented herself in some way with fake or very old pictures then maybe you have something to complain about. Over the years I have seen a fair number of ladies they all bring something special to the booking so limiting yourself to a yes or no based solely on the person's face is so short sighted it's hard to imagine. Just imagine if the ladies applied the same test to us or charged us more if they did not like your face.... some of us would never get a booking. Let's just remember this is a business but that does not mean we can't be gentlemen too. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

My opinion and answer to the above scenario as it's explained is no, it is not okay. Step inside, explain that you can't stay, give some respectful reason and offer her some compensation, that is decided to be fair between the two of you. She was there, on time, prepared, so why would you be so rude to not even step in and offer an explanation? I would say that scenario would only be acceptable if you were mislead, felt threatened/unsafe or because of some other dishonesty. The fact that you weren't attracted is unfortunate but not her fault. There have been many men that I've met that I didn't find physically attractive but thankfully I didn't just shut the door because most of them certainly had other traits that caused me to have a very good time! Perhaps that could happen with you and your girl, sometimes not great first impressions can turn into incredibly good times. Many of us don't show our faces to protect our privacy, friends, family members and because of other employment, many reasons actually. It 's a personal choice. Being a companion does give us the right to refuse a gentleman as well, in a polite fashion. Just because we are compensated for our time doesn't mean we have to be accepting of every offer.

I would suggest sticking to girls with face pics if its a deal breaker for you

So you guys think it'll be fair if the lady shuts the door on you if your faces wasn't "up to her standard"??? Be real yo :)

im pretty sure I know who your talking about. not going to say here. doesn't surprise me at all, because I know she STILL does it to most people. I also think that any escorts should keep in mind that from a hobbyist point of view and your point of view is time is important. for example, you may have someone else coming to see you shortly after seeing someone, so they shouldn't keep us waiting especially if we are on time or a few minutes early. some of us have other places to go, or can only escape for a certain amount of time. I totally understand, and im not disrespecting anyone here, but im sure some of you understand what im talking about. basically boils down to a 2 way street, we respect you for your time, respect us for ours as well. just my opinion, no harm intended :)

It's always nice to receive emails from clients that would like to see us again but keep it short and to the point...save the curiosity for the appointment. I know I would feel more comfortable in person then endless emails. Additional Comments: I wouldn't bother with those"strait" people anymore. Some people just don't get it.

If the same comments were made in the schools locker room they too would be subject the review by the school under their code of conduct for students and for that matter the professional licensing bodies. I find it somewhat amazing that people continue to compare apples and oranges just to try and justify their argument... Salmon Rushdie did not suggest the drugging and raping of real people he knew... to draw a comparison between these two topics is ludicrous This is not a free speech issue it a stupidity issue these gentlemen were stupid but the problem they now face is that even stupid people are accountable for their behaviour. Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

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Count me in and maybe I will bring honey again :)

Also just remind them at the start of the conversation that you are expressing an opinion, which by definition is neither right or wrong, it is an opinion! Otherwise, just hit them on the nose!.....only kidding

I propose, on this day of ALL days, that mod go in and make 'lynch' a forbidden word on this site. I find the continued use of it highly offensive, especially after it's origins were discussed fully. Misuse and over use of the word lynch really got to me today. this is Martin Luther KING day in the US, is there any way we can NOT misuse the word to describe stupid dental students? For anyone who wants to use it again, look up what this song is REALLY about. ( i was about to swear, i rarely do that, but this is the kind of thing that really offends me). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

I know you were asking other ladies.. but I'm going to chip in anyway :) What I'd really want to know from these people is: *why* do they think it's unacceptable, or wrong, or degrading? And don't let them waffle or handwave or brush the question off: make them justify their point of view. If they think it's immoral, then ask why they should get to impose their morality on others. If they're concerned about STIs, ask how what you do is worse than having an affair or a drunken hook-up at closing time. If they think it harms society, ask how. If they're concerned about trafficking, ask if they're equally concerned about the construction, agriculture and domestic services industries (and if not, why not). My suspicion is that these attitudes are mostly rooted in either ignorance about what sex workers do, who they do it with, and how, or moral strictures which you can't really justify imposing on others, or just good old-fashioned hang-ups about sex.

It may be a business transaction but we should not be heartless people. Unless there is some fraud (B&S) or some other health / safety concern you should continue the meeting. You never know what gem could be hidden under the exterior you initially objected to! If you cannot continue the meeting, be polite and excuse yourself without causing embarrassment or pain. Pay, after all, she has booked the time for you and that time can't be recovered. It's like the dentist, if you make an appointment, walk in the office and hear the drill and decide to leave - your still going to pay!

How is talking about drugging and raping women "locker room behaviour"? "I want to b-ang her" is completely different from what was posted by these individuals.

Short answer NO!!! You book an encounter with a lady with the full knowledge ahead of time you don't know what she looks like. If you don't like her looks well fine, cancel, BUT ONLY IF YOU PAY A CANCELLATION FEE EQUAL TO HER DONATION That's no different than being a no show How many ladies now do you think will think twice about booking an encounter with you...wondering if you'll back out at the last minute If you commit to an encounter, you follow through with it The lady is getting paid for time and companionship. Not for being attractive/unattractive in your eyes. Who is to judge beauty anyways. And any guys on here sitting in judgement of beauty better score a 10/10 on the male attractiveness scale before they even start to be critical of female beauty. If you are not one hundred percent sure you will commit to a date (the lady hides her face) then don't even contact her, much less book a date with her And while you say you wouldn't hurt a lady on purpose, I'm sure you've already offended quite a few ladies RG

The furthest I have had anyone come was from Wales. I was flattered to say the least!

Stress is good, it keeps you sharp, on your toes, alert and ready to take action. It's when there's no stress, when I'm bored, worry sets in and that's tough to fight. When that happens I do something physical like using my home gym or going for a quick walk, or if the weather's good, a canoe trip on the lake just to exert myself and get back into a zone where I can handle any problems that appear.

Enjoying my first glass of wine since having surgery last week. Yay!

I had two bad experiences waiting. the first I got the text 5 minutes to the hour asking for 5 more minutes and then nothing for 45 minutes. After 2 txt messages and no response back I gave a final txt to say I was leaving and left and then got a frantic txt asking me to turn around. the second incident. I had set the time to meet a week in advance. Confirmed the day before and the morning off. Then got there 5 minutes before and asked to wait for 15 minutes, then got the txt could I wait another 15 minutes. then a txt saying to wait a half hour only to get there to find the very special SP I had planned at length to see and had I thought established a re-pore with was not there and I was offered some stranger. I politely declined and left.

You won't be sorry.. Great place, "GREAT LADIES ",great atmosphere ,Clean, great showers. It will be interesting to hear for experience or 's..

If the Cerb pussycats don't come Meowing from coast to coast to pounce on you with that visual....dabble some honey on them..... ;) he he Worth a shot ?

Happy birthday you sweet dear man. May it be a day full of joy!

happy birthday old man.... I mean old dog!!!! LOL enjoy the day :)

Happy 25th Birthday! Great people should always feel young! Have a wonderful day!

Happy Birthday Old Dog.... I raise a Bacon Martini to you :)

That's also my experience in 10 or so years of fun. Only one comes to mind where I regret going through with and maybe a handful where I had a good time but did not connect and would not want to see again. All the others were great and I would love to see again and again but there are too many great ladies to meet and too little time to meet them all.

Happy Birthday Old Dog, hope you enjoy your day!

Happy Birthday Old Dog Enjoy Your Special Day RG

You're definitely right MJL. There is a lot of action in the Guelph/Kitchener/Cambridge area. It is a shame, this isn't more active.

I am also just going to throw out there that some of the ads you are going to see that use face pics, well the face is not the face of the escort you meet. There are some shady dealers out there, and they know that there are guys like the OP who say face pic or not appt, and they do accomodate. Like Lily's agency, whatever you ask for, that is what we say we are sending but when the lady arrives at the door, she will more likely be completely different. In my area there is a flood of ads daily, spam really, the vast majority for micros, which are like mini massage parlours with illegal workers and locations. Every one has face pics, everyone is slim, everyone is between 21 and 23, every single one. And yet, at the door, no one you will ever meet will actually be the one in the photo. or 21 to 23 lol. So. some advertisers give what clients are demanding: face pics, full menus, low rates, but when you arrive it is a different story. Sometimes going with an ad that does none of that, you have a better chance of success.

im sure you'll have a great time as everyone else does. looking forward to reading the reco :)

Well just my take on the compensation matter. It is I, the client that initiated contact with the lady, not the lady with me. I am fully aware of what she looks like (and if her face pics are hidden I take that consideration) I also understand that the lady has set aside a block of time for me, based on me saying I want to meet her, time she could have used for another client. Me refusing to see a lady based on her looks when I didn't know what she looked like to begin with but booked her anyway doesn't seem right. So she'd get full compensation from me Now this doesn't apply to a bait and switch situation, that's something different. As for paying in full for an encounter I haven't shown up for, well I have In my case I cancelled an encounter at the last minute due to illness. But why should the lady be out her donation, it wasn't her fault I didn't show. I gave her the donation for our planned multi hour encounter, just seemed the right thing to do. And if I did any last minute cancellation of a lady it just seems to me the right thing to do Anyhow, back to our regularly scheduled program RG

In a failed attempt to search for how Justin Trudeau actually voted on the matter, I came across this interesting piece. http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/412/lcjc/Briefs/C-36/SM_C-36_brief_John_Lowman_E.pdf Perhaps if we could remain anonymous, this John Lowman could tell the adult side of the story.

Well I guess you could say I tour too, living in smalltown Ontario I have to travel to see ladies. Our town is so small even BP ladies wouldn't come here LOL I've been to (distances approx. based on an online distance calculator) Toronto Approx 120 miles distance Kingston Approx 85 miles distance Hamilton Approx 140 miles distance London (Ont that is) Approx 210 miles distance Niagara Falls Approx 155 miles distance Ottawa Approx 190 miles distance Most of the time I drove, a couple times took VIA or the Airport Shuttle (it picked me up right at my door and dropped me off right at the airport hotel doorsteps, and returned me the next day...or day after ;-) ) So when I read posts about the difficulties going across town, well I go just a little further than that, and don't understand what difficulties there really could be. And touring ladies especially, they travel much much much farther than that Knowing that, to all the ladies I say thank you, but a special thank you is given to all touring ladies...lets just say after my past year+ I have a special appreciation for what you do for us gentlemen Anyhow, a rambling RG

I have only been in this hobby for a little over a year. In that time I have seen 11 different women, none of who were bad. But I have found two favourites and I seem to spend most of my time and budget with them.

Ok understood, Done Izzy

The very beautiful and talented Kelly. So glad she was my first!

In Canada it is also illegal to email anyone who had not specifically given permission to do so. It's part of the anti spam legislation and has stiff fees. Email lists fall under this as well.

getting the third degree from Gwen might not be such a bad thing

From the flip side, I have had gentleman travel from another province to see me and as far away as coming from South Africa (HUGE thanks on that one) on a few occasions to make an encounter happen - anything is possible if you really want to spend time with someone....

While I did not get there first, I did get in the first reco, check it out here: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=243197#post243197 Jenni gets the sometimes coveted slurp seal of approval

I both agree and disagree, asking on initial contact can often make someone very uncomfortable and can be very offensive but it is often how you ask as well. I have had people ask me in an opening email by saying "Are you clean?" "How do I know you don't have a disease?" to which I usually respond with a link for the mens health clinic so they can get themselves tested (though I do giggle when the odd person replies "wait you're a man?"). I've also had others approach the subject by saying "I'm very new to this, I've never seen a lady and have several concerns do you mind if I ask you a few questions?" They will then ask about booking procedures, incall vs. outcall, health information (both testing for themselves - where, is it needed, etc. and for myself) and basic etiquette. In that context I do not mind at all and in fact appreciate that they are taking the time not only to inform themselves but to ask the questions they need to feel comfortable. I also had one very wonderful date that have made it clear that the only concern he had was the STI risks but it was how he asked it that mattered, rather than accusing me he approached it much like he would asking anyone for relationship advice. It was something like this, 'I have often thought about seeing a lady but have always been nervous, I am in a committed relationship and I do not wish to lose that. I know that I can get away for a few hours and see a lady but I've always had this nagging fear that if I see someone (not you specifically) I am opening up our relationship to the risk of disease. I can't really ask my Dr. about this but what types of activities are 'safe' and what are not?" Again I was not offended at all and I doubt many ladies would be, he was not accusing me of having a disease rather expressing a real concern that he would have seeing anyone outside of his relationship. I was happy to answer his question and provide him with whatever information I could, which also included how to get safe anonymous testing. I have also had the conversation with people I have visited over a number of times, it often just comes up and I think just like in any relationship it's good to have a conversation about it. We are all taking some level of risk and just by starting that conversation you are opening up the lines of communication. I want my dates to feel comfortable talking to me about their sexual health, it's important that they have someone to go to should they have a concern and if it may involve me or they have a concern about me I'd prefer they came to me. I understand they do not always have someone at home they can speak to so I think keeping that line of communication open is as valuable to my client as it is to myself. Now as to the fact that you never really have proof, it's true you don't but it's important that you trust your instincts as well. When someone contacts me I look at both what they say and how they say it and go from there. If I get the feeling that someone is being open, honest and is interested in a conversation then I am generally comfortable with their answer as well. In this specific situation having gone through the testing procedure I would ask open questions and start a dialogue, again you can never be too sure but at least I would know if they were knowledgeable and that in itself would provide me with some level of comfort. I have always preferred to deal with those that know their risks and make informed decisions rather than those that move forward blindly.