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Backrubman -- Well, I give you credit for being so open about the topic, and seeking opinions, but that's about it. What I'm reading here sounds like young lady --- who probably doesn't know any better despite being smart --- who thinks (at least right now ... who knows about tomorrow) she wants to have a baby as a single mother and a guy, with his own family commitments, and who should know better, happy to facilitate that. YOU should be focusing ALL your energies on convincing her not to do that until she finds the right person to do it with, period. You should be thinking of your own wife, of what you could end up putting her through, and -- most important of all -- you should be thinking about what you are setting that kid up for. God bless all the single moms and single parents out there as I have no clue how they do it, but the overwhelming majority have no choice. And you are hearing that from the other ladies on this board. I'm not hearing anything about love, about starting a family based on love, about helping out on a regular basis when times get tough, when the child is ill, or up all night, or with schoolwork, or when he/she has trouble with friends, something goes wrong, etc... Etc., etc., etc. I could go on for an hour. What I AM hearing is an overly clinical analysis that has nothing whatsoever to do with bringing a child into this world. And ... meaning no disrespect ... I'm not buying for a minute the fundamental premise that, "geez, unless I have sex with her until she gets pregnant, someone else not as great as me will just do it." That's a lot of baloney and its the basis for your whole rationale. If you participate in this, you are sentencing a kid to proabably never having a father that he/she knows, that participate in their lives as a dad. That's about as sad and shameful as it gets, and its all being done for selfish reasons. To the rest of the board, I apologize for my tone, but we are talking about a real, live kid here and a massive mistake. I hope at least the people (single or married) here with kids ... who have put in endless hours to create great lives filled with love, comfort and happiness, understand. I'm going to stop now before I really get mad.

So far in my experiences with SPs, I have always been able to shower immediately before leaving to go meet her. So I've never showered at an SP's incall. I have a question about exiting the shower: What is the best/standard way to do this? Should I put my clothes back on? Or come out with the towel tied around my waist? Or come out full naked?

My friends are my family. They are the ones I can count on to be there when I need to laugh, or to talk, or to have a crazy crying freakout. And they don't judge me for it. And I do the same for them. My mom came over on Christmas Eve this past year, and my two best friends came over to join us. My friends didn't pretend to be anything but the crazy, hilarious, drunken girls that they always are - they made jokes, danced around, teased my mom, etc. And my mom's reaction was: It makes me really happy to see that you have these girlfriends. They love you. I can see it. She was able to see the love and friendship that exists there, and it made me so happy that she could. Hell, they got along so well, one of my best friends was sad I didn't take her with me to my moms for dinner this past Sunday - and who WANTS to go to a family dinner, really? Now that's a friend :)

I have no problem admitting it. Of course there are guys who come to see me for a half hour or even an hour who don't have my pleasure in mind. Time has nothing to do with it. And yes, it's pretty hard to expect both parties will be pleasured in 15 minutes, which is the main reason I don't offer 15 minute specials. However even with a half hour session, if the client is there to get in, get off and get out (yes there are some who don't want to stay the half hour), and we both know what the drill is, I have no problem foresaking my pleasure or an orgasm to ensure he has one. After all, I am providing a service. And let's get real. I've been around long enough to know that sometimes it's not going to be about me, just them, and for me to get upset about it, serves no purpose. Enjoying myself is a bonus of course, but never an expectation. For me it's providing a good service, having fun, and if I have a orgasm, that's great too. But I refuse to fake it.

I tried quitting using a variety of methods, but I finally came to the conclusion that the best and most efficient method is called cold turkey. You have to come up with a very good reason to motivate you and then it's a matter of discipline. My reason as the birth of my son, and I will have my 30 year anniversary later this month. I have to say that the benefits are worth the effort. Good luck, and I hope you can find a method that works for you.

:icon_biggrin:My first post is a bit jumbled so I am writing this again, personally as much as I love cerb and I do, I also like to have a variety of sites to post and advertise on . Variety is great in alot of aspects of our lives and to be honest I have had good and bad clients from here, bp and other sites. Nothing can be perfect so the best advice to any of us when venturing outside of cerb is be vigilant and enjoy!! But I think it is really unfair to compare them as they are both so different, cerb is more of a community it screens it sp's so what you see is what you get. Bp will allow anyone to advertise, as they don't verify photo's only monitor the wording in ads and the nudity in pics, to each their own.:icon_biggrin:

Cat, a real friend won't be doing either of those things... because they'll be in the cell with you :)

I can see how a woman would decide to have a family and choose not to have the father present. I can see how a man in this position see it as an opportunity to fulfill the desire to "leave something behind". I see the wisdom of choosing a father that has the resources to contribute to the child's financial needs and the willingness to honor the mothers code. Both people are willing and consenting adults so it seems like a scenario that needs exploring both in the legal and spiritual sense except that this doesn't involve 2 people, it involves 4. Mother, father, wife and child. What I also see is a family left behind to find out that their loved one had a "secret" life and I have personal experience with that. The devastation it leaves in the wake is of tsunami proportions. The remaining family questions every aspect of the "relationship" they thought they had with their loved one (or less than loved one at that point) and the time spent together; even the good memories become painful; the path to peace is often lost and these people spend the rest of their lives reeling with almost insurmountable trust issues. If you intend to make this child an heir, you need to include your wife in this decision if you don't want to leave her emotionally devastated after your death. Are you prepared to leave destruction as a part of your legacy? Another aspect to consider is the will of this child as it grows. I have a passel of children, some biologically mine; others are my children by circumstance. The one thing that adults consistently underestimate is the will of child in a situation like this. If this child decides that he/she is going to get to know you and be a part of your life, you will have little power to stop this exploding in your "real" life a decade or two down the road. Children are not to be controlled when it comes to a genuine hearts desire. The fly in the ointment that I see is that you want to keep this a secret. If you genuinely love your wife and value her as a human being and life partner, this is a shitstorm on the horizon. Secrecy is a myth, it doesn't exist and all will come out; my intuition tells me, long before you are gone. Are you prepared for that? cat

This may not be very politically correct, but as a father, and grandfather, my feeling is that, based on your opening thread, you have some very high expectations about how rewarding or how "magical" fatherhood, and influencing the life of a young person through bloodline will be. I think you are (highly) overrating the future rewarding feeling you think you are going to get from being a "father", and in this case, little more than a donor. There are lots of other options that allow you to actually have a relationship with a young person, albeit not a descendant of yours, that you may want to look at (maybe "Big Brothers"). I am gathering adoption was not an option for you and your wife. Although I am not in your situation so cant relate to your feeling a vacuum in your life if you dont have offspring, but I can tell you that I wouldn't, if life had been different, have the same yearning as you. Lots of people have lots of $, so going on about it is not that big of a deal either, as you can use it to establish trusts for many worthwhile legacies you may feel proud of instead. People hate it that I think that childbirth is not a "miracle" . The proof being that it is replicated, so many times, in so many places, and by so many people, every day, under so many circumstances, that it is a actually a pretty common event. Obviously the new mothers and fathers feel differently, as did I at the time, but taking a step back, I see it differently now. Good luck in whatever you decide

I was browsing announcements at CERB and an annoucement from a Montreal agency caught my eye. It says Jennifer was about 5'2'' and 36C natural. Hmmm, sounds about right, methinks. I went to their website and look at her profile. There is no review at CERB and I decided to take a chance. I PMd the agency and requested an hour with Jennifer. After exchanging emails and text messages, I was set to meet her. It was a freezing day and I was hesitant at first but finally committed to seeing her. She was located in a upscale downtown hotel right down my alley. I was not expecting much frankly and non-chalantly knock on the door. She opened the door, greet me warmly and let me in. When I saw her, I was truly shocked, as in SHOCKED!!! My jaws dropped and my faithful sidekick promptly stood up. I wasn't nervous before but I am truly nervous now. It feels like I stumbled on a suite of Hugh Hefner and seen one of his girlfriends. She was one of the most beautiful women I have seen in person. Although they don't look a like, she reminds me of a young Phoebe Cates (with the smile that launch a billion posters) or an Elisha Cuthbert (when she's still playing Kim of 24). She has their magnetic appeal that will melt your heart. A real sweet, girl next door type, beauty; not the statuesque super model look of a Heidi Klum. She is petite but her body straddles the sweet spot between a spinner and voluptous. Perhaps sensing my confusion, she got my bag and led me to her suite. I was dressed for an Artic expedition, so it took a while to shed my gear. I said I need a hot shower and afterwards we sat on the bed. She was wearing a sexy lingerie. Her skin feels like silk to the touch, with no tats or piercings on sight. She's a non-smoker and she smells divine. We started touching and she loves to kiss. I wasn't much a kisser but this is the second time I engaged in a DFK. Before long, I was trying to peel off her lower lip. I will skip the intimate details but I just like to mention that she has one of the most beautiful pair of breasts I have ever seen, on par with Jasmine Thai. As I was a breast man, I feel like I am in heaven. It was one of the most intense and delicious experience I ever had. It takes a lot of effort to hold back the inevitable, but when it was over, we engage in small talk. I discover that she was a very good conversationalist! We talked about cities here in Canada we have been to. This is her first visit here in Ottawa and I ask her to come back. I was surprised that I am the only one for the day! I encourage her to come back to Ottawa and she promised that she will. I almost never repeat on an SP (the exception was Jasmine Thai) but she is a definite repeat; I'm looking forward to her next visit. The hour flew past and it is time for me to go. I said my goodbyes and wish her well. She kissed me warmly. She will celebrate her birthday in a few days and I wish her a HAPPY BIRTHDAY! To say I was smitten was an understatement. So next time Jennifer comes to town, don't walk, but run to her door. And you might find bliss here on earth

I'm on Twitter more and more and definately see the utility...personally I find it much easier to interact with the ladies on Twitter. More social and less chance for controversy with 140 characters I find. Peace MG

Bunny ears and legwarmers

To me our gentlemen are coming to see us to fill much more than a physical need. Quite often it seems to me that it is also an emotional or mental one. There are many reasons at least to me that men go outside of the home or search out an SP. And its a desire to have that need filled. I think? and I could be wrong is their needs for MUTUAL attraction, satisfaction, pleasure are a huge part of what they feel is missing? Or at the least its part and parcel. I sincerely hope that while Im with a gentleman I fill much more than a basic physical need. I think allowing my own pleasure is a part of that :)

I love playing Mahjong Titans. It's one of those games that came with my laptop. It's a really simple game. All you have to do is match all the tiles but you can only click the outside tiles. I didn't know they had a physical game. I have to look into it.

Personally, I find it puts both of us more at ease if I shower on arrival. On a repeat visit, I can definitely see the potential for this turning into a fun start to the session! Basically, I see it as a simple courtesy on arrival, and a wise way to clean up afterwards before rejoining the real world.

I think it's pretty straight forward, and personally I enjoy the chance to get acquainted in the shower. You've booked an hour, and you have no way of knowing what else she has planned for the rest of her day, so although it's in their best interests to let you have a shower you shouldn't expect her to give you a whole lot of extra time to freshen up. I know for myself a date isn't full bore for an hour so give or take five to ten minutes shouldn't be a problem, split the difference, and if you're counting the minutes, you probably aren't in the right mood, or it was such a good date you should be giving her tip.

Well no real insights since I don't smoke and never have. But, and maybe this makes sense to the smokers out there, don't know. But often, according to a smoker who quit, he said the hardest part for him was his smoking was linked to certain activities/habits/behaviours. For example, when he got up in the morning, had to have a cigarette Had to smoke whenever he had a coffee Had to smoke whenever he read the newspaper Had to smoke after every meal and so on So for him other activities/habits/behaviours impacted on his smoking And a general observation, or is it just me, but "cures" like Champix, well they seem worse than the disease itself. We want to cure you of smoking because it's bad for your health, but you might think of committing suicide (yes said sarcastically) Anyhow, a rambling RG

Actually a very good point. In my case, since I have to travel, all encounters, even those with ladies I consider friends, are paid encounters. A phone call to get together for a quick cup of coffee not possible. But it doesn't lessen IMHO the friendship. And I do accept the uniqueness of this lifestyle. But, for lack of a better word, the dynamics of an encounter with a lady who is an escort versus a lady who is a friend who is an escort is very much different. Don't know if that is an answer RG

When people ask me who is my service provider. I still always freeze for two seconds before saying Bell.

In a post by Roamingguy he questioned if one can be friends with a Sp. I answered that anything is possible when people are involved. I think it could work, if the Sp was not seeing the person as a client. Any other way, I think that it's a problem waiting to happen. Now let me get to the point of this post. I think in today's society the meaning of "friend" as been lost. When the norm is to have 1000's of friends on Facebook, or other similar social networks, and actually knowing maybe a handful. The line between friends and acquaintances, has been blurred with the social networks. Friend to me is a term I don't use lightly, a friend to me is someone I can trust my life with. I have very few friends but many acquaintances. What does "friend" mean to you?

I'm beginning to think this is some kinda of really bad joke. You are doing a really great job of showing this board what a selfish decision you're making, so I probably wouldn't haven't said any more except for your reference to not being concerned about "random kids." I have had the honor of working with these "random kids" on a regular basis, in addition to my own family, and its the greatest experience of my life. And it has nothing to do with your bold decision to squirt some semen into a test tube (if that's what you are really going to do ... you added that convenient fact late) and then throw some money on the table. And as to your persistent references to your money, I have had the good fortune of meeting some of the guys here on cerb, and the other board, and I can guarantee you there are a lot of guys that hobby here that have a helluva lot more money than you but don't feel a need to come on here and talk about it. My experience is the more someone talks about money, the less they have. That doesn't impress me at all. And think about this ... When that kid wakes up at night scared and crying and cant be consoled because his mom is too exhausted to get out of bed for the 4th time after working all day, or that kid wonders why the other kids have dads, or doesn't have a dad to teach them to play catch or ride a bike, I'm sure that kid ... who had nothing to do with with this stupid, selfish decision ... will feel really great knowing that his absent, self-absorbed dad dropped some money in the bank for him.

Vanessa beat me to it! Boil some water, and add some honey, spiced rum and lemon. Have a drink before bed and you'll sleep like a baby.

I hope they're a turn on! I'm planning on taking some new photos today, and I have to admit, I have tan lines!

I am one of those firm believers in Vitamin C and its ability to prevent the cold. For it to be effective to me however there is a very specific time when one must ingest relatively large amounts. Prior to getting a cold if one feels the symptoms that tell you a cold may be on the way- perhaps an ache in the neck or bones, or whatever the precursor symptoms are for you, then immediately start the Vitamin C. I usually take 3 X 500 mg tablets multiple times throughout the day, whenever I think of it. The body cannot overdose on Vitamin C as it is water soluble and excess is eliminated. I REALLY believe that if I get it into me at the very very early stage then the cold will not develop. Once the cold is settled in however, the only thing is to settle in for the long haul, be a baby, and hope that someone will pamper and take good care of you and bring copious amounts of homemade chicken soup. :) The best medicine is prevention - wash hands, wash hands, wash hands!

Too many leftovers in the fridge that won't be eaten.

Left or Right???

Just recently took the truck in for it's oil change, and they checked coolant etc for winter Well the real sign winter is around the corner. Just got winter windshield washer fluid, and picked up a six pack of gas line anti freeze. Yup, it pays being prepared, but it sucks winter is around the corner RG

Absolutely. And so there's a fundamental asymmetry to this "being friends with an escort" thing. I'd be very happy if someone I'd met sent me a mail to say, "Hey, do you want to go for coffee?" (or whatever else it may be)... but I can't send a mail like that to any SP without looking like a client who's trying to get free time out of her, which I obviously have no wish to do. And there's also a risk on the SP's side if she does that; both people would need to be very clear about whether or not this is a one-off, and what the terms are (or will be) for a future meeting, and how the friendship and the provider/client relationship will co-exist in future. Pitfalls abound....

Sounds like a strange browser and/or script-handling glitch. What machine/OS/browser are you using? And do you still have the problem if you log in through some other device?

Turkey ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !! Please NOOOOOOOOOO !! Smoked oysters on a triscuit is just fine :)

Seven of Nine or Jeri Ryan ... In or out of character

Giving my son the Beta fish I bought him. lol wonder how long they will live?

Ooooh! I can hardly wait to watch a Hulk Hogan sex tape, said nobody ever.

I am going to throw an "end of the world" party on Dec. 21st. May as well have a good time on the way out, if that's that's the way it's going to be. If not, still had a pre-xmas party. Anyone care to join me?

Maybe so. I know life as been very good to me and afforded me the opportunity to do almost anything I wanted but I have but only one real regret and this is it. These days I recognize I am human and subject to making mistakes and this could be a really big one (a whopper). But yes, you are right, I have always had a yearning to do this and now seem to have the ability but I well recognize it is not a decision to be taken lightly which is why I value all opinions anyone has to offer.

For me personally, that wouldn't be enough. But that's me. It's really a hard one. Phaedrus makes some excellent points. Regardless of what you agree with respect to the child, at the end of the day courts always give primary consideration to "what's in the best interests of the child" rather than what the parties agreed to. Also, you really can't surrender or bargain away parental obligations. So if, for example, down the road she wanted child support and you had agreed there would be none, you still might be obligated to pay. (I realize that's not your concern and that you want to support them) But similarly, if you agreed to have nothing to do with the children but you changed your mind later on, you'd still likely have rights to see them ... and the 2 visits a year might not be binding at all. So getting some legal advice is definitely a good idea. The thing about agreements in difficult personal situations, is that they work only so long as everyone is prepared to live with them. Once that goes, then all bets are off. I really wish you luck with this choice though. It could be a real life changer. Porthos

And that is why I asked this question for just those kind of insightful opinions that will make me think, as I have no experience as a parent, thanks. She has offered at least two in person visits a year, photos, regular updates and even when the child is walking and talking he or she doesn't have to know the guy visiting the mother for an hour or so is their father. I seriously don't have the time to raise a child but I can see myself (with her permission) anonymously attending school plays and other such activities. Yes it sure does! And at least to me this is dead serious, life changing stuff we are discussing here. I was kind of hoping for a response from you Phaedrus as I have always admired your wisdom. Very true. Well her initial plan was anonymous, she wouldn't even know the father's name or how to reach him, but I couldn't do that. I'd have to ensure my child had every chance to flourish and benefit from what I have to offer. You are very right, the lawyer(s) will have to help us sort this out. No this would be her first and you are very right. Very risky until we take advice. In fact the initial financial support would be held in trust or escrow pending a positive paternity test. She really seems to respect that I am taking no chances and every possible precaution after some of the risks (like me seeking custody) were explained to her. Yeah, I don't see her knowing about this while I am alive. If she survives me she would of course know all about it with the reading of the will. That may seem like I'm being a bastard but then it would be for much the same reasons she doesn't know about my CERB activities. Chivalry dictates I do nothing to make her feel more inadequate than she already does, so while I have permission for that, I never kiss and tell. Just the same, she must know (women know more than we sometimes give them credit for) but it has developed into a don't ask, don't tell policy over the years.

Billybob, if the closing of the last thread pissed you off then the closing of this thread will send you over the moon. The thread was closed for a reason and if you were looking for sympathy by starting this thread up, where you claim you didn't want to rehash the thread even thought that's exactly what happened. Well that blew up in your face. Grandstanding will not get you very far on this site especially when you do so in the face of the moderator team at CERB. Threads get closed all the time, this site is for everyone, get over it and next time you have a concern about a decision made by a moderator contact them by pm. Publicly shaming the moderator team will only get you a spot alongside 2inthepink.

If I was looking for a "15-minute option" I'd be grabbing some Vaseline and typing in spankwire. For me, that ain't the point at all.

I read the previous thread, I see nothing wrong with asking questions of others, and the question was fine, and I do think that some gents have favourites, maybe not just one, but perhaps a small handful. As to general protocol, I think if you are asked a question, and you don't personally feel you can or want to answer it, because you don't want to be in an awkward position, then the easiest thing to do is just not reply. It is not like you have to reply to every thread. Maybe we should think of the general motto of the board, "if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing", and apply that more broadly than just the recommendations. Just my perspective on things.

I advertise on both and have met some very nice men from both. No need to compare I don't think they are two different sites that offer different things, there is always room for more than one site for us to advertise on and hobbisyists to look at . I believe good and bad exists everywhere. I would just suggest whom ever you choose to meet talk to them, read their reviews if any look at their pics and trust yyour intuition if it feels like a good match then I'm sure it will be.

Some things should be privately messaged to people who are inquiring and I do believe that this experience should not have been made public. Just because you say ''It was a great experience dont get me wrong BUT" doesn't justify the wrongful comments you made that are clearly against the CERB etiquette policy of if you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all...

Psssst.... (this isn't gonna get your thread back on track hun) just saying..... Posted via Mobile Device

Sure fall in love if you want, but, and this is a big but, at this point it's her business and treat it as such. Remember that it is her job to play and satisfy on your emotional needs. On the other hand remember she is still a woman that can be courted, and even with a more conventional liaison it takes time to develop a relationship. It will cost you to find out where you stand, so set some limits on what you're willing to invest to find out if she is legitimately interested in furthering the relationship.

Rooster - Dude, with respect, you're not in love. It's a combination of infatuation and horniness combined with novelty. Guaranteed. Enjoy the ride ... literally ... but keep your wits. If you keep replaying that fantasy "tape," over and over again in your head (you are doing that in your post above) you're gonna think its real and that's when you are setting yourself up for a big fall.

Please dont take to heart the opinion of someone with the name "2inthePink" his classless thread and even less classier response shows his character and I assure you doesn't even shine in the same light as you my dear friend xoxoxo

Three weeks ago in Kentucky I came across the aftermath of an accident.A Truck Driver had a heart attack went off the road and slammed into a bridge support at full speed,he hit the support so hard it actually bounced the fully loaded truck back 5 feet leaving the front axle against the bridge support,needless to say the Driver is no longer amongst the living. Two Truck Drivers who were passing the wreckage started having a conversation on the C.B. about another accident that happened the night before in Cincinnati.Traffic came to a stop on the Interstate a Truck Driver didn't notice until it was to late and slammed into the back of another truck at full speed.The force of the impact shoved the other truck 10 feet into the back of another truck.The impact had shoved the radiator up under the dash and it looked like the back of the trailer was sitting in the driver's lap.Fortunately he lived, but will spend the rest of his life without his legs. Last week I came across an accident in Alabama involving a car.The car went off the road missing a guard rail that probably would have saved this persons life and slammed into a bridge support.I passed by as they were just loading the body bag into the ambulance and a State Trooper was looking through a backpack for some sort of I.D. That's just a small sample of what I've seen in 7 1/2 years of Truck Driving. I spend 99% of my time alone in this stupid fucking truck doing a thankless job. MY POINT...If I actually get home alive and in one piece any SP I call who can take me out of my PATHETIC REALITY for an hour is #1 in my books. I don't think you ladies fully understand what your service means to some off us.Personally there are no words to describe it. I THANK YOU ALL. Your all #1 to me.

Not at all. Each and every encouter is as unique as the individual partaking in our service. The goal is first and foremost to provide you pleasure; if I derive pleasure from it as well, that is an awesome bonus!

I've always thought it would be smart to find some people who are absolutely certain the world will end on December 21st, and offer to buy their houses from them a few days before the 21st for, say, $5,000. Enough time for them to enjoy the money and think you're wasting your money. Then on December 22nd... PROFIT!