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A question for the OP: could you perhaps go about this differently? The fact that you've been scammed on deposits multiple times indicates that something's up. Scammers have always been out there, but not everyone gets scammed. How do you go about choosing which SP to see? If you just go to LL (or wherever) when you're horny, and pick someone that the little head seems to like... well, getting some scammers is inevitable. The thing is, you have to do your research, and research takes time, and is best done when you're *not* looking for some action right now. As others have said here and elsewhere: look for a proper website. Do a reverse image search on the pics. Look for an established presence in the industry; whether that's an active and reasonably long-standing social media presence, or positive feedback from other clients. TBH the long-term presence alone is probably enough - it's all I really go on. Anyone pulling a scam simply won't last all that long before word gets around and they're forced to adopt yet another new identity, and so building up that long-term presence is almost impossible if you're just trying to make a quick buck from the next mark. I don't look at ads until I've *already* decided I might want to see someone and I'm at the point of looking at rates, screening requirements, contact methods, etc. That's what happens to work for me, and obviously YMMV... the point here is that a slower approach may serve you better than making a decision in a hurry. As regards looking for a regular: I get that this is the end goal for you, but again, perhaps... slow down? Providers get many, many messages from people claiming they'll be the best regular ever, and pretty much all of those are from people running a scam of their own (usually that they want a discount, I suspect). Claiming you want to be a regular before you've even met might be a red flag for some providers. Even on the first meeting, making it a regular thing probably isn't going to be on the agenda immediately. Think of it like a first date: do you actually *want* to see this provider regularly? No matter how well you might think you know someone from their online presence, the reality may be different. It happens, sometimes; I've met people in the past who I thought I'd get on well with, and... we just didn't really hit it off. That's not anybody's fault; it's just the way life goes, and you have to be prepared to simply accept that this time things didn't work out and it's time to pursue other opportunities. Finally, I'm afraid there's one thing I really must push back on: Hate to say it, but I think you're being unreasonable here. When you book a first appointment, you're booking that one appointment... and that's all. You met, and had fun, for the agreed length of time? You've got what you paid for. She owes you nothing more at this point. She said she's available for something regular? All that means is that she's happy for you to book again sometime; it is not a commitment to being available exactly when you demand it. The way to become a regular is simply to book again, and again, and again.... regularly. Telling her you intend to do that means very little; actually doing it is what counts. Please remember that the vast majority of people claiming they'll be a regular are, as I said, blowing smoke. No sane provider is going to abandon a tour for someone she's only met once, and the reason she didn't tell you about it before you met was that it's none of your business. If you *really* don't want to meet someone who doesn't tour, it's up to you to check providers' schedules and pick someone who doesn't - and if you take a long-term approach to your research then you'll probably just figure this out without explicitly looking for it, because most providers who are touring will talk about it. And if you're seeing someone regularly and you want to have a say in whether she tours or not.... well, to me that sounds less like being a regular and more like a SD/SB kind of relationship, which is an entirely different ballgame. If you want to keep her at home then you'd best be prepared to pay - in advance - for the privilege, and even then she may not agree. Hope all of that was of some use to you, or at least food for thought. Good luck!

I want to take a better one in these awesome back zipper jeans a very special someone got for me! But its proving difficult lol Here it is before I take more shots. NOTE TO SELF: Comb hair prior to pix and dont look backwards over and over to see if its working. Anyway, aren't they the coolest? and most um.. handy? Hard to emergency-pee when alone though...

I prefer to have my own modes of transportation available encase something were to go wrong. I am able to leave asap and not wait for a ride to show up. Deposits (for me) are required for new clients, clients that have a history of canceling and when touring. If you don't like it, don't book a person that requires it to book. To me, they show you are committed to showing up and make my day much easier and our time more enjoyable.

I just got wet reading what @Phaedrus wrote 😍

I swear he was a SW in a past life. Hail King @Phaedrus

I want to agree here.. i find it's becoming out of control. I have to do so much research just to try and verify if a provider is real. Leolist has become a minefield of fake ads. Twitter accounts can be faked; so can websites and even reviews. even on this site.. truly the only way is to know someone else either a client or a provider who can vouch for them. I see so many great women on this site but none in my area. so far i have found only those on tour that i would truly reccomend. I have been burned for deposit on occasion myself and it's frustating. I have hope though that if some of these women see a need or demand in the area that they will come. It helps if the quality of clients in the area are just as good as the women we want to attract but i have personally been told by providers that a lot men in my area are basically pigs so that isnt helping the cause either . I take it with a grain of salt. I try to be a good client.. clean, respectful and aplreciative of their time and just hope others do the same.

@JessyCeleste while i do appreciate your helpful suggestions . I am making the decision to never send a deposit again. There are simply too many scammers out there and even though there might be some great SP's out there.. the majority by and large are not

LOL There are obviously from a few years back given they still have my own URL. Hmm this thread has made me realize I need a lot more zippers in my incall closet! I'm awaiting approval on some other pix so I'll return here to upload my contributions.

I dont care if you have a different opinion.. i honestly am so sick and tired of the scams.. all you providers expect it like its just a simple request without ever acknowledging that clients are getting screwed over sending deposits.. i am just getting over trying to have faith in SP's .. trying to find a regular is a fucking nightmare fulm of scams and rude ass women

I am really NEW to this and New to this site I see the topic has been brought up before but is their any girls in the Yarmouth Area ?

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Wishing you all the best next week. It’s about time.

See I feel this is incredibly subjective. I don't mind when men have a little pig in them as long as they're respectful towards my needs. I find them to be fun. Both together are possible but understand not everyone may feel the same. If it's not appropriate to say negative things about providers it shouldn't be appropriate to speak negatively towards clients as well. Someone mentioned "seeing a need" above and it's sparked a though of if more intermediary work could be achieved. Outside of agencies already doing so. Sadly in an unregulated industry those roles can become misrepresented. I wonder if this is something mods would consider offering? Just a thought!

i honestly am so sick and tired of the scams.. Yup. And it seems like it's more now than ever before and no signs of slowing down. The one thing I despise about this industry is looking for a "new" regular. I currently have a "regular" that i've been seeing for 3 years and I've had one before her that I was seeing for 10 years but she moved away just before Covid started. So just one left. I have totally written off "online deposits" as instant 100% scams just to protect myself from a nightmare situation. Even if they aren't, I'm not willing to roll the dice and find out anymore. I'm too old to be playing in the minefield. I'll keep my current regular until she quits the biz and then it's retirement time. No regrets. It's better to be safe than sorry. A clean & safe exit is a good exit. Just like that Kenny Rogers song said : "You gotta know when to hold 'em / know when to fold 'em / know when to walk away..." #NoRegrets 😎

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There are indeed some providers that are okay working without deposits. Cash is king after all! @Phaedrus your mind is my favorite 💋

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Came just to say this. OP-your best bet is to try and read through some recent posts and just pick a few places to try. We can talk about fuck all on the open forum anymore. A few strategically placed PM’s might get you a few answers but don’t even bother posting. There are other ways (forums) to find the answers you’re looking for…

Hi, I hear your frustration, I really do and I'm not about to preach or tell you off in anyway. Only empathy & some advice on how to verify & also how to be able to tell if she is consistently available. I've had clients I really care about fall victim. I dont know what city you are in but there are other ways to verify SWs, it gets more difficult with younger ones because they won't have the years of good reviews & recommendations. But that is certainly one way. In terms of whether they tour or are actually local, their site & their recos can also help u. You can contact those who have seen or still see them & ask if they really are in town as much as they say they are. Another hint is often if rates work on a declining scale. This will give you an idea that she prefers longer appointments over many 1hr ones, which regardless of how long each appointment your preference is, it will give you an insight into the fact that she prefers seeing less people more often as opposed to quantity or having no preference one way or the other. The trouble is a lot of the SPs who are established, available regularly and have regular agents, dont need to and therefore dont advertise as much. Myself I'm only on lyla & Twitter & although I've been available in Ottawa every week pretty much since I started, if you look into my post history, my 'schedules & announcements' wont reflect that. I'm often already somewhat prebooked & know enough of my regs will contact me regardless if I'm advertising (because they know I do this). I would hate for someone new to constantly be trying to contact me when I'm busy and get declined and give up or think I "never reply" so I just dont advertise unless I think I'll have booking time to spare. I'm also only in lyla & twitter. I'm giving myself as an example but there are many like me. I'm truly sorry for all you have endured. It's really rough esp for someone just starting out, on both sides of the industry. I know you are experienced. Many SWers will accept reference alone. Another key with deposits is if she has her own incall vs renting a space. The reason deposits have become such a widespread thing is because during covid, after months of no income, SWs would get booked, specifically rent their space out (many apts are either just Air BnBs or another SPs incall) they are on the hook either way, they pay the sum & then the gent cancels sitting fear of covid. This was a pandemic on it's own. It didnt happen to me as I have my own incall plus until i was vaccinated i only offered Covid-Smart apts. But it happened to many and so deposits became standard. Scammers saw this and took advantage. Many arent even in canada. (I had a hacker I know trace one cuz I was so mad they got a reg of mine) He blamed himself as he booked off leolist with someone without reviews. So anyway, the fact that SPs who are legit and consistent end up not advertising much, is adding to your troubles. If you're in Ottawa & tell me your preferences, I can vouch for many & know a diverse group. Outside ottawa I cant help. Oh! Many cities have had regular/established ladies create their own network. OIC in Ottawa, IndyCompanions in Mtl, I know TO & even Saskatoon have their own. While not all members are in for the long hall you can tell who is. I really hope this helps you and I wish you the best of luck. C36 has fed this getting worse. The states are worse too. The more laws u add, the further underground it drives it and along come the sociopaths & exploiters! Our laws were fine as they were prior to C36. Alas, all we can do is call our local MPs and organize. Anyhow, I hop my advice helps & I really hope you find what you are looking for. It saddens me because I know theres an SP out there who would love a new reg. Even those of us with regs, they do sometimes leave us before we leave the industry so keep your eyes peeled for ads that may not appear all the time yet say things like "As usual I'll be available from (insert days of the week). " and "my incall is..." if she has an apt itll always have the same characteristics. Also look for recos where the same gent posts again or says "I've been seeing her for the last ___ years" When you go to their sites you can often tell if they tour. Myself I dont tour but I do always set a day or two aside when I'm visiting a city. So I mention TO but it's also clear that I dont go often and dont stay long. If you see far away cities listed as an constant, she tours. Also beyond OIC and such their are twitter accounts that will offer a list of who is active & whether they are local or tour. Finally, network with some of the other hobbyists in your area. Send them a msg and ask who is legit & if interested in a particular SW but cant tell if shes consistently available, contact one of the reco posters & ask them. They'll definitely know if she is around a lot & easy to book with. Take care of yourself ! JessyCeleste .

No, the site is lame because the rules prohibit honest conversation. There’s no new shit to talk about because most places are on the DND list. New members being told they can’t talk about certain providers or warn others about scams won’t revive this site. If they’re second guessing using this site, that’s not a bad thing. For example, the original post cannot be answered, as saying who does what is in violation of the rules.

100 Times out of 100 I never lost a deposit...(well paid in full in advance) Reiterating what Sarah said, you do need to do your research Good Luck RG

She is a scammer, I tried. Don’t waste your time.

I'm sorry this has happened, but I'm afraid you have to take some responsibility for this yourself. You've posted in another thread that it has happened to you multiple times. You know the old adage: Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. 😉 Long story short, stop sending money to people with nothing to lose by ripping you off. Established ladies with good reputations simply won't. (It would be stupid to risk their reputation and their investment for such a small amount of money.) Things to look for: Multiple recommendations from established members over time. (Not just first posts from a new accounts.) Social media presence that is established (active and not new) Professional Website Photos in ads that aren't stolen (learn to do an image search) Basically, any indication that it is someone who has put time, effort and money into establishing their business. If you can't find those things, then don't send a deposit. Plain and simple. Otherwise, a fool and his money....

Any luck