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  1. 11 points
    Doesn't sound bizarre at all. Intimacy is subjective. If you felt it was too much, you have every right to not do it. SPs aren't the only ones with boundaries. Any woman who would answer " Yes, I give in" may as well be wearing a target on her back that says, "Please ignore my boundaries." The fact that you use the terminology, "Give in" is monumentally disconcerting. No I don't give in. I do, however, have an expression on my face that says all I need to convey should any " man " keep trying to push past my level of comfort. It says, " Try that again & you will need a crash course in how to masturbate with only your feet ". You are essentially asking professional companions to publicly breach the confidence of a guest to satisfy, what I can only ascertain, a very invasive case of carnal curiosity. My answer to you would be, "It is none of your business what I do with him." Yes really. Believe it or not some of us have a personal life, we aren't 24/7 on call paid for vagina. And as shocking as this revelation may be to you, we are all very different people, ages, body type, hair/eye colour but mostly, in personality & boundaries. We weren't created in Petrie dishes & raised on special Hoochie Farms for God's sake. Now if she promised kissing, daty, whatever & then declined to offer it in person, only 2 reasons come to mind. 1- She lied to get you there, not cool. 2- Blow into your hand, take a whiff & ask yourself if you would let that stick it's tongue in your mouth. You also use the term "making love " repeatedly. As much as I enjoy my time with my guests & really get off on a lot of the sex, I am not making love to you. No amount of money you pay me buys my heart. Period. If you want a love making session where you will get the same thing each time, get a girlfriend. If you don't want that, you need to do a reality check on your SP expectations coupled with better research. So to answer more succinctly your thread title, " That's too intimate? Really? Yes. Really!!!! That's what happens when you deal with humans as opposed to robots. Sandi
  2. 7 points
    is not acceptable! This isn't a flea market. Take the time to find out what options a lady offers (ie length of time and corresponding donations) and either book with her or continue your search! BTW "can you do x amount of time for x amount of donation?" is akin to negotiating!
  3. 7 points
    Is it too intimate? In some ways, yes it is... For the first 15 years of my career, no kissing or daty was industry wide S.O.P. These were services that were offered only to very trusted regulars at a girls discretion. I couldn't wait to get home and kiss my husband after a long nights work. The kisses were the ignition to me wanting him. It wasn't until I arrived in Canada that I was faced with the fact that clients expect it on the first visit. I loved to kiss but it was a challenge for me because kissing is the most intimate act I participate in and adding it to daily menu desensitized me to it and it has come with a cost in my personal sex life. I can no longer achieve a deeper level of intimacy and connection with personal play partners as I used to and it makes it far less appealing to play simply for fun. If my lips are engaged, I'm all in because I can't separate my kisses from my kitty. This was one of the main reasons for the break down of my marriage altho I didn't recognize it at the time. I genuinely enjoy my work, I can orgasm easily when kissed properly and I love skin but given that guests want access to every part of me, I seldom have any needs left for personal lovers to tend to. It's a win for guests as they get an authentic experience but a loss for me because I have no interest in a sexual relationship on a personal level. Even men who I have amazing connections with on an emotional level never get to first base because my itches have been scratched. Men don't want to cuddle and hang out long term if there's no sugar on the horizon so I don't even bother to try and date. If a provider feels kissing is too intimate, then respect that. She knows what works for her. I wasn't less gratified in my work when I didn't kiss or allow oral, I still loved providing the service and my ensuring my guests left satisfied. They just weren't entitled to every little bit of me for less than a monthly car payment. I didn't realize when I tried to stay competitive that it would come with such an expensive personal pricetag... cat
  4. 6 points
    I NEVER believe such things. Never. Is it at all reasonable to think that, if someone does have HIV or any other sexually transmissible infection, they would disclose it, particularly to another sex worker? How can anyone other than a person's health care team, know for certain that another person has an infection? It's just so highly unlikely as to be unbelievable. That said, it is perfectly possible that any sex worker may have an STI just as it's entirely reasonable for us to consider that any client with whom we make contact may be infected. I don't expect to know anyone's health status other than my own and I know that even that is just a snapshot of my status when I was tested. Most men never get tested unless they're having unpleasant symptoms; they just assume that they're infection-free. The safest thing is always to assume that another person has an infection you don't want to contract and to take appropriate measures to ensure that you don't. Rumours about paid companions having infections generally come from other companions who fear the competition or from clients who are angry for some reason, such as having been turned down or having had a less-than-stellar experience. In both cases, the rumour is really an attempt to limit or eliminate the companion's opportunities to make a living. They are assaults and cannot be taken as factual statements from unbiased sources.
  5. 6 points
    Whether the A/C is on full blast or not, I don't consider it a job well done, until someone breaks a sweat! ;-)
  6. 5 points
    Intimacy is different for everyone. My first visit with an SP I was very excited and had done all my research and knew exactly was and wasn't on the table for the encounter. The lady was an absolute sweetheart but when she moved to offer a BJ I got a bit freaked out by the level of intimacy of the session and wouldn't let her do it. Truthfully, I had expected a colder detached business transaction but what I got was a tender intimate experience. Every part of the session felt "too intimate" for me the first time. After the visit I was able to process the encounter and I was left with a completely different idea of the SP client encounter. Just as every client is different so is the encounter from client to client. Hence YMMV. SP's may be "professionals" but they are PEOPLE first and as such this dictates that they connect to each client in a different way. Some on a more personal or intimate way than others that's just the way it is. Bottom line, this business is not like McDonalds where no matter where you go in the country, the product and service is pretty much the same and can be depended on as such. Each experience is as unique as the lady that is providing it. Forget trying to pigeon hole experiences into what's not intimate enough or too intimate or try to determine a standard of what SP's prefer when they interact with the hundreds of clients they see. Just connect with a lady and enjoy the experience for what it is and be glad everyone is not pulled from the same mould.
  7. 5 points
    Balls are AMAZING. I love licking and sucking and feeling them. I love how many different kinds there are. Each set is like a new toy and all react differently. I prefer shaved or trimmed just because I have a busy tongue and can get "wrapped up" when the hair is too long lol. I'll take them any way I can get them though. Delish!!
  8. 4 points
    It's the quickest way to ensure your request will be denied. Sometimes, when I get angry with a negotiator, they respond with 'it was just a question'. NO. It was not just a question. You asked me to bargain with my body. Not acceptable. Occasionally I've responded to these requests with "Sure! But first, give me your bosses number, so I can call her and let her know that wages are up for negotiation and you'll go to work Monday for 60% of your salary". Usually gets the point across :P
  9. 4 points
    I have upgraded this feature, it was bugging out on us and this should greatly improve it.
  10. 3 points
    I know the economy isn't the best but this is pretty sad. If you can't afford the rate of a real woman you should stick to drunk chicks at the club or something.
  11. 3 points
    At our house, we've sworn off fast food for some years, but there are still a few things I miss. One is Tim Horton's Iced Cappucino. I couldn't even get one here if I tried. There's no Timmy's in my town. But I think I've come up with an easy clone at home: For this recipe, you will need a blender and an extra ice cube tray. Make strong coffee, let cool, then pour into ice cube tray and freeze. When cubes are frozen, you can put them in a plastic bag or a container for your freezer. When you're ready to make your Iced Cap, combine in blender: 2 cubes frozen coffee 12 (or more) regular ice cubes ¼-½ C sugar (or whatever sweetener you prefer) 1-1½ C milk Blend! The finished product should be thick. If yours isn't, add more ice. Also, it will not be as brown as what you get from Tim Horton's. Obviously, they add some food colouring. Makes enough for two!
  12. 3 points
    I have ordered a increase in available "seats" in the room (should be implemented in a few days) ... I will continue to increase it as the chat room gains popularity but I dropped it a while ago from 100 as it rarely was needed. Seams every day it is maxing out so its time to bump it back up (it is VERY expensive to run with the video feature - we pay for EACH seat and the bandwidth each seat uses but I have no issue increasing this as needed so no need to limit peoples use it is just a growing pain)
  13. 3 points
    Yes if you are looking for a Massage in that area... Come and check us out! Vitto is one of our lovely attendents, we always have wonderful, beatiful, ladies ready to provide you with A+++ Service! Check our profile and pics..there is ladies of all ages, ethnicities, backgrounds... I m sure you will find the right person for you :-) Feel free to pm if you have any questions about rates, location, etc.... Cheers!
  14. 2 points
    Thanks, Meg! Same goes for "can you price match another lady's rate?" Sure, only if she charges more then I do! lol
  15. 2 points
    From our own Emily Wilson's awesome new album: And this smile...and this position :)
  16. 2 points
    It all depends on the size of the playroom. If I'm on an air mattress or single bed then no more than two partners is doable. But if there was a king size bed or cushioned floor with lots of space, then the sky is the limit. Imagine a chess grand master playing 50 opponents all at the same time or a bee moving from flower to flower. In my real life, I've had the pleasure of 2 and 3 partners at the same time. Would I like to try more? Hell to the yes! Fifty sounds like a good round number, or maybe a century. In my imagination I have never ending stamina and my dick is always hard. In real life, less so. Still I'd like to try.
  17. 2 points
    I find that oftentimes when I sit down to start a post on CERB its often an emotional post. So here it is... Sometimes like the rest of the amazing SP's here, my positivity slips. I am nothing short of human, and sometimes the scales of balance of me and Jade are no where near equal. Sometimes my alter ego is the stronger of the two, able to give and receive pleasure and drown in that, and it feels so good, other times, my life slips in and every emotion flashes on Jade's face. Be it worry or sadness. Other times we are balanced perfectly. And happiness shines on both of our faces. I often wonder if people realize the life of an SP requires 2 lives to balance in one mind and one body. The joys, the triumphs, the worries, the laughter , the ups, the downs, To please. All of the things we experience in our personal lives, often we experience at the same time different ups and downs that affect our alter egos. I can only speak for myself when I say that no matter how hard you try, our lives within ourselves cross paths. Good and bad. Both have benefits to the other as well, I am naturally sensual, I LOVE skin, the feel of it, the smell, the texture, Long slow kisses and seduction, that benefits Jade, as does my easygoing nature and ability to talk to people and make them feel comfortable. To please. She has taught me that everyone has a story, and not just to listen, but truly hear. To be stronger, to draw my own line as to whats acceptable behavior, she's ironically taught me self respect. I'm not sure why I started this post, perhaps because I find with so much going on in my life, I feel as though right now the scales of balance are tipped and find my emotions flashing clearly on Jade's face. Try as I might to avoid that, it reminds me that Im two people in one body, today the paths have crossed and that its ok to be gentle with both, after all I might be two people, but they are both human. And ultimately because it always does. The balance will return. Thoughts for the day. J xoxo
  18. 2 points
    For me, it's all about making sure everyone is enjoying "something" unless it's by choice to get a little breathing room so in this situation, 5 would be max however 4 would be easier. However it also depends on the people involved because if you're dealing with voyeurs, Bi etc. that changes the situation. Now if it was more about personalized attention I'd say three. One thing I love about group action is the dynamic changes with the people involved so you never have the same flavor twice. I have been thinking about hosting an event sometime and this thread has just given me more incentive to do so. For a man, I would expect as long as some of the girls are bi, he'd take them all! Wow, what great visuals to start a Friday morning!! :boobeyes:
  19. 2 points
    I too like 3, me and 2 men, but I'm very happy with 1+me. No matter the number its all what you make it:)
  20. 2 points
    Pluck them, then you'll get every one!! lol, shaving I suspect would be the best way or just trim them, either way you may get more sucking so it'll be worth it;) Think of all the tweezing, plucking shaving, waxing, ect, women have to go through to be nice and smooth for men. The least men could do is trim:)
  21. 2 points
    Ok, you convinced me. This morning, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna shave my nuts. Umm - what's the best method? Anyone have any advice? Razor or plucker or ??
  22. 2 points
  23. 2 points
    We actually went over the bandwidth limit for the month already and it seams the 20 seats available are getting full quickly in peek times. I have ordered a increase to 100 seats and some more bandwidth... I dropped it to 20 seats a while ago as at peak times were only had 20 or less people and it was saving us a lot of money but with more people using the chat room these days I have up'd the service plan on the FMS media server that runs the chatroom. On a side note... anyone interested in banners to get more chat room exposure please PM me we could use the sponsor support to keep the chat room available as it grows.
  24. 2 points
    Hi Asdr, I think that your statement is a bit alarmist, so let's discuss this. Having sex with someone carries some level of risk, and each person needs to reflect on their own level of risk tolerance. I think that you would find the majority of reputable providers here in Winnipeg are quite professional, and quite concerned about their own health and well-being. Professional providers are better informed about sexual health matters than the majority of the population.. they need to be, it's in their interest. Unfortunately, there are some women that find their way into sex work under difficult circumstances. Some may refer to this as "subsistence" sex work, driven by poverty or chemical dependance. The incidence of STI's in this group of sex workers may be greater, as they may be more prone to take on riskier practices and riskier clients, may be exposed thru injection drug usage and if working while heavily under the influence of drugs or alcohol, may expose themselves to disease. To make a general statement that there may be "working sp's known to have HIV" is to somewhat paint all providers with a pretty broad brush, and not an accurate assessment in my view.
  25. 2 points
    If it is against the rules to save a lady's photos, mod should make it so that you cannot right-click and save photos, which you currently CAN do without needing to screenshot. I have seen websites where this is disabled and if you truly want the photo you have to screenshot it...Making the disabling almost useless as I'm sure most people know how to screenshot ANY internet page...And yes, it is possible for someone to print screen while you are on cam and they will have a saved photo of whatever your cam was showing the instant the photo captured the screen. And for the record, a client you "know" also can (and probably would be able to) capture the screenshots of your cam. As for the comment made in regards to having a copyright logo in the bottom corner....Too easy to crop it out! What you need is a banner logo across the center of the image, diagonally. Next to impossible to remove its existence, yet also still possible to mask. If you are worried about photos of yours being shared/taken/stolen whatever you wanna call it, keep them off the internet COMPLETELY, period. NOTHING else will be 100% safe.
  26. 2 points
    Okay I'm going to start by saying I think it's very inconsiderate for a client to even put you in that position. I would never bring up that topic during an encounter for a couple of reasons. First...I would like both of us to enjoy our time together as much as possible and that's not going to happen if one of us feels awkward or uncomfortable. Second...It's NONE of my business. We're exclusive only for the time we're together. I'm sure you would never ask a client about a recommendation that he/she has made about another companion. I'm not a high volume client, having only met a handful of companions. But each encounter was different from the others because we're all different and isn't that part of what makes this fun and interesting? And I can honestly say that during each encounter I never once felt like the lady wished she was somewhere else or with someone else. And I enjoyed each and every one! It sounds to me like someone is looking for a GF, not a GFE.
  27. 2 points
    As a newbie I did read reco's in an effort to try to find a lady or ladies that I felt suited the type of experience that I was looking for in an encounter. So as a newbie I found them useful. Now that I have more experience with encounters as well as direct interaction with ladies here on Cerb I don't tend to rely on them much myself. However I do appreciate their value to those seeking validation that a lady is indeed a good choice for them. Therefore, I choose to write recommendations. Right now, I'm actually a little behind on my reco's but I do write them for every lady that has provided me with a wonderful experience. Everyone desires something different out of an encounter and if, as in OP's original post the client likes to maintain the fantasy that there is just one man and one woman then that's what they desire from their experience. It's not wrong it's just the fantasy they like to maintain. As has been stated, stay away from the reco's. Personally, every lady that I have met, I have had a wonderful time with and have come to respect very much. Out of my respect for her is born my wish that she be very successful in all her endeavours personal and professional. Her professional life (in this business) funds aspects of her personal life that she enjoys. Just as I want to help newbies feel comfortable in their choice of lady for their experience I want her to have clients who desire her specific particular qualities. When those two factors are in line it results in a positive experience for both parties. For me knowing that I might play some small part in the lady being financially successful while having positive client experiences makes me feel good. I'm a realist, I know that she professionally sees a number of clients however, I'm quite confident that none of her other clients are exactly like me. Therefore the encounter that I provide FOR HER is actually unique and one of a kind. She appreciates her time with me differently than she appreciates her time with her other clients. This can be a mentally grueling industry for a lady at times and if there is anything small thing that I can do to show my appreciation and make the lives of the ladies I have known better in any way I'll do it. I write Reco's, and I will continue to do so for the above reasons.
  28. 2 points
    I don't give a hoot if you're a man, a woman or a monkey. If you're arranging a date with someone you don't know, you address yourself in a professional manner. After all, this is a business and contrary to what some might believe, SPs are running a business and we're not one of your buddies texting to meet a bar to watch a game. Maybe that's how it works in your world and your example shows no regard for etiquette when contacting someone ( proves my point) but I do have higher standards of who *I* decide to come into contact with. Is technology to blame that people can't even type out the characters for the word "Hello Jane, Betty or Joan"? Fuck me, what is this world coming to when people can't address someone by their name? Is that too much to ask nowadays?
  29. 1 point
    the other day I had an accident and found myself at the hospital. this really hot nurse all of a sudden stuck her finger in my bum. I immediately woke up. I was having some kinky dream but felt something in my butt cheeks. turned out my darn dog brought his hard chewing bone to bed with him. I must of rolled over on it. so I guess you can say I woke up with a bonner lol
  30. 1 point
    Yummy:) I Love it when they hit my chin as you push your cock deep down in my hot deep throat;) I love balls, sucking, licking, playing, but please as little hair in that area as possible, it just makes all the play much more fun, as swallowing hairs isn't:(
  31. 1 point
    At the same time, it would be naive and dangerous to think that this isn't out there.
  32. 1 point
    No,, they are sisters. Rosa and Lynsey are mom/daughter.
  33. 1 point
    I got to the concert at 2, not to many people were there yet it was a great atmasphere and three different spots u could listen to different artist's. Around four there was a 30min rainstorm, it cooled things down and the ground dryed up right away( not to mention all the wet white tight shirts lol) The dixe chicks stole the show, i wonder if the girls on cerb are good singers, cause throat and mouth control must have a big part in singing :-P
  34. 1 point
    As usual some of our lovely ladies will be joining... and we will be more than happy to send with them some Door prizes for the Gents...
  35. 1 point
    Procrastinating by masturbating. Best. grad. student. moment. EVER.
  36. 1 point
    If it does, well that's not on you anyway. I will admit that early on in my venture into this hobby I felt a bit of a sting when certain ladies were reviewed/reco'd, but I grew out of that pretty fast, and on my own, without burdening my favourites with this petty problem that was mine to deal with .
  37. 1 point
    I admit that early on I found it difficult to read reco's for someone I'd seen and repeated with. To perhaps deal with my own guilt and insecurities I strove to be a "different" type of client and by doing so I hoped I would be viewed differently. Reading others reco's intimidated me in that not only did it point out that wasn't special or different but also made me feel that my performance wasn't up to snuff as it were. After getting emotionally burned a time or two I came to be able to put the game into perspective because a very well regarded SP unwittingly crystallized it for me. Time was never an issue with us and after conversations were wide ranging and one time she asked me why I wasn't a f/s player, my response was that I was intimidated by what I read of these studs whose performances seemed to set a standard I'd never achieve and I didn't want to disappoint anyone. She smiled and said don't believe everything you read. Other chats helped me understand that I wasn't (my words here "different") and was pretty much like a lot of other clients and her job was to make me feel special or as she put it I'm a prostitute and you pay for that. It's much easier for me to read reviews and reco's now without feeling jealous or insecure. I do think more than me have struggled with this issue and it was good thing to resolve for my own peace of mind. Peace MG
  38. 1 point
  39. 1 point
    Once, about three years ago, I got an email from a client saying he'd gotten chlamydia and just to be safe I should get tested. I didn't have anything, but I appreciated the email. If you're adult enough to be fucking, and adult enough to get tested, then I think we should all be adult enough to inform our partners if we've caught something.
  40. 1 point
    Hi CERB sweeties, I have just updated my blog :) Sexy Dream Life Musings: Flash-Floods & Summer Lovin' http://sexydreamlife.blogspot.com/2013/07/flash-floods-summer-lovin.html?spref=tw I'm loving all you ladies' blog entries, btw! Keep them coming :) Sweet kisses,
  41. 1 point
    It's easy to forget about Jessie. :) i did see Candice breaking down the MC group, i think she only left out McCrae but she is also seeing M I think talking with the other 4 one on one. People are noticing when the guys from MC are talking to each other one on one, they see those things and do the math when pair by pair, they reveal themselves as 4 in total i think. I think they all got into alliances a bit too early, I think there is a chance some of them would prefer to get rid of Jeremy, and keep Elissa for example, simply because with no one other than Helen El is easy to use to use the MVP she is likely to keep getting the more the others make her the easy target lol. Right now the 3 up on the block makes it difficult to choose a good one to go home. it won't be Nick, he is this week's jessie, it really comes down only to will Helen or Elissa get the votes to stay, and since Helen isn't really coming up with anything useful to offer, only Elissa really can offer the chance she will continue to get MVP for a while and if she isn't there, there is no way to know who is the most likely other than her to get it. maybe Helen will if Elissa isn't there, maybe Candice, either of those is less likely to be controlled as to who she puts up. I don't know but is the MVP naming the replacement nominee if their nomination wins veto, or is it HOH?
  42. 1 point
    Well sir, First off, I offer my sympathies. As we get older it gets more and more difficult (not to mention irritating) to start from square one again. Sorry to hear about your situation dude :( As explorer69 stated, there's plenty of work out in Fort Macmurray. A close friend of mine from Nova Scotia has been able to provide his family with a much more stable life by going to the oil fields than he ever could have back home. I guess you just have to ask yourself if you're willing to travel west and do that sort of work with a clear conscience, otherwise it probably is not for you ;) Or perhaps looking into some sort of schooling or other courses in a different field from the one you are currently in might be the way to go?
  43. 1 point
    There are lots of safe and growing sectors in today's economy, and within those sectors there is a wide variety of jobs. You really have to be honest with yourself about: -What are you good at? -What do you like doing? -How much do you want to work (in terms of hours in the day)? Do you work to live, or live to work? -What training and skills do you have? -What training and skills are you prepared to obtain? Once you figure out those things, you'll be able to think more specifically about sectors and jobs you want to research. As previously mentioned, there is a shortage in skilled labour across the country. People in the trades (plumbers, electricians etc) can make a good living. A lot of jobs are coming the demographic shift in our country. An aging population will require increased health care and retirement homes. I know a lot of people who have made a good living in buying franchises (such as Tim Horton's, Subway, Dairy Queen). I have gained a lot of second hand knowledge from my friends who have made their living running these businesses and if you want to know more, just ask. There are also a shortages in day cares for children in many parts of the country. If you're great with kids, this might be a business to consider.
  44. 1 point
    Let me echo what Cristy said earlier regarding the construction trades. There is a severe shortage of qualfied skilled tradespeople through out Canada. Specifically the carpentry,pipefitting,and welding trades. If you are hardworking,relialable,and skilled,even as a first year apprentice,,you will have NO trouble finding work!!
  45. 1 point
    Saskatchewan and Fort Macmurray have thousands of jobs.
  46. 1 point
    Add user to ignore list. It does wonders for my blood pressure.
  47. 1 point
    The appointment starts as soon as the lady arrives. If you are late for an incall, it usually starts when the appointment was scheduled to start. She might have another scheduled. If you see an sp out in public, do not under any circumstances, go up and start talking to her. She might be with someone who is not aware of her occupation, or, she is off duty and enjoying her private time to herself. There are some providers who don't mind a quick chat, but they are rare, and of course, keeping the conversation going long after she has said, "Well, I gotta go" is never cool.
  48. 1 point
    Her pics are not real i have seen her and if you do tinyeye you will see
  49. 1 point
    I took out some of the numbers form the phone number just in case the mod took exception. The SP's name is Nikki, she is one of the Quebec girls with the black pimp. Total Bait and Switch I was at work, horny and stupid. Broke several of my rules. Booked a girl who was only on BP. Was at work, so couldn't search her name on PERB for warning, spidey sense went off several times and ignored it. They use an Alberta number, but they are from Quebec. Girl at door was not girl in pic. Services offered in text were not offered in session, upcharge for basic services, was told no upcharge from when I first inquired. When I said "Keep $100, give me $140 back I am out of here" (after about 10 mins), she calls her black pimp and the fun begins. I won't go into all the details, but they refused to give me my money back. STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THEM, THEY ARE CROOKS. B&S specialists. I was finally taken. I feel like such a rube
  50. 1 point
    Do I believe in love ? Absolutely !!! Sometimes a loved one is taken from us or it just wasn't meant to be "forever" which of course is never expected or wanted to happen. But sadly it does. It is sad and disheartening. Over time we grieve and move on. What I will say given my personal experience in life is don't go looking for love.....let it find you ! That is the most special kind of love that just happens when you least expect it and it is an amazing feeling :) Like it was meant to be.
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