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Ladies and gents, its now official !! The Ottawa September Social will be held Thursday, September 19th, so mark your calendar!! There will be 60 spots available (30 gents and 30 ladies) for members in good standing. Gents, tickets will be made available soon, at a cost of $35, which will cover snacks, drinks for the ladies and door prizes. I will keep everyone up to date via this thread as things progress. As it's an event organized by CERB members for members, you can contact myself, Loneskater or Spud271 directly should you have questions. Cheers!! MisterT

I've been in this business for quite awhile. I wouldn't have stayed in it if I wasn't able to make a living and support my loved ones without doing irreparable, deep harm to myself. In the beginning, it was touch-and-go, so to speak. But I was new, had plenty to learn and the only thing that mattered to me initially was that I needed to earn a lot of money as quickly as possible. I was subjected to enormous pressure over the low fees I was charging, even then. Some people will try to bully, pressure or negotiate the fee, no matter how low it is to begin with. When I raised my rates the first time, I felt as though I was taking my children's lives in my hands. I was completely astonished to find that I had no trouble finding worthwhile clients who didn't question my quoted fees. Not only that, but they were generally a lot easier to deal with. I decided that was because they were making a clear decision to spend their money with me, whereas at the beginning I was attracting clients for whom the low fee wasn't really an issue to begin with. The next time I raised my rates, I was hesitant but not as anxious as I had been before. I wanted to see fewer people and was willing to put the effort into attracting them and then into encouraging them to return for another visit. Again, there were good clients out there who didn't question my fees. There were some who were dismissive or combative, but by that point I didn't care what they thought. I was earning what I needed to earn and I was seeing people I enjoyed. As far as I'm concerned that's the definition of near-perfection. I still receive occasional e-mail from men who think that insulting me may help convince me to see them. I've been told that I have an undeserved opinion of myself, that only a 23-year old woman who looks like a Barbie doll is worth what I charge, that in these "tough economic times" I have an obligation to lower my fees because the inquirer is having a hard time meeting his expenses and that no one really wants to pay so much for someone who's been "used" by many others before him. I've become an expert at pressing the "delete" key quickly. I'm fortunate not to need to advertise very often. I turn away far more people than I engage with because I don't have to make time for people who don't interest me. I'm thankful that I can afford to see the gentlemen I want to see. If you can't afford my fees, that's a shame. It's not my problem, though. If you're impatient to see me and don't want to wait until you can afford to spend time with me, I understand. Healthy adults have learned to delay gratification so I'm sure you'll manage somehow. If you decide that, instead of seeing me, you'll see someone whose fees are lower than mine, that's your choice. It doesn't actually have anything to do with me. That's really what it comes down to. What you can afford to pay is about you, not me. It's not my problem and it's not something I will take on. You can't afford my time, but others can.

I agree with the sentiment that we should not objectify people, whether women in this industry or not but perhaps the delivery could have been done without the final paragraph. To put down those with a lower rate than yourself, to say that you get what you pay for implies that there is a hierarchy based on rate in this industry when in fact I don't agree with that. We all offer different services, model our businesses differently and service different areas of the market. There is a market for the $80-100 ladies and yes some of those ladies may not offer great service but then some ladies that have rates much higher than mine also are not "gems". To say that price is the determining factor means that I am about twice as good as you and I don't believe anyone can say that. We simply target a different clientele and have a different business model, we may appeal to different people as well but there may be some overlap, of that I am not entirely sure as I am not in Ottawa that often. I think it's important for everyone to realise though that there is a market for everyone has a role. Some of these ladies are likely not happy in their present situation but that can happen in any market. I know ladies that do not enjoy the longer dinner dates and travel that I prefer, they like to focus on the shorter 1hr engagements. I myself will not offer those as I do not enjoy them. It doesn't make any one of us better or worse, and definitely does not guarantee you are a better companion than anyone else in the eyes of your client. What makes you a better business woman is when you recognize what works best for you and work within your comfort zone, clients appreciate someone that is happy offering a service they enjoy and from my understanding that is what you do. Perhaps some of the ladies that offer shorter dates or have a profit model that is based on higher volume are also content in their situation and I don't think it's right for us to put them down for that. **** end of my little detour **** As to the topic... Personally I don't get a lot of the negotiating requests, when I do I stop to re-evaluate where I am marketing and my ad content. I can ignore one or two emails about my consideration but more than that means I am somehow failing in my communication and I need to be more effective. As an example recently I decided to post on a new advertising board and had several people contact me about my "one hour rate" or perhaps "I'll contact you again in a week when you drop your rates, you must be new." I was in a city I had visited several times so I wasn't at all concerned about it, the only new factor was the new board I had advertised on but all the additional emails about the rates were a make work situation for my assistant so I was able to determine quite quickly this was not a place I would be advertising in the future and in fact I deleted the ad early as I didn't want her to be wasting time answering these inquiries. It wasn't the fault of the potential client but rather I wasn't reaching out to my market.

... until the day arrives that someone is negotiating percentage points for interest on a loan to lay along side me in my bed I will not negotiate my consideration. As long as my service costs less than a day at a golf tournament, it isn't up for discussion. I am a negotiator, anyone who knows me will attest that I can be embarrassing to go shopping with. I will negotiate any PRODUCT price and have done so in stores from Walmart to Holt Renfrew but I don't negotiate with my lawyer, my mechanic, my general contractor, my accountant, my hairdresser, my nail shop or my RMT. These are MY service providers and I value the work they do because it is quality and I trust them to give me their best every time I walk thru the door. All I ask is that I'm treated with the same respect when I give my best as I do each and every time a guest walks thru my door... cat

In this age of social media and different ways to connect with people, blogs have become a very big part of the communication structure. Many of the lovely ladies of CERB now have a blog as an extra form of communication and sharing. My question for those of you who browse and enjoy our blogs, what would you enjoy seeing? Seeing more of? Seeing less of? Would you like more personal sharing about life as an MA/SP? Stories of our adventures, pictures, Q&A? Personally, I like to think of my blog as a way to share with those I might meet or have met. Feedback to make it more enjoyable is always great!

Yes please!

I hope to make it :) I had allota fun last social !! Now that I know Mr T's secret maybe I will bring some baking too ;)

Yes, please! I will be there.

Count me in!!

My big bouncy bountiful boobies:)

Thank you Emily for your great wit, sexiness, charm, and personality. I can't wait to meet you in person and congratulate you on the occasion of 1,000 CERB posts, as Midnite so eloquently wrote, "1 lick at a time". :cooter: :D

Wow, thank you so much Miss Midnite for starting this thread and everyone else for all the love and your awesome comments! :) I love you guys too, and am so happy to be here! :) xoxo

I know people that will negotiate all services. What I find amusing is they feel that they got a "deal" to begin with and then complain when they didn't get all that they wanted or needed. Negotiating multi-hour rates like a court case or a custom built house is one thing, taking 5-10% off $100 000 still leaves a viable cash flow and small excess can be trimmed where needed to accommodate the discount. Asking me to take a 40% pay cut on my fee that has not increased in 9 years for a luxury service is simply arrogant and insulting. Pussy is not a poor mans hobby and if a man needs a discount because he genuinely doesn't have it in his pocket then he should realize that he genuinely CAN'T AFFORD to be hobbying and needs to get his financial house in order... cat

is not acceptable! This isn't a flea market. Take the time to find out what options a lady offers (ie length of time and corresponding donations) and either book with her or continue your search! BTW "can you do x amount of time for x amount of donation?" is akin to negotiating!

Come treat yourself to something special this week at CMJ West!! Monday 10 - 4 Tuesday 10 - 4 Thursday 10 - 4 Friday 10 - 4 Available earlier with Pre-Bookings PM for info! Experience a sexy charming blonde beauty with a disarming personality. I take pleasure in teasing and pleasing you! Come get soapy and wet in the shower with me!! I'll lead you to my table where my talents really show! I'll satisfy all of your needs without you having to say a word. I can read your body and reactions with my touch to ensure that the experience you receive is everything your body is craving. Whether you want a sultry seductress or a fun summer barbie, I am your girl!!! If you have seen me before, keep coming back for more!! The better you treat me, the better I will treat you! ;) There is nothing artificial about an experience with me! I put my passion into each visit and it shows!! My biggest turn on is your pleasure! Come experience the best you deserve it :) Lets get sexy together today!! Call 613-523-6199 or PM!!

But, 'quickie' has u & i together hehe... Hello Gentlemen, My name is Sasha, I'm a young fit MA who loves to massage and can do it for hours. My sensual erotic GFE massage will relieve your tension while I provide you with sexy teasing fun that will lead to an explosion of heavenly pleasure, just tell me what your into. I'm petite 5'4, athletic 120 lbs, perky b34 bust, dark hair, golden tan, juicy round bum, seductive lips, hazel bedroom eyes and very open minded fun and comfortable to be with. Join me for some hot steamy fun available 10am-9pm call 613-614-2117 -Sasha xoxo

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I'm glad this was brought up. I started to feel a little uneasy when rates are used in a sense to form a judgement.

Greetings, I'm an instinctively sensual woman with a playful demeanor. I believe a sensual massage lies within using both hands and body to simultaneously relax and excite the senses. I take the time to savior the entire experience and seek guests that share in my vision. My availability this week: Monday 10am-4pm Tuesday 3:30pm-11pm Wednesday 10am-4pm My recommendations: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=43994&highlight=sensual+erin I'm excited for my new venture and to meet the very lovely angels team. Care to help me earn my wings? ;) Please call 613 274 7073, or pm to book our reservation. Sensually yours, Erin xoxo

Thank you to everyone who has responded so far. It's been really helpful to read your comments and has definitely provided some insight on how I could handle such a situation in the future. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to recommend they not read my recommendations if it causes them unhappiness and move on from there. I should probably also mention that although I'm a paid companion, the experience I have with everyone is different. I don't want to insinuate that they are more special than everyone else because that wouldn't be fair/true and could do more harm than good. Also, I shouldn't have to lie to appease someone's insecurity about my lifestyle, chosen employment, etc. Perhaps the undercurrent of such comments about recommendations is a hope that the relationship can become more than what it is currently. Or a desire to move beyond the negotiated realm of an SP/client relationship. If that's the case, then obviously there is nothing I can do. I'm simply not sure what's expected of me in those moments. I care deeply about people and it upsets me to think my lifestyle causes people harm in those moments. As many have expressed, it isn't my problem, and while I agree I definitely find it hard nonetheless. I'm empathetic, what can I say? I think I get lost in my own thoughts when I start thinking about the complexities of these relationships we have on CERB. There are so many layers to our interactions! I wouldn't change any of it for the world though. I absolutely adore this profession. I love interacting with people, making connections, and even in these more difficult moments I still learn so much about others, and myself. It's a great way to live.

Is it too intimate? In some ways, yes it is... For the first 15 years of my career, no kissing or daty was industry wide S.O.P. These were services that were offered only to very trusted regulars at a girls discretion. I couldn't wait to get home and kiss my husband after a long nights work. The kisses were the ignition to me wanting him. It wasn't until I arrived in Canada that I was faced with the fact that clients expect it on the first visit. I loved to kiss but it was a challenge for me because kissing is the most intimate act I participate in and adding it to daily menu desensitized me to it and it has come with a cost in my personal sex life. I can no longer achieve a deeper level of intimacy and connection with personal play partners as I used to and it makes it far less appealing to play simply for fun. If my lips are engaged, I'm all in because I can't separate my kisses from my kitty. This was one of the main reasons for the break down of my marriage altho I didn't recognize it at the time. I genuinely enjoy my work, I can orgasm easily when kissed properly and I love skin but given that guests want access to every part of me, I seldom have any needs left for personal lovers to tend to. It's a win for guests as they get an authentic experience but a loss for me because I have no interest in a sexual relationship on a personal level. Even men who I have amazing connections with on an emotional level never get to first base because my itches have been scratched. Men don't want to cuddle and hang out long term if there's no sugar on the horizon so I don't even bother to try and date. If a provider feels kissing is too intimate, then respect that. She knows what works for her. I wasn't less gratified in my work when I didn't kiss or allow oral, I still loved providing the service and my ensuring my guests left satisfied. They just weren't entitled to every little bit of me for less than a monthly car payment. I didn't realize when I tried to stay competitive that it would come with such an expensive personal pricetag... cat

I've only been on CERB for a couple of weeks and have yet to meet any of the MAs or SPs ... yet :D. But I am almost positive that if you look through this board for recos of well known MAs, whether indy or spa based, you will be completely safe. That's the beauty of a community such as this. If you choose to see someone whom many of the CERB guys have seen, the lady's reputation is already established and you'll have nothing to worry about.

I prefer lifestyle, then durex second­. I have a really sensitive vagina and some brands irritated me like no tomorrow.

Hi I've been a member of cerb for over two years now. and have read the posts of these women almost every day and have the opportunity to meet a small selected few of the women in Ottawa. It is with heartfelt thanks to my appreciation to the kind caring women of Cerb that post and contribute their opinions and advice to us men. I admire these women as they offer their services without discrimination to men of all sizes, races, disabilities. All the ask is that you are a gentleman and are clean. They offer companionship, sometimes friendship to lonely men, widowers and virgins. For a short time the man can feel human, or needed again. Some men are shy and lonely. This gives them the chance to be with a woman that he can only dream about, the girl from school that was out of reach. Or they can fulfill a fantasy. Sometimes they can keep a marriage going by providing the sex that is needed in a sexless marriage. I just wanted to show my appreciation for the services and companionship that they offer. And I am sure that other members of Cerb feel the same way. If so let's here from other Cerbies :) Yours Someguy

Emily J, you are an amazing woman. Brains, beauty and a sweetness all your own. Your posts are by turn enticingly sexy or really informative, unbiased and interesting. I love that you lay yourself out there and say "this is me", come and get it. From one cock worshiper to another, keep the posts coming. the Ottawa boys sure are lucky!

Anything you are comfortable with and feel like sharing. I appreciate insight into your personality, so Q&A is a favourite. Really, it is up to you, the ladies, what you wish to put out there. :) FR Additional Comments: If you are not into sharing intimate details of your daily life, just give us pictures, lots of pictures! ;) Above comment added for humour only. Majority of ladies are fine, IMO, as far as pics go.

Congratulations, beautiful lady! :) Well done! xox

Congrats Emily J on 1000 posts! Thank-you for your contributions to Cerb! I have always enjoyed reading your posts and here's to many more! xo

Two or Three partners is good for me lol There's lots to do and have done, but not too much going on at once that we lose focus of our own pleasures as well as each others ;)

Congrats Emily! Looking forward to your next 1000 sexy,informative posts! ;)

Your best bet will be Excitable's on Preston or AFS on St. Laurent. There are a few Classixxx locations scattered throughout the city as well, if neither of those locations work for you. Shoes don't run cheap in Ottawa though - expect to pay $80-100+ in store.

Mike Hunt Miss Awjinny Anita Mann Amanda Huggenkiss

I actually went to highschool with a guy named Ben Gay lmfao now that poor guy had no chance lol

Hey, If I went to high school with a girl named Michael, you can be named Dick! :)

It's a fine line, and one that sometimes get blurred. We know that many of the ladies have over a long period of time, made it clear that their rates are non-negotiable, and I certainly have no problem with that. However, is it surprising or shocking that people try to negotiate regards? It shouldn't be. I can think of some good examples that might cause confusion. One being is that a lady offers a special today, and tomorrow, when it is not offered, it is asked for. "I couldn't make it yesterday, but are you still offering the same deal today?". Anyway, I respect the ladies' decisions to say their rates are non-negotiable, but at the same time, I understand why they are getting asked to consider otherwise. If you aren't prepared to negotiate, it should be easy to respond to those question, just tell them your rates are your rates. If that doesn't stop them, now to me that is when they have clearly crossed the line and should have moved on.

Nicely done Emily, keep up the contributions!! :)

Perhaps I should have been a bit more clearer in my last paragraph. I was referring more to those who advertise the "best" experience promising all sorts of things but not delivering. Offering the "best experience" is very subjective. To one offering it and the person on the receving end could interpret that as something entirely different and often times too good to be true. Yes, you are correct in the fact that I should not have listed specific rates. However, these specific rates are those that have been troublesome to those classified sites that promise the world but are either fly by nights, bait and switch or scam artists. This isn't speculation, this is a fact and you can read this in a certain blog that a certain member operates. By no means was I forming judgements against SPs who charge lower rates as there are SPs whose rates are higher than mine and vice versa. I don't pretend to be in a higher echelon than anyone else and I certainly don't judge those that quote higher rates. An SP's rates are very personal but if someone is asking a lower rate promising all sorts of things, one should be able to read between the lines but then again, others don't and that's where they get scammed. Bottom line, you get what you pay for and this isn't a matter of being judgemental. When an customer buys into that, there is some sort of guarantee that they will be disappointed. Again, you get what you pay for.

Congrats. Emily, on your 1000 posts! :bigclap: Your posts are always informative, humourous, factual, and well-written. I look forward to your next 1000 posts!

I'm still fairly new to the business so I've only done a couple duos, but I think the two most important things are: 1.Chemistry- as Al said, this is key . 2.Communication- some people want a duo because they want double the attention, others want it for the show the girls can put on together ;) Don't be afraid to ask for what you want! The duos I've done have involved little to no interaction between the girls, simply because that was not the direction the client was steering the session. However, I would not be opposed to having some fun with a coworker, provided we had chemistry with each other.

Skin to skin. When it's stiff, stick it in. Hello Gentlemen, My name is Sasha, I'm a young fit MA who loves to massage and can do it for hours. My sensual erotic GFE massage will relieve your tension while I provide you with sexy teasing fun that will lead to an explosion of heavenly pleasure, just tell me what your into. I'm petite 5'4, athletic 120 lbs, perky b34 bust, dark hair, golden tan, juicy round bum, seductive lips, hazel bedroom eyes and very open minded fun and comfortable to be with. Join me for some hot steamy fun available 9am-9pm call 613-614-2117 -Sasha xoxo

Unfortunately that just is not how an average male "negotiates" with a female ... the negotiation is usually wanting EVERYTHING for NOTHING.

Luckily for me, 80% of these disrespectful requests come to me via text-so BAM-80% of them are handled just as they should be-with NO response :boobies:, since not only was your request insulting, but clearly the person also has a total disregard for how I choose to handle my business. As for the other 20% those are never answered either ;) Also, I always keep note of the requester so I can make it a point to NEVER EVER see that person. Some may not think of it as a big deal-but it is-it says sooooo much about the person who does this. Remember-we are mostly online, and when you represent yourself in such a way, that is all us ladies have to go by. I mean the way I see it -my offer is for nice men to spend nice times with a fabulous woman such as myself, and you want to offer me a lower rate... That makes me go from hot to NOT. I would also like to say that I think that due to the high amount of $80-$100 sessions that are being sold as terrific on another site-may be a slight indication as to why the amount of discount-requests are growing. There are many with rates out there to suit your budget-so choose em ;) But when one is approaching a lady who chooses not to offer the rate you are looking to spend is a big waste of time for EVERYONE.

the other day I had an accident and found myself at the hospital. this really hot nurse all of a sudden stuck her finger in my bum. I immediately woke up. I was having some kinky dream but felt something in my butt cheeks. turned out my darn dog brought his hard chewing bone to bed with him. I must of rolled over on it. so I guess you can say I woke up with a bonner lol

You can use tin eye to see if pics are real hun. My pics I use are 100% real, usually I am the one who has taken them. Some bait and switches are posted here also, so if you come across a bait and switch, do your fellow hobbyist a favor and post it:) I find my web site helps my clients discover who and what ads are from my agency. There is one big agency in NB that is famous for using bait and switch, see section for details.

I just want to share about my training experiece... I remember very well my first client... My training was: experienced MA was in the room with me for the first 10 min.. She kinda explained to me what to do and then she asked... Are you comfortable is said I guess... Lol I guess I was a natural.., borned to be wild nhahaha I have off course become more comfortable as time has gone by.. I'm my opinion you have it or you don't... Yes looks help but more than that is about your personality, your ability of being yourself.. The ability of exploring and expressing your own sensuality... And body... And off course learn to read gentlemen response to what you do. Learn to read their body reactions to know what they enjoy ;) Every new lady that comes out for the first time ( the real first time) has an adjustment process.. A learning curve... Just like in anything in live... There is nothing like experience... Some learn fater than others When it comes to the duos.. To be honest go for a duo of 2 ladies that have worked together... You will enoy it more.. Even in a training duo the experienced lady will also be inhiited... Not as much as the new lady but she will still do... I believe the most important thing on a duo is the chemistry... If the 2 ladies don't have it... It won't be as enjoyable as it can be... Off course new duo parthners can always be discovered... IMO...

There are subtle differences which can end up feeling like huge differences. I like different types and brands because the actual sizes can be different. A lifestyle large is not very large, but it does still give a small bit of extra room for someone who is not fitting into either regulars or Magnums. And Trojan does the biggest off the shelf extra large size if you get their Magnums. Magnums are larger than anyone else's large, and sometimes you need that. What is in short supply, no pun intended, is a snugger fit for a smaller size, even a longer guy who is smaller girth can swim in a regular size condom, and an illfitting condom can not only slip off, it can probably reduce sensation if it isn't fitting snugly. I order XXL (durex makes those) and Snug Fit (Lifestyle does those) online, as the only place I can find them. I get any Lifestyle that is ultra thin or natural feeling, or ultrasensitive, any of those are fine. Then one Large size, usually Lifestyle because overall I prefer LS over anything else. I do not like the smell of the Bare condoms, but the sensations are really great. Anyone who feels like they aren't getting enough sensation should try non-latex condoms, the difference is really noticeable.

There are SO many places I'd like to travel to, I could likely start my own thread on it!! Machu Picchu Venice Paris Rome Amsterdam Tahiti Australia Iceland Quin Ling Mtns in China to see Giant Pandas in the wild Tokyo India - Taj Mahal!! Egypt Ireland Scotland London Africa Ahh someone take me on a round the world cruise!!!!

to me it depends on on how i an with the lady. everyone reacts differently with different people. for example one lady i was with we were comfortable walking and seeing each other nude so we just got dressed in front of each other wile talking like friends. another time with someone else the lady was resting under the sheet on the bed as see was a little bit more modest so when i got dressed we had a talk and i kissed her to say good but and left and she had not gotten dressed yet. so i think the situation changes depending on the person, and personality and how well you 2 hit it off. that is what makes it interesting and keeps it from getting old.

One of the main reasons that I continue to indulge in this wonderful hobby is that the beautiful ladies from cerb do not discriminate against size, age, race, disablilities etc. They not only provide the intimacy, companionship, and friendship that I cherish, but they also provide me with a fantasy world - a world in which I could fantasize them being my sweethearts, honeys, darlings and more. I salute them for being here when I need them. Without them, my world would have been a lesser place. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, lovely ladies!