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After a hot shower, exfoliating, cleansing getting smooth all over. Preparing my space for "his" or even "your" arrival. Dolling self up, those last finishing touches of blush and lipstick. Taking the sexy number I have chosen to melt you with and devour you. One stocking on, reaching for the other with sexy music playing to get me in that sex kitten mood I much prefer to be in.... The telephone rings, I answer with a prrrr. I am ready and looking forward to a hell of a sexy day with a gentleman I hope is polite, fun and also a great time for me. "are you avail. right now? addy? "rates?" they are in my ads hun....... long pause (sexy vibe suddenly threatened ) by the chance that he may......oh please don't..... "how about 50 less than your rate?" other girls have agreed to X amount and even Y amount. But I will see you if you will agree to their rates!" My legs start to cross as he begins to bid with my body and services. Suddenly all that sexy preparation and bad girl sexy, devour you vibe I spent the morning slowly, carefully preparing myself for you. That warm, sexy soft and wet feeling is suddenly threatened to become the very place a negotiation always proves time and time again to take me. "Fuck it." Nothing dries me up faster than suggesting less than my rate I have offered myself intimately to you, (a mysterious stranger) now douchbag...... I suddenly feel like throwing some clothes on and watching soaps. Better yet Screw this..... I'm going shopping! (it's due to days and conversations as stated above that I have aquired a questionable amount of battery operated "devices") AKA.... sorry not available today. Please guys, nothing kills a sexy vibe faster than nickle and dimming over 20 dollars that I will need to replace those sexy stockings you love so much.

Perhaps I'm still new and not as jaded as some but I find money talk in this hobby to be incredibly uncomfortable. To be honest, I rarely even contact a lady unless her rates are clearly posted because I don't want to talk about it. Especially if I'm the one who has to bring it up. Call me a bit of a romantic but I kind of like to not think about the money part and just enjoy being with a lady. If the money is discreetly put in an envelope and dropped on a table and never acknowledged, you can forget about it and just pretend it isn't even a business transaction. Trying to reduce this to a simple dollars for value equation sucks the joy right out of it. I feel sorry for the guys who see it that way because they're missing out. Sharing an intimate moment with someone is not just a transaction, a debit in a column of some budget. If you think this has anything in common with buying a sofa or hiring a contractor, there's something wrong with your soul. You're missing the beauty and magic of the real connection with someone, even if it's just for a while. The last thing I want to do is to introduce discord to jeopardize the chance of finding some real chemistry. So yeah, if this is just about finding a convenient hole to stick your dick in, light 'er up. Maybe her rates are negotiable because she deliberately sets them high so that she has room to move. But maybe she's in a bad way and desperately needs money this week. Is that how you want to "win"? Then go ahead, take advantage. Savor your victory of saving money at the misfortune of another human being. Me, I'm just gonna keep meeting wonderful, sexy ladies and continue to marvel, to be absolutely astonished, that they are so generous as to share themselves with me. Because most of the ladies I've met so far are pretty awesome and I wouldn't have imagined that they'd be available for any price.

I responded to this thread in the beginning, so people know how I feel when men try to haggle my rates... But I stopped responding because of the ugly turn this thread has taken. I don't think anyone needs to be called names, or people's levels of intelligence should be called into question. I certainly do not think anyone is an idiot for trying to negotiate, I won't negotiate with him, but as long as he doesn't begin to actually ACT like an idiot, I wouldn't deign to call him that. One thing I like most about this board is written right on the top, and I try to live my life in this same way... ....if you do not have anything nice to say....please don't say anything at all. This applies to all of us.

What makes you think they don't look at this site? I know for a fact they do as I have spoken with police in the past in regards to the site. In fact a very nice lady police investigator contacted us not too long ago asking for assistance in a case. Now, your new so I suspect you think prostitution is illegal right? We watch a lot of american TV and prostitution in Canada (unlike MOST of the USA) is very much legal here. In canada streetwalking (public solicitation), brothels (common bawdy houses) and pimping/procuring is illegal. The actual exchange for money for sex in private is very much legal and since a website is not considered a PUBLIC PLACE discussing and advertising such activities in classified ads and online is NOT illegal. We do not allow discussions of illegal nature here. Included on this list is - streetwalkers - FS massage spa's - public brothels - sex in public (including "Car dates") - underage (18 is the legal age) - drugs - pimping and so on... Hope that helps

I don't like the name calling and immature banter either, anyone not being mature and trying to provoke a fight will be getting a vacation from cerb. This is an important topic that invokes emotion form all sides, it needs to be discussed but any trolling, flaming or name calling from this point on will get you a min, 7 day vacation from cerb. i am not closing this thread, it is important as it is one of the biggest problems in a service industry like this. With a tangible item for sale no one should take offense on a personal level when someone tries to barter or negotiate. With a service based sale it is personal. (Especially when your selling yourself and such a personal and intimate service as no other business can compare) No one should take offense to being asked "are your rates negotiable" as i am sure many ladies will discount for multiple hours or maybe on a second visit, the ladies all probably have standard replies to this question. Most service businesses a negotiated rate usually means a quicker and lesser level of service. Some of you may disagree but i tell you if someone asks me to do something and then asks to pay me less then the rate i asked for i refuse or let them know less money means time or less effort and will result in a lesser service) What a guy should do is find a lady who works happily within his budget or save up and treat himself once in a while.... Being a gentleman cause nothing could be less sexy then some cheap guy trying to get just a bj for just 15 minutes for xx dollars to a lady, you waste her time and if i were the lady i would say "sure" and send you to some non-existent address (or maybe the address of he std clinic) and waste his time like he was wasting mine. Its rude, its not being a gentleman and its not really acceptable on cerb unless the lady says she is negotiable (and even then other ladies get very upset at ladies who advertise that so that really is not acceptable in many peoples eyes ... Then again if i were firm i would send the cheap clients in the direction of he lady with the negotiable rates and be done with them) Guys... Dont be cheap, most ladies find this insulting and take it personally, thy are not selling a product, they are selling something much more personal. It is a very emotional business and when you are rude or disrespectful your not just being cheap our being insulting and hurtful. Lets be sure the ladies are treated like ladies (human beings and our equals). Don't give the real gentleman here a bad rep, play within your financial comfort level and if someones rate makes you uncomfortable find someone who is within your comfort zone or save your pennies, if no one is paying her rates she will lower them but its all about supply and demand and if you were ale to make 500.00 an hour and work enough to sustain your financial goals why the hell would you work for less? If no one will pay you 500.00 per hour you will adjust your rate right! Its all common sense!

There are different business models and we each use the one that works best for us. When I started out, I offered a menu with different prices for different activities because that's what I saw many women were doing. I thought it gave clarity to the meetings and, because I was seeing a higher volume of clients, in many ways it seemed to make things simpler. But it didn't work out that way for me. So often a fellow would arrive who'd said he wanted X, Y and Z and who would, in the midst of things, announce that he'd really like to add A and B to the deal. He'd already paid me for the original plan. In the middle of things wasn't the time to ask him to get up, find his wallet in the pile of clothes on the floor and pay for the extras. But I soon discovered that agreeing to go ahead, believing I would be paid at the end, was remarkably likely to result in performing the services and not being paid or not being paid in full. He'd discover, to his feigned shock and horror, that he didn't have the money, or even frankly declare that what I'd done wasn't worth the extra, anyway. I felt assaulted; since both my consent and my body were violated, I'd say I was raped a few times. And yet I was told that I was uptight, rigid or unresponsive when I decided not to allow any extensions, I started to feel like a vending machine and I hated that feeling. When I was asked to reduce my already low rates even further, I saw that those making the request were completely out for their own satisfaction and that there was a high probability that they were not going to treat me well, no matter what they paid. I remember very well the turmoil I went through. After all, like most women who are new to this profession, I was dealing with some major problems in my life and becoming a prostitute was my only way to solve them. I didn't need more men trying to take more from me while telling me that I wasn't really good enough or worth their time and money or that I was just a whore and had no right to expect much from them. I had been depressed to begin with; my depression deepened and I began to be afraid that I was going to fail at everything which included losing my children. I have never been an especially thick-skinned woman. I really am kind, gentle and compassionate. Women like me often have a hard time in our line of work because we're too focused on pleasing others, nurturing and attending to their needs. Our trust is easily abused by unscrupulous people. I had needed to make a certain amount of money and I achieved my goal, but the feeling that my soul had been put through a grinder was almost as great as my relief at having averted disaster. I accomplished what I needed to accomplish, but at great cost to myself. I wanted to quit, but I couldn't afford to. The problem that had driven me into our industry had only been put into abeyance: it hadn't gone away. I read everything I could find, everywhere I could find it. I talked to some people. I got a bit of advice here and there and I finally changed my business model. Many ladies say that the fee-for-service model helps them maintain perspective and creates the distance they need between their personal lives and their work. For a lot of them, it's easier to perform activities on a contractual basis than to engage in what seems more like a relationship where these things are an organic part of the dynamic. I applaud their ethic and their recognition of what they need as women and as paid companions. It just doesn't work for me. I changed my model completely, raised my rates significantly and began to offer complete experiences, full encounters, engagements--call it what you will. Taking time to get to know someone, to build a rapport with them and to become genuinely interested in them, who they are and what they want, is a much longer path. Most of my meetings are several hours long. I rarely have hour-long encounters except with established clients. By the time a prospective client and I meet in person, we generally have a good sense of each other, gained through e-mail and phone conversations. We're usually able to meet as friends. Our encounters can go in many directions as a result. Sometimes we don't end up in bed or with anyone's clothes in great disarray because my guest has enjoyed himself so much that he doesn't want to rush, this time. Do I give discounts? Well, yes and no. I can quote a flat hourly rate and that is what I charge for a single hour. But I set a different total for a three-hour or four-hour meeting--a significant discount, in effect. I also have a social rate and many of my best clients have begun this way, over lunch or perhaps dinner. When someone contacts me these days, asking for my "best rate" or what "special offers" I may be running, I point to my stated fees with the built-in discounts. When asked about menus, options, specific services and activities, I'm patient and understanding. Most men are awkward when it comes to talking about sex. One might say that they have a limited vocabulary. They want something, they hope to try something, they've always imagined something, but they really don't know how to describe it. I appreciate knowing what they're thinking about, but I don't guarantee anything to someone I haven't met in person. Once we're together, though, the range of possibilities may be very wide, depending on the dynamic and how I feel. So when someone wants to negotiate my fee, I'm at a loss. What would I provide less of? Where would I make a cut in who I am or how I relate to someone? More importantly to me, why would I do less or be less? After all, much as many clients think that the meeting is all about them, I feel it's about me, too. Authenticity means a great deal to me. Where will I compromise? I won't. Now, my way of working is not easy. I wouldn't recommend it to many women. It's time-consuming. I work hard and believe that I earn every penny I make. Many of my clients are frankly high-maintenance and need a lot of contact when we're not together. And to be honest, there are no guarantees that, even after a protracted pre-meeting discussion, things will turn out well. It's taken me years to build up solid relationships with them and to be in a position where I'm able to turn down one-off encounters. When someone's first contact with me includes challenging my fees, I usually know that he doesn't want what I have to offer.

I think it has been established in this thread thus far that there will always be someone trying to negotiate. As an SP, I will always anticipate this. I don't care if someone tries to ask me because I know what the answer is and it's going to be a resounding "No". However, it is another thing contacting an SP knowing full well and already stated that her rates are NON-NEGOTIABLE and someone trying to haggle them down. The real issue here is that *some* men ( not all) feel self entitled to be able to meet whomever they feel like and demand this sort of thing or not let up when the answer is already no. I've only had one person try and do this to me and I hung up on him. It's like he thought that he was entitled to see me for the rate that HE felt like paying and really got enraged when I declined. He claims that in his country they barter. I realize that bartering is considered the norm in other cultures and countries but for lack of better words, you're bargining for what is supposed to be an intimate service and this is insulting. Don't tell me what you think my pussy is worth to put it so bluntly. I told him where to go and hung up on him because he would not take no for an answer and became really irrate. Did he really think I would care to seem him after that display of rage? Not on your life. I've come across these sorts of customers in other businesses that I have worked in and when they become really irrate and the attacks become personal, that's when I remove myself from the situation. Some men out there also fail to realize that when being an SP, we also have to incur certain costs. For me, that is using someone else's location. Right now I have 3 different locations I use and since they are not mine, I have to pay by the appt to use it. So when I charge my quoted rate for a half hour, a small percentage of it is gone even though I am independent. I like doing it this way for various reasons and have no problems paying for space by the appt. So when someone is trying to low ball me, they are not even taking this into consideration and don't seem to care when I tell them. Plus I have to pay for gas to drive from one end of the city to another and with the vehicle I drive, it's not that cheap but I had already taken that into consideration when I determined what my rates would be. So after everything is said and done, I am out a minimum $40 on just a half hour for using the place and for gas in driving there and back home. I also feel that with the service I offer and the costs /time I have to incur that this price is very fair. If I were to let someone low ball me down and wanting a $100 for a half hour which I never would, at the end I would only walk away with $60. How is that fair after what I am going through to get to the appt in first place with the chance of someone no showing and no guarantees? Makes no sense. This can be a risky business ( bad dates, constant no shows, wierdos) and the ladies rates are warranted for this very reason. To sum it up, read the ad and/or website first to see if she states that there is no room for negotiation. It is rude to ask after knowing that she will not negotiate. Those are the people I have a problem with. I am a realist in the fact that there will always be low ballers but it's all in how you deal with them. I either ignore them or simply say no and end the convo. I let it roll off of me like water on duck's back unless they pursue it further and then I start to get annoyed. Those who do ask, I know that they simply don't feel I'm worth it and don't want to pay it so they are not going to the good service I provide. It's as simple as that and those are people I don't care to meet. I'm not a doormat and when you bargin, you will never get the "full service" a self entitled haggler thinks he is going to get. Is it pure arrogance on their part to assume they're going to get everything for nothing? Yes, very much so. However, arrogant people end up failing to realize a few things and clearly the solid dollar amount that they are so headstrong on paying becomes the main focus and don't recognize that they truly get what they pay for. And in these scenarios, it will be downgraded service and most likely not the full time they are supposed to be paying for. Would a customer like it if they visited an SP and she was all business at the beginning demanding money? I know it's a turn off so haggling over rates is very comparable to this. No one likes a haggler in this business so to those who negotiate, don't expect the best experience you've ever had. Many ladies may take your money but resent you for it at the same time and where there is resentment, there is less effort and completely warranted on her part. Additional Comments: Sorry to say but most of those guys from those classified sites end up finding cerb and continue with their negotiations on here. This isn't a bitching thread and not something to make light of due to the heat. It's a very common problem amongst the ladies.

Such a typical cerb type thread..... maybe it's the heat. Most "offenders" aren't likely on cerb or use it to begin with so it becomes a circular discussion amongst regular posters. Peace MG

To put it bluntly, and I apologise in advance if this offends anyone (not my intention) but do any of the independent contractors you mentioned above get intimate with you? Do any of them kiss you, suck your cock, massage you, shower with you, put on beautiful lingerie for you, let you explore their bodies, etc. and give you orgasm(s)? I bet not! If it's all the same to those of you who like to negotiate, perhaps you should start a side-line business and experience first hand how it feels to be low-balled by someone looking for a deal for this type of extremely intimate experience/service. On a different note, if you can't afford your car repairs, yes, you can always try to get a better price and that reduction will come off the price of the parts --the mechanics will still get paid the same-- OR you can always take the bus, train, subway, or better yet, walk or bike... No one says that you HAVE to see an SP when you don't have the money.

ORIGINAL POST: In the original post (shown above) you decided it was wrong for clients to politely ask. You spoke for everyone on that. Above you state that politely inquiring is the same as ("akin to") negotiating, which you had already named a "not acceptable" action. I disagree. as my last post suggested, I would only find a gentleman rude if he pursued after I clearly stated the word NO. And keep in mind, my entire post was not directed at you personally, it was a general reply to the thread and intended for everyone involved. I felt it was necessary to voice that not all SPs think the way this very one-sided conversation was going. I especially hated this part: Have you been with these women yourself? If not, I would avoid speaking on what you can get for $80. And know that any reply made to this particular comment WOULD BE directly aimed at me as I do offer a "special" at this price once a month. And for those of you who think I should not offer such specials, that this behavior is what leads to "higher-end" (I had to put that in quotation marks because it's not the term I would have used) SPs being "low-balled" then I simply say to you: Until a day comes when anyone tells you that you MUST offer specials, do not presume to tell others they cannot/should not. If "special rates" don't work for you, don't offer them, but your own rules are yours to follow. Yours. And please do not again presume what magnitude of service I (or any other ladies) offer... I am kinda taken back and incredibly insulted by your thinking that your rate alone makes you a "better SP" than I (or other SPs). That was slightly off topic. My apologies. The real matter here is reality. The reality is that unless NO ONE "bends" on prices, people will always ask! DEAL WITH IT! It is how a potential client reacts to the "no" that should classify him as rude/not rude. Again, I do agree with you all that if you advertise your rates, say they aren't negotiable then there is nothing wrong with being angry at the guy and blacklisting him. HOWEVER! Politely asking if XXX service/time is available at XXX amount of dollars should not have created such an uproar. Which I might ad, in conclusion here, is exactly what the OP suggested should never be done. Good day.

I never thought of using a fake age or birth date. Ima change my profile now. I feel like..... being barely legal ;) Tonight im 18 again. and tomorrow is my birthday ;) YAY Lets celebrate ;) Young forever ;)

What you could do is prepare is separate envelop that says "thank you" with the money in it and leave it on the bathroom counter before you leave. A few gents have done this with me and it was a nice surprise :)

we have the best 3 guys takeing care of his Ottawa Social and I know these guys will do a excalent job organising it

I don't support negotiators I'm not against negotiators. If the lady says not negotiable that ends everything. If you just would have said this and only this from the get go..imagine all the thanks your post would have gotten, and how much shorter this thread would have been LOL

Tallguy, I would suggest something along the lines of a simple "OK, thanks so much for the reply and information. Have a good day/night." It's polite and let's you acknowledge their response without leading them on, but also isn't so long that you have to worry you're wasting their time.

Not too long ago I got an idiot who asked me for half-price special. I told him that he might as well keep his money as he need it way much more than I do. That is how I see negotiators. If any negotiators on this board are offended by my comment: GOOD! I'm not interested to do business with you. Pay the rates or die starving.

You guys can argue this stuff until you're blue in the face but it doesn't change the reality on the ground. Ever heard the saying, "I don't make the world. I just try to live in it."? Wanna try to negotiate rates? Go for it. Be aware though that the consequence is that many of the better ladies here will IMMEDIATELY blacklist you and never see you just for bringing it up. Hope that $20 you were trying to save was worth it. I'll even go you one better. I would bet dimes to donuts that you guys are ALREADY in some ladies blacklists just for having this discussion. It shows a certain level of tastelessness and low class that I expect many of these ladies are not interested in experiencing. But hey, good luck with your bargain hunting. More ladies for me.

Of all the things I have learned while hobbying, I believe this to be the most important. Regardless of the size, intensity or load of your orgasm, the ladies have warned me...."NOT IN MY FU*&!NG HAIR!!!!" ;)

This may have been covered before in another thread having to do with a clients hygiene, but I just want to put out a friendly reminder to the SP's and MA's on CERB to check their breathe before an encounter. I have recently had a few ladies on CERB who I have met and their breathe was not great! If you smoke or drink coffee, then please chew a piece of gum, use some mouth wash, or a breathe mint before a meeting. Nothing can ruin the mood of a rendezvous then someone having bad breathe especially if kissing is involved. Hygiene is important for all of us, but let's not forget one's breathe as it is awkward for a gentleman to have to tell a lady that her breathe is not fresh!

Since the beginning of time, many women, in many different walks of life have "adjusted" their age - I think that is part of the "women's prerogative" thingy. What is more concerning is that someone would put a lady down because of her age (or for any reason). What motivates people to go out of there way to do such things? For me, one of the benefits of getting older is that it broadened the age range of women I find attractive. :) When I was 20, a woman over 30 didn't really appeal to me. I have come to appreciate the fairer sex for all they offer and I've come to learn that age has really nothing to do with a lady's charms - especially when it comes to intimacy.

I will probably get people disagreeing with me, but I have to say it. This debate comes up time and again. I realize that this service is different then many others, however many of the SP's act in a way that doesn't help the way the business is perceived. The way they advertise their services, by offering special prices, or special services, having a pricelist for services, even things like Duos for special rates makes what you are offering into a commodity. Now I don't want to get into discussions of Marx's economic theories, or discuss differentiation or fungibility but those all can apply to the service and the market and would make a very interesting discussion for those who love that stuff. However, once you are selling a commodity, many people are going to seek out value for money, and some people are going to want to negotiate. Sorry, it is a fact of life. You don't have to lower your prices, you can maintain your level of service for what you believe is appropriate compensation, but you need to be aware that some consumers are going to want to negotiate. The best you can do is politely refuse to negotiate, and if a client persists, end the communication. Many companies never have sales, never discount their products or services. They set their price and stick with it, knowing that people who really want their service will pay the price. SPs can do the same. You may lose some potential customers, but you have maintained your own standards and values. Sorry, but that is the way our market economy works, and ranting about it, is not going to change the way some people think. The best you can do is stick to your guns, and if someone gets persistent, rude, annoying, then just end the communication.

Going to go apply and register myself in a new business program at a private college that starts in September-it is a very competitive job market out there-so I am going to further my skills so I can up my chances of securing full time employment :) Feeling positive!!!!!

Couldn't agree more. I've found tips in the restroom after he's left, and was happily surprised.

Hell yes! Good breath! I am like the master of gum, I carry with my tooth paste and brush in my purse!! And everyone of tthe spas I work out of we have mouth wash available! Any bad smell comming from the moutj, the butt, anywhere in the body is a mood killer!!!! I don't smoke and as much as I am a coffee lover.. I only take my big dose early in the morning not during the day.. Cause even if coffe smells good on the pot it smells awefull coming out of your mouth!

I always have mouthwash and single-use cups for gentlemen to use when they arrive if they didn't have a chance before arrival, and I make sure to rinse - twice! before too. Totally agree... bad breath can ruin everything :(

@Shannoninwpg: you wrote :"If you are going to insult someone then make sure you are on the good side and don't mind a spank or 2 from the mod" I think you are not being fair to Craig. He has also been insulted so why point out only his?

Sweetie, I am sure both of these fine ladies would be able to accommodate your needs. Being disabled and in a wheelchair is something a lot of us have dealt with, so don't sell yourself short. Important to let them know ahead of time, but don't feel they would not see you because of this. They are both gems!

I know the ladies, more accurately Goddesses, I see make this 52 year old man feel like I am 40, hell even 30 years old again. But as young and beautiful as they are, they accept me for the 52 year old, overweight, bald man that I am. I wonder how many guys make the ladies feel like they have to fib about their age? Just saying, that's all RG

An offered/advertised special is far different than a flat out negotiation. I also never implied to speak for all ladies, actually, I made it quite clear that I didn't. Thank you for understanding the most important reason for this thread tho :) .... Reading ads and websites thoroughly is the only way to go!

My 2 cents: Many ladies do offer special rates when things are "slow" or like myself offer a reduced rate when nature gets in the way of FS...Does this make me a bad SP? No, I don't think so, and neither do the people who book that special. We don't all do things the same way, and if you do things differently, feel free to continue doing what works for you... but DO NOT imply that negotiable rates are wrong for EVERYONE, only yourself. As said previously in this thread, your voice is yours, not that of all SPs. Don't wanna be bargained with? DON'T REPLY. Asking about reduced rates/specials isn't a crime, but if the lady advertises non-negotiable prices then you can expect her to get angry about it. Continuing to bargain AFTER being told no is just annyoing. What else is there to discuss? End of story.

So, here is an example of someone who decided to listen to the minority on this discussion. He is a new member and thought, well, if they say its ok to negotiate, then I will. So, he contacted me a couple of weeks ago - very respectful and asked me my rates. He asked if he could see me for $50 less then my rate, and I politely told him I do not negotiate. He said, ok, I will contact you when I have the money. He then contacted another provider who is well reviewed. He asked her "can I see you for $50 less". She agreed. His experience is as follows: He really wanted a bbbj - he got a cbj. He wanted MSOG, he got SSOG. His total time from the time he left his car to the time he got back in his car was a total of 12 minutes. No kissing, no daty, she wore a basic outfit instead of the sexy outfit she usually wears. So, he went away disappointed. Yes, he got off, but he felt like he had received less then he hoped for. So, this is how she dealt with a negotiator. She gave less service then she normally does, and did this because he paid less then her rate. He came to see me, paid my rate in full, plus gave me a $100 tip for the great service I gave him. He got everything he wanted and left with the biggest smile on his face. I talked with her about this, and her response was "if they think they can get the same service as someone who pays my full rates, they have another thing coming - I don't have time for these negotiators, and this is the only way they will learn". I was glad she handled it this way, because this hobbyist will probably think twice before trying to negotiate with someone in the future. If you are thinking of listening to the fools that feel it is ok to negotiate, remember this, you will not get the same service as someone who pays the full rate - bottom line, there is not ONE provider out there that enjoys negotiators. They may agree to the reduced rate, but you will never get the same service as the one who pays her asking rate. Please stop trying to justify that it is ok to negotiate - you are just digging a bigger hole. Plus you are showing us your true colors. If you think that those that have not replied have not seen your idiotic justifications as to why you can, you are on the permanent do not book list. We all have one - are you on that list? To the gents that have come out and clearly shown that it is not ok to negotiate, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Just because we offer specials from time to time, it does not mean you can further reduce our rates. If you can't afford her, or have that mentality of "I want to get the lowest rate possible", please leave those of us alone and move on.

Really I started but I couldn't even read the whole thread. This is just too stupid to talk about. I'll just make a couple of points based on the discussion points that I did actually read: First: Any guy that attempts to equate this luxury with any other industry in an attempt to justify a reason for negotiation and is arrogant enough to come on CERB to try to make his case, just comes off looking like a douchebag. (Go on another punk board you might find some like minded sympathizers to pander to you) However, if you do try to negotiate with a lady where the (usually written rule) of no negotiation is EVERYWHERE then you sir don't just look like a douchebag, you are one! My uncle once told me something about luxuries that really stuck with me. I asked him how much he paid for his new Corvette and he replied, "Son, let me tell you something about money. If you truly have to ask the price of something, then you can't afford it." If the fact that a ladies requested donation might be 50 bucks lower after a negotiation and that is actually going to sway your decision to see her then you really shouldn't see her because you can't afford it. Or, quite frankly if you feel negotiation might get you $50 off and then you'll feel good because you bested the lady in some way, you're just an asshole! Second: I have visited with ladies with a rate structure from 200 per hour to 500 per hour and I can unequivocally say that rate is in NO WAY a reflection on quality. It is purely a business decision that the lady has made that works for her and her life situation. Bottom line, if you've got $250 don't go looking for a $300 lady.

Take a read of some of the ladies' websites, it clearly states negotiating or asking for a reduced rate is considered insulting and will result in your email not being replied to, or words to that effect. Perhaps reading the etiquette or Q&A section of many ladies' websites would make the negotiators realize how inappropriate and disrespectful negotiating is. Even if that doesn't spell it out clear enough for anyone wanting to negotiate, read this thread from start to finish including comments/thanks...how many ladies do you see posting saying "yes negotiate with me", and how many are saying don't negotiate, it's insulting etc And if a lady has a choice between seeing a client who is negotiating her rate down, and one who will respect her by paying her rate in full, who do you think she will see This lifestyle is a wonderful lifestyle, which is supposed to be mutually beneficial and mutual respect. But it is a luxury, not an entitlement. If you can't afford to see a lady, then don't, but don't insult her by trying to nickel and dime her rate down. Let her deal with serious enquiries from gentlemen who want to see her and will happily pay her donation at her stated rate RG

I think one comment back in the thread somewhere was comparison to McDonalds. Well, if i go to McD's I can't negotiate. I can order something off the menu and pay what the total is, and if I don't pay that total, I won't get everything I ordered, simple as that. And if I want more items, they will charge me for those items in addition. So not sure sometimes how some things get added into the comparison when they aren't comparable at all. One thing that does come to mind tho is why do these guys think sps post rates and/or tell them rates when they call? As an opening to negotiation, or because that is what we are charging for the services they are requesting? I am not sure what guys who don't negotiate think we are hearing, but most of the time it isn't 'can you take 20 off just today, for your half hour rate (or massage rate)?" It is much more likely to be: Can I get an hour for 120, FS with GFE, even tho 120 is what you tell him is your half hour FS rate. It is "I only have 50 (or 60) what can I get for that, (or I want a half hour FS for that)" even after you just finished telling him your (nonFS) lowest rate is 100. It is getting a call from someone who has been before, and the last visit they were short 20 so you agreed to see them anyway, now calls you up (everytime, not just once) asking for yet another 20 off the discounted rate, or they won't make the appointment. It is the guys who think they are negotiating, but when asked "what are you giving up in order for me to reduce by that 20 bucks", they don't plan to take any item off the menu, or even offer to stay for less time. This is not a negotiation, it is a hostage situation. Agree, or I won't make an appointment, and as others point out, this can be an intimidation tactic against newer sps (or even sps certain guys think are new because they don't usually advertise on a specific site). Bottom line, if we wanted to charge less for our time and services, we would be charging that lower amount. You won't have to ask. If we want to put on a one day sale with reduced rates, you will see them at that time, you don't have to ask. If we tell you specific rates for specific things, as I've told many callers, the rates either work for you or they don't. It isn't my responsiblity to provide at rates that do work for you. If you want to come to see me, and I gather you do because you phoned me, then pay the rate. I've also in the past said if 20 bucks means that much to you, best keep the whole thing and not come and see me. Because 20 bucks also means a lot to me.

I dont think in all cases it means that the offer FS. In my opinion I think they offer certain services that can not be advertised in the Massage section.. thats why they appear as SP.., not always meaning that they are offering FS. And yes there is a few SPs that also provide Massage Service... Again the best advise as mentioned by Kathryn is to ask politely the MA Or SP you are interested in... and not make assumptions ;)

If you're asking about the "SERVICE PROVIDER" designation under their name, that means that they are part of the SP-only access group. Their bio on the right ("I am a...") would be a better indication, and yes, some of us do offer both. When in doubt, a polite inquiry will clear up any confusion!

Actually, dear one, what we're discussing here is the fact that there really is a rule or moral code that is being broken when someone attempts to negotiate our fees. You may think this is silly or trivial, but we don't. The consequence for most men will be that they're not going to be able to see the lady whose rates they've attempted to challenge. A man may have the right, in terms of the free speech right, to launch a challenge, but he will also have to accept the probable outcome. We, on the other hand, are under no obligation whatever to accept his challenge as appropriate, reasonable or something we should consider accepting, nor are we under any obligation to see someone who has tried this. You see, for most of us, attempting to negotiate our rates is a violation of boundaries and, once someone starts that kind of thing, we know that there's potentially no end in sight. The next thing we know, he'll be trying to pressure for services we don't provide, or to forget using the condom for some things or even all things. He may decide he's entitled to run overtime significantly. Or he may consider that, having our address, he's should be allowed to drop by, unannounced, as "friends" often do. He might see these things as reasonable. Most of us see them as the thin edge of a very wide and potentially dangerous wedge.

I've personally seen quite a number of clients with differing capabilities. In truth it all started with a wonderful young man named 'Big Al'. He lived 8 hours away, suffered severe cerebral palsy and was very sad to be a virgin at 25. When I drove the 8 hours to see him the first time, I had no idea what I was in for. I had no clue that I would be responsible for doing everything. Including using a massive hoist to get him into bed. I suspect he didn't tell me all of this for fear it would scare me away. But I was determined to bring some much needed joy into this young man's life. To me, 'disabilities' are a complete non-issue. I have had clients tell me ahead of time, and I've had more than one never mention anything until I meet them. Either way, we ALL need intimacy and human contact. The body is a mere shell of the truly beautiful soul inside, and if physically some things don't work so well, then just enjoy the journey and worry not about the final destination.

Seems to be an important criteria personally to enjoy the experience. Some LFK, DFK sets up the mood. Some MA do kind of pull away and that can be a turn-off.

Yah, cash is best, not just for ease of use, but there is just something sinfully alluring and exciting about giving a lady an envelope with a wad of cash in it! Now, when I travel, I prefer email transfers for at least the deposit for a date, just in case I or she can't meet for some reason. Of course, we musnt forget the tip envelope either!!

This was my first massage with Samantha, it won't be the last, she's charming, smart, intelligent, sexy as hell. She's has a way about her that makes you comfortable and at ease as soon as she walks into the room. If you're having a lousy day, her smile will make you forget all about it right away, her body has all the right curves at all the right places and her skin is like silk. She has long golden locks, sultry eyes that will melt your soul, beautiful breast and a cute butt. If you want to spend some quality time with a beautiful women, Samantha's your girl. (Paradise Spa)

I agree with Peachka. I've been going to clubs for well over 10 years now, mostly during the day, and have never experienced any issues. Never even witnessed any fights, between dancers or otherwise. Daytimes are usually populated by business workers and such on their lunch break. Or people just finishing their work day and decide to stop in for a drink on their way home. Either way they can't very well go back to work or go home to their wives completely shitfaced or high as a kite lol. So daytimes are pretty tame when compared to the nighttime "party" atmosphere. There's also less dancers during the day which cuts down on the drama between dancers. Daytimes are very relaxed and easy going and offer a very different atmosphere than at night.

There's a lady I know personally who has been 21 for the last 5 or 6 years. I have asked her to give me her secret that freezes your age but she won't :( I use my real age and my real birthday as well. If anything in the past I have wanted to add a few years because I just can't wait to be 'dirty 30' (only 3 more months to go)

It is an interesting phenomenon, and sometimes what you will see connected to sp's moving locations and changing their names will be the same age is used for the new persona even tho she is technically 2 years older. It is a difficult business to be in to show older ages, for sure, and sometimes there is an old school mentality that says "younger is better", and sp's working for agencies feel that the most. They may be 30, but the agency posts them at 23, something they cannot pull off, but they are the ones face to face with client.s If that sp goes indy, she may be stuck with that age range, and have a hard time posting a more accurate one. Also, there is a sense that the age is already inaccurate, so those who use their actual real age have guys auto adding 5 years to it, and assuming their 30 is 35 plus. So some sps got into the habit of posting an age they can pass for, knowing that someone is already adding the 5 years they deduct the 5 in order to post an accurate age that someone will believe before they call, And then you have the ones who actually use their real ages, and comment that they do, and know that at least half the readers are saying 'yeah, right', and adding the 5 plus years to it already, if not more, because she's so adamant it is her real age. :) But, you also have to keep in mind the younger young ones. The ones who were actual 16-17 posting as 18 or 19 when they started. So are they staying the same age 5 years later, or are they simply now posting their real and legal age now.

I've described my very first time above, but there were other firsts. I thought I'd describe my first time in Europe. It was in the city of Vienna. I had only started my hobby a year and a half earlier and had only been with 3 professional gals at that point so I was still pretty much a novice. I was heading to a conference in Vienna and was thinking about what to do for entertainment. I did a google search on prostitution in Europe and much to my delight discovered that it was legal in Austria. I searched out a few sites in Austria, but having limited knowledge of German I had difficulty finding a site. The big problem is I couldn't tell from the ads if the locations were brothels or strip joints. Fortunately while I was in Vienna I found a web site that described the various types of establishments in Vienna, but most were some distance from my hotel. But then I came across a review of a Laufhaus on Juchgasse which was not too far from my hotel -- about 1.5 km away -- walking distance. So I drew myself a map and put on my shoe and my jacket and walked out to explore this place. I could find it. I missed the street and nearly got lost. A half hour later I got back to my hotel. Took another look at the map realized my mistake and back out I went. This time I found it... just a half block from a clearly marked police station. I thought back to that web site... I sure hope it was telling the truth about the legality. Anyway. I found the door. The building was about 8 stories high and on each floor was 3 appartments with a 4th appartment a half floor up. There was an elevator, but since I didn't know who I wanted to see, I walked up checking out each door. According to the site one walks in look at the girls photos on her door, if a green light is on, you knock; if the red light is on, you don't knock. Most of the ladies were occupied, so I kept walking up. I think it was the 5th floor I came to the door of a Tatjana. In her pictures she had very long black hair, long legs, she was wearing stockings with garters, a black see through top, and held a mask over her head. She was gorgeous. So I knocked. She was very tall. She looked about 10 years older than her photos, but still was very attractive. I asked her how much for 15 minutes. She said 50 euros. So she invited me in. We did the financial part of the transaction. She asked me if I wanted some water I had a drink of water, and fetched me a bottle of water. We got down to sexual business. She was very nice. It was a great experience... one of the best sexual experiences I had ever had up to that point. I don't think she kept track of time either, she didn't rush me or anything, but was rather nice company. The only disappointment was no kissing; oh, and not much conversation... as she spoke mostly Russian and I only speak English. The web site for the Laufhaus is http://www.juchgasse11.at/home/ but shes not listed anymore. I'd post a photo of her from the web site but I can't figure out how to do that.

My first SP was on a business trip in Calgary. I was so nervous but horny as hell ... so plucked the courage to call ... 5mins before she was due to arrive my boss who wasn't suppose to arrive in the city till much later calls me and says he'll be here in 10, see you in the foyer. The SP arrives looking gorgeous, I was a stuttering, nervous ..idiot. said I had to cancel .. but paid her for the full hour... easiest hour she ever had ;)

My first service provider was in Winnemucca Nevada at the Wild West Saloon. As you may know, brothels are legal in some counties in Nevada, but ironically not in Las Vegas per se. I had just finished a business trip in Lake Tahoo and wanted to do some sight seeing the high desert of Northern Nevada. In particular I wanted to go opal mining in the north west corner of Nevada. Well, that was my excuse to my wife for renting a car and spending a couple extra days in Nevada (and she did like the idea of some opal). I had originally planned to stop at the Mustang "Ranch" just outside of Reno, but I couldn't find it. The Mustang ranch is (according the web site) world famous for the model like quality of their girls. However Google maps had given me the wrong directions. I learned later that the entire brothel had been bodily moved about 5 miles further down the highway. After searching for it for over an hour I gave up and drove on towards the Winnemuca disappointed and still horny. I got to Winnemucca just before dark, checked into a motel 6 and got internet access. To my delight I discovered that there was a whole row of brothels along the highway in Winnemucca. So I got into my little rental car and drove to the nearest brothel. The only one that seemed open was the "wild west saloon, so nervous but horny, I opened the door and stepped in. I got in and was welcomed by a couple of aging cowboys and two scantily clad middle aged women. I sat down and was offered a free drink. I had a coke to calm my nerves. The girls came out to introduce themselves. I wasn't particularly impressed -- they were all in their middle ages -- not much younger than my wife. But I had committed myself so ok. I said I'll finished my drink before choosing. A blond lady, named Melissa, sat down beside me and started talking to me. She was not a beauty, but had enourmous breast that occupied my attention. I was by this time relaxing a little bit and was now turned on by the prospect of sex... even if the girls were not as beautiful as I had hoped. Melissa suggested we go in the back and discuss what I was interested in doing. She also told me that she had to check me over (presumably for warts, rashes, and other nasty things). Apparently I passed the test. This inspection is apparently required in Nevada, and also was done in one of the brothels I visited Australia. So Melissa then asked me what I was interested in. I said I'd like to have sex, then cuddle for a while and then have sex again. She said ok, well that sounds like a GFE for an full hour. I asked, "ok, so how much would that cost". She said $600. I did in fact happen to have over $600 with me... in part because I had won $200 at blackjack in Tahoe, but I had hoped to get more than one session with a lady. But picture this, the girl is in front of me on her knees, with her head level with my swelling organ. Looking down at her I see these enourmous breasts and sweet blue eyes looking up at me. At that point there was no way I was going to back out of it. So I said, ok. She took me up to her room, we did the financial business, and got down to the action of the evening -- beginning with a very nice massage and rolling right into intercourse. It was great. She was a really good lover. She had apparently be at the Mustang ranch until the previous year when the ranch was closed, then bought out, and moved up the highway. At that point in my life it was probably the best sex I had ever had. So it turned out to be great. I didn't notice immediately, but later realized she had a bit of a pot belly and I think she might have been pregnant, but I didn't ask. Nonetheless, it was a nice way to start this hobby. By the way I did find a couple of pieces of opal (one black and one white), but not quite jewelery quality.