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I'm definitely not a newer SP, but I feel a bit like the OP is trying to pull a fast one, defining the choice as between being willing to compromise on rates to keep a nice regular, and being a cold, calculating woman fixed only on the bottom line. That's a false choice. The fact is, there are plenty of really decent, enjoyable men out there who are willing and able to pay our rates. Ending up with a bunch of cheap regulars will only stress an SP out and is more likely to lead her into situations in which she rushes people or her quality of service suffers. And please don't make it sound like this is somehow easier for someone who doesn't need the money or who hasn't set goals for making a certain amount. I'm just such an SP. I've never been a go-getter. Other than keeping myself in jump money (which I don't even need anymore), I was never the type that had a list of expensive things to acquire. But that doesn't mean that I would ever be willing to spend more time with someone for less money just to see them more often. Because a woman like me isn't in the business to make lots of money, but to have lots of time. Suggesting she give you more for less is a bit like the guy who wants to pay you with cocaine and do it with you during the session. (And believe it or not, I've received that offer too many times over the years. :( )

Here we go again... I can't help but feel I've heard all this before. And trust me, if even I've heard it before then the ladies are probably sick to death of it.

Even down to the little details of Walt walking through the lab looking at the equipment, with a satisfied smile all to the tune of Badfinger's Baby Blue. Such a perfect song for the ending.

Yeah, this seems like a pretty dodgy offer to me. "If you give me a little off the price now, I really really promise to come back a lot more later!" Uh-huh. First off I agree with all the SPs' comments so far based on their experience, and their reasons why this isn't really a very good idea from the SP's point of view. But if you're determined to try, I'd say you need to be the first one to make an investment and take a risk. See your favourite MA as a steady regular for two years first at her full rate. Prove you're a genuine regular. Then maybe you can broach the option to pay her for, say, the next full year in advance with some kind of terms. But if you don't like the sound of that, then maybe it shouldn't be surprising if the MAs aren't lining up to take you up on your long-term promises, either. Just a thought.

I personally am a firm believer in Quality over Quantity. I tour full time, don't have a base city that I work from and I fully value the company of those I have previously spent time with. I am NOT high volume and make the most out of a few quality dates in the cities I tour too. I have an extensive screening process which allows me to get to know any potential new date very well prior to meeting. This helps to ensure we are a great fit for one another and that our time spent will be memorable. To some ladies, it is an in and out experience, to others it is creating an opportunity to expand on future company with the said gentleman. To each their own as there is always something for for everyone, it is just finding what is the best fit for what you are seeking. Let's face a few facts here regarding your questions, Everyone works for whatever their job is for the money, some enjoy their job more than others and for others it is just a means to pay the bills. This is true in any occupation, as well not all high volume ladies have a bad attitude or service, keep in mind it is what works for them. In a day in age where men seem to like to barter or low ball (things that were rarely heard of 4 years ago) as well as people asking for 15min dates, time that is not offered(ie 30mins) or a discount, what type of experience does one expect after devaluing another human being. Each lady runs her business how she see fit, and while the low volume option sounds great on a board thread, it may not pay her bills.

This rapport being looked for has nothing at all to do with discounted rates Rapport is about a chemistry/connection with a lady you like. If you find a companion you develop such a rapport with, and you like her, continue to see her. The reward of such a connection is the special relationship that can develop with a companion and gentleman. And a lady may genuinely enjoy the company of the gentlemen she sees, but she still sees them under a money/time arrangement, because it is her profession. It is not at all about seeing a companion for the maximum time possible as cheaply as possible. That isn't a sign of seeking a special relationship. It's just a sign of someone who doesn't respect the lady for the companionship she provides and her livelihood, which she does to pay her bills. A morning rambling RG

Short and sweet .... Work within your budget. A good clientele base does not come from giving deals. It comes from giving good quality service...or... simply having good folks to deal with .. or an awesome combination of the two and don't shop at Walmart......that's a frickin zoo there...seriously !! don't go there .... ;)

I find any "men's" body washes have strog scents, I'd stick with more gender nuetral brands like Dove or Softsoap.

Now THAT was a finale. One of the best I've ever seen. Great job.

Sorry, no but 'things' haven't changed at all. What you found 3 years ago was a unique situation with someone who is what might be called a nonpro. What you are trying to find is another non-pro, but you are seeking her in all the wrong places lol. I'm not trying to be a hard case here, but usually the rapport and give and take comes only after several visits, and I don't mean the 3 visits in 3 weeks, then you stop calling for 6 months because you aren't getting what you wanted from her (which sounds like unpaid extra time?) but an actual rapport built up over a year or so with several or at least regular consistent visits. I sometimes have this conversation with someone who is calling for the first time, often about the halfhour rate as in time/cost/services. It always seems to me that they are the ones overly concerned with these things, and less concerned about paying a fair rate (which is always what I am asking for) and not abusing the privilege (by staying beyond the time they have paid for and expecting it to be my gift to them, for what reason I am unsure. I don't know them, I don't owe them anything other than the agreed upon conditions of the session. I have new regulars who have no issues with the fees, and sometimes feel like giving a bit extra when they feel like they are going a bit overtime. which is great, because you know you are appreciated then. I have others who make the promises of being regulars, but all they need is......fill in the blanks. Most of the time they don't even show up the first time, let alone a 2nd time. To me, 140 seems like a reasonable amount to spend for an hour for a massage session no FS, and if you were getting more time than that, that is on the lady you were seeing, but in no way should determine or shape your expectations of what you are going to be able to get with that same amount now. If you expect or demand or delay in a way to go beyond what the lady is willing to give for that rate, then no matter how much you like her, she will no longer be 'available.'. Sps are often 'unavailable' to guys who are not OK with the rates/times they have set lol

Sigh... now I'm all sad. *snif* :( Really liked the finale; it did a great job of tying up lots of loose ends and giving us final glimpses of a few minor characters (way to go Badger and Skinny Pete!). I give this last-ever episode 9/10, and it loses the one point only because, unlike almost any other episode of Breaking Bad, you kind of knew ahead of time the major beats it had to hit and the mood it would strike at the very end. And yet it still got there masterfully. I'm thankful for a show that reminded us that television doesn't have to be "just t.v", but can in fact be real art.

Waking up screaming because your legs completely cramped up. Hurts like hell, and undignified as well...

I do find stating a "Walmart for everyone" rather undiplomatic. In my opinion that describes a rather cheap way of doing business. I doubt this is not so in many SP's eyes. Some are high volume and some are not. This does not make the SP a big box store rather than a boutique. This is not a flame to your post Hands On by any means, but rather a clarification on my feeling of using such a term. Everybody does business differently. And yes, I have grandfathered in some of my Regulars. Does this make me Walmart? It does not. It is my choice to do so. Not because I want them back, I already have them. My choice is to be low volume and establish a regular clientele. I prefer to spend time repeatedly with the same Gent. For me this is satisfying for both and we can explore further what each likes and wants. Yes I enjoy seeing new Gents, simply because of the thrill. It does in no way diminish the quality time of my regular clients as they are my sweeties. However I do not grandfather lightly. By seeing me weekly/monthly/whatever does not guarantee this will happen. There has to be communication, trust and chemistry. Time is really not important with me. Although if I feel you are taking advantage of that I will note the time. I know when an hour is up. I don't need to check the time, and if I am over by some minutes, so what. I will admit to losing time if I am with 2 or more others though and usually have to be reminded. lol Bottom line, my fee is for my time, and not negotiable.

I sustain myself on retainer guests, I seldom advertise but when I do it's because I'm seeking just a couple of those who want something long term. I will meet 100 guests to find 2 or 3 that "fit". I enjoy meeting new guests but in reality the vast majority of hobbyists are not good candidates for something long term and are very seldom "take it to the bank" reliable even if the price is right. I understand what the OP is saying but rest assured, so many guests come in singing the "I'll be here twice a month if you work with me on the rate" and when you do, they don't follow thru because what they are doing is simply hustling a deal for the moment. Been there, done that; got the t-shirt, burned it, took a shower and won't do it again. Now, if a client wants to renegotiate my rate then we look at the triad. Time, service, money. If they want a more reasonable rate, then they either have to sacrifice on time/service ratio OR prepay for set number of sessions to lock in the discount. This way, I know he's coming back. The "we click so therefore financials take a back seat" doesn't pay the bills. I'm low volume, I offer extraordinary service in the lap of luxury and if I had a dollar for every man who "promised" to be a good client I could by a new Volvo. A girl can't take promises to the bank. If a guest wants to have the discussion of keeping the service affordable for the long run with me then he will have to make a commitment that is more than lip service. If he's willing to show that he's serious, then I doubt any provider worthy of her fishnets would decline... cat

Lexy you definitely catch the imagination of so many on this board and drive it home with your enticing posts. Add in your support and caring and your ability to tell it like it is, your posts create a genuine atmosphere here and you are recognized across the country. Thanks for all your wonderful posts, looking forward to many more!

I think most if not all SP's would prefer some form of regular client base. I think like most businesses it's more costly in time, effort and advertising to develop a new customer than it costs to keep a regular one. Asked for advice once, I suggested that if one can develop a bit of a regular base client then that allows flexibility and some one can be more selective about services offered their price point and whom they offer their services to. Just like any business at 8:00 Monday morning the costs whether it's salary, rent, travel etc start accumulating. Everyone has a nut to crack and determining goals is helpful. Is it a part-time gig to top up income, is a full-time gig to pay bills and put food on the table. Is it temporary or a career path. Ultimately it's money in, money out like any other business. To sum up, I would not request special consideration as a regular and if some one's listed rate is out of my personal comfort zone, there is no need for a conversation about it. Peace MG

My Jessie lives! I guess my guests at my Breaking Bad party had bets on me crying if he died. Well yo bitches no tears. Ah aha ha. Perfect ending to a perfect and very addictive series.

I call mine "stupid piece of $h!t"!!

Great ending! Great show! Loved the scene at Gretchen and Elliot's house.

I don't think "monogamy of the heart" describes polyamorous people at all. A key feature of polyamory is the practice/capacity/openness to having multiple romantic relationships, not just sexual ones. I think the concept of "monogamy of the heart" is antithetical to polyamory, as it suggests that you can only be in love with one person at a time, and if you're not open to or capable of loving more than one at a time then polyamory is definitely not the right description for your non-monogamy. I think "monogamy of the heart" would better describe a more "open marriage" type of relationship, where two people are in love with each other and have sexual relationships outside their relationship, but aren't open to other loving or romantic connections. "Monogamy of the heart" also strikes me as something that must be descriptive, not prescriptive. The heart wants what it wants, and we can't control our emotions. Some people are just not wired to be in love with more than one person at once, but I think more people are inclined to want to be monogamous for their partner but are fully capable of falling for someone else at the same time. While I don't think I'd choose to use "monogamy of the heart" as a term, I do like differentiating between social, sexual and emotional monogamy, which are all very different concepts that tend to get lumped together under the umbrella of just "monogamy".

I enjoy seeing the ladies that I meet. Yes I have met a couple of ladies where the encounters are less SP/Client and more two friends getting together. But even in those encounters as with all encounters, I never forget, at it's very core, it still is a business transaction and for the lady it is her livelihood. I have never asked for, nor would I accept a discount if it was ever offered. In fact if a discount forced on me (not hardly likely or expected btw) all the lady would get is a much higher tip to offset the discount...for me I'm looking for, and appreciate the quality time I have with a lady. This lifestyle isn't about discounts. My experience generally speaking with the ladies I have met, isn't that they are just looking for money/time. Yes they do want to be compensated for their time, it is their livelihood after all. But they want to provide me with an escape, a memory, and hopefully a connection. And the escapes provided have a value far exceeding the donation asked for. I haven't experienced a money/time attitude from these ladies. I have experienced escapes, ladies who treat me with the same respect as much as I do them A rambling RG

I have to agree with what the wonderful ladies here have already said. At the end of the day this is some girls only way of financial success, and it is a job. One that many of us love and enjoy doing but it is still a job. As much as I love seeing regulars I expect that every once in awhile they would like to try a different flavor so to speak.... And I enjoy the excitement and thrill of meeting and enjoying the company of a new guest as well. Now say you see a girl and spend X amount when you go see them... they are you #1 Ultimate experience and say she gives you a break in her fee, because you see her often and you both enjoy each other.... How would that make her feel to know that your willing to shell out more money to see someone that is her direct competition??? Do you think she would feel valued??? or should you be punished because 9 out of 10 times you like Vanilla but every once in a while you want to try Chocolate or strawberry??? Asking or expecting a discount because you both enjoy each other can lead to hard feelings and sometimes more than what this business is...... Just my take on it. Kisses All xox

I had the unfortunate experience of falling for a bait and switch. Long time member here and have never done a post like this, but feel I should warn others. Pics and age are not real. Without going Into details. I just want to make everyone aware that the person is misrepresenting herself and unfortunately many people(myself included) fell for the old bait and switch.

I don't mean to be rude but what the %^*#^ is with all the bbfs requests? I took some time off and since I've come back, so many men have requested bbfs "even if I pay you more." NO... No, no and NO!! I will not offer bbfs (although I do bbbj) but that's a whole different story. Did I miss a memo somewhere? What's going on? I've been around for a while and I have NEVER had this many requests. People, please play safe, get checked regularly and please don't participate in bbfs! It's not just about pregnancy or bacterial infections! There are serious viruses out there! I'm just shocked by the number of requests, as if it's normal. Please, don't let this be the norm...

My husband and I recently had our first ever couples erotic massage. We did a lot of research online before deciding to go ahead with this new experience and decided to book with Hannah at Paradise Spa, she also works at the sister location Angel's Touch. The spa location was great, out in the west end, lots of parking, the room was very nice. We booked the getaway room which has a hot tub in the room and this was definitely one of the highlights of the session! Hannah was great! Super cute petite redhead with glasses :) She was very good at listening to our requests and questions. This being our first session we had lots of questions :) We didn't find out until the end of the session that we were Hannah's first couple, and if she hadn't said anything we would not have guessed it! She was great at paying attention to both of us throughout the session, we were both very satisfied ;) I would definitely recommend Hannah for a couples session!

This is Robyns 2 nd day at Angels Touch. Get there fast. She is stunning,beautiful and sweet. When I walked in and she said she was Robyn, I thought I hit the jackpot. Wow. Great massage (she nearly put me to sleep) in a good way, but I couldn't help staring. A warm, affectionate, all woman and a pleasure to talk to as well. Thanks for the great time Robyn and I would repeat everyday if I could.

Tiffany is a new lady at Paradise so I wanted to try her. Missed the duo opportunity with Crystal. :( ...but :) she knew what she was doing and is a natural. I dont think she has worked doing massage before, but you could not tell as she is as good as some of the greats. First I was struck by how cute she is. Next it took about a second to be comfortable. She has it together and you feel relaxed right away. Then the massage... I was surprised how quick we got into it. She enjoys it and it shows...a huge plus. Enjoy guys another star at Paradise.

Met up with Emily last night for two hours. She worked at EB for 10 years. This is why I thought she looked familiar. I must have had a session with her a few years ago on one of my rare visits. Her first outcall! Made it special by making use of my new hot tub just installed this week. Non-stop fun with lots of DFK, dirty talk. She has an ad on BP but it was actually Alisa (visiting SP) who referred me to her. The best CBJ service I have ever had. Very aggressive deepthroating skills. Not a clockwatcher. Our session well exceded two hours. I got the impression she was not going to leave until I was 100% drained. Highly recommend! Thanks Emily! I can't wait to see you again!

Congrats Lexy for 3000 posts. Great albums too!

Congrats Sexy Lexy! 3000 is awesome!

I had another rendezvous with the lovely Nikky again when she was here recently. Just like the previous time, it was a sweet memorable get-together. Wearing a tight little beautiful dress, she welcomed me in an upscale DT hotel with lots of hugs and kisses. Nikky is indeed a very beautiful and adorable young lady! She was as sweet, elegant, gorgeous, friendly and down-to-earth as I had first seen her. She suggested that we get comfortable, and soon after, her beautiful dress and my clothing all came off quickly. I could not help but being awestruck by her beautiful and well-proportioned spinner body. I just love and appreciate the way she touched and caressed me while we were in session. This is an indication that she was really into it and that she was enjoying the moment. After the unforgettable main event, I offered to give her a whole body massage. She seemed to enjoy and appreciate it very much. But, little did she know that I enjoyed as much as she did! Her smooth, toned and tight body was so wonderful to touch and feel! I enjoyed my time with Nikky so much that I will not hesitate to go see her again when she returns next time.

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I keep a few different varieties of men's body wash in my restroom. The best one in my opinion and also the one that my guests seem to use most is the "Dove Men's Care: Sensitive". It's labelled as "Unscented", however it does have a very mild light scent (I have a super keen sense of smell), but nothing compared to some of the other options. I agree that it is actually pretty hard to find unscented men's products, as I have looked high and low, and this is the best one I have found.

When I thought the show ended 2 epps ago I was cool with it. This finale did tie up quite a few loose ends and I'm happy with that. I laughed when he put his bacon into a 52 and yes, the choice of music was spot on.

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I agree with everything said here. Been a while for me too.

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She's been around for at least 20 years. I haven't seen her for about 8 years myself for no reason other than no BBBJ. Assuming she hasn't changed much and her menu is the same, you can expect a safe GFE with a very friendly, curvy lady with one of the finest racks in town. The price was right too, the last time I saw her.

as long as its not a 50m long trail of naked men, head to toe, then ill volunteer to help train!

Belated, but sincere, Best Wishes...

What a wonderful art!

it's not just girls, it's men too. I can't tell you how many times I've had clients try to get a reaction from me about something they see as juicy gossip, only to get a blank stare and a change of conversation in response. Unfortunately gossip will exist no matter what business you are in. I've encountered it everywhere, in every place I've worked. All you can do is stay quiet, and stay out of it. If you react, or feed it, then you're a part of it. I've had some pretty incredible rumours spread about me. It can make me laugh, and it can hurt. But the way I deal with it is to stay out of it. When someone comes to me and tells me a wacked-out story they've heard, I think my word is taken as truth mostly because I present myself as a non-gossipy, trustful person. If I don't gossip about other girls, but those same other girls gossip about everyone.... then who's word is to be believed? If people need to put others down in order to feel better about themselves, I feel sad for them. But I do my best to not let it effect me. That's all you can do, really.

Quite right!!!! No wiener pics!!!! Really guys, your little fella may be your pride and joy but frankly she has seen mine and it is so much better than yours, really. Plus it's a known fact that emailing a picture of your penis decreases your sperm count and by exposing it to the internet, you could get a virus. Not a Trojan virus because you didn't wear one when you snapped the pic... you should have worn a condom... and now you will have cooties. Penis cooties. The worst kind of cooties. Penis cooties eat your penis from the inside out. You'll be standing there with a happy Johnson and one day it will just collapse in on itself. Fall off on the floor. Your cat will drag it away and eat it. Then your cat will die. Your kids will hate you due to the fact that you killed the cat. Your wife will leave you for a non penis emailing man because you are now a eunuch. You will have a mangina. Your mangina won't be of much use either because the cooties will eat that too and not in the good way. You will lose your job and become a homeless, penisless, pennyless, rotten mangina cootie freak. You will probably end up being run over by a bus filled with men who have never emailed a picture of their penis to anyone. And you deserve it.

You will be busy taking in the sights of her in a skimpy number, she may then crawl over to you and remove her bra exposing her breasts Lightly touching, licking and barely touching her lips heading slowly up your inner thighs, followed by feathering her bottom lip and/ or tongue in unmentionable places. A light smacking of your cock against places nearly insinuating that she may give you what you truly desire, while gently caressing other intimate places..... there are sooo many ways to get a man "ready" without even getting a bj, if this is holding you back from seeing a provider, you need to stop worrying and go have a yourself a good time! I would focus your thoughts more on how are going to avoid being too excited once she is baring herself in the sexiest of lingerie and heels. If she knows what she is doing you will be hers to devour in her secret lair. She may tell you how badly she wants to take you all in.....while she then demonstrates her deepthroat abilities, lastly allowing you to fuck her face (if she does this) Those things and or a neverending amount of other little detailed actions that make any blowjob covered of not a truly unforgettable experience. It's no fun to tell all secrets..... go and experience it. A bj is only one part (in my case multiple times) of an encounter. xo