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I have to agree with CC, I have not told this to many people... in fear of being judged...But I thought I would share anyways...so please do not judge. Lots of love J.W. I myself as a child was abused by both my parents & C.A.S. staff. I remember everything like it was yesterday...I was maybe 5-6 when it started..my parents split, made me choose who I wanted to live with..it was hard I chose my dad. My mom did not do well with that. They were constantly fighting & arguing. & my brother & I were the targets in the way. I was maybe 11 when my dad and his wife had sent me away to C.A.S.. As soon as my dad & they did that my mothers mom my close nana committed suicide because of it. In C.A.S. I was hit,picked on & yelled at all the time & I just blew...I was in and out of the system because I do think all the physical, mental & emotional abuse is what pushed me to that point as a young pre-teen/teen..I eventually left my parents & C.A.S & decided to change. I have to admit tho if it were not for what I went through I would not be the person I am today. I am so happy, humble, respectful & kinda greatful for what I went through...cuz I would not be where I am today. Not in the system, no more abuse & just thankful for the lessons I have learned...try to think positive & I try not to dwell on my past...but to move forward.

Morning If there is one subject that gets my blood pressure up and the "mean and ugly" comes out, it is child abuse (closely followed by the abuse of vulnerable women). Over the years I have been lucky enough to lead / raise funds for shelters like the Yellow Brick House in Aurora and the various Interval Houses in Eastern Ontario, and have seen the damage done to these folks. Assuming they are strong enough to fight through all the issues resulting from the abuse, I believe that they will be strong advocates for those who are not as strong. In my opinion, we need to protect the vulnerable, but especially the children and to provide them with any and all options to help them not only survive but thrive. Also my opinion, now this is the "mean and ugly Tom" coming out, once charged and convicted, public humiliation, and knee-capping, then putting them in with the general population in our penal system. What happens there is called street justice. Sorry if I have offended, but to me it would be a reasonable way to help protect the kids and women who are unable either physically or mentally to help themselves.

Are you surprised by the latest statistics? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/one-in-three-canadians-has-suffered-child-abuse-study-says/article18093004/ It is certainly a sadness and a cause for a lifetime of issues if it isn't addressed and treated. Many who've had troubles or committed crimes may be victims of child abuse. So should they then be excused or at the very least treated differently? Some go through their lives having suffered abuse and live normally without causing or having troubles. I don't think what we've experienced should ever be used as an excuse but perhaps a reason for. We are after all the end result of our upbringing/parenting, environment, circumstance, friends/mentors, economic standing . All these factors play into a persons mental health as an adult. However I think how we are parented is the most important and largest determinant as to how we develop as adults. Or is it simply about Newton's third law, every action has a reaction Your opinion?

Abuse happens way more than anyone wants to acknowledge. That's how most people deal with it, they turn a blind eye and ignore it. My dad was a highly respected member of the community. A councillor who had friends like the mayor, the chief of police, an MP, and he was on the committee that ran our church, and he was the director of the Sunday School for forty years. Nobody outside the family knew he was an alcoholic and a binge drinker, and was nothing but a jerk to us kids and a mean drunken bully to our mother. But NOBODY would have believed us if we had said anything. Or maybe everyone knew and chose to pretend it wasn't happening? Impossible to tell when you are a kid.

Thanks C.C. it is not an easy topic for anyone to openly share or speak on. I'm glad I could share my story & possibly help another male or female find the inner strength to speak up, get help or even to stop it & not allow things like that to happen...abuse is abuse...& it can happen in adulthood too. I hope I help at least one person move forward in life. I definitely did not have the greatest childhood...but I am kinda thankful for what I have gone through...because I dont think I would be where I am today & it has made me the the strong woman I am.

Jody, thank you so much for sharing your painful and truly personal story. It takes great strength to speak openly about something so hurtful and personal. In doing so you may have helped someone so be very proud and no one will ever judge you for being open and sharing, if they do, shame on them. Big hugs Jack:) No I didn't know that, thank you and if that's true, shame on him!

Thank you for sharing Jafo. I'm so very sorry for your past experiences but I'm in admiration for your strength and ability to share. Hugs to you.

I was raised by my biological mother and my biological father was not in the picture. I experienced child abuse (physical and psychological), sexual abuse, and witnessed domestic violence as a child. That stuff stays with you for ever. Maybe not on a concious level but it is always there in the subconcious mind. Even if you get help to deal with it. I got help when I was 15 and it helped for a few years. After leaving home at 15. I had a few good mentors to help steer me into adulthood. If it was not for them I do not know how I would have turned out. I am sure now that those early life experiences interfeared with my ability to have lasting meaningful relationships. I have always dealt with depression through out my entire adult life. A few years ago I was also diagnosed with adult Asperger's. About ten years ago I learned that I have a younger half sister and two older half brothers. (same biological mother). I thank god that they did not have to go through the things I did growing up.

Cristy, did you hear the Pope thinks gay adoption is child abuse ? Since when did the Catholic Church become experts on ch.... oh yeah right, nevermind. ;)

Really. For what you are receiving from one of these fine ladies you are concerned about your $10????? Would a $10 tip be too much on a $200 plus/less service? If you paid even $100 at a restuarant would you leave exact change? I can't believe this has even been asked. If you feel the need to pay the exact amount only then take the time to collect the exact amount. Hard not to be discouraged by the topic. Have a great day ladies.

Although we are all a product of our environment and life experience, especially in the formative years, many people transcend child abuse, poverty and a generally crappy start to life and become solid citizens. That is not to minimize in any way the sadness of those that seem to be permanently damaged by these horrible occurrences. It's the "Nature / Nurture" discussion that has been going on forever without a definitive conclusion. My heart goes out to anyone who experienced child abuse whether they were able to get beyond it or not.

It's always great to see newer members contribute to our community! Great job Lucky, keep them coming!

One of my neighbours stopped to talk to me today and asked many questions, lol. Do I live alone, where do I work, then she caught me off guard by telling me how sweet and pretty she thought I was. I was so touched and flattered and somewhat embarrassed. The first time in a while I was lost for words, lol. But it's always a highlight when someone pays a compliment.

Lulu lemon cropped pants, yup it's almost summer......somewhere!!

Feeling great today after a yucky Tuesday of headaches :)

Similarly, I usually end my business meetings with one last cup of my client's ass.

ginchuck2, I am also French but pronounce it CERB... lol Just like the French pronunciation for cercle, cercueil etc.... Right? lol And it's so much more CEXY to say CERB!! ;) lol

I pronounce it Serb.

....Ten year olds know when armpits stink...... I can't believe this happens....lol

This is kinda weird, but... A couple of weeks ago I had a privacy scare in which I believed someone in my personal life outside of CERB found out about my activity here. Needless to say, that freaked the hell out of me. So, probably over reacting in a panic, I deleted everything I could on my profile and went dark. Anyway, as it turns out, the panic was for nothing and everything is cool. So, now I'm "rebuilding" my profile etc. With that said, sorry for the confusion I might cause by sending out friend requests again shortly. Thanks. :)

Congratulations Luckyme on hitting the thousand post milestone Looking forward to your next thousand contributions RG

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Congrats Luckyme on your hard work! :) Many more to come!!!!

Congrats Luckyme on reaching your first;)1000. I'll look forward to your next 1000, keep them coming and thank you for all your contributions:)

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I agree with your point about this being a continued discussion but I do think there is enough evidence that child abuse does cause significant issues and ones that can shape a persons adulthood. Like all discussions those involved will have differing and like minded opinions. But I think data, evidence, and similar experiences with those who have experienced child abuse speak to it's affects.

We missed you too Miss Lee

I didn't know anyone pronounced it as "kerb." I can't think of a single English word that starts with "ce" where it is pronounced with a hard "k." Cerberus, cereal, cervix... Anyway, to each their own. I don't think anyone would think you are referring to a Kenyan reco board.

I agree with you Midnight...was picturing the whole scene and felt aroused myself mmmm. condo towers hmmm...that reminded me of one time in a Toronto hotel..was on the balcony and could see a couple making out..loved it lol

That's fucking deliciously beautiful. I pictured all that in my mind and it was so hot and arousing.... self pleasure is an amazing thing and has it's own place just as does all forms of sex and sexual/sensual arousal.

Still wondering how someone is going to "take advantage of the new laws" when they haven't even been written yet.

So many "interesting" comments and speculations made in this thread... If this keeps up, it will be that time again:

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I have been to strip clubs here in Ottawa and in Portland, Oregon, both cities where I have lived. I was previously married, and while living in Portland my now ex-wife took up dancing. Portland was interesting in that they had a tremendous number of strip clubs for a relatively small city, a thriving alternative community, yet very conservative rules around obscenity. As a result, any form of contact was strictly forbidden and carefully monitored. Dancers there made most of their money off their stage sets. Many of the dancers pulled in more than $300 a night, sometimes without a single private dance. They ranged from tall and curvy to short and small, some with tons of body art, others with none. There was a flavour, so to speak, for every appetite. Ottawa isn't much different, except that we are a lot more lax with our rules. I *do* think this has generally detracted from the entertainment aspect of the experience, and perhaps created an environment where competition is driven by "extras inflation"; how far you are willing to go determines how busy you'll be. I don't think clubs are any worse today than they were in the past. I don't find the dancers any less attractive, and would even venture that I find them generally better looking. My tastes tend towards the spinner variety, though, so maybe there just tend to be more that fit that pattern now than in the past. I *do* miss the entertainment of a good stage show, but, really, how many of us go to a club to be at a distance from the lady we are admiring? I doubt the idea of a brothel at the Fax will ever happen. As others have mentioned, there are too many licensing and regulatory hurdles to vault before that could ever happen. It's just too high profile. But, saying the ladies look too much like sex workers? Really? That's not being honest or calling it like you see it, that's being carelessly crude. You can't really expect people to respond well to that.

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I'm 54 so I have visited strip clubs in various city's around Canada for about 35 years.... have the changed... of course they have... like all businesses they gave adjusted their service offering to reflect the environment in which they operate. I delighted to see that I no longer go into clubs and see ladies required to wear pasties as full nudity was not allowed or that if you wanted a private dance you could not drink in the same room.... things change and people will see positives and negatives to the changes.... for the ladies who preferred no contact the move to it being the norm was seen as a negative while others saw it as a great way to bump up their revenue. one think I have missed at the clubs as they gave moved to more lapdance/contact venues us the amazing dance shows some of there ladies were able to do. As for the beauty of the ladies at the clubs then vs now.....all I can say is I have never had a problem finding a beautiful lady at the clubs. 30 years ago there was no tattoos and no body jewelry... hair styles were different.... people dressed differently...hey but before we judge.... go back and look at some pictures of yourself from the past what we think is sexy changes with time and in my opinion that is not a bad thing..... would I get a tattoo or piercing. lol... most likely not... have I met some amazing sexy beautiful women who have YES. In my opinion anything that makes a lady feel sexy about herself is ok with me. Bottom line... i can't go back to the past so the things I miss about then will remain as fond memories... there are however so many new fond memories to make. Just my opinion.

No doubt, but to dismiss and subsequently insult an entire group based on your affection for the good of one era is foolish. The poster who claimed that contemporary dancers looked as poor as sex workers compared to dancers from his cherished early 90's insulted both current dancers and SPs. You know, the whole reason he's probably on this board.

I'm relatively new to this lifestyle although I did go to a few strip clubs in my younger days. But something I have observed in this lifestyle is ladies with tattoos and piercings, mind you I have observed this on ladies who are "civilian" for lack of a better word as well My point, and I have met some lady's with tattoos and piercings, is that those tattoos and piercings compliment a lady's beauty. It doesn't detract. Just because you aren't into tattoos and piercings is just a matter of personal taste. It shouldn't be viewed as a fact that there has been a decline since the 80's. Frankly I haven't seen a decline in beauty at all. And there are some of us gentlemen who see tattoos and piercings as complimenting a lady's beauty. An Easter rambling RG

Flight, with Denzel, earlier this week, 12 years a slave, awesome

Gentlemen would be astounded by the number of men who ask for change back but in my experience it's usually for the lower priced encounters. When I worked for an agency in Atlanta, they had appointments priced at 15 minute increments. Almost without fail, the client would arrive with $20's and want the $10/$5 change. At first I would scramble to give it, sometimes counting out quarters to ensure they got it; then the agency owner clued me in that it wasn't my responsibility to ensure they have the correct change. The clients knew the agency policy and were told on the phone to arrive with the exact amount but because I was new, they took advantage of my inexperience. I remember thinking to myself while giving it to them "If you can't afford to tip me 5/10$ then you can't afford to be paying for pussy; get your priorities straight!". Some peoples children... cat

I know that there are clubs looking at doing this in Toronto and one of the big owners of Vegas Brothels wants to open a Brothel up in Toronto depending on the laws... but the closest law change I've seen is going to a Nordik model which from my very limited information means its not illegal to sell sex ... just to buy it... (Puts all the fault on the client) Wait until you hear an actual law that decriminalizes both the provider and the client and makes it 100% legal to work in the sex trade... then I think it might be possible that Brothels are opening up ... but I find it hard to believe again that one would open in the downtown Market... though BF does seem to have the room unlike other places like Barbs.

This is not Las Vegas, at least yet. No new laws have passed. And if it happens it will be an opportunity for the government to collect new tax revenue.

I have not seen this thread recently and I am sure there are lots of people who could use a hug today. So if that's you, take this and savor it. :) Have a great day!

Yeah, really. The fact that some men need a reminder of this is a head scratcher! Heck, I had my first encounter last week and I: 1) Showered 2) Shaved 3) Trimmed my nails, made sure clean 4) plenty of deodorant 6) Brushed teeth 7) Mouth wash. 8 ) And, I'm a smoker (so gotta fix that), so I chewed 2-3 pieces of strong gum shortly before I showed up. The lady actually commented on my nice breath, lol. Moto for the Hobbyist: Hygiene is Sexy!

No one is here to scold anyone and not everyone cares to bother with hygiene and this is disrespectful because they really don't care about the person they are coming in contact with and that's a shame. I once vomited in front of a customer because of his hygiene. Yes, it was that bad! By all outward appearances he looked like a normal, respectable person but he just didn't bother with himself that day which upsets me because I'm on the receiving end! All other sessions with him were fine. Next time you debate about even washing your hands when an SP offers you to freshen, just do it. It's the right thing to do. If you don't wear deodorant in your everyday life, think about the person you are about to engage with in an intimate encounter and what they have to endure. Just wear it for the encounter or don't expect the greatest service. As a provider, what do people expect us to do?

What the hell.....you serious? I always thought smelling good when knowing (or even just hoping) that you were gonna get laid was common sense! How hard is it to bathe, put on deodorant, and rinse with mouthwash before a date? I've always just thought it made sense to approach an encounter with a SP as I would any actual date. Would you show up to a date smelling like ass?

I have watched this thread and sat holding my tongue but my edit button has imploded so here it goes... Miss Gabriella, thank you for starting this thread! To the ladies who have weighed in, thank you. Pistol Pete, your hygiene is not in question here. You are far to much of a gentleman to be so blatantly ignorant of such a delicate detail. But... I personally know of a cerb member who claims to have impeccable hygiene which I know for a fact that the times I have met him, it was intolerable and I could not say anything for fear of offending as he is a lovely human being. After the last visit, I decided I simply cannot do it anymore and will not see him professionally ever again. Thinking that it might just be my olfactory perception out of whack, I followed up with other providers who know him and they all had the same experience with him. From his point of view, his hygiene is ticky boo but in reality it is an obstacle most of his providers can't overlook without gagging. This shows me that these threads are necessary, not just for the newbies but the seasoned hobbyist as well. If it saves one provider from having to deal with the gut wrenching smells of putrid B.O., crack chunks or the remnants of a human cheese factory, so be it. Providers are a sensitive lot and we avoid saying anything that may offend. What we can't say face to face, we bring up here. If it seems repetitive, so be it. Dealing with foul odours over and over and over again is more than redundant, its repulsive and repugnant and my second greatest challenge in my work... cat