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Meeting my daughter and taking her out to a restaurant to celebrate her big 19th birthday!! YAY!!

This is a very sad topic. I've heard so many stories about children being abused and it really breaks my heart and upsets me. I was very blessed to never had suffered from any kind of abuse and not only that, I grew up surrounded by loving people but not having experienced it does not mean that I do not know how it can ruin a kid's life. I really wish I could do more to fight child abuse and I also wish it wouldn't exist, but it does and maybe one day I will be able to contribute against it for now all I can do is ask all of you reading this who have kids, to love them, be kind to them and also to always trust them more than you would trust anyone else and have great communication with them, many kids abused by people who aren't their parents never say anything because the parents do not hear them for the little things and do not have communication with them always being busy so make time to talk to your kids, show them that you believe what they tell you and keep in mind that if turns out to not be true it doesn't mean the kid lied, they have a different perspective than us, in other words, always take your kid's side, it can make a huge difference.

Gentlemen I know not respecting my boundaries or the type of encounters I offer, when you put me in a position where I am not comfortable we won't be visiting any more. END of story.

I'm thinking...no... Hmm... Cat owners know...

Some municipalities are defining the word "Escort" improperly here in Canada! In municipal by-law's some cities here in Canada have defined the word "Escort" as a person who goes on paid dates but does not participate in sexual acts with clients in exchange for money. They do this as they want to license escorts but they do not want to accept that the escorts are having sex for the money (that would make them pimps and pimping or "living off the avails" is illegal in Canada). We all know that the term "Escort" is a person who is a "Sexual service provider" also known as such things as a "Call girl", "Courtesan", "Prostitute", "hooker", "Whore", "Harlot", and many other names. Many of the names are demeaning and not respectful as we all know so the ladies choose to use better words such as "Escort" so that they are not grouped in with the women who solicit sex illegally on the street (Also illegal in Canada). In Canada being paid for sex is legal and paying for sex is also legal. What is not legal is pimping, underage of 18, public solicitation / communicating / procuring for the purpose of sex and keeping a bawdy-house. Your common "out-call" service provider who does not solicit in public, does not have a pimp, is of legal age and charges for sex is not breaking the law! So why can they not call themselves a "Escort" in some municipalities? Because the municipality writes these by-laws defining the word "Escort" to mean something that it is not! Most municipalities do this to try to get rid of the ladies. Many of you think they do this because they want to make money off the girls... but that is not true! They don't want the girls in the cities at all. They want to force them to move to another city or quit being a prostitute all together. They use any revenue made from the licenses to further police (and I say police but remember they are not real police they are paid city officials that are actually by-law enforcement and can not charge anyone with a criminal code charge - as much as some will try to make you believe they have this power) Some cities are going to even greater lengths by asking the local police to accompany the by-law officers and try to entrap a few ladies into public solicitation (so that they can stir some fear in the ladies). Yes, they are actually doing this! You can read a thread here on cerb where one lady was tricked into going for a drink at the bar in the lobby of the hotel where she met her date... the date tried to talk to her about sex acts and next thing you know she was being arrested. Yes this is entrapment and she did know better... but I guess she felt the conversation was private enough and he was a good actor (she paid the price) but this is low! She did not want to go to the bar to have a drink with this person and he pretty much demanded it just so he could trick her and charge her. Nice eh! Makes me sick too! A note to the municipalities, We know many by-law guys and probably city officials read sites like this. You should as this should be a big fear for you. Bulling people is fun until all the people you bully get together and form a community and rise up against you! The definition of a ESCORT is "a person who provides a SEXUAL SERVICE to a customer and exchanges SEX for MONEY" - For your information... this is LEGAL in Canada! Just because you make a by-law that redefines the word "ESCORT" to suit your needs it will not hold up in court! You can not pass a by-law based on your MORAL REASONS and you can not charge a ESCORT a LICENSE FEE knowing that they have sex for money as this makes your city a PIMP and you are in turn LIVING OFF THE AVAILS OF PROSTITUTION and you are breaking the law!! With the INTERNET and communities like this one here on CERB the ladies are starting to UNITE and work together! Activist groups are now challenging the laws in court that take rights away from sex trade workers - don't think that this will not trickle down to the municipalities who are also taking away legal rights of people! It will not be long till you bully the ladies enough in your city that they unite and challenge your moral based by-law in court. It will end up costing your city a fair amount of money and one nasty slap on the hand to tell you that you can not take rights away from people who are not breaking the law (just because you don't like what they do for a living!) You should take the advise of your town lawyers who have probably told you that passing a by-law like this can backfire, it's only a matter of time before the ladies unite against you (any many men support them - every day more are supporting the ladies publicly as well as it's not so taboo any more to employee the services of a sex trade worker. It is the oldest profession as you know! Keep in mind that with todays technology (the internet) it's much easier to communicate and form communities (Like this one) you and other cities could bully the ladies in the past (knowing they would not group together) but you are very wrong if you think that will continue in this day and age... it simply will not hold true! Bottom line... No matter what you do you will not get rid of prostitution in your city - Too much need and demand for it - let's face it... if no demand existed you would not have such a large number of ladies working in the profession now would you!?!

I read an article that quoted a female Police supervisor saying that virtually every condo and apartment building in Toronto has a provider. Somehow, they manage to keep the peace, despite everyone's fears and police interventions. It's been operating like this for a very long time. All the new laws need to do is protect the sp's working in these buildings and homes.

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Aww That is so sweet, enjoy. She is lucky to have you and you her. I remember when I turned 19 it was my first time going away from home and my dad drove me to my friends, from where we departed. I remember how he cried, it touched me so. My dad is now gone-cancer. Thank you for the memory:)

The law should realize no matter the country nor the laws people are going to find away around the stupidity of trying to block consenting adults from partaking in needed services. http://www.thelocal.de/20140417/new-app-helps-johns-find-prostitutes

I'm apparently not as good with words as you are. I'm actually rather at a loss for them right now. We are all thinking of you. Even though we haven't met you've influenced me in a way I never expected. Watching this group of people rally around their friend, make jokes, offer support.. You made me see this as a community. Thank you for that. Have a drink for us and enjoy your time with whomever is lucky enough to have you. Maybe two drinks. ..or three.

Pink! Now at this very moment commando as per usual....

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Fifteen minutes!!! Gosh... that is not even enough time to have a cup of coffee and find out about her day. Wait a minute... we are talking about having sex with a woman, a real woman, and not an android or sex doll. The SP's I know are all real women. If you treat her like the lady she is -- it goes a long way. Sometimes a quickie is fun but it still takes some prep time. There needs to be a connection and chemistry for it to work. How do you keep it sexy and spontaneous? I know that most SP's focus on my pleasure and not theirs but I think both are equally important. If you keep her pleasure in mind that it will help keep the door open for future encounters with her. That requires spending a lot more than a 15 minute rendezvous with her. Personally, I find that two hours is best, but that is just my opinion.

I took this one to a new level several years ago. I ran out of dish washer detergent so what the hell, I'll just use laundry detergent. After spending a few hours cleaning up the foamy disaster I had the bright idea to phone the local appliance repair guy who lived close by to come and fix it. Needless to say after his barely concealed laughter stopped and he explained the differences between the two detergents, I felt like the idoit of the year.

I really like Karmen & Scarlette. Karmen or Mandy66 has been reviewed here a lot. Just do a search. She's now indy and offers massage in a nice condo. I use to see her at cmj, but its fun to visit her in this discreet location. Its like a sexy adventure. You have the whole place to yourself!! Plus her duo partner is stunningly attractive. Scarlette is dark haired and has many cool tattoos. Still dreaming about that ass!! These hot vixens are very affectionate with each other too ;)

And I don't get this. This is at least the third time this has been expressed in this thread. Why would someone assume an SP could willingly provide a service directly opposite of what she advertises? Especially a service as polarizing as bbbj vs cbj? Am I missing something by taking an SP's website at face value?

Well, I guess the alternate pronunciation has been officially 'kicked to the curb'...umm, I mean surb...oh, never mind.

I find that when I masturbate these days it takes longer than it used to. Recently, I had a mini marathon masturbation session. I got comfortable in my king sized hybrid waterbed. I had my iPad and Porn Hub was spooled up and ready to go. Add lube and for the next 90 minutes I would bring myself to the edge and then backed off, again and again. When I finally let go and ejaculated I felt like Peter North. It felt amazing. I shot ropes! The first jet arched high in the air and splashed down on my chest, the second and third blasts landed on my thighs. The prolonged build up seemed to add pressure and volume to my ejaculate. Now if I could only do that on command!

Just read this now. Respectfully Cleo, it was not my intent to insult other ladies who offer 15 min appts. I was simply saying that it makes me feel a certain way ( i.e. a device for a quick release rather than feeling like I'm being treated like a person) and especially since I DON'T offer these sessions and make it quite clear in my ads. Receiving these requests after those who don't decide to fully read my ad is annoying and shows that they clearly are dismissive of my boundaries. And imo, that is the height of ignorance. Those are my feelings and we are all entitled to what we feel and what we are willing to offer and not offer. While you may feel differently, we are all different and provide different experiences as service providers.

For some reason I can't help but picture this: But yeah, no judgement on others, to me it sounds more stressful than fun. If I'm going to get to enjoy an encounter, I want to it to be a real experience. Hard to do that when you've given yourself less time than the previews last at a movie.

I had an amazing time with Karmen and Scarlette at their condo. They offer a super hot duo massage experience that I highly recommend. The location was easy to find. Havind the entire place to ourselves,we had a great time!! We got to know each other while listening to some cool tunes in the living room. Karmen is Mandy66 on here so you can look up her profile and many great reviews. This was my first time seing her as an indy with her duo partner Scarlette. Mandy is as sexy as ever and really fit; she mentioned doing kickboxing. I have to say it was a huge turn on to see her be so affectionate with Scarlette. She has dark hair and cool tattoos. That ass!! Check out their profile on here for some pics. Both ladies are really skilled MAs that like having a good time and their positive energy is infectious.

We all have our moments and we can blame them on a myriad of reasons, carelessness, in a hurry, stress, simply not paying attention, etc. What have you done lately that you'd call stupid:) my latest was pulling the mirror off my car backing out of a car wash, lol.

the nerve of some people!!! Maybe it was an honest mistake. Maybe he is not aware of the shortage. Not likely... I know I count out the donation multiple times before the lady arrives. I am always afraid that I might make the same mistake.

What really sucks is it feels like early March (on a good day LOL) when you step out the door, not like it's even close to May RG

I just realised that it is Thursday afternoon, the 24th of April. Where the heck did the week -- month go? :confused0024:

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The problem with calling a stripclub is that often times, no one is answering. Viewing their website is also an exercise in futility as they don't keep it updated. Usually the only source of info are other customers.

There was a time in my life when I had trouble avoiding parking meters. I could not walk down the street in the spring time without walking into them. This would happen at least once or twice a day. I was easily distracted by women walking down the other side of the street. (Shorts, short skirts, tank tops & tube tops). Thankfully I grew out of that. Or rather, I learned how to notice them and walk at the same time. ;) ________________________ Back in the late 1980's I was involved in a car accident with the same lady three times - three different parts of town - over a three month period. The first time she was backing out of her driveway; the second time she failed to stop for a stop sign; the third time I was parked and she drove into me. I think she may have had a thing for By-law Officers as it was a company car I was driving each time she hit me. Even though I was never found to be at fault, I gave up driving for my own safety. ________________________ Back in the mid 1990's I was working as a Security Guard. It was the night shift. I caught a man trying to break into an office. I challenged him and he threw me down a flight of stairs. I called for help on the radio and gave pursuit. I was met up by a k-9 Police Officer and his dog. We chased the suspect down an alley. The Police Officer yelled at me to freeze. I guess I did not freeze fast enough and the Police dog bit me in the ass. Then the dog ran off and did the same to the suspect. Only this time the dog did not let go. The suspect lost his pants.... and went to jail for B&E and assault. The police dog and I became good friends. ________________________ I was out with a friend of mine. I needed a book for work so we stopped by a book store. I found the book I needed. We got talking and left the store. A few blocks later I realised that I forgot to pay for the book. We went back to the store to pay for it. The store manager was fine with that. But then she started laughing. The book was the Criminal Code of Canada.

I agree with Cristy, my idea of a quickie would be in a packed plane at 30,000 ft or the back of a movie theater or even on the steps of Parliament Hill at night but to walk in on a SP and just drop a few loads in 15 minutes.... just not my style.

Respect to those who choose it, respect to those who don't but I don't honestly get how you can have any kind of sex in that short of time. Well, then again know that I'm thinking;) in the past there were a couple of times but after cleaning up and dressing the clock would have surpassed the 15.

Nikki would get my recommendation too..good luck searching

Yes , reputable and you can be assured the pics are recent and accurate , Nikki would have it no other way.

Because you are not an SP- that advertises CBJ only and only provides what she advertises...

Job well done also, keep up the good work, I have a long way to go also I just hit 100.

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Don't despair lovely gents of Halifax. I am thinking seriously about just this matter. I have room and with the new laws more confidence in my ability to make this happen. Stand by for an announcement this summer!

It's unfortunate that some guys can't keep there head screwed on tight enough to understand that this is a business and feel compelled to to stalk and harass ladies in this business. This is a difficult enough business to run without the additional concern about some nut who can't seperate the fantasy from reality..... i hope things work out for you.

Here's the link that Roamingguy referred to (I think): http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=66258&highlight=stalker Good luck!

There's alot of garbage being layered onto certain sex workers in the industry. There's a dichotomy between the image of the put together worker, self-assured, autonomous, and in control...no mental health or self-esteem issues...acting as her own woman, strong as hell. And, then there's the worker with no business skills, not knowing her worth, with low self-esteem, willing to do God knows what with her body....drugged out, controlled by a pimp, and needing to be managed for her own good. Or, left to her own devices while the rest of "us" supposedly figure out what is 'truly' of benefit to our industry overall. And, then, there's statements being made about who has seen more of the 'exploited', 'messed-up', unfortunate 'ignorant' types', and how that allows one to make potentially more insightful judgement calls about the need to minimum pricing and regulatory measures....and the right to construct prostitute typologies I might add. The dichotomy (between the healthy, competent and knowing sex worker, and the screwed up, pimped druggie with no economic sense) and the prostitute typologizing are what I want to bite into here. And, I'll use personal narrative to illustrate some of these aspects, but keeping in mind the broader connections between our lives...that all of the pieces do not have to match up perfectly to provide insight....that personal stories can be applied in such a manner as to not blanket or overgeneralize a discussion, or over-personalize a debate to the point where discussion becomes impossible. These are the things I have in mind as I share. I started in this industry at 17 years old. The choices, as I experienced them, were tough and few and I was highly motivated to get out of poverty and an abusive living environment, which was obviously distressing. Within a year I found a decent agency manager to work for. I had very little business knowledge to start with: what to charge?, what was a fair cut to give to a manager?, what services to provide?, what services was I comfortable with providing?....how might my financial needs and motivations, my life immediate circumstances, trump some of these considerations over others? ...and, believe me, sometimes I have made choices that have left me feeling like shit....sometimes the choices didn't feel like fair choices....sometimes, I was layering on self-judgement that didn't need to be there about the choices...hmmm, I wonder where all of that judgement comes from? My earlier years in the industry allowed me to observe my manager and all of the tasks she carried out to run a business, many of which I was too busy to want to do myself, some of which I lacked the social and economic capital and personal organization to do, and others aspects I just needed time to think on if ever I wanted to become an independent (screening clients etc.). I experienced the work as exhausting, frustrating and stigmatizing at times, but also as stimulating and fun (always meeting new people, sharing stories, learning about the psychology of sex), and flexible in terms of how portable the work is, and being able to make larger amounts of money in shorter periods of time. In a relatively small Northern Ontario community, I gave a third of every hourly fee I made to my manager. At the time, the going rate for a bustling and established escort agency was $150 an hour. After I paid my agency fee, and my taxi fare (it was all outcall based), and based on the example of a one hour date, my take away without any other expenses considered (condoms, clothing, grooming etc.) was about $80. This is considerably less than I command now as someone who works independently, in another region, and a decade later. But, I was more than ok with those terms...accepted them and they worked just fine for me, and were highly preferable relative to the other work that was available to me at the time. Thinking back to that situation, if I could have finagled low overhead and the right incall setup, I could have charged $80 an hour and made out just as well or better (think no travel time to appointments), but goodness knows then I would have been labeled by others in the industry as a 'low end' ignoramus. Interesting. Long story short, sex work arose as a highly constrained AND also an ideal and flexible economic option for me. It took time, opportunities to connect with other workers, and reading related literature (not easy to find at the time) for me to begin to make sense of things....to carve out various options for myself, to politicize what it means to be a sex worker, and to challenge my own internalized assumptions about 'whores', while also challenging dominant social ideas about sex workers, both demonizing and infantilizing. The learning curve has been steep and complex. And, my life options, my formal education, my business savvy, my self-awareness, and my sexual development have evolved. Having made a foray back into the industry several months ago (after a long pause away, but still engaging in related activism all the while), I find myself in a different phase as a sexual labourer. I work for myself, set my own rates, and screen my own clients, and, over time, I've had more opportunities to become a part of the sex working community, to fight for our rights, and to benefit from the rich relationships it holds I also take time to remember the whole journey, the teenager that was me, and I have had moments where I've been struck by her ingenuity. Whatever I lacked in business or economic smarts, I made up for in volumes with the savvy that can only come with street smarts...off the cuff, quick thinking, and tremendous resourcefulness. Few people would take the time to fascinate over the narrative of socially and economically marginalized woman if she is working for pennies at the local Tim Horton's....with a Manager on her all the time like a fire breathing dragon...thankless customers, running her ass off, barely covering the rent, leaving little or no time for her to pursue, or dream about other life options. And, few would make so many qualifying remarks if she struggled in her sense of self, maybe even struggling with depression, or an intimate partner who abuses her physically, financially. Why? Because we gloss over that kind of marginalization: cuz she's working for the man, towing the line of normalcy....her purported "dysfunction" is a familiar, benign kind. [And, yes, I am gesturing at the role of internalized whore stigma in this thread masquerading as disinterested concern and professional rhetoric over industry standards.] So, why is it acceptable to make all kinds of qualifying remarks about sex workers who may charge less than others?....who may be following a business model that makes sense for them?...who may be working for a manager who takes a cut, maybe even an unfair cut of their earnings?...who may struggle in his or her sense of self. What about the role of decrim?...about upholding the legal rights of sex workers to switch managers or leave the industry without fear of retribution (providing legal recourse and a climate of social support for him/her to do so)....just one of a number of examples where we can make changes without fixating on the pathology of individual choice, or lack thereof. What about we make space for the understanding that there will always be sex workers who will never fit into the mould of the happy, healthy hooker, and to count these members of our community in as equally insightful and valuable. It's not too hard, considering that some of the biggest leaders in the sex workers rights movement are people who have been street involved, who are or who have been drug users, and, yes, trauma survivors. A number of these people, all women, are some of my closest friends and confidants. We do not all identity with the same struggles, with the same privileges and oppressions, or industry experiences, but we see each other as equals and colleagues nonetheless. It's also been mentioned that there are workers who really aren't wanting to do the work but have few other options. Let's fight for those increased options....while also recognizing that there are plenty of folks in the mainstream workforce who hate their shitty jobs, don't know how else they will pay their bills, and can't seem to get their foot in the door what with all of the nepotism out there. Let's advocate for their increased options too eh? When we dichotomize and qualify sex worker identity in the manner I've seen happen in this thread, there is tremendous erasure that occurs; erasure of the parts of ourselves, our private moments which are deemed unsavory, shameful, desperate; erasure of the ongoing vulnerabilities we experience in the industry(, because regardless of what we charge or where we work, we all experience a level of vulnerability); and erasure of the contributions of fellow sex workers who have and continue to fight for our rights. I love being a sex worker, and I see the work as skilled and honorable work (as my vocation), yet, sometimes, I still am left feeling like shit...sometimes I feel confused. I carry all of my life history with me, beautiful and ugly. But, hey, don't we all? Isn't this ok? What happens when, for some of us, it is not ok? ...what then is the role of totalizing statements about certain people's lives, their work?....does it not function as a mechanism for distancing?...for asserting a sense of personal entitlement and relative legitimacy? what happens when we resemble a stereotype?....what happens when we face the pain of resembling a stereotype? ...what happens to us when the person who resembles the stereotypes is held in our minds eye as a respected colleague?. Hmmm, what then?

Lol... if big brother is watching me he really needs to get a life....now if my wife is watching that's a totally different thing. :)

One more thing. As Cat so eloquently phrased it "Mouths are notoriously full of all kinds of microscopic wigglies. " That said, remember the penis is more likely to have "microscopic wigglies" of concern. Put another way, the receiver of a bbbj runs less risk than the giver of a bbbj for an STD Just something to consider when a lady is offering one of the most giving, intimate acts she can. A rambling RG

The challenge is always trying to find the biggest bang for the buck.. I try and stick between the 12-18 dollar range. I can easily remember buying a red for a special occasion and spending 30 bones above what I usualy spend. Whats it good? -you bet it was! Did I enjoy it? -You bet I did!! But-- was this wine worth the extra $$ above a good $15 bottle. Did it give me a bigger wine experience.....? sadly in 90% of the cases -- the answer is -No- So... For reds I usually aim for Chili - Carmenere or Cab Sauv. Love the Cabs / Zins from USA.. but the LBCO selection is crap and lets NOT talk about the prices.. (lets not go there all together...) For whites I love a Chardonnay where the oak aging is very present... you can spit out the wood shavings from the wine..LOL.. j/k New Zealand Sauv Blanc eg; Oyster Bay at around $17... Always a home run.. Cheers D.

I generally change what I drink with the season, in the winters I enjoy a nice full bodied red like a Barolo or a California Cab but in the summer I'll switch it up for a sweeter white perhaps a Gewürztraminer or Reisling. Today I opened a California Chardonnay so I guess I'm in between seasons, just like outside. It's actually a fantastic wine from Newton Vineyards, one of my favs that my assistant turned me onto. http://www.newtonvineyard.com/

I really like what you posted here Cleo. I personally just can't and won't do short encounters like this , but, I don't think that's what these threads about short versus longer encounters end up about anyway (that is the direction this thread has taken); that is, personal preference and mere discussion about the ins and outs of such service offerings. They clearly take on a tone of debasement and abjection and we should all know by now who the stigma largely clings to. To be clear, this statement is not about reducing any one particular comment made by my fellow members to a sum total judgement, but rather, reflects an observation about the overall character such discussion has taken on....and, tends to take on... I was contacted recently by a man who wanted a half hour session with me. When I informed him it was a one hour minimum, he became irate and disrespectful and continued on trying to negotiate obtaining my services anyway...as though I was some sort of irritating pylon to get by to get by to reach his single-minded end-goal. When I told him it was clear to me we were not a good fit due to the hostility I was sensing, he proceeded to tell me I was essentially a 'fat cum dump anyway'. I was astonished. Some say I shouldn't be; that such qualifying, hateful remarks are all around and to be expected here and there if I'm going to remain in the industry. It doesn't matter if it was transparent and pathetic; after all, he'd been interested and turned on enough to contact me! It still hurt, and went to the core of my being. I agree with you, Nicolette (Vaughn), that it is truly upsetting when men seeking our services do not respect our boundaries.....who assert an automatic sense of entitlement to access our time and our bodies without respect for the business model we are going by and the parameters we have set. There is a word for what underpins this; misogyny. This hateful phone call and the length of session of offer, while seemingly a crux of the conflict, was not the problem. So, again, and this is not directed at anyone in particular (at all!), the tone of this kind of discussion so often ends up stigmatizing (mainly) Service Providers while doing little else... Like folks such as Cleo & Kathryn Bardot have highlighted: seek out the services you wish to access, and take the time to inform yourself in advance via ads and personal websites about what is on offer. And, be prepared to accept our answers! And, at the level of our participation on the forum, let's be mindful of how our words and ideas transform themselves from mere subject content and 'free' and 'open' discussion to qualifying value judgments about the relative value of our colleagues, and the customers they bring pleasure to. Service Providers have their reasons for doing things the way they do. It is a highly competitive industry out there. Socio-economic privilege and access to certain markets play a huge role here, as do the personal motivations and short and long term economic goals and needs of SPs in making such determinations about how to run their businesses. Service Providers need our thoughtful care, affirmation and concern. Let's start more threads about that! My two cents! :-) Peace, Anna Additional Comments: p.s. my reference to the helpful commentary offered by Kathryn Bardot on this kind of topic comes from a similarly themed thread entitled "How about 20 or 40 minutes option?"...just wanted to clarify :-)

Get em in Get em up Get em off Get em out That's what a 15 minute session is all about. Not much fun for the lady.