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In all honesty I've always felt the "nice guys finish last" idea is a myth, or as others have suggested some of those guys who say they're nice aren't using the same interpretation of the word as the ladies would! There's some confirmation bias going on here too. People get the idea that nice guys don't fare well and when they look around (or check their own experience) they find an example of where that seemingly was true. Suddenly the evidence seems everywhere...if that's the evidence you're looking for! But objectively if you look around there's all kinds of nice guys in happy relationships, just like there's all kinds of not-so-nice guys striking out. Sometimes I think it seems like the "bad boys" are getting more dates not because they are bad but because they are more confident and so willing to ask for a date (and also because they get dumped more often and so end up asking more people...whereas the nice guy get held onto). Being nice--as in being genuinely nice and respectful--is generally only going to help. Being nice because you think it will get you something...not so much. I'd also guess that being nice by itself...without being interesting or confident, is only going to get you so far. And perhaps that's what some guys find change when they adjust how they act: it's not that they aren't still nice, it's just that they are more confident and independent. But hey, at the end of the day you also simply can't come up with rules for what all women want. Women--People--are simply too complex and varied for such. You just have to look around this site to see the range of variety in what people find interesting, engaging, and attractive. No judgments intended in any of this by the way, just some thoughts.

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=142492 Here is the sticky on this.

I agree that people getting lazier, especially with reading. They look at photos, scan through to pick out a tiny bit of information (usually rates and contact info) then ask questions that were already answered on a website. I find this irksome, but it's not clients who do this: it's everyone. We have a wonderful world that is full of conveniences and condensed material. Gone are the days when people would take their time and read through something. They read the headline or, at best, scan the article. A lot of men see our photos and get all excited and in that excitement they neglect to do their due diligence and read the information ladies provide for them. But hey: we've all done that at times. The reality is that this is becoming more and more common and it's absolutely laziness.

I find that in general, todays interpersonal writing is "instant gratification" oriented. Text, emails, auto correcting, "why phone when you can text" all contribute to a general sense of malaise for many. Personally, I enjoy reading a lady ad who is being classy, creative and consistent in her messaging and I will always respond in kind. I was fortunate to have spent a wonderful couple of hours with Gabriella a couple of years ago in Halifax. She is in person exactly as she portrays herself here - a class act. In business venacular it is know as being consistent with your "brand" which is in turn defined as the idea created in the buyers' mind about the product or service offered. In business "Branding" is critical for long term success. I'm sure some guys just want to get laid as was pointed out a few posts ago. I'm looking for a more complete experience, one that involves both the body, mind and spirit. Musings from an older guy.

It really doesn't matter how elaborate or simple an ad or website is...the fact is some guys just either don't read or don't care...lol they will ask the same questions anyway. Some dudes just look at the pics...C'est la vie. I either answer or don't..depends on my mood.

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If I had known about this thread, I would have reached out for a hug a few weeks ago...never too late I guess... Thanks to all of you... BJ P.S. My hug goes out to Savannah for being an amazing friend xxx

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Ah, the Nice Guy Syndrome, my favourite! As several have pointed out, this whole "nice guys finish last" myth is just that - a myth. It's a excuse they come up with to sooth their egos when they've been rejected by a women. They believe they are the ultimate package, and can't understand why a women would not sleep with them, so they find some reasoning behind it, besides actually looking at themselves. You can usually spot a nice guy by hearing their proclamations of "I'm a really nice guy!" If you're genuinely a nice guy, you usually don't start off by describing yourself as such, you just live your life in a kind and respectful way. If you really want to see Nice Guy Syndrome in action, just try some good ol' fashioned online dating! The "nice guys" are plentiful there! Usually these men are quite manipulative and sexist, and not actually kind or respectful at all. They'll usually start off by complimenting you endlessly, and then when you state that you are not interested, they will turn around and whine about how they were never interested in your anyways, and you would be lucky to be with a guy like them, they were just trying to do you a favour! These "bad boys" that women usually date and end up getting hurt by, usually come off as confident, respectful, and charming, which is why women are so attracted to them. It usually isn't until they're already invested in the relationship before they see that persons true colours! There are many genuinely nice and respectful men out there who women will love to be with, and just because one women isn't romantically interested in you, doesn't mean another might fall head-over-heels for you :) A good video to watch about "nice guys" and why the friend-zone is a load of crap: Posted via Mobile Device

Hosting at, or Hosting from, who cares, the magic word that counts is hosting. When the lady writes she is hosting that means an incall Consideration, Honorarium, Rates, Donation, Gift who cares...any of these terms means the same and always easy to locate on a website Upscale incall location. How many complaints have I read from guys who went to an incall that was a seedy hotel/motel or apartment. By writing upscale the lady is letting prospective clients know the incall isn't a seedy hotel/motel or apartment. I don't know about you but I don't want a date in an incall that's a dive You may want to cut to the chase as you put it. To me a lady's website should reflect her personality and give me an idea if she and I would click A website shouldn't be reduced to "just the facts", the website should show a lady as unique from other ladies. I suppose cutting to the chase, all you'd need is one cell phone photo full front is enough. Terrible these ladies get professional photographers and have galleries. All the time it takes going through all those pictures makes it harder to cut to the chase. Something that could be done with one picture Funny thing, generally speaking, in my experience, ladies who have a website which reflects their personality, shows a bit of effort have been ladies I've had great dates with. Those with minimalist websites, little effort, seemed to be cavalier about encounters, viewing me, the client, as nothing more than a wallet Anyhow, a long winded rambling RG

It's been my experience with ad copy that people see what they want to see, hear what they want to here, and believe what they want to believe about what was said in an ad. It's one of the most frustrating parts of ad design. No matter how much you write something out in crayon, people will chose to interpret it however they wish. I spend a lot of time "dummy proofing" ads and people always find unforeseen ways of misinterpretation. I think that this is just par for the course. I have read your ads and have always found them very well written. Your meanings are very clear with little room for interpretation. I think you just have to accept that people will ask anyway.

Guys who have to point out that they're "nice guys" usually aren't. Case in point: http://www.shakesville.com/2007/12/explainer-what-is-nice-guy.html

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My guess though based on what you say, is those men are more likely to look at BP or CL for dates. Any looking of a lady's website like Gabriella's (and others) is not done with any serious thought or attempt at booking. Likely they are at the most window shoppers and tire kickers when it comes to viewing those websites, not gentlemen with a serious intention of booking the lady for a date The tiny sample you refer to are likely the type of client that lady seeks to attract. Those with the prevailing pooner attitude as you put it, likely seek a different experience better catered to by ladies who have simple websites, or are on BP or CL. You also say most of those men use phone to book. Well most of the ladies who have elaborate websites use email for booking and utilize screening/verification in their booking process. Should they have to change to accommodate men who use phone only. Don't think so These ladies with the elaborate websites aren't trying to do a thing for those men, they are trying to do something for the men who appreciate amongst other things, the website the lady produced, which is a reflection of them, and the companionship they offer BTW the ladies I've seen that have elaborate websites, their websites gave an accurate reflection of them and it was part of the reason I booked a date with them Just my opinion A rambling RG

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I agree , especially the bold text. This is modern society in a nutshell. We have become lazy in everything we do and along with the laziness is impatience. It's like a bunch of adhd 4 year olds who want everything right now and are clueless about anything outside their aura. As for myself, I love a well thought out ad or website that shows me more than just a few sexy pics and the basics in simplified terms. That may be just me though. I'm not sure. Regardless of how it's written, it would serve us all well to take the time to read before we pick up the phone and start texting. I understand that the LG is hard and wants to play but we still have a brain somewhere, don't we?

Happy Birthday Emiafish! I hope you have a good one!

She looks ultra hot. May have to toftt. Probably to good to be true though. Additional Comments: Phone number hits ads on BP all over the country. Some of the pics show a different girl. Feels like a no go based on that.

I suspect that if she had behaved "like a lady" she would never have made the news. I might not agree with her methods that day, however without her the law would not have been struck down. I found the senators were in fact the idiots. Thank you Ms Bedford.

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If there's a way to misinterpret, misunderstand or totally frig it up - humans are capable of an incredible array of whatever. It would be great if people would actually read and understand and comply with the website instructions. Nope. Let the games begin.

Agree with this 100%. If someone doesn't take the time to read anything on my page or ads and my auto response to their email, I assume they aren't serious and I don't take their requests seriously. It's just blatant ignorance and disrespect. I can't stand either.

Being able to wake up every day to something new, whether it's the rain on the window or the sun shining in my eyes. Maybe the first snowfall of the season, where everything is lightly covered, or the first leaves on the ground. A total stranger smiles and says hello, it's a wonderful world. Yes, it can be

I can request no calls after 10pm until I'm blue in the face and there will still be some clueless fool who is calling at midnight. I put it out there because the legit clients *do* read what we've written. At this point, I don't even bother with guys who obviously haven't read the website.

Have a very happy birthday, emiafish!

OMG lol Thanks for the clarification! I should've picked up on it right away but confusion/doubt set in when I thought about our (backwards) government views on sex/the sex trade and Bill c-36.

Happy Bday.. Wishing you all the best and many more years of happiness

Sorry I missed it. Hope it was amazing!

I find myself agreeing with MN2. This wrong headed and dangerous legislation, I think, changes the game and may require some drastic action. If the hypocrites are outed (as RG alluded - we could only hope) it won't be because some provider is being unprofessional but because this legislation is a dangerous and thoughtless attack on innocent people. I don't think there are many people on this board who consider C-36 and the process it is following to be 'professional' in any way.

I'm new to the world of SP's as of this summer. I saw a beautiful girl that is very intelligent and i'll be seeing her again shortly. I was telling a friend of mine that's divorced too and sick of the dating scene (we call POF Plenty of Flakes :) about my experience. He's thinking of trying a SP and asked me how to approach it. I told him from the one girl i've met, and from the women's profiles i've seen on this site, to treat it the same as if he got a response from a beautiful girl that's smart on the dating site. She decides if she's going to see you or not. Read her profile, be nice, remember your manners, and she'll let you know how it will roll :)

huh??? not correct. I've met both these ladies and they are not one and the same. Kaydence Kox is a tall blonde provider. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=62824 SweetShay is a different lady entirely....and that was her dancing name, you might know her as Cristalxo http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=32080

The Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network has posted on its website its brief to Senate: http://www.aidslaw.ca/publications/interfaces/downloadFile.php?ref=2297 Brief to the Senate Standing Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs regarding Bill C-36, the Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act This brief compares the Criminal Code provisions proposed by Bill C-36 against the Criminal Code provisions struck down by the Supreme Court of Canada in R v. Bedford. It explains how the new law, if enacted, will replicate the effects of the old law on the security of sex workers and, as such, reproduce the harms the Supreme Court of Canada found to be unconstitutional. It further explains how these harms also constitute violations of international human rights law and how criminalization of sex work undermines the global response to the HIV/AIDS epidemics. Finally, it issues a recommendation for Bill C-36 to be rejected in its entirety.

No Kaydence is a different girl. She is known as Kaydence Kox, she was here two weeks ago. and she is sometime SweetShay's duo partner up in Toronto. Shay was in the SSM last week under a different name. And yes she is a force to be reckoned with :)

I like your questions, and I agree it's cool that the OP raised an complicated (and yes, possibly controversial) question. Happily it's a civil place so this could be interesting. But I'd phrase the question above differently. I don't actually expect the church to satisfy *everyone's* needs; but I do require it to be true to its own philosophy. If a religion's core philosophy is to care for the weak and powerless, to value love over power, and to be in the community and amongst the people... then it needs to exemplify that, especially in its "home base" buildings. Turning away someone who needs shelter from the rain is a failure as measured by the church's own rules. And once you're not true to your philosophy, but instead they're just vague principles you discard when it's inconvenient, then... well, okay. Now you're just a fancy clubhouse with some odd interior decoration. Forfeit your tax exemption and go into business like everyone else.

What's with the evangelicals being there.... Teaching us about morals....please.

Different strokes for different folks, literally.

I'm not sure if this has been said and I apologize if it has. The hobbyists know who the established, reputable and legit companions are and the companions do as well for both hobbyists and companions. I see no reason to have this mass panic (rightfully so we should all be upset and pissed as hell but there are ways to deal with this shit, if the BS bill passes). There are many wonderful companions to spend quality time with and not worry about being caught or getting in trouble for spending time with a companion that you know is safe to contact for "time and companionship". Just my thoughts.. Hugs and Kisses, Lexy

She's very real and likes to shower shes a gem she did not rush our session, she helped relax but her fresh smell drove me cazy i will definitely repeat and repeat and repeat Posted via Mobile Device

Has anyone seen her recently? She's back on BP, or at least I assume it's the same person. Pics look really good.

I think that is a great summary of the overall thread :) you are very perceptive! If I could add one final thought it's to continue the "undicklike" behaviour after the encounter. If you are going to write a review keep it classy and discrete, leave the details and the YMMV in private. Most ladies do not want to feel like you are giving a virtual high 5 to your CERB buddies, bragging about how far you got. It's not a locker room :) xoxo

I find these kinds of threads about BBBJ really irritating. Not because conversation about shared intimacies and health matters shouldn't be had, but because of how talk about sucking dick quickly shifts into the 'politic of the ick' (a term coined by sexologist Carol Queen). I will speak for myself. I love making out, I love having my pussy licked, I love sucking cock, alot of the time BBBJs and CIM (oh yeah baby), and, yet I do not identify as a PSE at all. Not a meaningful term to me. I'm GFE all the way. I do not make clients wear a dental dam to give me oral, and I do not put saran on my face when playing tonsil hockey. There are plenty of service providers, including popular and highly reviewed SPs who do not do BBBJ (understandable, and a very personal decision), but the idea of being concerned over providers 'being compelled' to provide BBBJs, and then omitting the way we normalize and by and large broadly accept DFK and DATY as meaningful and commonly provided services inherent to the work, (providing GFE), is problematic. Assessing the risks, negotiating the fun to be had, and getting regular health checks including throat swabs is a must. Let's not turn all SPs into victims of risky clients, and let's focus on empowering workers to enjoy working conditions where they can refuse work they deem unsafe....not to mention increasing access to non-stigmatizing STI health screening, and ongoing education. Signed, Cum lover

I've seen Jody a few times now and have never ever been disappointed. If you need to see an SP with plastic tits in a polished condo, than Jody isn't for you. But if you want to spend time with a real girl who is going to grind your face until she cums and then quip "I better let you up for air," or tells you she wants you to cum on her face, than Jody is the girl for you. And yet, as hot and hard as multiple positions and PSE finishes are, it has been the moments where an intimate and ear-nibbling slow dance was alone worth the price of admission. Each time I see her it keeps getting better and better, hotter and hotter. But what I find keeps me coming back is that she is simply engaged and real. Note: YMMV

yes, Penelope Davis is definitely a must see....awesome experience....an 11 out of 10

Penelope Davis is a must see if your in the truro area !

Hugs for you Malika. Also sending Hugs to Katherine!

Saw Jody this week and I can't say enough good things about her, but hey, I'll try anyways: warm, friendly, gorgeous, great bum, fabulous breasts with even more fabulous surprises, lovely and delightful little kitty, accommodating, enjoys herself, makes you comfortable, charming and sweet! Treat yourself, but leave some for me!