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I know and see you are a respectful Gent, and would simply not try that " well let me negotiate and see" especially if it is written on my ad. I for one appreciate your opinion, and feel it does have relevance. But with this in mind, as you said, " some do have specials" well yes in fact I have a special right now, but with that said I also state it is for certain dates only. I do not mind offering a special rate, but respect the days I have chosen. It is very upsetting if one week after, or even a year, they say " well you gave it for this rate before, why not now" answer to that is, because I have chosen those dates. I agree with every word that Nicolet has written here. With this all said in this thread, I hope we can all stick together as adults and realize that.... 1.we ladies know our expenses, have to keep our heads above water. If our expenses and profits are not met, then we will leave the industry( or provide a lesser quality that most of ladies pride ourselves on NOT doing) and the ones who can afford to work for 60/80 hh will carry on. But then what 50? 40? might as well go to POF lol. 2. Gents who are interested in meeting a lady that has the proper time and locations prepared, without having a revolving door that will leave you feeling like your a heat score...then yes ladies like that do need a but more to run their business. And to give our clients the sessions they really want to have to feel safe, clean and secure. 3. there is no pleasing everyone, some will move on, others will complain, and those who try to badger you are just not worth your txt time.

Negotiating may be a part of life but it's not welcomed in the companionship market, even by those who may do it and it's never considered respectful, pushed or when done politely. I would think that if someone has the feeling that some companions are having hard times for whatever reasons and because of that are willing to negotiate rather than going with nothing, then beating them down, I think, is taking advantage of them. I would think a gentleman wouldn't want to do that. Why would a guy feel good about causing a woman to loose some income? The guy doesn't loose out because he CAN do without, this isn't a necessity for the client, it's a luxury! Many girls/guys in the business can't do without and when pushed into a corner some feel obligated to cave. You see for most of us this goes beyond having a few bucks in our pockets, it about respect, appreciation, understanding, compatibility, sharing and learning. There are many types in this business after all, some are experienced, informed, confident and business minded, others are inexperienced, uninformed, insecure, going through hardships and so on. Negotiating with the latter would only be cruel imo. This business isn't like buying a home/car/clothing, after all, it's very personal, individual and simply can't compare to any. Human beings aren't negotiable merchandise, if we request a fee for our time then let it be that. I find it amusing that some guys would think that a negotiator would be a welcomed client, or well thought of and don't we all want to be liked and appreciated by whom we are seeing?

On lyla, the rule is, unless the lady specifically states she is open to negotiation, you are NOT allowed to negotiate her rates. There is a difference between shopping around for the best price and negotiating rates. If the price is out of your reach, move on. It is never respectful to negotiate in this industry.

Ok let's think this negotiation thing through.... if we accept the fact that negotiation is a fact of life and will not go away then it would be reasonable for ladies to factor that into their business model... So if a lady calculates that based on the services she provides and the volume of clients she is willing to see and taking into account her business expenses that she needs $300 an hour to be successful then I guess when she factors in wiggle room for negotiation she should advertise $350. If she does she can "play the game" and give the guy that feeling of "winning " by getting a better price. End result the guy pays $300 like he would have if no negotiation was factored in. Of course the lady could also just leave her rate at $300 and let that smart, bargaining client beat her down to $250 and then just adjust her services so that more things have an extra charge... suddenly the $250 bargain becomes a $350 gain. In my opinion the bottom line is that bargaining is disrespectful at best and at worst is a decision by a client to take advantage of a lady who because of a challenging market, lack of confidence or financial problems is left with no choice but to give in or not have the necessities of life. I also strongly feel that it is in all clients best interest to not bargain as bargaining does not in the long run create favorable market conditions. If you think the rate is too high move on. The ladies in this industry are certainly smart enough to consider the market they are working in, the services they are provide and their own financial needs... if they price themselves out of the market then this will in the long run be self correcting. As for sales or discounts... if that price is available all the time through bargaining than in fact it is not really a sale price. There are a thousand reasons why a lady might offer a sale price and all valid business reasons it does not mean that because she does she has to sell at that price every day. In regards to people thinking their opinion is right and strongly disagreeing with others...yeah of course... if i have considered an issue and come to an opinion on it I would think I would think it was right... that does not mean others should not also express their opinions in fact I encourage them to do so it enhances the debate and educates us all. I may strongly feel your opinion is wrong but I have no problem at all with reading it Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

These days I have pretty much crossed over to doing primarily massage. While I'm still a companion, I have been on the receving end of negotiating in both areas. There seems to be an overwhelming sense of entitlement and a new generation of clients that I am not accustomed to. I would have to say it's with the youinger generation which is why I have an age restriction. I'm not in my 20's anymore and do not relate to this crowd. Nothing personal. I'm older. However, in my experience most do NOT take no for an answer when rates are quoted and stated as non-negotiable. Most men who are older say thank-you, accept it and move on. This is a luxury service we are offering. It is a want, not a need in terms of basic necessities in life such as food and shelter, etc. It's a want but some think it's a need. It's a desire and forgive me if anyone is insulted by this but if a person doesn't have the cash to play then that burden should NOT be put upon the lady. It is not our problem that a person only has X amount of dollars. Would a person go to a restaurant and say I only have x amount but you better give me that steak dinner I want so bad? No! It would never happen! This is a service industry and the same applies here. However, when one person starts doing it or someone is strapped for cash and feels they have to negotiate with a client to have their certain needs met, suddenly it becomes an expectation across the board. Well it's not. When I started in this business, that didn't happen and very rarely did men negotiate. Times have changed and so has this busness. It's not about booking time to spend with someone anymorte, it's all about what they can get, how fast and for how little the amount. Sorry but true! I've been around to see the trend go from one place to further downhill. It's like going to work one day similar to someone working on cash basis day to day and having the boss tell a person "Well I can only afford to give you X amount per hour instead." How would the person on the receiving end of that feel when they show up, ready for work and being told that? Not good! That person would know the work they're willing to do for a certain amount and if it's worth it or not. When someone tries to negotiate with me, I tell them rates, are non-negotiable and have a good day. Anything beyond that such as "Please, come on!" I don't respond to. I have been threatened because of my age restrictions and because I don't negotiate. I tell them to fill their boots buddy, take a hike and to grow the hell up. I have fixed my rates that are very fair for what I am offering and also in consideration to what is going on with the economy. I used to make X amount an hour. I don't anymore. I changed that BUT it was on MY own accord. I like to think that I have enough business sense to know what the market can bear that is alignment with what I am offering. I am at a happy medium with the rates I quote and if someone thinks that is too much well too bad. They don't know what they're missing. I could be charging a lot more for the service I offer. However, there is a line I won't cross when it comes to rates and that's my own perogative. I am a professional and always have been and my services and the experience I offer reflects that. If someone wants to dispute rates then they are just out for a deal. Many do it just for the sole fact of being able to attempt to do it. I don't bother with people like that and they are not in my target market either. I advertise myself as offering an experience and the clients I see value that. For many ladies, this is their livelihood and if a person wants to negotiate and the lady has to lose x amount of dollars, be prepared to lose out on something as well. It's only fair. You ALWAYS get what you pay for. I don't negotiate with clients because I would no longer enjoy my job and there would be resentment towards them. As a result, they wouldn't be getting the service that goes above and beyond in many respects. However, that would never happen because I don't work that way and would NEVER put myself in that situation to begin with. I would rather exit the business before allowing that to happen. As soon as guys start to negotiate, I get that uneasy feeling in my stomach and I wish them well. I don't want anything to do with it. And the bottom line is if x amount of dollars as low as $20 makes a huge impact on who they see then they can't afford to play. I would tell them they need it more than I do but with negotiaters I'm sure they don't need it nor will $20 actually put a dent in the budget. It's a thrill for them to get what they want.. because they can! I choose not to play their game.

I went to bed thinking of Tom last night and said some prayers for him as I fell asleep. I woke up with a white feather attached to my elbow. I know he is in a good place. Heaven has a new angel. :)

BUMP - 11 more days till the profiles are not longer able to be kept private. Only 330 people have read this announcement so far so I think a lot of people will be unaware but people you should read the posts in this section.

Got to LOVE Monte Python! Decided, like many before me, this song will be played as the 6 carry me out to the hearse. So to my friends and those who have followed this journey over the past 2 years, the journey is basically at an end. I am getting moved to Kitchener area on Friday to a respite facility where the pain will be medicated stronger than can be done at home. My memory took a rapid turn for the worse on the weekend, and I passed out from pain a couple of times. Probably have no more than 10 - 20 days max before my ashes go onto the driveway....I mean golf course! KW is closer to most of the family and it will make it easier on them. I have had a lucid day and a half, where I sent personalized notes of thanx to some of the very special people I have met, had decidedly naughty conversations with and with those who I have not been able to visit. I am sure I have missed quite a few, and I apologize to them. sigh, so many camel toes and just not enough time!!!!! I have sent a note to organ transplant folks to use my tongue in case anyone wants it. I want to thank you all again for all for the notes and emails sent, it helped me get through the shitty days and I really appreciated it. If I am not too drugged tonight, I will try and get on chat. After Friday, if you want to chat, please send me a note to the gmail address, as it may be more discrete for me to look at. So I will not be attending the next Cerb Spring Social, but I hope you all have naughty fun, end up laughing at all the stupid things I have said and done, and end up with mighty hangovers!!! As previously stated either my brother or a very good friend of mine will come on and let you know how far I got. I will get to the Super Bowl, but not the Masters! Have a shot at the bar in my memory! And when you hear Monty Python being played, smile and think of me. See you on the other side. Peace Tom TheLiquor

Boomer01, your opinion is in the minority. To continue saying it's been happening since the beginning or it will never stop, think about it this way. There was a time in history that women could not charge their husbands with rape. If she went to the police, she was told she is the property of her husband and therefore, he could do as he pleased. The argument then was it's been this way since the dawn of time and will not change. Women were not allowed to vote. Women were not allowed to have a bank account without her husband's permission. If we allowed the feeling that it's always been this way and will never change, we would still allow this. It was when women united and said no more, the laws changed. On lyla, we DO NOT have to post no negotiation on our ads or profile. Only if we want to allow negotiations and post it on our ads or profile, is when you can approach the lady with an offer. However, my experience, is they typically are new or desperate. If you feel it is your right to negotiate, that is your opinion. However to suggest to other hobbyists that this is ok, is doing them a disservice, as they might not realize they will quickly get on the do not book list without realizing the repercussions of their "it can't hurt to ask". It always hurts the lady. Most experienced ladies have endless contacts titled "negotiator, low baller and haggler". Once I identify someone in this category, I will never answer their text, phone call or email. Even if they see the error of their ways, they've missed the opportunity to ever see me. The sticky on this indicated 97% of this community is against this practice.

Remember this ....?? " if all you have to spend in the whole world is 80, then perhaps you should go to the grocery store" lol.... Like Nicolette says, and others...this is a luxury. Either save up or just move on to one who does provide that rate.

Wow! I truly didn't think I'd get such a great response like this. So I'm not alone when I feel bartering my rates is so wrong! I do specials, that's when you men should take advantage if you cannot afford regular rates.. I'm not in the business of negotiations. To me it's insulting when someone asks " what can I get for 80$, 100$ ?" Nothing! And don't ever contact me again, is always my reply..

So after reading my last post and on some rather good advice I removed the " not all of them can afford to demand high end donations " line. Its really not relevant to the point I'm trying to make and certainly not criticizing anyones right to set their fees. I guess what does disturb me is some members seem to think their opinion is the RIGHT one . Its obvious the replies to my two cents strongly feel I'm wrong and have made it clear I'm not right in having my opinion. I honestly don't care what you think of me but my opinion is as valid as anyone else's on here and I won't be bullied into thinking anything different. As a fellow Cerb member pointed out, and rightfully so , that sometimes I may not convey my message clearly but I'll make it clear when I say that negotiators are here and to think it will pass or go away is very narrow minded. I agree 100 % that if its posted " my rates are firm , non negotiable , whatever " I respect and agree . When companions offer deals , which they do , arent they opening up the same proverbial can of worms. I'm sorry if I offended anyone with what I said but it will make me think of giving my opinion again.

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I hope you don't mind me saying, it's very brave of you to admit this and to share. I wouldn't be to hard on yourself though, we all grieve differently and handle someone we care for dying differently. No one should judge and none of us will know how we will handle death when it comes for us until it happens. What matters is you cared. Hugs

Ladies, I know a lot of us have the "rates are non-negotiable" disclaimer on our websites but I think we should edit it to: "I will be happy to negotiate a new rate with you only when you are offering above and beyond what I have already listed on my site. Otherwise, thank you for your interest and good luck in your search."

I'm sorry to disagree. It's known throughout the business that negotiating is frowned upon and disliked. Although I agree with your reasoning, this business is a luxury, not a necessity and unique to others. So, respectfully, if anyone can't afford it then do without until they can. If some are offering specials then take advantage of those specials. We list our rates for a reason, and that reason is because that is what we've determined we need to meet our costs of doing business, anyone asking for less makes us feel that they think we aren't worthy, or other negative thoughts. So even if asked politely, I still think it rude.

I totally forgot Hannah Star!

I'm not an SP, but a gentleman and a real gentleman would never try to negotiate a lower rate! Show them the door and kick them in the a$$ on the way out :)

What your is nationality? I have French/Canadian dual citizenship. If you are European it should be fine I first went to the US with my French passport and went for a conference. I just put the hotel phone number and it was fine

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I never watched any of the Pierce Brosnan 007s because I think he's pretty cheesy (even moreso than Roger Moore), but wow, Famke Janssen rocked! I know her only from Taken and I thought, "Meh." Nice to see her in a new light!

If you are referring to client charges, apparently not. There was a recent article on the subject, not sure if it is in the In the News section. Some PDs have made a big show out of laying charges under the new laws regarding the advertising laws but i think they will find the courts throw that out, due to misapplication of the charge imo.

Has anyone heard of any charges being laid under the new law? I have not seen anything in the news. Not for street workers but for the type of people that frequent this site?

I had a wonderful visit with Victoria at her place in the the West End. As previously mentioned, she is a gorgeous lady. Beautiful eyes and smile, great attitude and personality, and a fabulous tall, slim and fit body. Her location is convenient, clean, comfortable and feels safe. My first experience with her was simply fantastic. She is very comfortable and made me feel totally at ease. In my twenty odd years of hobbying, this was perhaps the best session I've had. I can't wait to see her again. Thank you Victoria! :icon_smile:

If I'm in the mood to even reply to reduced rates, the conversation goes something like this. Him hey baby, u so fly. How much? Me thank you. My rate is $X. Him I only have $X. Me oh, you want the Pw experience. Him oh, what's Pw experience? Me the Pissed Wife Experience. You come over, I'm in my baggy flannel pjs and hand you an infant in dirty diapers. Dr. Phil is playing on the TV, and I keep the remote. I disappear for a while then come out dressed to the nines. You think wow, she's hot. I then put on my coat and tell you I should be back by closing time and have fun baby boy. That's if I'm feeling like replying. However, most times I ignore your calls. For those guys that post things like "anyone heard from X? She doesn't answer my texts," this might be a clue if you tried to negotiate. After all, it doesn't hurt to ask right?

While I certainly agree that we should not negotiate i'm not sure it's fair to paint all men who use BP as bottom feeders... You are probably right that it attracts a higher percentage of less than desirable clients but it is also used by decent men especially in smaller markets where the main advertising venue for touring ladies is BP. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

That usually plays it's self out in the economy through a reduction in demand and then a response by suppliers to reduce their selling price for the good or service in order to increase sales... in very few industries does it play itself out in a negotiation over price. The Oil Patch worker does not go into the restaurant and suggest the steak is now too expensive he / she purchases something cheaper or goes to a lower cost restaurant or he just eats at home. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

Well I like to live in the moment....... So right meowwww ...Hickory Sticks make me happy :) Cause I frickin love them and ..... that's all I have here to eat ;)

Yeah the best way to avoid people negotiating, is to put "rates are firm", or something to that extent. If you don't have that in your ad, don't be surprised ro get people that want to negotiate. I worked in retail a few years ago and you wouldn't believe the amount of people that wanted to negotiate the price of products or a service, its just a part if the business world that you unfortunately have to get used to

You can say as much as you want that negotiating is frowned upon in this industry but the reality is that a lot of women on this and other sites DO negotiate. So if most women I talk to are willing to negotiate, then it would make sense that I ask if I am chatting with a new lady. BUT I will say that when someone post "Rates are not negotiable" that means I don't bother asking. I respect what people put in their ads. This business is rarely black and white, the lines are blurred and circumstances change for everyone. As an example, what does it mean when someone says "all inclusive"? That has a different meaning from one lady to the next...

Sometimes, age becomes or can be unimportant, especially when the chemistry is there and there's a strong connection... have you ever felt that? This being said, I find that maturity, experience and wisdom are very attractive (in both men and women for me) ;)

I saw Kay's ad on BP showcasing photos of her mouthwatering rack and stating that she was a 36 F cup. I absolutely had to see this glory in person. It was verymuch worth it. As a big boob fan this really was all 12 days of Christmas rolled into one (or well, two, boobs that is). I found her easy to communicate through text and the location was a hotel very near to where I live. When we met, I found her to be a friendly person. She was quite talkative and easygoing in conversation. She also advertised that she has a mouth that won't quit, and that fortunately turned out to be true as well. For the most part, I took the lead with her, which was fine.

I still think you are going to win, selfishly I can't imagine this site without you. Your strength of character, kindness, humor, gallantry and courage. Thank you for allowing me into a part of your life, for sharing your most difficult days and for showing us all that even through the worst of times we should look to the brighter side, find humor in it and hope, hope for better days. You are the bravest man I know and I'm only one of many, many, many, that have been honored to know you.

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Not a chance in .....Heaven, That I am gone ;-) Just Sneaky ;-) Always best to text me as I am not as active online as I would like to be. Thankya! Still Roarin' XO

The Regressive Conservatives. Let's turf them in the next election.

I really don't get it guys. How is this going to affect people who want to buy sex?

Backgrounder on Bill C36 - "Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act" http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=853729&crtr.tp1D=930 This only just happened. It's just a first reading. Summary and explanation of the proposed bill from Pivot Legal Society, who worked on the Bedford SCC ruling: http://www.pivotlegal.org/the_new_sex_work_legislation_explained

The ladies should be happy....Peter MacKay is trying to save you and retrain you to get out of prostitution...he cares (detect my sarcastic voice here) But me and other men...just a bunch of pervs Pissed off...saw PM press conference...not happy at all RG

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