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To the wonderful men of PEI I understand the hobbyists of CERB use the pm system to share both positive and negative experiences regarding an SP which I fully believe that it is a vital need when choosing a provider and deciding where your hard earned money goes. My issue with this though is when you start discussing the details of an encounter that are shared between the provider and the hobbyist. Sometimes with a client who I feel comfortable with I sometimes provide services that I would not noramally share with someone I have just met or even if I have met them several times I still may not offer this service for whatever reason I choose I have the right to do so. I am unsure of who it is but there is only a select few of who it could be but I am very hurt and disappointed after an encounter I had here tonight. There is obviously some messages being exchanged back and forth between new hobbyists and regular ones, discussing the events of our date and telling the new hobbyists about things that had gone on during our session. This service is NOT Listed on my website nor have I ever advertised that I would provide this, but tonight I had a first time client attempt to do something that I was definitely not comfortable with. At first I played it cute and told him no I don't do this because sometimes men are not aware in what you are comfortable with - although it would've been nice for him to ask first. He continued to do so over and over until I firmly said NO. In my mind the date was ruined but I was willing to give it one more try and yet again an attempt was made. I stood up and said firmly the date is over and I'm asking you to leave. Only than did he realise how serious I was about how uncomfortable I was and how apologetic he was only than. This man was a lot bigger than I and during this time I felt extremely uncomfortable about the situation on what would happen with me not wanting to partake in this and he did not continue to try anything else after this thankfully. After he had left he had sent me a message apologizing for not listening and I explained to him why you should always listen when a lady does not want you to do something you stop immediately. The response I received was this : ''Maybe if you told me the first time that if I kept going I would lose my money I would've stopped immediately. I lost out big time'' What that told me was he wasn't sorry that I felt scared, and uncomfortable or that my boundaries were crossed. What that told me was that he was sorry he just lost out on his money and that the only person he felt sorry for was himself. I can't make you fellas do anything - but hopefully in reading this, you can see the result in what happens when you divulge too many personal details regarding a private encounter. Although your intentions may be well, each and every encounter is different the same as no two people are alike. For my own personal take on things, If you wish to discuss me to other members please keep the intimate details private and only discuss the quality of the encounter and your opinion on the experience. Thank you

How To Shower Like a Woman: Take off clothing and place it in sectioned laundry hamper according to lights and darks. Walk to bathroom wearing long dressing gown. If you see husband along the way, cover up any exposed areas. Look at your womanly physique in the mirror - make mental note to do more sit-ups/leg-lifts,etc. Get in the shower. Use face cloth, arm cloth, leg cloth, long loofah,wide loofah and pumicestone. Wash your hair once with cucumber and sage shampoo with 43 added vitamins. Wash your hair again to make sure it's clean. Condition your hair with grapefruit mint conditioner enhanced. Wash your face with crushed apricot facial scrub for 10 minutes until red. Wash entire rest of body with ginger nut and jaffa cake body wash. Rinse conditioner off hair. Shave armpits and legs. Turn off shower. Squeegee off all wet surfaces in shower. Spray mold spots with Tilex. Get out of shower. Dry with towel the size of a small country. Wrap hair in super absorbent towel. Return to bedroom wearing long dressing gown and towel on head. If you see husband along the way, cover up any exposed areas. How To Shower Like a Man: Take off clothes while sitting on the edge of the bed and leave them in a pile. Walk naked to the bathroom. If you see wife along the way, shake wiener at her making the 'woo-woo' sound. Look at your manly physique in the mirror. Admire the size of your wiener and scratch your butt. Get in the shower. Wash your face. Wash your armpits. Blow your nose in your hands and let the water rinse them off. Fart and laugh at how loud it sounds in the shower. Spend majority of time washing privates and surrounding area. Wash your butt, leaving those coarse butt hairs stuck on the soap. Wash your hair. Make a Shampoo Mohawk. Pee. Rinse off and get out of shower. Partially dry off. Fail to notice water on floor because curtain was hanging out of tub the whole time. Admire wiener size in mirror again. Leave shower curtain open, wet mat on floor, light and fan on. Return to bedroom with towel around waist. If you pass wife, pull off towel, shake wiener at her and make the 'woo-woo' sound again. Throw wet towel on bed. Cheers! And, "woo woo"!!! :b

Ill say this... Nothing in life is guaranteed....you live and learn but to generalize that you get more bang for your buck at a certain price tag you are dead wrong. People get burnt, because they treat an intimate encounter like fast food. If you took the time to pre-book, exchange a few emails and establish a mental connection before your encounter - your date would not be a disappointment. If I do not establish any form of mental connection during an email exchange with a potential client, I cancel the date. At the end of the day, don't rush something that needs time to be amazing. Yes I get people are busy, but attempting to book me on no notice shows no respect and I will decline the date. I take a risk letting random strangers into my space, no way in hell am I letting someone disrespect me by not adhering to my policies. where one advertises has nothing to do with quality of service, I have ads on BP, other boards and EC, does that make me not worth the dollar i command because of where I have ads? Bring on the competition, I have not raised or lowered my donations in 2 years. Clearly the market supports it, and I encourage others to not sell themselves short when it comes to donations they deserve. Prices are no way even close to what they were 5 years ago, before i left the Biz I charged $450/hr in the day and $600 at night and it was never questioned or insulted. What you don't understand is there is quality out there, but one needs to research and take time to find it. Maybe you can only afford $200 or maybe even $250, don't slag anyone off for commanding more. Save up, take your time and enjoy the encounter. Or stick with what you can afford and stop bitching that donations are too high.

I dunno tights jeans with high heels...--stare at bum-- is pretty feminine to me

Bit of a long story. I love blue jeans, but they don't love me. I'd live in them if I could, but a couple chronic soft tissue injuries prevent me from wearing them. So instead, I wear skirts. My husband makes them. They have elastic waistbands. They're comfy and they're feminine. We just acquired a 10-week-old black lab/boxer mix. He has a new fun thing to do. He comes up behind me, grabs a mouthful of skirt and yanks it down around my knees. Oh joy!

I don't have many restrictions but I am very clear on the ones I have in place. If one toe goes over the line the date is over. Over stepping my few boundaries are a clear indication we are not right for each other so I would never feel bad ending a date very abruptly if I felt violated in any way. I respect every guest I have and feel very just in expecting the same in return.

I still see the gentlemen whom I met at my previous rate for that rate. I do this to reflect my appreciation for them, as they took a chance on me as a non reviewed provider at that time, and helped me to reach personal goals that meant and still mean the world to me! I don't think all the slagging of bp is fair though. Many providers travelling and local use this site, and from my personal experience having only advertised on bp til very recently, I've met all the gentlemen I've spent time with off this site, and all my reviews and recco's came from those gentlemen. To judge a provider based on where she advertises, and to suggest she advertises there cuz its cheap (if this was the case wouldnt all the terrible sp's advertise here on cerb seeing as it's free) My -------- ads bring more inquires than ec and cerb combined, despite many are not ideal and or not serious inquires, I have found no need to advertise elsewhere, and only began to do so because of statements made by gentlemen about bp advertisers. Nor do I use professional pictures (haven't had the time)or plan on developing a website, personally don't want one. It's kinda strange how bp advertisers and bp gets discussed as a total waste of time, yet, your all using it! so when dissing bp and making statements that generalize those who choose to advertise there as crappy sp's and bad providers and SW's, you are calling us all these things, including myself, and many other well reviexed providers. Frankly I find this offensive, especially when said by someone whom I have spent numerous visits with. Please consider this next time one of you is inclined to make generalized statements like ALL providers on bp are SW's and / or crappy urine smelling incall girls. Just like we as providers need to weed through the less ideal encounters to ensure our safety and whatnot, you fellas gotta weed out the risky overpriced, bad service providers. It is what it is.....

Sorry - but I find the use of 'GFE Massage' very misleading and very inaccurate. 'GFE' is an Escort Term created by Escorts for Escorting - which begets Oral (DATY, DATO and/or CBJ/BBBJ) and/or FS. So to try and 're-define' the term and try to lure in Escort Hobbyists to get massages is, in my humble opinion, unfortunate and a major turn off for me. I don't tell people I shovel snow for a living and then show up to mow the lawn :S I've never, NEVER, met a guy whom either did, or was looking, for a GF just to have massages with - and never have sex. :S NEVER. Makes no sense. This is 1/2 the reason why the MA/MPs now have there own Area - so as Not to keep misleading Hobbyists (intentionally or mistakenly). Wasting time asking Questions to a MA in the SP section whom doesn't say she is a MA until after several emails. Lame. So un-attractive. Maybe it's a 'GF Massage' some ladies offer, but as per the definition of GFE - it's way more than just a massage. This is even clearly outlined here in this Thread - real GFE services Not included in so-called 'GFE Massages'. (Yeah, and you having snow on the lawn while I mow is Your mis-interpretation or my services right? Not mine?? ...as I now re-define snow as grass? :S ) GFE = girlfriend experience. Typically BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1311&highlight=acronyms A call girl advertising the provision of a "girlfriend experience" is implying that she provides deep french kissing (DFK), "full service" (intercourse) usually with protection, and fellatio and cunnilingus, both with or without protection. Advertising a "girlfriend experience" is sometimes used by call girls to promote business. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience Like the others said, GFE=Girlfriend experience. In some situations, it also means that the prostitute/escort is willing to perform some services without condoms, akabarebacked, usually blowjobs(BBBJ). http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gfe There's even a movie called The Girlfriend Experience (with Sasha Grey - & FYI: She's No Masseuse! ;) ) Anyone got links showing where GFE has changed it's definition to Not included Oral/FS - and now has 2 meanings - 1 for MAs and 1 for SPs?? I look forward to seeing where this has changed, as I enjoy keeping up with the times :) Food for thought! ;) PS: Great Question Ironsman1 - Clarity over services is what CERB is all about :)

Going all the way back to the original question. Sweetie choose a rate that you feel comfortable with. I myself wouldn't set my rate same as those who travel, as it is my opinion doing so can and will cost you more encounters than you will gain finacially. (consider that rate includes airfare and hotels etc) Again is only my opinion but may help to determine a rate. Whatever you choose your rate to be, always keep in mind that fellas would like the entire time they are paying for, and to be treated like your guest (one who's clothes you can't wait to tear off) If you go out of your way to provide a wonderful, unrushed experience to those you see, they will feel your rate is worth every penny!

If the rate is too high, then book a shorter session. I get weary of hearing complaints about hourly rates, when both sps and clients could simply get at least a little creative and do something with lower rates not by reducing the hourly rate, by by offering different services, and shorter sessions Additional Comments: re: 20 times the average wage. Personally that is a laugh because I am available 7 days a week between 9am and 11pm,. My hourly rate is pretty low when you consider that is what I need to do in order to get the appts that I do get. most sps have to be quite flexible with their times and schedules, and usually or often at the cost of a personal life for the time they do this. If someone is 'on call' in other jobs, do they consider that just because they didn't get called in that they weren't 'working'? No matter what the rates are, there are always going to be a small group of clients who resent the sps for charging anything at all. But that is the nature of this, that it is actually a business. Gouging is the word I think most find disagreeable,. I don't see the point of using a word like that. It isn't like this is the price of food or gas or anything, you can choose not to use the 'product' and pay the fees. I would also like to point out that phrase "hard earned money". I see it a lot on review sites. There is somehow linked to an unspoken assumption that an sp's income is not 'hard earned'. The last text I received was one word: "Die". Look at the post 3 above mine, and see what Deeper has had to put up with simply for advertising and providing her services. Maybe take a moment to think about whether or not the client's money is earned 'harder' than the sps' is.

'Twas shortly 'ere Christmas, when all through Cerbland Not a client was stirring, not even Cometman; The research was done by many with care, In hopes that SP's soon would be there; The men were all nestled all snug in their ways, With visions of SP's coming their way; And Mod sat in his den, and I in my home, I just settled down to write a silly old poem; When out in Cerbland there arose such a clatter, Mod sprang to his office to see what was the matter. Away to the keyboard he flew like a flash, Threw open his windows and called up the cache; The peace in Cerbland from the newly written posts Gave him pause to reflect on Cerb, coast to coast, When, what to his eyes on the screen did appear, But a cute little image with eight tiny reindeer; With a little old driver, Lee Richards he thought, But surely it can't be, it must really be not? But more rapid than rep points, Lee's coursers they came, And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name; "Now, Gabby! Now, Katherine! Now, Emily and Cat! On, Meg! On Angela! Penelope and Nat! To the East coast we go! Let's go all the way! mrrnice is awaiting ,we mustn't delay!! As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly, When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky, So off to the coast the coursers they flew, Some an acquaintance to make and for some to renew. And then, in a jiffy Mod saw on the screen, Good golly not eight but t'was really eighteen Samantha and Sarah, VJ, Sophia, Isabella and Cleo and could that be Malika? mrrnice dressed in fur, from his head to his feet, His arms opened wide so all he could greet; A bundle of toys he flung to the girls, The vibes and the eggs they each had a whirl. His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry! His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, And both he and Lee had a toast to the show; He was happy and smiled, just like an old elf, And Mod laughed when he saw him, in spite of himself; A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Gave Mod to know he had nothing to dread; MN spoke not a word, but went straight to the flock, And hugged each one tightly while having a talk, Then waving his hand he laughed and he said, Have a great flight home its time for my bed; Then Lee sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. But Lee heard from behind, ere they drove out of sight, "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!" Apologies to Clement Clark Moore, original author!

Same here. This is an ongoing issue that you need to be able to roll with the punches so to speak. No amount of reminding, scolding, airing dirty laundry or getting upset about these "minority few's" behaviour is not going to change the ignorant, rude and stupid. We have to know how and when to be assertive so that things to not escalate. Paying attention to the so-called red flags and following your intuition are very important right from the beginning during the screening process. Not always a guarantee, but it's usually a good indication of whether it is something I feel comfortable seeing. I am fortunate that I can count on one hand the number of so-called dates I have had. I thank my luck stars that my good clients make up for the odd bad one that tries to unsuccessfully push my boundaries.

I think we will have to disagree a bit here. It is my opinion that a sensual massage should already include things like being enthusiastic, caring and sensual, or slower paced, and friendly etc. So using a term like GFE would not or should not indicate only that aspect because it seems to me that it is something 'extra' in FS sessions, so why not in MA sessions. Here, I think most agree that if someone advertises a GFE massage session, it is because it includes everything in a GFE sp/FS session, but not the FS part. It is ideal for someone who can't for some reason perform intercourse, but still wants everything else. Like FS GFE, it is interpreted as at least kissing, and usually daty and the option of a bj (covered or not). I wouldn't even say that it includes body slide activity, because that would also be something that a sensual massage provider would include. You can still have the clear distinction between MA and SP, but I do think the term for GFE (I do agree it is over used) can be used with massage to indicate the standards of GFE that have always been associated with it: kissing, daty, bj.

I have been feeling that way as well. I started out seven or so years ago at 120/hh 180/hr. Seven years later I'm sitting at 150/hh 200/hr. I think its time I gave myself a raise. I'm not a provider that enjoys seeing numerous clients daily. I enjoy having one or two, this way I know I am going to be able to give them my best & they know I'm not tired or sore. I enjoy them more as much as they enjoy me. Traveling takes a toll on me as I will see more client's daily because of the extra expenses. I still see plenty of men not grasping the concept of lowering rates= more clients. Really? That is not always necessarily true. I have a monthly Customer Appreciation day with reduced rates & I don't have my phone blowing up or them breaking down my door. I will see a max of four clients that day. I have sometimes just had only one. It's the rest of the weekend/month they are all calling when my rates aren't discounted. I don't generally need to have an Appreciation Day as I get enough business, but thought I'd show some appreciation to those that have seen me for years & give a new client a chance to see me at a lesser rate. Also Gentlemen, lower rates + more clients= A very tired cranky, sore, flustered woman that is going to start possibly providing poor service by her fourth client. Telling the ladies how to run their business is in very poor taste. Till you've lived a day in a life of a Provider, having to be flexible, see some not so desirable people. Answer endless emails, phone call's. Endless amounts of laundry. Having your home in a clean & tidy manor even if your just not in the mood to clean we still do. Spend an hour getting ready for sometimes a no-show. I could go on for days. We aren't sitting around doing absolutely nothing daily. There's the gym, tanning, manicure/pedicure lingerie shopping, supply shopping. I get up early like I would be going to a 9-5 job to be sure that I'm showered, have my face on for those early morning calls, (which I love the best). Plus as you fella's are calculating the amount we make yearly , your not taking into account the days that our phones can get quiet. Yup definitely time to give myself a raise. I offer a safe GFE. It can be debated that unless I offer bbbj I'm not a true GFE. I still offer all the other acronyms I just prefer to play safe when it comes to bb. Deeper/Emily I admire you for still giving your initial starting rate to your true & trusted clients that helped get you where you are today. Showing appreciation goes a long way :)

For outcalls, I always wear dresses :) I love dresses-however, they are not the dresses that I wear for my incalls , as those ones are usually a little more revealing ;) I once had a client who requested that I wear one of the dresses I have in my cerb pics-it is like a bright pink super tight and super short tube dress, it was during the summer, so there was no way I could have worn a trench coat lol- I explained that I could not walk into the hotel with that dress on..lmao..as I like to be discreet ..... but I did suggest that I could bring it with me and wear it for him in his room. ;)

Well, I had a bit of a clutzy mishap that took a turn for the worse today. I have a hairline fracture of the zygomatic bone (cheek bone) and my gentleman caller decided to attempt to execute a flip over maneuver. It was unexpected and I ended up with a knee to the eye. If anyone is turned on by the colors of the rainbow....the right side of my face is amazing! Lol.

Another way of thinking of it is like this: I'm a Canadian citizen. I love love love going to Europe, but that doesn't make me a European citizen. Not the best analogy, but you get the gist.

It's may seem strange, considering the OP's post, but I've been considering raising my rates for a while. Originally, when I started and wrote my business plan, I wanted to set a rate that had sustainability. I didn't want to be lowering it for specials and raising it when things were slow. Also, I wanted to offer an affordable price and real value for the money. I didn't want to seperate myself as 'elite', but instead I thought that by keeping my rates extremely affordable, it would allow all types of gentlmen to enjoy my wares, not only the rich. As I've mentioned before, I go to a lot of trouble when I have a client. The preparation involved in a BDSM session takes even more time. But I am always in the moment with my clients and consistently provide the very best service that I am humanly able to. I feel my clients deserve that for their hard-earned money. Additionally, I realized from the very beginning that this particular profession is all about customer service, and I continually ensure that the encounter I provide is exactly what the client wants, within my own parameters of course. And then I get to see women coming out of the woodwork, offering themselves as 'experienced' and they're only 21, or the best, hottest, tightest etc. in the city. Yet no reviews or good ones. People home in other parts of the residence, stinky or unkempt homes, 'call-it-in' service, no LFK, no DATY yet they claim to be GFE, little to no conversational skills, dirty linens, unwashed between appointments etc. And they're charging a lot more than I do, for a hell of a lot less! It's infuriating and the popularity of some of these women makes me feel like I'm undercutting myself for the service I provide. Just something I've been struggling with for a while. :)

Note to fellow "hobbyists": [--]SPs are not love dolls. They are human beings. [--]You may be horny. That isn't the same as stupid. [--]Don't be a jerk. Aubrey, sorry to hear that you had an experience like this. I hope that your sharing it will remind everybody else here that you and other SPs are exchanging a sort of intimacy for money; you're not renting out your body and soul for someone else to use as they see fit.

Torn retina: emergency surgery tomorrow:(

Being able to assemble Ikea furniture by myself.

Alexxxis, I think it is fine that you have your own opinion of what a sexual identity or orientation is. That is totally your right to have your opinion. But I dislike that you are telling other people that their identification is wrong, and that you are putting down identities like asexuality. It may not be common, but it is out there. As for the dictionary definitions... Not that long ago, gay meant something completely different. So did queer. We didn't always have the word transgender. So definitions are constantly changing as our understanding of human sexualities and identities is changing.

If you are getting into this and care not to share this information with others in your life, here are a couple of important things. Don't leave cookies or history. Chrome browser makes it very easy to delete your cookies and history every time you finish a CERB session. If you use Internet Explorer you will find it under Internet Options. CCleaner. Free software available here. Install it and run it after every session. It quickly cleans temporary Internet files, cookies, history, and caches in both Internet Explorer and Firefox at the same time, as well as empties your Recycle Bin and rids your computer of Windows log files. Occasionally run the command %temp% (with XP, click on Start, click on Run, enter %temp%, click OK. The Windows 7 Run command is similar). Delete all the files that show up. They are temporary files you do not need. A few files may not delete. Don't worry about them. "Find My Friends" phone app. Don't. If someone wants you to have it, turn it off when making a visit or be prepared with a good story for why you were at XX address for YY time. If you have a Blackberry, Google Latitude or the EchoEcho app provide the same function. If you get a separate phone for this hobby, ignore this one.

What are 5 things that make you go weak in your knees? Additional Comments: For me it is: 1. A warm embrace 2. A certain perfume (Oscar Delarante or vanela) 3. A hot kiss 4. Being touched in a certain way 5. Stocking covered legs

Looking deep within myself for some long, intense, and very reflective self-exploration.....and coming to the startling realization that......I'm really NOT too old to still think farts are funny!

Always interesting to see how people's opinions vary. I guess I'd draw the line at food-stained sweats or dirty clothes, but beyond that, I can't think of much beyond my chosen SP wearing what she likes to wear to meet me. Jeans? I'm cool with that. Dress? Yup. Skirt? Sure! Nothing? Yowsa! That being said, if it was an outcall, I would be a little taken aback if she showed up in Victoria's Secret...

Everyone has their expectations, preferences, and things that turn them on (or off). I like to wear tight dresses in bright reds and blues as much as I like the feeling of lace under worn denim. And don't get me started on leather. Have you ever paused to consider how sensual a fabric corduroy is? On the other hand, I find pastels largely dubious, although I acknowledge their allure for some. I avoid wearing white like some people avoid wearing paisley (which, incidentally, I love). I guess what I'm saying is that I would appreciate if my client would tell me of any distinct preferences re: style or type of clothing, because although I always dress to look and feel my best, not everyone will share my tastes. ;)

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1. A twinkly smile. 2. A guy who's a suck for doggies and kitties. 3. The natural warm fragrance of a man's clean hair and skin. 4. Getting lost in a kiss. 5. Feeling a man's hands on my belly.

I kinda like it when someone wears something that is comfortable, not necessarily sexy. Obviously it goes without saying that tattered clothes is probably not the best impression, but I couldn't care less if she wants to wear a dress, skirt, pair of jeans, t-shirt, tank top, sweater, or if it's an incall, even PJs. Dressing up sexy and glammed up only appeals to me if said person likes to do it herself, otherwise I feel kinda selfish asking her to go through all that trouble. And to be honest, from the pictures I've seen here, I think most, if not all the escorts here would look just lovely wearing anything.

My fantasy is to be: - Financially independent - Able to hobby when ever I want - Healthy or at least healthier - A better lover - Be there more often for my family - Volunteer more often - Finalcialy support local charities - Being a better person - Being more active - Be an anonymous benefactor - Travel to exotic destinations

I haven't read all of the posts on this thread but here's my take on the OP's question and the whole rate thing. Keep in mind I am retired so I really don't have a dog in this fight but I was a very active participant for over 10 years and maybe can lend some perspective. As a professional person who charges clients for my time I would never deny an SP her or his right to charge what ever they feel they are worth. It is a bit of a self esteem issue. If you value yourself and the expertise or talent you bring to the table, others should be willing to pay for that talent or expertise. You are always going to be regarless of your profession, in a position where some people cannot aford your services or thing you charge too much. In fact there is an old saying in business that if at least 2 or 3 people a week don't complain about your prices then you're not charging enough. There are also always going to be those out there sharing your profession who charge more or less than you do. While there is nothing wrong with using others as a guage, it is dangerous to simply set your rates to match others. Figure out what you need to cover your expenses and live the lifestyle you want. Then simply say if I see X number of clients a day (this will vary with your fee) and I want to work Y number of days a month, I need to charge Z per hour in order to make my monthly nut. From here you will likely need to make some adjustments if you are not making your ends meet every month but at least it is a starting point. My only negative comment about the current rates in the city is I personally think that many of the new ladies are hurting themselves by starting out charging $250 -300/hr. Just like any new business the most important thing you need is a clientelle. While some of us are fortuante enough to have a large enough network of friends or other clients to rely simply on referrals, most need ways to attract new clients. This can be done through creative marketing plans or adveritising but also by initially being very affordable. I must admit when I was in the game I would not go and try someone new if she was at the same rate or higher than one of my reliable providers. I needed a economic buffer to offset the fact I could be disappointed before I'd take a chance on a newbie. Once you have the client in the door, knock their socks off with superior service and then you can justify increasing your rates down the road. Many studies have shown a very satisfied client is not going to leave you even if your rate goes up as much as 20% in one year as long as they know you deliver the goods. The clients who do leave you (Butterfly clients because they flitter from provider to provider soley dependant on price) will leave but are not the type you build a business with. To summarize my advice to the OP is charge what you feel you need to and you are worth. Start out on the low end then blow the client away with a fantastic experience. Then over the next year gradually increase your rates to gradually establish the clientelle you wish to have. Continue to provide excellent service. Then ride your reputation to a successful life. Cheers

Good morning gentlemen, it is a nice day today. I am gonna put on something very sexy for you ;) How do you like to see my perky nipples through a white t-shirt and my sexy bums under the mini skirt ;) well, book your appointment now at 613 727-9000 can't wait to show off my sexy body, come check it out :P Kanata/Stittsville location $35/30m $50/45m relaxing massage .... I do accept tipping from $50 to $100 for any extra services ;)

Thanks to everyone for the advice and suggestions. I have decided to stay independent, and offer sessions from my in call of an hour and over. The only changes I will have to make are the shorter ones to keep my numbers low. This board is great for the support everyone shows towards each other and has helped me come to a decision. I very much appreciate it. Cheers!

Not really much to add to what others have said. I generally consider spas to be better for the spur-of-the-moment oh-god-i-need-a-massage occasions (yes, they happen :) ), whereas I tend to be more organized and book in advance with the independent ladies. Some locations are more convenient for me than others. But if I really want to see someone, I'll go to wherever she happens to be, and wanting to see her is really the only thing that matters.

lol...., i m sorry but i like hairless beaver lol xo

All good advice. Except... Never mind turning off the app... when you're going to spend time with someone, turn off your whole damn phone!

Emily hit the nail on the head. Save up! This is not a necessity but a desire! A lady will charge what she deems necessary; end of story. As she said, perhaps a bit of communication will go a long way in ensuring that you receive what it is you are looking for, be it at any price.

My happy song and fitting for this time of year. California Dreamin.

Hello CERB Gents! I will be available for sensual massages today until 9:00 pm, as well as Wednesday too, in the central east end, right by St Laurent Mall. Sensual Massage Rates 150 for 45 mins (Take $10 off ) 180 for 60 mins (Take $20 off ) 230 for 90 mins (Take $30 off ) (XMAS Rates) Please click here to see my latest massage recs :wink:# 9 & # 10 Please :wink: feel free to pm me or call me for more information. When spending time with me, you will feel comfortable, wanted, content and most importantly, satisfied!!!!!! Properly equipped with shower facilities/toiletries to ensure your cleanliness & clean linens/fresh towels to ensure your comfort :icon_smile: Please PM ( that is my preference) or email me @ [email protected] to book a session in advance . I will attempt to accept shorter notice appointments , however those who book recieve priority ;) . Please call (no texts - thank you :smile: ) to set something up ! Bye for now, Vanessa 613-262-646nine XOXO

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If a GENTLEMAN isn't ok with a specific ladies rate DON'T SEE HER! It should occur to some that what a lady chooses to charge for you to be ALONE and INTIMATE with her is for her to choose. By attempting to FORCE lowered prices to match those of the lower rate extremely high risk offering (likely desperate and or drug addicted) ladies currently advertising on winnipegs bp, you are asking us to take further risk to OUR HEALTH and the HEALTH OF THOSE WE SELECT TO INVITE TO BE INTIMATE WITH US. I am not interested in spending time with anyone who negotiates my rate, as this completly turns me off. May I ask what fellas are willing to compromise for the negotiated rates you think we should be charging?! Rates went up when expectations for BBBJ, and many other services did. Providers are taking way more risk to their health, so it makes sense to me that rates would rise also. In winnipeg our rates are much lower than plenty of other provinces. As much you may wish, you won't turn Winnipeg into Montreal, end of story. If you want to endanger yourself seeing high risk bottom budget service providers, by all means do so. Don't think it is acceptable to haggle a ladies rate, she set her rate to what made her feel ok with providing services at a risk to her safety and discretion. I'd suspect by seeing a lady whom one has haggled down in price would result in a less than average encounter simply for making the lady feel you did not think she was WORTH HER RATE!! I will add that I am in no way suggesting ladies with lower rates than myself are that which I have mentioned above. I am only reffering to the woman whom take whatever they are offered, and those who are advertising as "down for whatever" Guys, reading these conversations about our rates on the other erb are enough to make a lady want to raise her rates, PLEASE do us a favour and don't see us if you don't like what we charge as it will not ever be good enough if you feel you are paying more than you should. At the end of the day, there are plenty who DO and WILL pay our rates.

I have been biting my tongue to respond to this thread which is fraught with a lot of misinformation and ignorant comments. I am from Ottawa, not Winnipeg, but that has no bearing on what I'm about to say. To those of you who think our rates are out of control, unreasonable and that we have no business trying to equate ourselves with the rest of the economy because after all it's assumed none of us pay taxes and just lie on our back waiting for the phone to ring collecting our supposed easy money. For your information, most of us who have been around for awhile are actually charging the same or even less than we did 10 or 15 years ago. For example in 2002, my half hour rate was $150. It is currently $130 and when I run a special, it is $120. A 7 day insertion for a 4 line ad in Ottawa Sun newspaper cost $45. in 1998. The same ad costs $176. in 2012. So some of us have actually not given ourselves a raise in quite a long time and are actually making less. And I have to be available 12 hours a day to try and meet my my minimum daily quota (in my case I am a low volume provider so that is two, half hour calls or a one hour call per day) because there is more competition. So, for all intents and purposes, we are having to work longer to make less. That's all I have to say about that.

Daty should never be expected in a sensual massage experience. A GFE massage should be interpreted as a non mechanical encounter within a sensual setting. I suppose it may vary from one masseuse to another,but should not be expected as it ventures into the grey area between an MA and Sp. It's up to the lady and should remain private between two consenting adults.

I would like to add and define that a GFE massage is enthusiastic and non mechanical. It's about the tone of the session. It is not rushed and usually a slow sensual ride to a seamless and natural feeling ending. You feel cared about and pampered. These kind of encounters can lead to a great connection as well. ;)

I find it very sad that we even need to label a sexual activity. The reason why so many people are prudish is because of their fear of being labelled. Do what feels good and enjoy! I have, as Emma has expressed, experimented with various scenarios (gender wise) and have thoroughly enjoyed myself because I can see how the grey (kudos to Sara) areas need to be explored. It's all about having fun but never giving into anything you are uncomfortable with. PS big turn on for me is male on male oral :)

A lot on cleanliness and hygene has been covered in this thread, nothing more to add; However, if a person is well showered; Still an unpleasent smell from a penis or a vagina can occur within the hour. Such smell will predominently smell like cheese or fish. If one encounters such smell, it is advisable to avoid any contact, since these smells indicate disease rather than a cleanliness issue. On another note, one is surprised to see both SP's and Hobyists participate in bare oral sex to begin with.