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Not every woman can do what we do. Which is why most of them don't. yes, we get paid more. But we also open the door and welcome a stranger into our personal space, and from the second they walk in we kiss them and treat them like they're our boyfriend. So anyone who is comparing this to another source of income, PLEASE stop. Because it's not the same. We charge a lot. Because we give a lot. We give you our bodies. If you can't afford it, that's unfortunate, but please dont try to degrade us/negotiate our rates/make assumptions about who we are and what we do with our money. What we choose to charge in order to give you the right to our most personal, intimate moments...well, that's OUR choice, whether it means we're going to charge you $50, or $5000. One thing to think about... if we DIDN'T make what we do, do you think we'd all still be doing it? I do my job because I love sex...AND because I like the money I make. If I made $10 an hour, I wouldn't do it. The money I make gives me the freedom to do what I love to do most.

Going all the way back to the original question. Sweetie choose a rate that you feel comfortable with. I myself wouldn't set my rate same as those who travel, as it is my opinion doing so can and will cost you more encounters than you will gain finacially. (consider that rate includes airfare and hotels etc) Again is only my opinion but may help to determine a rate. Whatever you choose your rate to be, always keep in mind that fellas would like the entire time they are paying for, and to be treated like your guest (one who's clothes you can't wait to tear off) If you go out of your way to provide a wonderful, unrushed experience to those you see, they will feel your rate is worth every penny!

I haven't had a "full" sexual encounter with a guy, beyond a fellow kid trying the "you show me yours if I show you mine" gambit when I was really young. For whatever reason I didn't like the idea and (pardon the pun) blew him off. I also had a gay friend talk me into dropping my pants once. After a touch or two, that was enough for me. I have, thanks to Ms. Nathalie Lefebvre, had an opportunity to explore some play with strap-ons recently, and here's what I've learned from that: -- sexual desire is a lot more complicated than just "I like girls", "I like guys." -- The first time I put a dildo in my mouth, it was ... weird. I had to ask whether the arousal I felt at doing that meant that I had gay tendencies or not. -- I feel at this point I am a pretty firmly straight dude with some desire to play with gender roles. Would I suck a dick, attached either to a guy or a t-girl? I'm really not sure at this point. Given the circumstances? Perhaps. But it's not something that I've fantasized about or in search of. Would it make me gay if I did? Nope. Just a guy who likes girls and sucked a dick once. Does it matter? Not a whole lot, IMO. I think splitting hairs over dictionary definitions of straight, gay, bi, asexual, whatever, just distracts from the realities of how sex exhibits itself in people's lives.

'Twas shortly 'ere Christmas, when all through Cerbland Not a client was stirring, not even Cometman; The research was done by many with care, In hopes that SP's soon would be there; The men were all nestled all snug in their ways, With visions of SP's coming their way; And Mod sat in his den, and I in my home, I just settled down to write a silly old poem; When out in Cerbland there arose such a clatter, Mod sprang to his office to see what was the matter. Away to the keyboard he flew like a flash, Threw open his windows and called up the cache; The peace in Cerbland from the newly written posts Gave him pause to reflect on Cerb, coast to coast, When, what to his eyes on the screen did appear, But a cute little image with eight tiny reindeer; With a little old driver, Lee Richards he thought, But surely it can't be, it must really be not? But more rapid than rep points, Lee's coursers they came, And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name; "Now, Gabby! Now, Katherine! Now, Emily and Cat! On, Meg! On Angela! Penelope and Nat! To the East coast we go! Let's go all the way! mrrnice is awaiting ,we mustn't delay!! As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly, When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky, So off to the coast the coursers they flew, Some an acquaintance to make and for some to renew. And then, in a jiffy Mod saw on the screen, Good golly not eight but t'was really eighteen Samantha and Sarah, VJ, Sophia, Isabella and Cleo and could that be Malika? mrrnice dressed in fur, from his head to his feet, His arms opened wide so all he could greet; A bundle of toys he flung to the girls, The vibes and the eggs they each had a whirl. His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry! His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, And both he and Lee had a toast to the show; He was happy and smiled, just like an old elf, And Mod laughed when he saw him, in spite of himself; A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Gave Mod to know he had nothing to dread; MN spoke not a word, but went straight to the flock, And hugged each one tightly while having a talk, Then waving his hand he laughed and he said, Have a great flight home its time for my bed; Then Lee sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. But Lee heard from behind, ere they drove out of sight, "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!" Apologies to Clement Clark Moore, original author!

Life is complicated enough. I am a sexual being; period!

If the rate is too high, then book a shorter session. I get weary of hearing complaints about hourly rates, when both sps and clients could simply get at least a little creative and do something with lower rates not by reducing the hourly rate, by by offering different services, and shorter sessions Additional Comments: re: 20 times the average wage. Personally that is a laugh because I am available 7 days a week between 9am and 11pm,. My hourly rate is pretty low when you consider that is what I need to do in order to get the appts that I do get. most sps have to be quite flexible with their times and schedules, and usually or often at the cost of a personal life for the time they do this. If someone is 'on call' in other jobs, do they consider that just because they didn't get called in that they weren't 'working'? No matter what the rates are, there are always going to be a small group of clients who resent the sps for charging anything at all. But that is the nature of this, that it is actually a business. Gouging is the word I think most find disagreeable,. I don't see the point of using a word like that. It isn't like this is the price of food or gas or anything, you can choose not to use the 'product' and pay the fees. I would also like to point out that phrase "hard earned money". I see it a lot on review sites. There is somehow linked to an unspoken assumption that an sp's income is not 'hard earned'. The last text I received was one word: "Die". Look at the post 3 above mine, and see what Deeper has had to put up with simply for advertising and providing her services. Maybe take a moment to think about whether or not the client's money is earned 'harder' than the sps' is.

Hey there many-xes. :) A few points: (1) Labels. I really do see that you want to apply these labels not to inflict stigma or judgement, but because you simply feel they're accurate. I don't fault your motives, but do be careful; human experience is more complicated than dictionaries allow for. Plus, dictionaries are inherently limited, and the definitions they provide brief and superficial. I promise that if you consult professional sex researchers, they'll provide a much more complicated and nuanced set of definitions than the everyman's dictionary does. (2) Asexuality. Asexuality really is how quite a number of human beings are wired and live their lives. They're not sexually attracted to EITHER gender (but this doesn't preclude their full enjoyment of familiar, non-sexual intimacy). This has left them confused and sometimes ashamed, but more recently there's been some awareness and understanding emerging. Here's just one link on the subject from the excellent column of Andrew Sullivan (whose The Dish is awesome and I read every day): The Dish: Asexuality (one of many) (3) Complicated gender. I don't think you have accounted for the case I presented: a beautiful TG woman who still has male equipment. The genes say "male", so does the equipment. But everything else -- appearance, dress, mannerism, other body parts and proportions -- say female. Which is it? And why did you choose your answer? I'd have no trouble declaring myself gay if I thought that was the case. Whatever my nature is, I'll embrace it, revel in it (responsibly), and be proud. But for me, a cock attached to someone masculine has no sexual appeal at all; in fact, the idea is kind of repellent. (I actually consider that an unfortunate limitation on my part, but it's there and undeniable.) On the other hand, a cock on a pretty TG woman is a lot like a strapon worn by a sexy woman, but far far better because it actually works and the owner can feel what I'm doing to it. So how do we address these cases? Cock-equipped TG? Strapon-wearing woman? Which is male and which is female? And why? Last point: if you prefer to resort to genetics for the answer to those questions, then what if a guy receives awesome oral sex from a beautiful TG woman, and never finds out that she was genetically male? Was it still gay if I didn't know my partner was (in some respects) male? Why, or why not? If only genes and the fact that the partner had a cock made my sex with that partner "gay", then how can my knowledge, or lack of it, change that status? And yet, how can it NOT matter? See, it's what we perceive that defines us and our actions. Not what other people say, or a genetic test, or a dictionary. The disconnect in the latter case isn't on the part of the actors; it's the fault of the dictionary.

1) not everyone sees "2 customers" per day - there are slow times in this business just like any other 2) if a "customer" calls weekly (or more) that is their choice. they do not have the right to demand "cheaper" rates from everyone because of their frequent calling. 3) my rate is the same as what was charged here over ten years ago, and i have been told by hundreds that that "is too expensive!" 4) alot of the escorts are "new" to the sites - and are not "RICH' - for those that are, that's not the customers' concern or business anyway. 5) this being a "free country" the escorts are "free" to charge whatever they want and customers should not "haggle" or be abusive to those they "cannot afford" - a little maturity is much needed regarding this. Do people who "cannot afford" a lamborghini call the company and tell them what to charge? ...no...

I have been biting my tongue to respond to this thread which is fraught with a lot of misinformation and ignorant comments. I am from Ottawa, not Winnipeg, but that has no bearing on what I'm about to say. To those of you who think our rates are out of control, unreasonable and that we have no business trying to equate ourselves with the rest of the economy because after all it's assumed none of us pay taxes and just lie on our back waiting for the phone to ring collecting our supposed easy money. For your information, most of us who have been around for awhile are actually charging the same or even less than we did 10 or 15 years ago. For example in 2002, my half hour rate was $150. It is currently $130 and when I run a special, it is $120. A 7 day insertion for a 4 line ad in Ottawa Sun newspaper cost $45. in 1998. The same ad costs $176. in 2012. So some of us have actually not given ourselves a raise in quite a long time and are actually making less. And I have to be available 12 hours a day to try and meet my my minimum daily quota (in my case I am a low volume provider so that is two, half hour calls or a one hour call per day) because there is more competition. So, for all intents and purposes, we are having to work longer to make less. That's all I have to say about that.

Ah, that's a tough question to answer. But I think this song has sort of captured me. Recently, anyway. I know good things, I know bad as well Any witness of the world will tell If there is sorrow, then there is beauty and trust A secret pearl inside the heart of us So truly, if there is light then I want to see it Now that I know what I am living for Truly, if there is joy then I want to feel it Here in this world is where I want to be 'Cause I can't cry anymore And there is magic now, under blood red trees All the sky will scream a mystery And if we're strangers here, from the day we are born Why be afraid of freedom if it's yours? So truly, if there is light then I want to see it Now that I know what I am living for Truly, if there is joy then I want to feel it Here in this world is where I want to be 'Cause I can't cry anymore, I can't cry anymore, I All the world is calling, calling out my name All the world is saying it won't be the same All the sky is showing how it's gonna be But I'm scared and I'm tired of being like me I don't feel the crying part, but taken less literally I think I can relate to it. I think of it as a more general sentiment about letting go of negativity and baggage. To me the song seems to be about coming away from where you feel caged in by expectations and fear and trying to be more free to experience the world.

If a GENTLEMAN isn't ok with a specific ladies rate DON'T SEE HER! It should occur to some that what a lady chooses to charge for you to be ALONE and INTIMATE with her is for her to choose. By attempting to FORCE lowered prices to match those of the lower rate extremely high risk offering (likely desperate and or drug addicted) ladies currently advertising on winnipegs bp, you are asking us to take further risk to OUR HEALTH and the HEALTH OF THOSE WE SELECT TO INVITE TO BE INTIMATE WITH US. I am not interested in spending time with anyone who negotiates my rate, as this completly turns me off. May I ask what fellas are willing to compromise for the negotiated rates you think we should be charging?! Rates went up when expectations for BBBJ, and many other services did. Providers are taking way more risk to their health, so it makes sense to me that rates would rise also. In winnipeg our rates are much lower than plenty of other provinces. As much you may wish, you won't turn Winnipeg into Montreal, end of story. If you want to endanger yourself seeing high risk bottom budget service providers, by all means do so. Don't think it is acceptable to haggle a ladies rate, she set her rate to what made her feel ok with providing services at a risk to her safety and discretion. I'd suspect by seeing a lady whom one has haggled down in price would result in a less than average encounter simply for making the lady feel you did not think she was WORTH HER RATE!! I will add that I am in no way suggesting ladies with lower rates than myself are that which I have mentioned above. I am only reffering to the woman whom take whatever they are offered, and those who are advertising as "down for whatever" Guys, reading these conversations about our rates on the other erb are enough to make a lady want to raise her rates, PLEASE do us a favour and don't see us if you don't like what we charge as it will not ever be good enough if you feel you are paying more than you should. At the end of the day, there are plenty who DO and WILL pay our rates.

I run my own business and you could categorize it as a luxury expense, instead of a necessity. My prices are somewhat mid to high level in the industry. The fact of the matter is that I charge the rate I do because of a combination of a few factors: Because I can - Probably the most important reason. If I can charge someone $2k/day, and they are willing to pay for my services at that rate, I will do it. I'm not running a charity or non-profit Because of my experience and expertise - I've been thrown in a lot of difficult situations and have come out of it a bit smarter. That knowledge helps my future clients, and they usually appreciate it Because my reviews are that good - Not to brag, but I am very proud of the reviews my clients have given me. They often rave about me to their friends, frequently acting as my spokesmen and women. They would not do this if they felt they received a service inferior to the price they paid The one factor that will never ever play into my price points is cost of living/running a business - I if can't afford to do what I can because prices are rising, I can suck it up, cut a lot of personal luxuries out of my life or do something else for money. I can't charge more just because the price of gas has gone up or because my equipment is expensive, or my clothes need to be replaced or I need a new website. It is not the clients' business to know how my life is going, as far as they are concerned, I come in, provide the best service I can possibly do, and be professional. And this may sound cold, but I don't care about knowing if someone or some business is able to profit or break even from what they are doing, including SPs. I work hard, or I get eaten by someone else who will. I mentioned this because some SPs have brought it up here, and I respect their decision to charge whatever they want, just not justify it because of their expenses, but because they are just that good. Being an SP is different then what I do, so there are a whole set of different reasons. My point with all of this is that as an independent business owner, my concern for my clients start when they hire me, not when they try to negotiate me down or complain about how my field is so expensive. You can choose between Sears or Harry Rosen for suits, but you can't negotiate at either locations. And if someone thinks that the general industry is getting too expensive, it'll either snap back to what it use to be, or go on getting more expensive. Seeing an SP or MA is a luxury. And it'll react to market demands, just like everything else. Complaining about it seems a bit silly (but that's just me). If there is a certain $300/hr SP who does not treat clients well, she will lose out. Don't worry about her, worry about yourself. Visit highly recommended SPs. In my case, I found an SP that's awesome and quite professional, and I decided that I rather go back instead of seeing other SPs. Hey look, I'm a repeat customer! C/N: Either pay up, or don't. Nothing ticks me off more then when people complain my industry charges too much, and I can't imagine this industry is any different. Edit - If my unnecessarily long comment was unclear to anyone, an SP is free to charge whatever she wants for a variety of reasons that she set for herself, just like I did for myself for what I do. If she can make a comfortable living of it, great, power to her. /Soapbox

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People....this is becoming a bit childish! The sarcastic digs don't fit well with the cerb mantra. Shall we resume a more civilized line of discussion before the thread ends up in the cerb cemetery?

The way they smell, their curves, their breast, their soft skin, their taste, their lips, and last but not least, everything about them....

Asexuality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality I am not discussing myself in this thread. Current definitions fail to consider than many people consider sexuality to be on a spectrum (see Kinsey's work) rather than as clearly defined categories, and many other people choose to not define themselves by a label.

I would like to add and define that a GFE massage is enthusiastic and non mechanical. It's about the tone of the session. It is not rushed and usually a slow sensual ride to a seamless and natural feeling ending. You feel cared about and pampered. These kind of encounters can lead to a great connection as well. ;)

Why yes spraycan....all of the girls make two hundred thousand dollars a year !! Tax free of course !! and in the same world you just proposed there.... pigs can fly.... I have been meeting with the same travelling ladies for pushing 3 years....and not one of them have changed their rates actually. I have had 5 wage increases since then. Have you gotten a wage increase spraycan ? We all get older, we all work towards retirement someday....do you think a better life and and better income is not equally important to an SP ? My opinion.

I think that one thing to keep in mind is that most providers who ask for a reference also have alternative screening methods if a reference isn't possible. So it's not quite the roadblock some have made it out to be. I would also say that it is not the case that providers who ask for a reference are not also paying attention to tone, manner, wording, etc. I do not believe most SPs substitute a reference for their own impressions, so I find it odd that it's presented as though there's this dichotomy - either she uses her gut or gets a reference. A reference isn't an excuse not to think for yourself. I'm sure most girls know that. But as to why they would be requested at all, I think that a very good explanation has been given already for why travelling providers use them, but I would also point out that references can be very helpful to someone new to the industry. It's fine to say that we can go by our gut alone, but generally it takes some experience to hone our instinct. Instinct is not some magical talent that some people have, it's not a sixth sense. It is data gathering and pattern recognition most of the time. It takes time to gather enough data to start spotting patterns and figuring out what sounds like a time-waster and who sounds like bad news. We've all interacted with people all our lives so we don't come at this with no data. But for most girls this is still a new way of interacting with people so they need time to learn. In the meantime, references are a second opinion that can help you figure out if your impressions are correct or not. I know that some people are proponents of the school of hard-knocks, but I think in this business the knocks can be pretty hard. For those who are not so new that continue to ask for references, I would simply say why not, if it has always worked for them? For many gentleman, obviously, it is not seen a hoop to jump through so there is no particular reason for them to change a working model. And, as I mentioned, most will offer to screen by more old-school methods if a reference isn't available. But honestly, the whole debate about references only applies to providers who do advance bookings. I don't see how a provider who takes short-notice bookings could ever be expected to contact and hear back from a reference in time. So I think there are just as many valid arguments to be made for not using a reference. I don't think anyone should be judged for using references, as though they are failing to use their own good sense and are making clients jump through hoops, nor do I believe it's ever fair to insinuate that a provider who doesn't require them is being reckless. I also believe that there are reasons a provider would choose not to give references as a policy. I won't go into them in detail, some have been mentioned, but I don't think it's really necessary to defend. CERB is very positive and I love that things can be discussed and debated but I get a bit frustrated, or maybe dismayed, to see people put down for their preferred (and effective) methods of screening a client.

Am I the only one that doesn't have a clue what that meant.

Hello Ladies and Gents, I've just relocated from my popular west end location to a more private place that requires a reduction in my daily volume. I've always been a low volume provider, but tightening it up even more so now. I will be off for the next few weeks as I prepare my new home for guests and will most likely be renting a space for the next few months. It looks like I will no longer be an Independent for the time being, but do reassure you that my attention to detail and quality will not be changing, no matter where I operate from. Now my question is, how do you feel about visiting a commercial space versus independent? This is completely new to me again since I became independent three years ago after I established myself at a commercial location. I'm now looking at going back to where I started. That's all I have for now as I figure out my next journey and seeking opinions? Many thanks to those that have enjoyed my former location with me. I already miss it and am eager to start working again. E Additional Comments: I found a thread that answered many questions. :) http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81572&highlight=independent

Being able to assemble Ikea furniture by myself.

Enough money to retire with a real comfortable income (and all bills paid...be completely debt free) To be able to travel from coast to coast and see all of Canada (the hell with all those other countries, Canada is a pretty great country when you think about it, with lots to see and do) On those travels coast to coast, see ladies from CERB that I have yet to meet RG

For me, at least at the moment, I much prefer Indie. The spa experience can be nice yet, it can also be too polished & impersonal. Can you say: "Next?" With an Indie, I, personally, have a feeling that I am a guest. I am privileged to share the Provider's own personal space. A much more intimate and exciting experience IMO.

Hi Erin I have always worked for a spa/commercial, and it has its pros and cons, I have encounter many clients that much rather visit an independent provider rather than someone that works out of a commercial location, but I have also found out that when you provide good service your clients will follow you independent or working out of a commercial location ... So just keep up your good work and you will see that everything will work for you until your new place is tiptop and ready! Best of luck!! Vitto

We do not usually permit discussions on rates here on cerb as it brings out the trolls but on he flip side i think some guys (and gals) could benifit from a mature discussion. With that said any fights and troll posts (coments that i feel were made to create drama or piss someoe off) and i will suspend (or ban) without warning as i would like this to continue as a mature discussion. I hope this is very clear.

Argh.......I was going to read only here. However, I changed my mind and figured I'd better do this sober. Since I just finished my first beer, now's the time. I've seen a few ladies and have regretted not a one. My comfort zone is under $300 and over $200, but that's only a guide. I prefer incall since I do not incur the expense of a hotel, but have done outcall. I never use price as a condition, but I must admit to a couple of guides. If they're expensive to me, I'll look for reviews to ensure it's money well spent. If they're cheaper than I would expect, I figure I'm taking a chance, but so far, I've been happy. I have not a lot of discretionary funds, so I try to spend wisely and make sure the experience is fun, safe, and repeatable for both of us. I have never felt the need for a bad review and I would be mortified if a lady felt less than happy about the time I spent with her. I fondly recall the time I have spent with each and every one and I hope it continues. This brings me back to the topic at hand. Lower prices, I must confess, trouble me more than average or higher prices. I know that thrift stores sometimes yield treasures, but I don't expect it. There are so many criteria that the ladies use to determine their price. These are the criteria that I search out through various methods to ensure that she and I have a good chance at a deeper connection, so to speak. YMMV is a term often used and I wish to increase my "mileage" (by that, I don't mean taking liberties- I mean maximum enjoyment) by somehow finding a lady with matchable traits to mine. It takes a little more work, but there are gems from $100- $1000 - depending upon who they're with and whether they click. If I "click" with a lady, price is so secondary. Primary is......did I enjoy myself? Did she appear to enjoy herself? Would we both repeat? It all boils down to chemistry. there really is no such thing as a bad price, but there is such a thing as a bad experience. If I encounter one of those, then I have spent too much- no matter the price. To the OP, you know the market and you know yourself. Select the clientele that agree with your inner voice and you have found your perfect price point.

That's quite the assumption. While some girls may not claim their income, many, myself included, do. My mother once taught me something, years ago... when you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME....

When my nephew was born. When we were told my nephew had six months to live (that wasn't the highlight), but the highlight, later the doctors told us they were wrong, he will live much longer (mind you to say we all went through hell thinking he would die in six months is an understatement)...that was nine years ago. RG

They don't have cocks

I second cleo's comment-penises I love how they don't get us-it's cute their strength simplicity about alot of things how they appreciate our beauty-when we don't the fact that they are opposite their emotions really just about everything-except farting!

Of course it would be the birth of my one and only child!

They have cocks ;)

perhaps instead of escorts for him personally.. a g/g show for everyone? that way only viewing instead of actual intercourse

I meant to write I hope your first experience was spectacular lol

I remember a similar thread last year when I was new to cerb and had not seen a service provider since the very first time - in 1978 my remark then was that I was surprised to see that prices were quite flat over the significant number of years between 2011 and 1978 yes that 1978 encounter was in Edmonton in the middle of an oil boom ... and it cost me a little over $200 but last time I checked, Alberta was in the midst of another boom ... and it is not hard to find SPs charging a little over $200 ... and to an earlier point ... luckily I can afford to pay quite a bit over $200 and have often done so ... and enjoyed the longer encounters tremendously

I can understand both sides of the coin however there is a lot more risk in providing a service such as this as in comparison to sitting behind a desk and pushing paper. Most of these ladies also have day time jobs. So if you're not satisfied with the requested donation, then don't partake. Or get a second job to pay for your hobby.

Well it's been a awhile ..... so it may be loud and I hope the next lady I meet has a high ceiling in case I erupt like a volcano ;) :D he he

I pay taxes just for your info. and I know a good amount of other SP that does the same.

There are market forces at play here just like in any business. An sp is free to set her rates as she desires to give her a living she enjoys. You're not likely to see anyone lower their rates by much. You're more likely to see, with a perceived higher income, an increase in the number of total service providers, and new entrants into the business may charge a lower rate, and that's how you can not feel "gouged" if that is the case. There will always be terrible entrepreneurs in the marketplace, and they survive as long as customers continue to put up with them. We have boards like this to protect our resources and communicate with service providers. It makes no sense to complain about the price of any recreational service, if you want something that is out of your price range save up or move on. Respectfully. An sp can't stay in business if nobody pays her rate. If a rate is too high for you, then you're not one of her customers. Do remember though, that there are customers who are paying that rate and they are clearly enough for her. Maybe you (and I) can't afford a Rolls-Royce or Bentley, but somehow those companies manage to stay afloat.

""You feel you have been gouged! How can you say what it is that we should charge, that is for us to decide. We have to factor in the rising costs of everything else, such as living costs,power,gas,food, ect,ect. Do you have any idea the costs that go into hosting clients-laundry, supplies,beverages, snacks, wardrobe-the price of one pair of stockings is 20$+tax and alot of times they get picked or snagged so one pair per client-a nice lingerie outfit is over 100$ and most clients don't want us wearing the same one over and over-Shoes,lotions, towels, sheets and then the worth of our time-answering phones,emails,travelling, website costs-if you pay to have one built and maintained,advertising costs,,cosmetics,hair costs and abilities and talents! Exactly how can you really quantify there worth. Yet we do and I think more than fairly. In todays market 300hr is not outrageous, my gfe is 320 and believe me I feel I'm worth it. But to say we are gouging clients is more than insulting as none of us want to turn away or make it difficult for our clients by "gouging " them but we have to come out of this ahead or what is the point ?It isn't all about enjoyment we do run a business and there has to be profit. So I'm sorry to sound angry but when anyone tries to make us feel as though we are not worth our rates most of us will become angry. Do some research and look at the increase of other things then compare the increase in sp rates over the past decade alone, no comparison our rates have climbed very little and in my opinion not enough!I can't drive a bentley, it's my favorite car, can't afford one so I bought a cheaper, still luxurious car, but cheaper. I don't shop for new shoes as often as I used to , I go to the spa less often, buy food and other supplies on sale most off the time in this economy we all have to cut back on some things,especislly luxuries and treats but that doesn't mean they are not worth their cost.

I don't know what you are charging but I can say rates have gotten out of hand with all the sort of SP's showing up on BP and charging $300 for poor service. Locally I won't pay more than $250 and no more than $300 for touring. A year ago local rates were $200. A 25% increase in one year is a bit much. If you are getting enough biz for what you are charging then stay where you are, but rates are falling, finally. There is a touring company with some amazing ladies that comes to Wpg and charges only $220 for a full GFE touring girl! I am seeing four locals who are attractive and offer excellent GFE/PSE for $200 - $220. Rates are coming down, I think some of the ladies have realized that the gouging has to stop sometime. Rent doesn't go up 25% a year. Not in Winnipeg anyway.

Creep, by Radiohead. ...:(

I've got some good regular clients actually by simply replying to what anyone might consider rude or haggling by being firm and straightforward with them. I put hours not just in my ad, but right next to the phone #. You can't not see it. And yet, when the ad gets auto reposted at 12:30am, I do get phone calls at 1 and 2 am. I don't answer them, of course. If someone is calling without reading the hours, I know they are calling without reading my age and stats, and that is the real waste of my time. I also put my stats, age, etc, right under the phone #. These two things help filter out a few callers. It will never filter out all of them, but those guys will find ads anywhere and do the same thing. One site isn't the source of all the bad clients, just as one site isn't the source of all the bad sps. When I started I had a one line newspaper ad, and of course you get a lot of phone calls that don't lead to anything because the caller doesn't have enough info in those ads. You get 50 phone calls in a day, and maybe maybe 5 of them come by. But probably only one or two of those 5 come by a 2nd or 3rd time. Is that a waste of time? Answering 50 phone calls to get 5 appts and 2 regs? I don't think so, and I don't think many people running a business would think that either. If anyone expects that each and every call or enquiry is supposed to lead to an appt, I have a newsflash for them lol.

Sadly these are covered, but they are incredible.

I offer it as well although I generally do more 45 minute outcalls than incalls for some reason. Sometimes if a lady doesn't advertise it, it doesn't mean she wouldn't be open to it. It never hurts to ask!

Well now that you've revived this ancient thread, i figured i'd add my two cents... While I largely agree with the comments above, I'd like to illuminate the flip side of this issue. This may get me in trouble, but for many escorts, their goal is to finish the encounter asap to minimize time spent with the client while still reaping the rewards. More often then not, even with some of the best, the clothes are thrown at the drop of a hat and there is little to no foreplay (even in 2hr+ arrangements). I don't speak for all men, but many of us enjoy some of the hottest moments with an escort partially clothed. It is tremendously anti-climatic to greet your host, only to find her instantly drop all the clothes and be ready to roll (even if this happens in the first 5-10min, i still think it's too fast). This could mean that the client may not be as turned on and may require a lot more 'jack-hammering' to reach climax. Sure, the escort might tire or not enjoy this, but it was her actions that contributed to the time spent endlessly :bddog: . I guess all I'm saying is that these poor sexual experiences should not be blamed exclusively on the client, the escort plays a significant role as well. (Taking the time to get a client 'super' hot may in fact lead to a shorter overall time spent together.)