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Thought this was well worth sharing! Change Your Thinking It will take just 37 seconds to read this and change your thinking.. Two men, both seriously ill, occupied the same hospital room. ... One man was allowed to sit up in his bed for an hour each afternoon to help drain the fluid from his lungs. His bed was next to the room's only window. The other man had to spend all his time flat on his back. The men talked for hours on end. They spoke of their wives and families, their homes, their jobs, their involvement in the military service, where they had been on vacation.. Every afternoon, when the man in the bed by the window could sit up, he would pass the time by describing to his roommate all the things he could see outside the window. The man in the other bed began to live for those one hour periods where his world would be broadened and enlivened by all the activity and colour of the world outside. The window overlooked a park with a lovely lake. Ducks and swans played on the water while children sailed their model boats. Young lovers walked arm in arm amidst flowers of every colour and a fine view of the city skyline could be seen in the distance. As the man by the window described all this in exquisite details, the man on the other side of the room would close his eyes and imagine this picturesque scene. One warm afternoon, the man by the window described a parade passing by. Although the other man could not hear the band - he could see it in his mind's eye as the gentleman by the window portrayed it with descriptive words. Days, weeks and months passed. One morning, the day nurse arrived to bring water for their baths only to find the lifeless body of the man by the window, who had died peacefully in his sleep. She was saddened and called the hospital attendants to take the body away. As soon as it seemed appropriate, the other man asked if he could be moved next to the window. The nurse was happy to make the switch, and after making sure he was comfortable, she left him alone. Slowly, painfully, he propped himself up on one elbow to take his first look at the real world outside. He strained to slowly turn to look out the window besides the bed. It faced a blank wall. The man asked the nurse what could have compelled his deceased roommate who had described such wonderful things outside this window. The nurse responded that the man was blind and could not even see the wall. She said, 'Perhaps he just wanted to encourage you.' Epilogue: There is tremendous happiness in making others happy, despite our own situations. Shared grief is half the sorrow, but happiness when shared, is doubled. If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money can't buy. 'Today is a gift, that is why it is called The Present .' The origin of this letter is unknown, but please pass it on. Share it with friends and tag them so the cycle continues ... Do not keep this letter ... You could change a life too ...See More

I believe there is good people and bad pleople... I believe in being a good person as the one that doesn't do things to hurt others... Yes there is evil... The evil of evyous people, the evil of people that is ready to step on others to reach goals... Wether there is a devine being to judge us... That I am not sure of... I do not believe in religious institutions... Such as churches as they are run by human beings like you and me... Normal people that can make mistakes and judge others with unjustice... I believe in not harming others... What I do as an MA brings happiness to many... Great topic for discussion ;)

Wow! Hope your nephew and his family are okay! Something similar happened to me one time late at night when I was outside at my front door when a guy running from the police tried to run in my backyard. He startled me so badly that out of nowhere I started yelling and swearing at him and he started apologizing saying he was sorry. Instead, he tried to run in my neighbor's backyard and I chased him with a lawn gnome and hit him in the leg but he got away. Seconds later, police were looking for him. Turns out he broke into someone's house down the street while they were on vacation.

I'm Wiccan. Heaven and Hell doesn't exist. Nor does it condemn pre-marital sex. Wicca/Paganism actually approve and encourage sex as it's consider a form to worship whatever deity you believe in (as long as it's consensual of course) because it open your senses, chakra etc.

I am spiritual not religious. I have trouble with other people (namely humans with flaws like any of us) directly us how to live or not to live. We each have a compass inside us that leads us to do do what is right FOR US! And what might be right for us may not be acceptable or right to others. Our intuition, heart and instincts are never wrong as long as we remain quiet enough to listen and accept them as part of who we are. To me, what I do is a God given gift and I embrace it. Until I did, I always felt like I was missing something or could be happier. Work was always...well, work. As for those who partake, I believe that every person has a right to be happy, to be sexual and to be touched and appreciated. I believe they have the right to pursue this as long as no one is being hurt by it. Don't ask, don't tell, turn a blind eye...this all falls into that. I believe that a hobbyist getting his or her needs met through an SP/MP is happier and more content and brings these feelings back to their primary or central relationships, whatever they may be. To be THIS is spiritual and Godlike....to religion it is unacceptable but then again, so is much of what "religion" does. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is how someone feels inside their heart. I believe God wants us to be happy and our internal compass is there to help. If you're smiling at the end of the day and feel great with that spring in your step, you are listening!

There is certainly a conflict between this lifestyle and what the bible has to say about prostitution. But that being said, if you have tattoos, play football or have a round haircut you're also in violation of biblical directives. Hell, just Leviticus alone is enough to send every single one of us to hell. Everyone who is religious picks and chooses which parts of their book to follow. There's no possible way to take a literal interpretation of it and still exist in a modern society what with the thousands of weird and often conflicting edicts. So why treat seeing escorts any differently? Just add it to the list of hundreds of other parts of the bible that you're currently ignoring. Or do what I do...ignore the whole thing. ;-)

Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute actually. There is nowhere in any of the four gospels mention of her being a prostitute or a sinner of any kind. In the apocryphal texts, those are the texts that were left out of the bible, she is even a more prominent figure than she is in the New Testament. She should be revered in Christianity as a great prophet.

If you were not her customer you may want to just skip this and move on to next thread. If this upsets or offends anyone I apologize. Out of respect I am asking you keep any comments of poor taste to yourself and simply ignore this post if it bothers you in any way. If the mods decide this isn't appropriate I understand and apologize. Ok, lots of guys have been asking about Jen and out of the blue she called me the other day. She is doing well and thanks everyone for asking. She asked me to pass on a message and to be honest I am not real comfortable doing this or even sure it's appropriate but as a good friend of hers, here goes ..... Some of you know that she suffered a tragedy a while back, shortly after she left work in Ottawa. She lost her youngest son and BF in a car accident due to a drunk driver. They were on the way to see Jen who was in the hospital, her older kids were hurt pretty badly but recovered nicely since. There is WAY more to this story than meets the eye and this is where I struggle to know how much or what to say. I had seen Jen a few times after the accident as a friend to support her and we talked a lot as she knew I had lost a son as well. But 5 months later I started a project for work that involves travel. Upon return her phone numbers no longer worked and I decided she wanted to be left alone so I did not pursue contacting her in any way. I'll just mention that her son predicted his own and his father's death (this was confirmed to me by Jen's daughter) and in a strange twist of fate contributed to the accident which took their life. All of these unusual events have caused Jen to find religion. She quit massage and is doing hair only in BC. This all sounds unusual I am sure but keep in mind I am relaying this for Jen. Before his death her son told Jen that he was going to go to heaven soon but warned Jen that she was going to hell with her customers. This is what has Jen concerned and why she has changed her life but feels VERY strongly that her former customers need to be warned of this. She feels she can't truly be at ease until this is said so here I am feeling very conflicted writing this. She misses her customers who were also friends and wants them to know. She also extends an invitation to call her if you like, I will pass on her phone number via PM if you can convince me you were a friend of hers who will not call to upset her. Keep in mind she lives on the west coast and this is long distance, so it will cost you to call her. And don't expect a quick call if you want her to elaborate :) Those of you who know me will know this is no hoax and I do not endorse or condone the sentiments or beliefs expressed by Jen. This is her request and as a good friend of hers I am putting myself out on a limb to help her, much as I have done through the years.

I wanted to comment on many of these but CERB says I'm too yappy so I have to wait or say it all here. Emiafish, you are brilliant and I would join you in your fish bowl in a heartbeat. Cristy, you make me smile you beautiful lady! Cato, you take good care of us in the groups and spoil us with your posts. PistolPete, I enjoy your posts and expect you have a very dirty mouth (yum) Silverado, someone new to get to know but had to post because your post count was my fave number and that means a great day! Miss Sophia V, you are an invaluable community member and nice to talk to. Meatbeater, I had to laugh because you got called manbeater EmilyRushton, you are beautiful, well spoken and adored...lethal combo PatrickGC, you're awesome...as I told you already! Nicolette Vaughn, gorgeous, sassy and always words of wisdom Katherine, wise, expansive and spreading the love coast to coast Gabriella Laurence, simply stunning Ottawaboogieman, love your posts and your love of John Lee ------ Lee Richards, you make me smile Yeah baby! Megforfun, your smile impacts the world Marc123, new face (to me) but likes boobies so it's all good! Notch Johnson, you are in a class by yourself surrounding with great posts and lots of T&A Roamingguy, I simply love what you have to say Miquelon, last but certainly not least....you are many things to me. Thank you! Okay...a little bit yappy! LOL Have a wonderful evening all!!!

Tracie, we have yet to meet in the flesh, yet you've become a friendly voice in such a short time that I hope we meet soon. Keep up the posts, you have an avid fan here in the fish tank.

Has anyone else checked out the new series "Defiance"? It looks promising. The tie-in with a video game is intriguing.

So I seen this thread title, and said to myself in a panic..Holy Mother of Christ...please please do not let me see my name....LMAO Tony B-I recall some of your previous posts..and I know you are a genuine bbw lover and your intentions were positive...I am thinking maybe a little re-wording is in order ;) Perhaps who is the best suited bbw for you and your tastes would be a better question..than who is the heaviest...because even us proud ladies who carry extra weight-do not like the term "heaviest" to be used as a physical characteristic regarding our descpription..lol. Lots of Love, Vanessa xoxox

I may be able to help as I have offered massage to couples. If you have to convince your partner, it may lead to someone feeling out of their comfort zone and create an uncomfortable situation. My suggestion is to look through the site for providers that offer this service and have your partner decide on whom they're interested in and make contact. That way, she'll feel at ease and be a part of the communication. Usually there's more attention focused on your partner in the introduction. It takes us a little longer to warm up. ;) Couples massage is wonderful, but within mutual agreement and understanding.

I'm no Bible scholar by any stretch of the imagination, and I would be what you call agnostic. That said, I don't think there is a conflict between this lifestyle and religion. But I'm sure the institutions of religion (Church) would frown on this lifestyle. But going to Church doesn't make one religious, some so called Church going people I have found to be the most intolerant, unforgiving and unreligious people I have met. What is important to me is how people treat one another. I try my best to treat others with respect, and I'm sure God, if he does exist, would like us to treat one another with respect. As for this lifestyle, it provides the companionship which we all need, and because we pay a donation, it allows the lady to pay bills, put food on the table, pay the rent etc. I know lack of companionship is not all it's cracked up to be, loneliness sucks, and I'm sure not being able to pay your bills sucks too. This is a consensual mutually beneficial lifestyle and I certainly see no conflict with religion...but that's coming from an agnostic RG

I don't have the energy to get into a big long discussion on religion and the Bible; however I would just like to throw this out there. Wasn't Mary Magdalene a prostitute who was Jesus' best friend and possibly eventually his wife? Good enough for me. :)

I'm gonna nickname you "Big Toe"...I 'm gonna bang you on every piece of furniture I own...

My short answer is no, I don't. I also make strong distinctions between God and religion. I wrote about this when we had a similar discussion in February, and my thoughts haven't changed since then.

The sight of the first bud on the trees in springtime. :icon_smile:

I would call it a reasoned assumption. The SP I've seen a few times either is a very good actor at smiling and acting cheerful, I'm very bad at empathy or she really is at least content with what she's doing. Judging from her posts here, the time shared talking to her in person, I'd hope would be good enough to rule out the first two scenarios. Many, if not all the SPs here seem to be in this industry in their free will. Although I should put this as a disclaimer, in my definition, that includes doing this to pay the bills as any other person would take up a job to do the same. But even if I had that 100% certainty, it wouldn't be enough for me to do this long term. I'd like to find someone, settle down, and be a one woman man. (People please don't read into this as any sort of criticism or anything remotely like that). But getting back to the point of the thread (I just wanted to answer your question, not derail this thread), my religion definitely does have rules from what I understand against all of this. But if their is a God, and if I ever see him by the pearly white gates, and he asks me why I did it...I think I'd respond by saying is was a design flaw, talk to the creator.

The movie The Sessions says it's okay: As long as you have a healthy, balanced approach to paid companionship I think it's a fantastic and constructive supplement to one's life. If there's a religion or god that disagrees, then I say they've got the problem. Not me.

Hello capital hunter: In regards to sex outside of marriage etc. I think the Wiccan believe might be the exception. The question you pose is very complex because it deals with how people fundamentally see their relationship with religion and God. You will probably receive a wide variety of answers from a vast array of prospective. There is something remarkable that I have noticed here on CERB and indeed with most long-term service providers. A deep sense of humanity, and awareness of the person and their situation in life that goes considerably farther than what is norm. I suspect this is also true of long-term clients. This very thread is an excellent example. Such an unbiased and open question is not likely to be found on face book. No matter how it goes. It shows that the spirit [or spirits as the case may be] is integral to this community of people. Take care, PatrickGC

I'm not saying bp is bad its just come with a bit of uncertainty, not sure what you're going to get that is why lot cross reference with cerb. For me thought I find that cerb give more of a feel for the lady, usually more descriptive and by checking out her rep and other post it give you a bit of an idea of the person. I find bp is like judging a book by its cover could go either way. But I've seen a lot of the ladies advertise on both. Another thing is what kind of clientele do you want may wanna ask the ladies this but I find there is a lot of nice gentleman on this board were as bp you don't know who is calling and what to expect. But I'm sure the ladies could give you better insight than me.

I pray to God because I believe in a higher power. I follow a religion (a bit loosely) because I was born into it. I try to live like a good human being because it feels wrong not to. For some reason, I've been able to separate parts of my life with little to no effort. So as long as the person I'm seeing is doing it happily and in their own free will, I'm fine with seeing them.

We all start somewhere.. But you are one of the luckyones and now you have found the light at the end of the tuner ;) As an MA I still advertiae in other sites, but to be honest, but I am a cerb lady, and I would not want it other wise... I think I do the adds on the other sites becuse there is.a few good apples that yet are to find Cerb... Clients and ladoes... And they need to be saved, ;)

Finding out that sometimes life gives good things to real genuine wonderful people.

Tall, blonde, busty, and gorgeous!! :) You'll know her when you see her.

I've had the pleasure of arranging a couple of very rewarding mmf sessions with local providers, and its not as uncommon as you might think. Here are my recommended steps to consider... First, select a likely candidate and see her a couple of times one-on-one. If you establish good chemistry with her, it's much easier to approach her with the proposal to see yourself and a buddy together in a session. Plus, you've established that she's greek-friendly and have a concept of what her limits might be. Then, assuming she's pretty open-minded about such activity, all you need to do is approach her with the proposal. In fact, the first provider that I approached in this way willingly agreed, and our session was awesome. In addition, she also provided me with an intro to another sp that was interested in a similar arrangement. In time, a subsequent mmf ensued with the other provider, which turned out to be equally enjoyable! If you think this is a lot of effort on your part, yes, it might be. Good things don't come easy. But put yourself in a provider's mind-space.. An unknown client, who you've never seen before, calls you and asks that you host himself and another equally unknown quantity at your incall. Your safety is paramount, and you are putting yourself into a situation where you are going to entertain two possibly much larger individuals. Hmmmm.. Just some suggestions for your consideration.. Happy Pooning!!

I just want some opinion on this. From the beginning Ive always set and follow my own rule which is, not to get too attached or not to fall in love with any of my clients, just have a lot of fun . Unfortunately i am falling for someone now and i really dont know what to do about it ,its so hard because I can't even tell him I miss him or how I feel because he might think I'm trying too hard for the money.. I just can't help it every time I see him he just melt me inside. I really need some good advice on this one, maybe clear my head a little. I would really appreciate it.

OMG Vanessa! I haven't laughed so hard in years! I'm so sorry to scare you like that. I never thought of it that way. Additional Comments: So as not to cause great consternation among some of the readers here (still laughing, Vanessa), and based on the advice received, perhaps I could qualify the question a little? Who are the escorts in Canada who proudly advertise their weight as over 300 lbs? (I hope this doesn't get me in trouble, too)

It took me a while to find Cerb when i first started surveying the scene, and it can be intimidating when you first open the door and look in. Then you need to learn the rules both written and assumed before you feel comfortable enough to start to participate, and then will you fit in ? these are things most think about when first here so it takes time to get comfortable.Its also easy extremely easy to jump on to -------- and look around without anyone knowing your even there,check out photo,s see who advertises on a regular basis decide if you might test the waters.From the other perspective a sp can "set up" her business in minutes so of course its going to be a buyer and seller beware kind of marketplace. To me in the simplest form thats what B/P is" an open air marketplace " that people can wonder around and others show there wares and try to gain clientel (in no derogatory terms) with places like cerb, e/c ,and to a lesser extent perb and those with their own webpresence"s are the shops to the sides, whose doors you must step thru to actually see the usually finer (but not always) products inside !

congrats to you Midnight-Massage well done keep them coming

Wow, I am late! Sorry for the delay:( Congrats to you, I am so happy that you are finding cerb the community you were hoping for! It is a great way to get to know each other, even from a distance like you and I:) Hard to have a community, if no one posts and gets a chance to read what our thoughts are, dreams and desires...on-line friendships, support and unity, that's what it is about Manbeater:) Keep your post coming!! :bigclap:

Congrats Tracie! Thanks for your contribution and insightful posts. Always a pleasure and looking forward to the next 100! xo

The kisses my face was covered in when I picked up my pug today after a few days out of the city. He had a perma grin for hours once I brought him home, and so did I :)

So I left for a little while.. now I'm back. I hope I didn't miss anything while I was gone... lol... Love to see each and every one of you! Due time of course! AND for those who don't know me..I provide strickly Sensual Massages. Well I've kept it brief..so I'd love to hear from you! Email me for more information [email protected] Thank you to those still thinking of me.. as always makes me smile :) Savannah Voyeur xox

Atheist here so no comment on religion one way or another but rather a general comment on human nature. Humans are very good at justifying their behavior to avoid cognitive dissonance. We might feel guilty about something one way or another but we eventually re-write our personal narrative in such a way that our actions are always consistent with whatever individual code it is that we adhere to. Ultimately we want to do what we want to do and usually can manage to come up with some way to make sure that we're not the villain of the story. No two people interpret scripture the same way just as no two people have the same set of morals. Perhaps Aleister Crowley had it right. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

Same here, if someone catches my eye on bp I'll try to see if there are any reviews on cerb before seeing an sp

Futileresistenz: You are not off-topic at all. Rather, your comments highlight the humanity which is present between people involved in these relationships in spite of the mainstream perceptions. That says a tremendous amount about the beautiful artisans and their clients. Indeed it does go way beyond the accepted definition of "hobby" and the like terms which, I agree ultimately do a disservice to people. Perhaps the mainstream has a lot to learn from sex workers and their clients because what is being said here is that there is great humanity, fun, and in the same time [hopefully] makes money. These terms are not mutually exclusive despite what the mainstream would have the world believe. This works because people refuse to be constrained by labels. Front and center though it is our acknowledgment of how human and important erotic connection is. The very word "erotic" encompasses so much of the human experience; unlike other terms it is inclusive of variation.-apologies if I'm rambling here. The thoughts are coming fast and furious. Hopefully however it is making some sense- This discussion really does blow the stereotypes out of the water! Putting front and center people's humanity and how much fun and important it is. PatrickGC Additional Comments: Piano8950: "An interactive spa session." What a marvelous description! One worker I was seeing what did the other end of town meaning that I had to travel across the Berard Street Bridge in Vancouver where I live. Crossing the bridge on my electric scooter on a chilly afternoon, I arrived quite cold. However, after the spa session, which obviously worked also on my mind, I traveled back across the bridge feeling absolutely toasty warm. It could it snowed and I don't think that would have noticed. Yes indeed there was this spring in my step. :) PatrickGC

This Jenny woman, can I have a description of her, please? I probably won't have a chance to see her in the near future from all the talk here but perhaps a night will come where she will come to my table to offer her services. Hey, Leah did so once.

http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2013/04/23/madeleine-blair-nobodys-victim/

A $40 tip!!

It's fun. And I clearly remember after the first time I saw an MA, I felt my feet were bouncing of the pavement. I finally understood the term "Spring to my step". Basically, it's like exercise for my mind. It leaves me feeling refreshed, energized, and a little bit happier. So I guess I could say, it's like an interactive spa session. With less clothes, more kissing, and some other stuff.

Hey....just insert "spend" in front of money and that's me ! I quit corporate, I run my own show now, make very good money and found a most enjoyable way to spend :) I used the word hobby for lack of a better term but it is really not to me. It is also not a "lifestyle" either. It is just a part of my everyday life. It makes me a much happier person, I have developed some very nice connections, friendships spent time with some wonderful ladies and along the lines some great sex !! Cheers to sex everyone !!! :chug: It's pretty cool when both the guys and gals "look forward" to seeing each other. I think.

This pic of Leanna Decker has to be one of my favourites! :) She makes me....enthusiastic. Thanks to MellyBelly for finding it.

These last posts by Porthos and Gabriella Laurence both highlight the thoughtful and insightful nature of this thread. While the input of clients is important, the true beauty of this thread is the insight and personal revelations of the SPs. We, as clients can only know a small portion of the incredible challenges of being a SP and the more I get to know a few of the them, I realize how it can lead to a very complex and secretive life. It's wonderful for Karina to be falling in love but the challenge of revealing her true feelings to a client (lucky enough to be on the receiving end) is not always going to end up with a "Pretty Woman" ending? As Porthos and Gabriella Laurence so pointedly remarked that the parameters of their relationship may not change anything about their present lives. They may declare their love but who says Karina will stop being a SP or he will leave his wife (if there is one)?? We have to stop jumping to conclusions and just enjoy the process. Simply put, there is nothing wrong for Karina to fall in love with her client but the complexities of their lives will dictate the extent and nature of their relationship. Lastly, the intelligence, soulfulness, and the emotional range of responses that have been exhibited on this thread makes it obvious that many of the SPs and clients are thoughtful, intelligent, and emotionally secure with their feelings. A good community to know.....

This girl is amazing I highly recommend !

If there's someone who interests you but doesn't seem to offer the things you're looking for, consider asking anyway. There are many reasons for not advertising some activities, including creating a perception that the we only engage in kinky play, that we're happy to do something frequently or several times a day or a week, or that those activities are always available without making arrangements ahead of time. You should always feel free to change your mind once things get underway, too. Don't feel that, because you'd expected to do something, you're required to do it! Needs and desires shift and change depending on comfort level, mood and other things. Changing your mind the first time doesn't mean you shouldn't try again another time. However, if your companion has agreed to do something, or that she'll try to do it, she should be willing to fulfill the agreement. If she's not able to accommodate your request for some reason--perhaps she was spanked yesterday and is worried that any more of that today will cause bruising, for example--she should let you know before the meeting begins.

There's another benefit to asking service questions before booking. If the woman you're communicating with doesn't offer the service you're looking for, she may know someone who does and can provide you with a lead to follow up on. Provided you're communication has been respectful. That will shorten your search. Check out sp's web sites and reviews. That will give you a very good idea of who provides the service you're seeking or who may be game for it, if it's not specifically listed on their web site. You never know. You may find out that that your kinks aren't actually that unusual. We don't discuss our sexual desires often or with many people. As a result, it's easy for us to think that we're way out there. On the whole however, researchers have found that most people's "illicit desires", fantasies or kinks are pretty commonplace desires. Maybe you're vanilla after all lol. Service providers have a wider range of sexual activites that they've been able to explore and and are therefore comfortable with or in fact enjoy. The average person's sexual life remains more restricted by social conventions. Even something like Greek is a relatively easy service to find. Activities such as scat play, golden showers, pain, humiliation or domination will be services provided by very specialized sp's... but they are out there. Kinks may be difficult to discuss in social dating "When do I tell her I want to....? The first time we have sex... tenth time?" Lol You may have discussed your desires with a significant other and had them politely decline ("I'm just not game for that honey"), or they tried it for you and decided it's outside their comfort zone even for someone they love, or they may have passed judgement ("oooo... that's disgusting"). A polite inquiry to an sp will either evoke the first response, a referral to another sp, no response, or... "Ya, I love that..." or "I can do that, but that service costs extra and/or only if you follow these rules..." From your post, you seem considerate and tactful. As long as you do a little research, read a woman's website closely (that cannot be overemphasized) and the first words in your communication aren't "Hey baby, do you...", you should be able to find what you're looking for. Good luck, whatever flavour your kinks turn out to be!

Unfortunately only outcalls are legal in Canada. Incalls are illegal however for low volume SP there has been little trouble. Previous threads on cerb seem to indicate that a majority of incall SP had no problems with law enforcement. Again, unfortunately some law enforcement agencies would charge the clients as well or at least force them to go thru John School. If you want to be 100% safe stick with outcalls.