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At the risk of going all Debbie Downer on you... I'm going to anyway. I think that society's current expectations of clients are very low, but this is profoundly connected to society's impressions of sex workers. Unfortunately, the average person's vision of a sex worker is probably very negative. She might be a drug addict working for her pimp/dealer, or a trafficking victim at the mercy of the gang that got her into the country, but the general impression is of someone who is at the mercy of a person (or people) who control her activities, income, and entire life; she's turning tricks for their benefit, and she'll never see any of the proceeds. And that's before you even consider the idea that she may be underage... long story short; she's desperate, on the fringes of society, and she'll do what it takes to earn a few bucks to get her through the next day. That, in turn, feeds society's opinion of the client; he's a guy who just wants to get his rocks off. He doesn't give a damn about the well-being of the provider he sees; he doesn't care where the money goes. And he doesn't care that the girl sucking his cock may be, in the eyes of the law, a child. Society expects him to take what he can get; if he can, he'll rape a provider if he thinks he can get away with it. Long story short: he's an asshole, exploiting the vulnerable, and society expect him to behave as such. Now, everyone reading this post knows damn well that the impressions I've just outlined are absolute crap, and are in no way representative of this industry. Most of the ladies involved are doing exactly what they want to be doing, including a lot of the ones who have entered the country illegally. Most of the clients are, whatever their tastes in terms of age, not looking for someone under the age of majority; most of us would care if we met someone who we felt was being coerced in any way, and a lot of us would make an effort do something about it. Most of the ladies are not on drugs. Most of them are not under the control of anyone, even if they do choose to work for an agency. And most of us are also aware that not all sex workers are female, and not all clients are male. All of these things are... things that society as a whole doesn't get. The fundamental problem is the invisibility of the industry as a whole. I suspect that almost every adult in the country knows folks who are involved in this industry, as either clients or providers; they just don't know it, because none of us have neon signs on our foreheads. These things are changing, slowly; I've noticed over the past few years that sex workers' organizations have become more visible and have begun to get their message across in the mainstream press. This is a long, slow task (think of turning around an oil tanker) but they've made a good start, and people are - slowly - beginning to notice, and get their heads around the idea that there are a lot of sex workers out there who are strong and independent people who are doing exactly what they want to be doing. Clients are still much lower profile, despite being far more numerous, but I hope that will change. The recent changes in the law were designed in part to inhibit that, but I'm optimistic that eventually, reality will shine through. It'll be a long fight, and like many of these fights it'll take a generation or two and the road will be far from smooth. They say that a lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on... but when the truth starts kicking, the game's almost over. We'll get there.

Wow hate...such a strong word. I'm probably the other extreme from some of these posts. I love almost all sports. Watching and playing. Golf is great and well it's coming up to Masters weekend. Basketball, Final Four! Need I say more. And yes I also like tennis and a Prairie boy has to luv curling. The one I wouldn't say hate...just don't get. Cricket. However, it is so fanatic in some parts of the world that I'm also intrigued. I think I'm gonna have to figure it out and then give it a watch. Might take a little longer before I can actually try it. Cub

I think "society" in general falls into two camps. The first are those who were taught that this industry is wrong and hurtful to people and those involved are sick or drug riddled or whatever. They had the stigma attached to their thinking and they never questioned it nor looked any further into it but will react with it when required. The other camp doesn't really think about it or care. They are mostly focused on themselves and their lives and what others do doesn't have any real impact. This is the group that as an industry we need to reach because some of the new laws, ours included, could have actual impact on them even though it's not specifically about them. If the government feels taking away our rights and freedoms is okay and they do so unchallenged, who is to say they won't try it with the rest of the people in some capacity. It's like the anti-bullying law they have that gives access to private records and conversations via cell and email. How many people pay attention to the fact that police can charge you if you don't give over your phone password even without a warrant. The first camp has the loudest voices and aren't afraid to use them and can influence others because of this. They paint us with the ugliest brushes, client and worker alike. Most, no matter what we say or what we show them, will probably still continue to believe what they want. The other camp I believe, can be swayed or at least remain neutral. They are usually impacted by whatever personally touches them. This is when it could be important for them to know someone. I would love to see a positive wave of impact it's just difficult to stand up and be heard when you are unsure of the impact.

Phaedrus, as so often, really nailed it for me. From my perspective, which is inherently slanted because I myself am involved in this industry, I agree with most insofar as society doesn't give a rat's hairy keister about either the companions or the clients. The general census is that companions are uneducated, drug addled women with daddy issues. We know this is not true at all, but general society doesn't. It's a stereotype that is prevalent and detrimental, and it contributes to society's apathy regarding companion's rights and safety. As for clients, I don't think society has any expectations or preconceived notions other than that they are depraved, perverse and perhaps having a physical reason for needing "to pay for it" (being obese, ugly, etc.). Again, we all know this stereotype is no truer than the preconceived notions of companions, and yet it persists. Beyond those basic assumptions about what kind of people we are, it would seem no further thought is given on the subject. The average member of society is ignorant in the true sense of the word: they simply have no actual knowledge and therefor they presume stereotypes to be truth and leave it at that. That's my opinion, anyhow... :)

There have already been such good and thoughtful responses to this thread. If I try to narrow it down to the two specific questions posed then perhaps I may differ somewhat from what has been said to this point, not that I disagree with anything posted to this point. For society to respond to how they would expect a client to behave there must be a presumption that society knows this exists, even if society does not understand why clients seek out companions. My idealism still exists and I believe that with the above premise, society would expect a client to behave properly, respectfully and in the same way that non-participants expect to be treated in their own lives. Therefore I believe that standard for clients agrees with presumed social norms. However if one looks at the questions from the perspective of the non-participant, the beliefs of society I expect are quite the opposite. The existing stereotypes, even with all of the media coverage in the last year, are still perpetuated. Even five years ago before I discovered this world I did not think of it too much, but when I did I would have assumed that clients were losers and rough and low lifes, and that companions were used and were druggies or criminals. Sad eh, and I am supposed to be a reasonably intelligent man. Thanks for the thread Patrick. MN2

My opinion is that society as a whole doesn't care. This is a lifestyle that doesn't impact them, so they just don't give it a thought. Prior to the new legislation I'd wager if you asked any Canadian on a street corner (oooppps maybe a bad choice of words LOL) they would have said prostitution is illegal. And most likely don't even know the law has been changed I think what is more important is educating both clients and prospective clients and companions and prospective companions into what is proper etiquette and behaviour. I'm less worried about what society thinks of how we should behave, and more concerned about being the best client I can be. And passing along any tidbits of advice I can. To this end a board and community like Lyla is a very useful forum for the sharing of ideas and learning about this lifestyle. I know it was beneficial to me in my early days of this lifestyle So I'd say just be the best client/companion you can be. And don't worry about societal expectations, because society likely doesn't even care My take on it RG

But what you've outlined isn't crap, there in lines the reasons the public perceptions are as they are. There are a lot of clients that don't give a crap, they are there just to get their rocks off and couldn't care a less about the escorts position in life. A lot of the women are in this business because of poverty, drugs, abuse and other negative reasons. Sadly all of these things are true and do shed negativity on the business. There are also many women who have chosen this profession, who are happy to be in it and who are using it as a stepping stone in a positive way. There are also clients who seek out this type of escort and will only interact with responsible and professional women. The negativity of this business is harsh, real and unfortunately always overshadows the positives. As does the theory that a cheating man/women is a bad man/woman, as is the one he/she is cheating with. The fact that a lot of clients are attached also solidifies society's belief that those involved in this business cause the ruin of marriages and other relationships. That many of us are evil seductresses who have no morals or self respect. You would be hard pressed to find anyone in society to openly admit that an escort could actually enhance or help a coupled relationship, or that an escort may be an educated, level headed, productive member of society. These are my beliefs from my experiences in this business. I also believe that until society becomes more "European" towards sex, meaning, more accepting and open about it, the acceptance and opinions towards sex workers and their clients will stay unwanted and negative:(

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I've heard same, and a lot. Still, from my discussions over the years, not everyone has the discipline or willingness to set up their own business, filter clients, setting up ads, maintaining a place, getting to clients themselves etc .... Further, as mentioned before through this board, it's a good way (my understanding) for ladies in particular, to get started. I know a few that started out this way and became indy. I dont think either is better than the other though.

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I love what I do and have trouble calling it "a job". I only started 6 months ago, and had the chance to be "mentored" by two wonderful professional independent ladies (thank you again my friends). I feel so lucky to have met them exactly at the moment I needed them. I quit two part-time jobs to get into this activity because I needed to experience something else, but also because I was - and am - totally reviewing my vision of life, in general. Let's call it a "big review". This is for sure one of the best decisions I have taken in my life, and absolutely do not regret it. There is way more companionship and psychology involved in doing this, than it is about the "adult games". The real intimacy is this, being human with someone, exchanging with someone. What a gift to give and to receive. And sometimes, it can even become a luxury, because our lives are so stressful, complicated, painful etc... I shared some time with a gentleman a few days ago who just wanted to talk for hours. Just talking and sweetness. This is what he truly needed and wanted. It is moving to think that by just being me and listening to him, offering some sweetness, I helped him a lot. I think that this is one of the best jobs in the world. I also think that people who do not get this job do not get a big part of what being human is. And this is so sad.

After being on Cerb for over 3 years now. I've met many women from Cerb, of all sizes and races and ages. I've become on-line friends with many of them thou chat and PM's. I've also read most of the threads here and have come to the conclusion that the women that are the most successful and that I have had the best sessions with are women who truly love their work. I've learnt that some of these women started being an SP or MA due to personal circumstances. But have learnt that they actually enjoy doing this type of work and planned on doing it for as long as they can. These women enjoy giving and receiving pleasure and companionship. And as long as you are a gentleman and have good hygiene they welcome with you with open arms. And for the allocated time, they focus their attention on giving you companionship and pleasure. And if the chemistry is there and connection made. a friendship may be form where repeat encounters may occur with each one getting better and better as the comfort level and trust level form between two consenting adults. I have been lucky and have many encounters with kind loving women that I have continued contact with. Like any other job. If you truly love your work, and are good at it, success will come to you. This is a job where you can offer companionship and pleasure to men that are lonely or just lack the physical intimacy that humans need due to unfortunate circumstances. I am truly grateful to have met so many women that love their work and hope to meet many more. It really has changed my life. xoxoxox to all of you.

Just wanted to say that after being on Cerb for 4 years and meeting many SP's and MA's over the years that I have learnt a lot about the women who have chosen the is path as a career. Most of them have chosen this career because they enjoy the independence and financial freedom that it can bring. But this job is not easier. Many of them have families or kids to support. University educations that they are trying to complete. This job is demanding as it involves many hours of marketing, emailing, posting ad's answering text and PM's. Trying to get hotel, schedule appointments. The women who are most successful at this job are the one's that truly enjoy their work and like to please their clients. I've met many of these women and have truly enjoyed my time with them time and again. This can be a stressful time as they need the time to prepare the room and prepare themselves for each encounter. Some day's it can busy and other day's not. Some day's they meet some really fun gentlemen and other days, maybe some creeps. Some have been robbed, or beaten up or cheated. Sometimes there no shows or other girls that make fake appointments. This is a hard job. Sometimes it is physically demanding. They give their most intimate moments. It takes a certain kind of woman to handle the emotions and sexual activities that this job may entail. One SP, told me that it's not the physical aspect that is tiring. But the emotional aspect. To be able to pretend to enjoy themselves when they are not. She was saying that in this job she had to be the giver all the time and that most of the men were takers. Her Job was to give them pleasure and most men just used her to get as much pleasure for themselves. These women deserve more, they deserve to be treated kindly and with respect. Respect their time and their contact protocol. Be a gentlemen and be clean. Do not try to negotiate their rates, or push them for more then they are willing to offer. Give them a massage to start, make it about them in the beginning. They may have had a hard day, and appreciated a little kindness and tenderness and relaxation. Talk to them, they are people also, not just objects of your lust. Treat them well and with respect and kindness. I've been told by them, that it doesn't matter how old or what you look like. As long as you are a gentlemen and clean, you will be treated well. Remember, that they are there to make you happy and are providing a very intimate service, so you should appreciate they company they provide. If the chemistry and connection are there, you will have a great time. If the connection is real, it pays to return for repeat sessions. I have repeated many times with many of the women, and have found that each session get's better and better, as you get to know each other and are more relaxed with each other. I have had several good friendships developed over the years and have maintained them. Just wanted to say this to thank you to the women of Cerb for the fun and kindness that they have given us men over the years. I hope to meet many more of you over the next few years if I can :) Remember guys. Be a gentleman, be clean and respectful and you shall be rewarded. Oh yeah, one more thing. The woman should always cum first :)

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I completely agree with CristyCurves. And these are my two cents: Although the people that partake here are generally good people who choose to be here, want to be here, etc etc.. this is not the reality for everyone. Just because we have it good, doesn't mean that the negative realities don't exist. I recently watched two documentaries on Netflix. 'Tricked' and 'Playground'. Both are worth a watch. These stories are real. And terrible. These girls are threatened, drugged, cut off from society (literally locked up while not 'working'), beaten, etc etc. Their families are threatened. They are trapped and scared. The system is broken, and we cannot pretend that it isn't. These documentaries also shockingly highlight how the system fails at carrying out their altruistic goal of protecting and helping the girls / boys. Frustrated victims, frustrated social workers, frustrated people trying to help, frustrated police who see that what the law tells them to do, doesn't help. The only people still smiling are the pimps. These are the stories that 'outshine' the good of this industry. AND THEY SHOULD. One negative situation should have more public spotlight than all of our stories combined. One thing I found fascinating was the excitement from pimps, particularly in Vegas, that think that legalizing the sex trade is the best idea ever. They wouldn't lose the girls under their control, and could expand. They would be safer. They were excited. It would make it worse for those girls. I found this fascinating because that seems to be what a lot of us want (legalizing it). But I wonder if it really would make things better / safer, or if we are just deluding ourselves. Both sides shouldn't see the upside of it. These stories are realities. These girls are real. They are not made up stories from politicians and activists that are 'out to get us'. I'm by no means saying that their approach to fixing this problem is working, but there is a problem. And I would rather our society acknowledge the bad shit that happens, then to sweep it under the rug and say 'well that's the minority of people involved, so who cares'. There is actually a website called 'Baby-Rape'. I think that says enough right there. Or maybe you want some stats such as of the 5,930,615 pornographic pictures of children online that have been reported, only 874 children have been identified. I'll gladly live with the stereotype if it means it will help even one girl / boy. Phaedrus you wrote "Now, everyone reading this post knows damn well that the impressions I've just outlined are absolute crap, and are in no way representative of this industry.". I think that that statement is crap (sorry) and is perpetuating this idea that the problems that exist are not worth acknowledging.

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I think Malika covered the pros and cons well. SP agencies here in Ottawa are mostly dead except for 4 Asian agencies and 1 "national" which is not too active. MA agencies however are flourishing and are managed very well.

As a person who uses the hobby, I would rather use an independent service. I have done both to a degree, but like my last post said... I need to speak to the lady and make sure this is what I want first. (Not to offend anyone), but it's like getting to know the person you are donating too... if for example I am donating 10 penny's... I can almost be sure that those 10 penny's will be used in which ever way the SP wants. Other way around, I'll donate 10 penny's as the SP can get what? 4-5 of them? and the rest goes elsewhere. I just don't like the feeling.

I am sure Agency's will always exist. I don't think enough male's know about places like CERB etc. so there will always be a need. Me personally I prefer the Indy route. Once you find the right Ladies there is never any problems. Also a lot safer. This is just my opinion. If you lived in Ottawa cristy you would be one of my favs.. I can tell you that..

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I got Tarzan also. But 5 questions is really not enough to know what "type" of sex you like

Agency: Get ready for work in the morning, shower, do hair and make up, have 2-3 appointments in the day, close your phone, go home and forget about everything Indy: Get up and shower, posts ads on various website and updated it, keep up with social medias, answer emails, phone calls and texts from various people, from a bunch that will waste your time. Do hair and make up, get your incall location ready and clean, have appointments, clean up, do the laundry , keep up with emails again and I could continue. I do prefer to be independent as I can chose to advertise the way I want, the rates I want and chose people that I want to see. However I do understand why some girls would prefer to go with an agency. It can pretty much be a 9-5 type of jobs, while being an Indy is 24/7 job. For example if you don't answer your emails in a timely fashion some potential clients may just move on to the next person if you don't answer

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I doubt it, they are doing well here in Montreal. Always have.

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I don't know how much effect the new laws have had. Bear in mind that many clients aren't on the boards, or don't read more than the ads; from talking to some ladies, it seems like there's a large majority of clients who have no idea that the old laws were, or that there has been a change. Also: don't underestimate seasonal factors. In January, everyone gets the credit-card bills from Christmas, and suddenly a lot of folks have a bit less disposable income. And then people have taxes to worry about. From what I've heard, January is reliably slow, and it takes a month or three for things to pick up. Trust me, I'm doing what I can.... obviously this is purely out of concern for other peoples' welfare, and nothing to do with the fact that it's awesome :)

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I believe what tempted Monk was trying to say is that there is inspiration in what has already been accomplished. I believe everyone, no matter what business they are in, gains insight, knowledge and inspiration from others. The good take this and build around it with their own flair and style and turn it into a unique presentation. Photographers may see lighting, posing or places that inspire something in them and they then use those ideas as a jumping point to something else. Online business may look at what other like businesses are doing in advertising and web presence. This does NOT mean anyone is coping anyone's content, it simply means they are drawing inspiration to begin their own design and development. Yes, there are people with no insight or imagination who steal ideas, thoughts, words, concepts but this is not the majority of people. I learn and gain from those around me all the time. I don't steal but I gather ideas and use them to create something unique to me. There are standards that most companion websites have to give the necessary information. Each of the headers means something different to everyone or provides a different vision. Using the same header with personalized content is not stealing, it's utilizing an industry standard. Every website has a donation page or a gallery page. There are only so many names to call this before people get confused as to the content. I think this was mainly a perception issue. When I read it, I read it as an idea jumping point. Those who have had previous issues saw it as something else and of course, everyone in between. It is NOT okay to steal content, copyrighted images or taglines, styling or whatever. I do believe ideas can be gained from research.

Please don't let the fear mongering take affect. That's partly why news reports like this are published. They want to scare off some. Just be diligent in your research, screening and stick to those known to be safe and reliable, there are many:) We all must keep this business safe, fun, discrete and thriving. We all deserve to have fun, after all!

Slight hijack... for those guys who don't feel inclined to leave extra in the envelope for whatever reason, writing a reco usually seems to be appreciated. It helps the rest of us out, too :)

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Ahhh, the ?tipping? debate! I noticed there was a decided void in SP response so I will take a minute to share my thoughts? From an agency girl perspective, tipping is often a way to generate extra income because after they pay the agency and the driver, they usually end up on the short end of the stick. 10 years ago, I ran for an agency, we collected $260 for an hour, with $110 going to the house, $40-$100 to the driver depending on where the visit was located, which left me maximum of $110 with as little as $10 in my pocket. With a $15 book on fee and mandatory car cell phone fees of $25 per night, I needed 3 full fees per night to make working worthwhile, God forbid I get credit card calls, which somehow always worked out us getting nothing. We were not allowed to refuse a call so we had to find creative ways to ensure we were paid. Tipping for extra service was the only way to keep our heads above water. The nice thing was that we had a shift, we worked, and we went home and had a life. That said, it was unfair to the guest who would end up with less than what he expected because he was not prepared for the extra fees. Independents are in a slightly different boat. We usually have a higher upfront fee, but we also assume ALL the costs incurred, which is far more than many realize. If we charged what we feel we should to get our ROI, the protests would be heard long and loud. Many Indies have a smaller bottom line than an ambitious girl at a well run agency. So when it comes to tips, many things need to be considered. In the south, SP's are tipped much in the same manner as a restaurant. Anyone walking a restaurant wouldn?t consider walking out without leaving a tip if everything was satisfactory. I tip everyone in the service industry, from the girl who washes my hair, to the man at Suny?s who pumps my gas because a little bit from many adds up at the end of the day. Flowers and trinkets are lovely in thought, but a girl can?t deposit wilted stems into an RRSP, and my bank doesn?t seem to take dildos, massage oil, garter belts or silk stockings on deposit -go figure! As Joyful C has so wisely stated, most SP?s live a fragile existence financially. We provide an illusion of playful luxury for our guests benefit, but rest assured, 90% of the time it is smoke and mirrors. Behind the scenes we struggle to pay our bills, put diapers on our babies and try to take care of those we love, all the while working on a way to get to a normal existence if that does in fact even exist. An extra $20 from each client equals a full appointment by the end of the week, and at the end of the month that pays the cell phone, buys the groceries and lets us take the little ones away for the weekend after we have paid both rents (home and incall), all our advertising, babysitters, hydro, car repairs, personal maintenance and the same expenses everyone else has. Not to mention the monthly payments on augmentation, lifts, tucks and anything else to keep us up to the exceptionally high standards expected if we want to continue making money in this arena. There are few SP?s who can keep up the daily client service to ensure long term financial viability in this business because of the emotional and physical toll this business extracts which sometimes means extended time offs to get our heads, hearts and bodies back in order. We have no paid holidays, benefits or paid personal days. If there is a crisis that forces us to take time off, we lose money and clients which often means we work regardless of illness, pain or any other of lifes challenges. Each SP has her own reasons for working, but the universal element is that we all are trying to achieve some sort of financial stability. I never expect tips, and I can count on one hand how many I have received since my arrival in Canada because of the nature of the business here. Hate to tell you guys, but Canadian men are not known for their generous nature, they rank a close second to Germans in this realm (I think the outlandishly high taxes inflicted in both countries has something to do with it!). I would never expect a tip from guests that have me on retainer, I see them weekly. But unless you are going to be a bankable commodity in a SP?s life, a tip relative to the quality of service is a sure way to say thank you and have her know you mean it... Catherine