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I understand you questioning this but providers are not about to discuss their management of these situations in a public forum as it simply gives a client with this intention insight into how to circumvent our safety measures. I gently suggest you find a good agency, learn the ropes, earn your stripes and if you go indie and still have questions you will be granted access to the private area where our important issues are discussed. This game is sold, not told. Let the people making the money off the phones teach you. It's their job... cat

Advertising is NOT soliciting! Soliciting involves disturbing someone, interrupting their time, taking their attention to offer them an opportunity for an encounter. It is illegal for me to approach someone else in a public place and invite them to pay me for sex. Soliciting on the streets ostensibly prevents the normal flow of traffic when sex workers approach cars at stop signs and traffic lights or when they accost people walking on the sidewalk. Soliciting in other places, such as a hotel bar or lobby, is when the sex worker approaches a patron of the establishment to offer sexual services for money. Soliciting in print is an entirely different matter. This was settled in the 1980s when police laid a series of charges against a Vancouver newspaper that accepted ads from escorts. The court ruled that advertising was not soliciting because no one forced anyone to read the ads. Reading is voluntary in the way that having to deal with someone who comes up to you on the street is not. Anyone who reads escort ads knows or should know what they're reading and they make their choices accordingly. The internet is publicly accessible but is not a public place. No one is forced to go to my website, read the content or make an active decision about whether they want to meet me. I'm easy to find if someone is looking for me or a woman like me who makes available the things that I offer. In the US, some states and cities have tried to re-define or regulate what happens on the Internet in relation to prostitution but, so far, have failed. It is impossible to prevent users from accessing content outside of a city's or state's boundaries. While an ISP can decide not to carry content from other places, they must also face the dilemma of finding or keeping users who are content to have the access restricted in addition to having their actions called into question in relation to free speech rights. Not everything that's available on the Internet is legal. It is illegal in most jurisdictions to look at pornography involving children, for example. It is legal to look at porn involving adults. The courts have so far ruled that cell phone conversations are private. One cannot ordinarily overhear both sides of a call. In many jurisdictions, it is illegal to use electronic devices to listen to cell conversations just as only the police can tap a land-based telephone line and usually have to get a court order allowing them to invade someone's privacy when they do it. If I meet someone at a hotel, at his invitation or mine, we will not discuss what is going to happen before we enter the private room because such a conversation is illegal. On that principle, it would be extremely foolish for me to make a call on or answer my cell phone if I'm in a public place and then engage in a detailed conversation about what I might offer. Many escorts use polite or indirect language when it comes to describing explicitly what we offer. Many of us may say that we are only offering companionship, not sex, and some of us may imagine that this covers us in the event that someone imagines we are soliciting. Many of us also require visitors to our websites to agree that they may be reading or viewing sexually explicit content before they access it. This is polite, but not necessary. It helps prevent people from clicking through the site by accident or when they're in a place, such as at work or in Starbucks, where viewing that content may be a bad idea. Personally, I'm not worried about soliciting. Making statements about offering my time at a certain rate is simply a way of telling prospective clients what I guarantee to provide, period. I will not guarantee to engage in intimate contact or sexual acts with someone I don't know. I may not feel comfortable with the individual for many reasons. I may not feel up to engaging in certain activities every time I see someone. I may be willing to do something with a trusted client that I will not do with a stranger. All I guarantee is to spend the amount of time promised. Of course, one difference between me and many women a prospective client may date is that the likelihood that I will engage in intimate activity with him in a private place is significantly higher. If he and I have had the opportunity to become fairly well-acquainted, it's virtually certain to happen.

On the lighter side... Ever been stood up for a date? It's something I think we all hate When you're early and not even late? And you're ready to just penetrate? You called and confirmed You had planned to lose sperm! So to hell with it, go masturbate!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2013/02/28/ottawa-ontario-today-gracie-award.html?cmp=rss CBC News Posted: Feb 28, 2013 3:53 PM ET Last Updated: Feb 28, 2013 4:20 PM ET Related Stories Ontario Today CBC's Ontario Today has won an award for a call-in show that offered listeners a chance to ask questions of a sex-trade worker and talk about how the sex trade has affected their lives The Alliance for Women in Media Foundation has given its 2013 Gracie Award for Outstanding Talk Show for the show, the third time since 2010 the program has won the honour in the North America-wide competition. The Gracie Awards honour programming created for women, by women, and about women. Produced by Margot Wright and hosted by Rita Celli, the special program offered listeners the chance to ask questions of a sex worker and to share personal stories of how the sex trade has touched their lives. The award was one of two earned by shows produced by CBC Ottawa. "Strings," a music documentary that focused on string musicians in Ottawa, won for best portrait/documentary. It was produced by CBC Ottawa's arts and entertainment unit as part of the series Absolutely Ottawa. The 38th Annual Gracie Awards will be presented on June 26 at the Hilton New York. [While I think this is super cool, they could have at least mentioned my name--they wouldn't have won the award without me]

A number of us here on cerb think you are actually a guy posing as a lady asking these questions, we have let you continue to see what becomes of this (your intentions).... Some members suspect you may be a guy we recently banned. Your writing style and wording choices scream "male"... We just want to be sure before we ban your account so we are basically letting you hang yourself here,

What's that saying? "...a time and a season for all things...". The depth of feeling you have about the companion you've lost is a perfect indicator of how fortunate you were for the experience in the first place, and to have had her company for the time that you did. That's one of those things in life; early on it keeps giving you new things and experiences, but over time you're forced to deal with the feelings when something, often completely out of our control, takes them away. It's always a hard transition, but I find that grief eventually gives way to that second sentiment of appreciation. And while it's common to feel like a lost partner was The One, that's not true... what you've really learned is that such experiences are possible for you, and while there's still time you should look for them again. Don't forget anything; that's never the point. Let your memories of what's possible motivate you into moving forward. I always hated it when people would make these kind of statements when I was in the midst of grief; it sounds so trite and almost like it's trying to trivialize the loss or the person I missed. But not so. Really it's just an assurance that you've had a wonderful human experience, and it's worth searching for again. You can absolutely recapture that feeling with someone new. But you need to put in some work to get there. That's one of life's great adventures. So you're Columbus and you discovered the Bahamas? Awesome! But now that's behind you, time for another voyage. Cuba and the Americas are waiting. I guess my only practical advice is: time. And to not stop trying with new people. And try not to let the shadow of your old experiences get in the way of appreciating the new ones while they're happening.

First be happy for her, that she is able to move on to the next stage in her life. Yes I'd miss her, but I would feel worse if she was continuing in this lifestyle when she really no longer wants to. Remember the good times and be happy she could retire. RG

Hey zxc456, I'll be very straight up with you. Based on the nature of your questions so far and my reading of responding posts (specificly reading between the lines) there is some question related to wheather you're legit in your intentions. That said I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and provide some advice. I am a newbie myself albeit on the client side however I believe that seeking out and asking questions of experienced, knowledgeable people with expertise is ALWAYS a good idea. So you are doing what you should definately do, seek answers. However, the venue for some questions (like some of the ones you've asked in this and another post) may not be appropriate in a public forum like this one (I have noted that very experienced, successful SP's with alot to offer a newbie have point blank told you this). So I would suggest that you read the boards and determine an SP who's thoughts and opinions you feel you respect and tend to mirror yours and privately contact this SP and ask if they would be willing to address some of your questions. I assure you that based on my personal experience that cerb is filled with wonderful, interesting KNOWLEDGEABLE people and you will find a generous person who will be more than happy to help you. (plus they may be more forthcomming in a private conversation). Personally, I had some concerns and questions as a client before contacting an SP so I privately contacted a very experienced and respected hobbiest here on cerb who thankfully offered advice and opinions that addressed my concerns. Being new I did not want to request advice or speak my mind in an open forum as I was aware that in my ignorance (lack of knowledge) I could inadvertantly offend someone with my questions. It turns out that it was a good idea because I asked a innocent but offencive question that quite frankly would have put me in the dog house here on cerb and was informed of my error (oops!). There is a wealth of knowledge and experience here on cerb related to not just this industry but many aspects of life in general. Use it, but don't abuse anyones good nature or pass judgement in any way. I have discovered that there are many different approaches to operating in this industry each with their own unique benefits and pitfalls and each SP had chosen their approach based on what works for her. It's definately not a one size fits all for either the SP's or the clients so with some guideance from those "in-the -know" you'll find what works for you. Good luck from Chuck

zxc456, pay careful heed to what Cat says. I would never work from a room in a motel because their security systems are negligible at best. My visitors and I deserve the far greater privacy and safety which are guaranteed in the finest hotels. As for blackmail, the men I entertain are not fools. I always know and have verified my guests' identities and they always know that their privacy is sacrosanct as long as I'm safe. In our shadowy world, we look out for each other and will go to great lengths to help one another be safe. No one keeps secrets as well as we do, provided that those who need secrecy are honest. But the questions you ask and the ways that you frame them are so unlike anything I've been asked by dozens of young women who were considering joining our profession that I'm finding it difficult to believe that you're one of them.

WHAT would you do in that situation if you are in a hotel and are supposed to be there for a day or two and they threaten to rat you out? My first repsonse would be : Go ahead...make my day ...I dare you to go and report me to the hotel, and while your at it-you can explain how it is that you know this....lol I would also keep his money, order him the eff out and then take his information and report it to the sp bad date section ;)

How often did you guys think with your small head before the big one? Here are some examples of situation as such. Hope you enjoy it, and share stories.

You have joined this board just this February, your 3 posts are inquiring about the business of an SP. Your questions are delicate ones, you seem to be wanting "how to go about things from a SPs point of view in the business" But are you really questioning yourself about doing this line of work? I've read your posts and you come across to be very apprehensive about it all. Perhaps with the line of questions you are asking, as Samantha Evans said as well " not every lady is cut out for this line of work" I'm sorry but I read a lot apprehension from yourself, it isn't just the legal aspect of the biz, it is the mental part as well, what happens if your friends find out? Your family? Are you suitable to give your heart and soul to gentlemen that walk through your door? Are you willing to make passionate love to a complete stranger? Or in some cases more than one stranger a day? There are so many other details other than the legal aspect ( which is of course very important) you should really give yourself a "gut check" and ask yourself can you do this line of work? My thoughts on that topic. To your question, I've seen 99% of ladies at their location, I've done 5 outcalls in my time. Real guys/gents don't play blackmailing games, it is called a screening process on the ladies part. Best of luck to you.

I don't think that constitutes a viable threat any longer. Law enforcement has really no interest as any applicable laws that would make what the lady is doing illegal have twice been declared a charter violation and they have no need to make it three times, added to this where is the evidence? While the blackmailer could attest to one visit that is all, the ladies location has to be used for that purpose more than once to be 'common'. The hotel appreciates the lady's business, she is their paying guest. So I don't think anyone would be interested in hearing what the 'rat' had to say :)

To all the guys who complain about screening practices.......people like this loon is why we do it :)

This is absolutely true. But some unwinnable wars are worth fighting anyway, and this is most certainly one of them. Victory will never be declared, but at least we can say we fought.

Further to Samantha's post, the solicitation laws really are addressing "public nuisance". It's important to remember that the client can be charged with solicitation in addition to the service provider. Women can find themselves being solicited by men while walking down the street in an area used for street prostitution. This can be embarrassing, uncomfortable or threatening depending upon the circumstances. This is one of the public behaviours that the solicitation laws are designed to address.

I'll have to answer a weaselly "it depends": on who you're talking to, when you happen to catch them, and what acts you're talking about. I don't rob banks because I perceive the harm it would do, and because I wouldn't want other people to rob me; so yeah, in that case it's my own convictions. But I'm certain there are some people who would love to rob banks, but stop only because they don't think they can get away with it. So for them, the same choice is one of simple fear and obedience. I had to think for a while to come up with anything I don't do only because the law forbids it. Best example I could come up with was the speed I drive on the highway; on the open road between here and Toronto I'll usually go just a hair under 120. I could go faster safely; but the fines start to get silly, and you can never really predict where the cops might be. So my behaviour in this case isn't completely governed by law, but it is curbed. That said, if I had some kind of emergency the equation would change and I'd go however fast I needed to. So yeah, for me it depends on what we're talking about. Related note: I've often thought that "you know people by the rules they break." Anyone can just follow all of the rules, and you could never tell if they were behaving that way because that's what they wanted to do, or because they were just obedient and restraining their underlying nature. But when someone breaks a rule (in this case law), they've made a clear decision and so you're more likely to be seeing the "real" them. Those actions provide more valuable insight into their character. (Though even here I can think of exceptions.) Maybe more topically: how many clients here would still be seeing SPs if they lived in the States and it was illegal? Would they see them as often? Would they post on CERB as freely...?

I have never heard of this kind of blackmail really. Usually blackmail is one of outing you with your ads. It is wise when you are starting out, not to show your face in pic's and hide tattoos or recognizable jewelry. I do not think the cops would be interested in such a thing, unless you are a minor, or involved with drugs, pimps or any other shady activities. Even in those cases(expect minors) usually the cops will take time to build a case. Dont think they would jump on hersay. I agree with Cat, perhaps starting off with an agency till you learn more about the biz is a good idea. If you want to do INDY, then really do your homework so that you can not so easily be manipulated into this kind of scenario. If you are screening your clients well, I do not for see clients wanting to get messed up with all of this. Being a new SP you may want your clients to provide references to ease your mind.

Looks like it's time for a refresher on the law, courtesy of Breaking Bad. According to this extraordinarily skinny would-be meth buyer, "if you ask a cop if he's a cop, he's, like, obligated to tell you. It's in the Constitution." [of America]. But make sure you ask it, like, official. Let's see how that works out for Badger. (I'll seize any opportunity to post a clip from the best tv show ever made!)

I need my head read to comment on this, but hell, somedays I just need help. Just to be clear I am not condoning the behaviour of the men, and I don't want to debate that point. First off the way I read the OP's message, was not so much to watch out they are busting pedo's, but that LE was using BP etc to run a sting. In this case they were after people paying for sex with someone under 18, but his final comment warns people to make sure that the person you are talking to is 18. I think the fear was that they are using escort ads as bait to catch people. The ads didn't say "16 Year old", that was only revealed in communications later. And yes, they should have walked away. In this case the sting was underage girls, but it could just as easily have been anything else considered illegal. Whether or not that is plausible is another matter, but I think he thought it was and was warning folks who use BP etc. He was a bit ham-fisted about it, but I don't think he was condoning seeing 16 year old escorts. The second issue is the age of consent debate. The age of consent in this country is 16. (it was only just raised from 14). That means, any personal moral issues aside, any person 16 years of age or older can have sex with anyone else regardless of the age. There are certain exceptions that all fall under the category of "exploitation". Despite peoples feelings on the issue, a 50 year old can sleep with a 16 year old legally, with no problems, provided the 50 year old does not hold a position of authority, is not using coercion, or does not pay them. That is the law plain and simple. Those acts are all listed as exploitation. So be aware that in this law the government classes "prostitution" as exploitation. I think there are many people on this board who would have issue with that if that generalization was applied to anyone over the age of 18. As for the luring. If these guys were meeting these girls in Justin Bieber fan-girl sites, or some other place, deliberately targetting them, then yeah I would say they were luring. But in this case they answered an ad, placed in an escort forum, where the advertisers are all supposed to be over 18. Their crime was too continue to talk after finding out the ad was allegedly for a 16 year old. Again, I don't condone the behaviour. I personally think the guys should have ran or reported the ad when it came out the "bait" was only 16 years old.

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Founded to bring awareness to and to help stop bullying. Do you think there has been progress? If not what more do you think can be done to stop it?

So I've read the laws concerning protistution over and over but still fail to get gist of the soliciting end. Are we or are we not soliciting when we place our ads inviting gentlemen to come and enjoy "this and that" ?Also is it a bad idea do you think to have on a web page services provided and rates? Thanks in advance to those who kindly reply:icon_biggrin:

I like RG because he is a font of wisdom as well as a genuine human being. At a time when the world seems full of internet idiots and posers RG is a refreshing change.

Having been on the receiving end of your oral skills all I can say is... GotDammit!!!!

I have to wonder about all these beliefs people have about being blackmailed in this lifestyle. I've read guys' concerns over SPs using verification information to blackmail them (reporting them to their wife) and now a SP would risk being outted by a client/blackmailer to the police unless she does what the client/blackmailer says. Long and short of this, most of us, both ladies and gentlemen are not rich. We have bills to pay, rent/mortgage/car payments/raising kids etc etc etc. For the guys, this lifestyle is done on disposable income. And it may appear that based on hourly rates a lady charges, she should be rich. But she doesn't work a forty hour work week, she only gets paid for the hours she sees a client. Not to mention some of that money goes into running her business...it isn't 100% profit I'm only saying this because in reality clients/SP's for the most part aren't rolling in dough and cash cows for blackmailers...so why worry Second, if someone threatened to out you, tell them go ahead...you'll only be a victim of blackmail if you let a blackmailer blackmail you. If they see you won't let yourself be blackmailed, they lose all leverage RG

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To me, soliciting is when the SP directly contacts a gentleman asking him if he would like to have an encounter. Advertising on the other hand, the SP is letting potential clients know of that she is a SP and her rates etc. She isn't soliciting because her ad would only be placed in the section dealing with escorts (if BP/CL) or on sites such as CERB. And gentlemen are on those sites in the first place looking for companionship. They wouldn't be there unless they wanted to meet a professional companion to begin with. Gentlemen seeking companionship would see a lady's ad amongst all ladies ads and contact them to decide who to see. I guess the difference is the ad lets a gentleman know of a lady so he can contact her where as soliciting is a lady targetting a specific gentleman for an encounter. An awkwardly worded rambling LOL RG

It all depends on what the ads say. Escorts advertise that they are charging for their time and companionship because that is legal. They don't directly offer sexual services, as that is soliciting for the purposes of prostitution. So yes, an ad can be soliciting if it mentions sexual services. On a board like this I don't think their is much of an issue, even though an argument could be made that it is soliciting. But I don't think you will ever see anybody advertising BBBJ, FS, CIM in the Sun. ;)

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I think morals definitely govern me in this business.. Having an incall puts me in the grey area of the law. And while I know this, being relatively low volume makes me feel safe from the law, since I don't attract unnecessary attention, am discreet, no drugs etc.. I do pay attention to laws, but my decisions and choices in this industry, I base on my own morals or feelings on things. I also believe that others' morals govern us. While I do agree that we need to be discreet, as the law essentially says, I think that alot of what Keeps the legal debates going, is the moral issues that onlookers have with our profession. Its taboo and i think that the combination of those who dont understand the business, and the morals of those persons, also tie in with the laws. As far as governing us, I think it should come down to basic womens (human) rights, and our own decisions, provided we're being and acting safely. At the end of of the day, I need to be happy/comfortable with the choices I've made, the laws don't tend help with that. while I do see the well intent of some laws of us (no car date, public solicitation), I mainly feel our choices should be governed by us, and our personal morals, rather than a few paragraphs written by people with no understanding of what this industry is about

If that is a real concern my only advice is to employ a good verification system to screen your clients/potential clients Really any guy who is going to blackmail as you suggest would run the risk of exposing himself too The reality of this lifestyle is men seek out ladies for companionship This idea of blackmail seems far out, as much as the idea that ladies would use verificaction to blackmail clients A morning rambling RG

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While the age was not in the original ad, these guys absolutely knew she was underage. I replied to the ad, and the first sentence of the response was "Hi, I'm Chrissy. I'm 16 years old...." I immediately emailed the BP abuse account and also contacted crimestoppers.

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I like Lee Richards because he likes to buy the ladies at the socials drinks even though he has yet to attend one.

For me, this is what I have experienced. I am a very attractive woman who is always dressed very nicely and also groomed the same. In my 9-5 career-I am someone with a very strong work ethic. I always go the extra mile-always obtain top notch references, have strong experience in a variety of sectors, plus I also have the maturity that ensures that I am there for the long haul, looking to establish a solid career by being dependable and efficient. IMHO, I would think thats what an exec would want for his assisant. Many times , for the past few years-I have obtained many ineterviews for jobs-that excuse my arrogance, but were perfect for me, my skills and personality too. However, once I arrive to the interview-there would be a pool of us ladies, waiting to be interviewed, and once the interviewer opens the door to call in the candidates-they start to give us the total look over from head to toe. You see many of these interviews, consisted of men who were basically only interested in having an assistant who fit their idea of hot. Forget the skills, attitude or experience. I personally feel that I have lost out on quite a few jobs due to my appearance-but at the sametime, they did me a favour because I would have a hard time working for people like that. Whenever I go to a bar-probably cause people are drinking-and just plain stupid-I always get at least one insult, regarding my appearance-because some loser in the bar thinks its so important for me to know that I am not his type-meanwhile the person who is spewing stupid shit is usually someone who I would not even touch with a ten foot pole-so whatevs... Within this business-I have been shunned a little bit-and I dont mean cause certain men wont see me due to my size. I am not referring to this -I am not trying to change anyones mind about what they like ;) What I mean about that is that there are quite a few guys who I see on occassion and regularly that would NEVER let other hobbiests know that they see me and like me too. Yes there are plenty of ladies who fit the bbw image on this site and other sites too, but very very few individuals will fess up to liking us. I realize the return visits are imperative for my business, but I gotta say nothing stings more than when you see one of the guys that you spend time with always make it a point to rec the ladies who are no more than 130 lbs, but never you...ouchy -wouchy ;) But hey-I deal :boobies:....could be alot worse ;) I really love the way I look-and do not have any desire to be what is usually considered hot. I love my giant breasts-my tummy, heavy bottom and thick thighs and will not change that for ANYBODY...that is what is most important!

A few others I can't get tired of listening to - Guns N' Roses - November Rain Prince - Purple Rain The Cars - Who's Gonna Drive You Home