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Hi, just wanted to know what SP's or MA's mean by saying that they are open minded in their ad's. Is this a code word for maybe getting extra's? What do you hobbyist expect when you see the words "open minded" in a MA or SP's ad? Just wanted your opinion or any of your experiences where you have met a "open minded" woman.

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Rest assured, gentlemen, that most of us rarely ride around in stretch limousines and when we do, they're far more likely to have been provided by clients than to be hired by us. It would be highly unprofessional to arrive at a private residence in a stretch limo: it would compromise the client's privacy. Those cars attract a great deal of attention. Moreover, no driver who is experienced in working with us would park such a thing outside the client's home. Safety, discretion and absolute confidentiality are non-negotiable in our line of work.

I pretty much only receive at my place, and never had to worry about anything. It should not be more difficult, nor more worrysome, than going to visit on an incall if you discuss it with a reputable lady. In these cases, nosy neignbors or not, it just looks like someone is visiting you.

Being a hobbyist who almost exclusively opts for outcalls, I see no problem with it. As long as you stick to reputable and recommended ladies, you should have no issues. If you're a bit apprehensive, I'd suggest you book an upscale hotel room for your first appointment with them. That way, you can meet someone new on a neutral turf before inviting them to your residence. I did that for many years, with much success.

I have always thought that "open minded" meant non-judgmental. So, you could be open in asking about something a little off the conventional, "vanilla" sexual map. It didn't guarantee she'd say yes, but it does mean she wouldn't give you a hard time about the request. Lots of guys have quirks and fetishes and offbeat interests they might be yearning to pursue but nervous to ask about. To me, open-minded means "don't be afraid to ask". I *don't* think open-minded means "willing to renegotiate my stated boundaries", or secretly open to doing something unsafe.

Here is another thread on this for extra value... http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=142785 As has been said, the best way to know what it specifically means to a provider is to ask. In general terms, to me (YMMV) open minded means that you are open to different aspects of sensuality and sexuality AND you are also open to discussing non mentioned aspects in a respectable non-judgmental way. Your discussions are safe and could potentially lead to more based on the specific SP.

This is key advice when looking for a compatible playmate! Of the above recommended ladies you have a wide variety. Besides services offered you have a full spectrum between Lola (petite, dark haired and leans to the submissive side of things) while Zoe (tall - almost Amazonian!, amazing curly blonde hair, augmented bust and some very fun piercings). Both great great girls! That said for a first timer I'd chose the newly back on the scene Anna Sweets! Beautiful, all natural curvy with a passion that is intoxicating.

In my experience "open-minded" just like "GFE" means nothing. In this business many ladies will just use the "phrase of the day" in their ad's to catch a potential clients attention. NEVER make any assumptions in this business about what anything written in ad's mean. Always, communicate directly with the lady and express what you desire from your encounter and confirm that what you desire is what she provides and is comfortable with. If you choose to just take ad's at face value you might be setting yourself up for disappointment. Just as an example, a while ago I visited with a lady, last minute, "spur of the moment" and she advertised as both "GFE and open-minded". When I go there she confirmed after we entered the room that, there was no kissing, no anal play, and the service was completely safe. I could live with that so we continued. It was a completely mechanical, detached, zero eye contact session. In fact she even seemed a little put out that I lasted so long and said, "can you just cum already". LOL. Now I know for a fact that I am a fantastic client with a YMMV factor that is very high but in this case although she advertised as both open-minded and GFE I would classify my mileage factor as very low. Perhaps she was just having a bad day who knows. However, I learned that I'll never do "last minute" spur of the moment again. I'll always want to have ample opportunity to chat with the lady and convey to her what I like to experience in my sessions and have her explicitly confirm that she also enjoys all the same things from a session as I do. Communicate, communicate, communicate! FYI, you might be able to tell but I haven't had my morning coffee yet and I'm still a little short on the trigger.

Some SP's may have a specific menu or routine and don't deviate from that, where as open minded is just that, they're open to discussing something you might want? It is going to be different for each provider. Best way is to ask her!

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YAYYY!! :) I LOVE MJ! Huge fan here. :biggrin: My pops introduced him to me when I was very young, and I have been a fan ever since. I always remember him raving about how MJ was "the best dancer in the world" - lol. :) When I was just old enough, we rented a "laser disc" of the Thriller music video from the Ottawa Public Library, and I thought it was the coolest thing in existence. The first album I listened to was a copied cassette tape of . I think I listened to it a thousand times. Then a few years later I got a CD of "Thriller" and that was just as awesome. It's pretty impossible for me to choose a favourite song... and it's changed a dozen times over the years, but I think right now it's a toss up between and I still listen to his music all the time, but it's been years since I watched the music videos... I am loving rewatching them now! :) Thanks for posting Cleo! :) RIP The King of Pop!!

I have to say you are mistaken my dear. If you have a lady in the mood, size does not matter - at least in my case. I have had very, very enjoyable anal sex with cocks of all sizes - including some of the largest ones I've encountered. In fact, I once suggested anal to a very large man a while back - to see if I could do it. And FUCK YES I did, and ohhhh the orgasms :D However, if you walk into a session, pull an arm out of your pants, and expect to be able to stick it into my ass with no foreplay, then forget it. But once the juices are flowing... size is irrelevant.

http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/friend-reacts-to-escort-deaths/16auwpmbb?from=en-ca-infopane RG

Many ladies offer incalls out of their homes, and follow safety protocols, so I don't see why they shouldn't do this. I know some women who have happily been doing it for years. As for gentlemen inviting SPs to their home, I have been trusted to do so on many occasions. There have been multiple circumstances: sometimes it's with a gentlemen I have met previously at my incall, so he's built up the trust; sometimes it's with a new client, but we've emailed back and forth significantly, so he's built up the comfort level; and, I've even been invited to someone's home for our very first meeting after our first communication. I delete the address information as soon as I'm gone, so even if I'm invited back, I need the info again. I don't keep my clients personal information (unless I'm asked to, which has happened). And I do of course have a safety call who knows where I am, and when I should leave. Now, I once was invited to a man's home during our first text conversation. He wanted me to go to his home, in the outskirts of Ottawa, for a home-cooked meal. I denied this request. Going to a secluded area, for a meal cooked by a man I'd never met = RED FLAGS. I told him I was happy to join him for dinner if he came to me, and we went to a restaurant. He declined. Which made me feel happy I had said no. When you've been in the business a while, and I'm also assuming when you've been a hobbiest for a while, your gut does a fairly good job of telling you when you should say yes, or when you should say no. Mine hasn't led me astray yet!

I am not going to choose one particular oon or even a couple........ Each lady writes what she thinks she likes and puts herself out there with every word. Posted via Mobile Device

Although I normally have outcalls to my hotels, I see reputable ladies. Ladies I have no issue being seen in public with (whether they want to be seen with me, well that's another story ;-) LOL) Long story short, except for logistics of it...I live in smalltown Ontario, I would have no issues trust and discretion wise having a lady to my place My trust level with the ladies I see now so high should, hypothetically speaking I need someone to hold my wallet (cw credit card & cash) I trust the ladies implicitly A evening rambling RG

Being an outcall only hobbyist for 5 years I would say it is wise if you do your research and you are selective who you are inviting. This is the only legal way to have a paid date (unless you wish to pay $150 for a hotel on the top of donation). No major issues so far. Only on one occasion I was stalked but that was a dancer. Remember you are having total strangers in the privacy of your home where you live and not everybody engaged in this industry is safe. So be very selective and ask lots of questions before inviting. It also depends on the environment that you live. My building is quiet and people with class who mind their own business. They have seen me plenty of times with different visiting guests and either assumed they are my GFs or mind their own business. Not same for all especially those living in noisy neighborhoods or have nosy neighbors, In addition, since outcalls are legal both sides are safer in my view since in case of any wrongdoing, like robbery, pimp harassment (well try not to call anyone with pimp), assault.... either side can call the police. Which brings me to another legal discussion that decriminalization (of bawdy houses, guards and drivers) makes the hobby safer for everyone but that is another topic and I don't wish to hijack the thread.

I have done outcalls in the past and will continue to do them just as long as I get proper verification. I also check in with someone before and after while I'm on an outcall. As long as you know the SP is reputable and discrete in her behaviour and how she dresses, you should be fine. When I first started out with an agency, I would get the driver to drop me off a few houses down so no one would see a car pulling up. I also dressed tastefully so I wouldn't draw any attention to myself.

I plan to add a FAQ area on Lyla for posting etiquette and I wanted to ask our seasoned members if they have anything to add before I post it. Posting etiquette (Some for clients, some for providers, some for both) 1 ) Do not discuss providers' rates (unless you are the provider or agency doing the posting) 2 ) Do not comment on a service providers rates being too expensive or cheap! 3 ) Do not discuss street walkers 4 ) Please use discretion! Do not discuss drug use, illegal activities, violent acts and anything that would bring unwanted attention to someone, some business or our community here on Lyla. If you are aware of a illegal activity taking place you should contact the police (not post it here) as posting it here brings unwanted attention to Lyla! 5 ) Do not fight or flame anyone (this includes flaming the lurkers or low post count guys and includes fighting with each other in the PM system) 6 ) Do not spread rumors! 7 ) If you have a problem with another member bring it to the attention of the mod and DO NOT post about it in public. 8 ) Do not post a provider's personal info such as addresses or share this info in a PM unless you are the provider. You risk her safety if you do this! 9 ) Do not ask for prices of providers from other members (you should ask them directly) 10 ) Before you post a recommendation for a provider you should ask her for permission and you should ask her for permission to put one of her photos on the recommendation as well. 11 ) Do not post ads to sell products on the site (free ads are for sex workers, massage spas, etc... not toys, web design, etc...) If you wish to promote a different product or service PM the mod first as we may have banners available. 12 ) Do not post links to porn sites 13 ) Do not use the site to complain about a service provider or post negative reviews! 14 ) Keep the site positive and fun! If you have an issue before posting it take a breath and think "Is it a positive contribution to the site?" if the answer is no... it's most likely not welcome! Additional Comments: If you disagree with a decision a moderator has made, you can PM one of us about it (not post publicly about it).

I just joined this forum and somewhat confused, what constitutes a post? Is there a difference with communication with other members or posting a new "thread" as I am now and this 5 days 5 posts, do I have to do 5 new threads? I'm genuinely interested in participating and interacting in this forum and want to start off on the right foot.

I like NotchJ cause he has great taste in filthy pictures. You, sir, are a master! I also like the fact that Notch is also a stalwart pillar of our little community.

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Hands down, Midnight Massage-Tracie- her ads are seductive, interesting, creative and Smart! Anything she writes is an interesting and creative read imo:) Thanks Tracie:)

How about some lines from the Star Wars movies taken out of context: --"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" --"Luke, at that speed do you think you'll be able to pull out in time?" --"In time you will learn to call me 'master'." --"Pull out! You're not doing any good back there!" --"Look at the size of that thing!" --"Get in there, you big furry oaf! I don't care what you smell!" --"Back door, huh? Good idea."

I've always pondered this question too, and from my observation take it as a highly subjective term, being some girls advertise they are 'open minded' but don't even kiss!! ..while others swing from the chandeliers with reckless abandon ;-) PS: Great answer as always Penny :-)

From Cleo Catra's latest album:

Mine is that moment afterwards where we are lying beside each other catching our breath. I close my eyes and let my senses go into overdrive. I feel her warm soft skin up against mine. With our arms wrapped around each other. It's as if I'm feeding off of her energy. I feel all warm and my mind and thought begin to slow along with my breath. With every exhale she make I can hear and feel, which send a light shiver down my back and begin to get small goosebumps. I can feel a light tinkling feeling inside my head. All my worries and stress melt away as I nothing in the world is greater than this moment. I begin to remember what it feels like to be alive and loved. As the blood flow through my body its almost as if I'm being striped of all the negative stuff and being healed. The power of this intimacy is so strong and soothing I try to savour it for as long as I can.

This response is so freakin' good!! :) That's right honey, looks like you're gonna have a big quota to fill, and you sound like a man up to the task. oxox, Anna

O is for Open to New Experiences...Will try Something at least 3 times to see if I like it. ;)

Those goodies are the ones that keep me adicted to the Socials lol xoxox Yummi tasting them already!!!

Cleo you're so damn sexy an erotic that the next time I am in Ottawa, I'll have to see if we can make the anal magic!

What's you're Kinky Kraving ?...Let me know so I can please you just as your heart desires. Come enjoy pure euphoria with me...and bring you places you've never been :wink: I want to please you...and you can always return the favor my pleasing me. xox Im in the west and east this week so look out for me and pre book now :wink: Also PM me to find out to be my VIP today ! Wednesday 11-6 (West) Thursday 4-10 (west) Sunday 4-10 (west) Not a Member? Call 613-523-6199 to find out how easy it is to become one !

You stole one of my favs Cleo! I have to throw it in because no one else has yet, not only the song but the production that went into the video and the huge following it had...Thriller!!!! Definitely helped shape the music industry. Everyone loves to jam out to MJ. Thanks for the thread Cleo!

It depends if you are looking for something specific? Or certain type? Certain age? etc Agreed.

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Yes, but if you have a thick cock then anal fun is pretty much out of the question as ladies don't want to take the size and I can understand that as it would probably hurt! I do love playing with their ass when I am taking them from behind! It is so hot!

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Great conversation, ladies and gents :) I love the viewpoints. For me, anal is a long term goal of mine. :) hehehe. Other people have long term goals like to learn a new language or to travel to a certain country... One of mine is to be able to get fucked in the bum. Tee hee :) I have experimented in the area, and when I am feeling good and really in the mood for it, I really enjoy the feelings and sensations there. Occasionally when I am feeling extra naughty, I use a small anal toy like this one when I masturbate: I can get going really good with it, and it gives me super intense awesome orgasms. And for me, it is definitely the physical feeling, but it is also very much the naughty aspect, and the fact that it is considered a "forbidden" area. I have tried full-on anal sex a few times with a former long term partner, but for various reasons, it just has never worked out well... yet. I am well educated about it and know all about how to do it, etc... I just simply have not gotten there yet. It's a slow process for me. I'd really like to get more comfortable with exploring anal pleasure on a partner as well; including strap on and prostate massage, both of which I have quite limited experience with. Admittedly, it makes me a bit nervous, but also very curious and I would love to bring pleasure to those willing partners in a new way... when I am ready. My sexuality is a lifelong journey, so I am in no real rush. I think about anal in the same way that I think about many other sexual experiences; as something to look forward to enjoying and exploring more; something to continue experimenting with and pushing my own boundaries. I also have fantasies about getting double penetrated like a naughty little slut someday as well. :)

Hmmm..... How do I word this ? ........ I am a virgin !!!! Well I mean I don't speak Greek..... but I am going to visit Greece before I die and check this all out and learn the language ... Me and my penis like to travel ;)

Funny that you have that opinion of hobbyists. I find the same holds true for many ladies. I do not know how many times I have read a post or looked at pictures and liked what I read or saw, only to have to dredge through the person's posting history to figure out if we are in the same city. The same holds true for many websites. With the anonymity of websites and e-mail addresses, you could be anywhere on the planet. For reasons why hobbyists are the way they are, as always I agree with Gabby's insightful thoughts and knowledge.

I agree 100% but for some ladies it really is a matter of preference and she should be allowed to make any decision she wishes when sharing herself in an intimate manner :)

Cuddling, kissing and hugging, for me is the whole reason for me seeing these lovely ladies. That sort of intimacy, is so therapeutic for me. Happy ending or getting off is secondary. Even if its only for a moment or its temporary, but when engaged in theses activities it provides me a sense of love, which for me is one of my needs I require. For someone who has been diagnosed with depression this is something I found clear my mind and keep me happy even if its for a moment. Reminding me and giving me hope when I'm really down that I can still feel good, and these sad feelings will eventual pass. Oh and on a side note this gets me off. Sex for me is just as much psychological as it is physical I have to feel the intimacy. Kinda why pse ain't for me cause I'll pass out from exhaustion before I orgasm.

From Chantal Summers latest album:

Ladies ad's are or should reveal part of their personality. Therefore my belief, is that the ad's that I review, are all written very well and certainly arouse my attention. All ladies do a excellent job of grabbing our attention. Continue on ladies! You've ALL sparked my interest.

I don't visit gentlemen in their homes unless I know them very well and know that they live alone. Even then, I did have a bad experience one time with a trusted client in his home. That made me reluctant to do outcalls to private residences for quite awhile. The only exception I make is if the client is disabled. My home is not wheelchair accessible. I have had several disabled clients over the years and enjoyed my time with them a great deal. Each of them was very different from the rest. All of them required round-the-clock care, and their caregivers were solid professionals who never interfered with anything.

This is a very common thing with the ladies... Always looking for the "Reason" the business gets slow at times and always looking for answers as to why they get no shows and cancellation more at different times of the year. Most NO SHOWS can be stopped by screening your calls properly. Use the Caller ID and CALL BACK the number to verify it. Most guys will not pull a NO SHOW on someone without having the decency to call and properly cancel if you have their number. They know that come appointment time one very upset SP is going to give them a call asking WTF! It's not 100% but it sure helps for those who screen calls. It also makes the call a little more safer as that phone number is now a connection between the guy and the lady... I doubt someone dangerous is going to want to leave a number that can be traced back to them. Most of the ladies look for reasons when things are slow. I guess most of us do that when the business we are in takes a drop in sales/traffic/work load/etc.... You can spend a good portion of your day trying to figure this one out but it's not really worth the effort. It's WAY easier to just plan for these lows (Put some money aside for the slow periods) and just accept that this is part of EVERY business and it will happen. Stop stressing out and trying to point a finger at what you think is causing the slowness as your just going to convince yourself of something that is probably not correct. We have been tracking patterns in this industry since 1996 and the answer for this is... (Drum roll please)... It has no pattern EXCEPT for a few obvious LOW spots. 1) The end of Aug is SLOW every year! (Kids out of school, getting ready to go back to school, family summer vacations, etc...) This is the most popular summer weekend in the tourist industry!! 2) 1 week before and 1 week after Xmass (No need to explain this one right?) New years day too? NOT... 3) January/February for 2 weeks every year (We sum this up to winter blues and getting your credit card statements from Xmass! but we never know what two weeks it will be but for sure 2 weeks around this time it does drop... one year we did not see this and come April we saw a real low drop for 2 weeks and that was obvious weather patterns (Long winter/early spring ... warm winter/cold spring etc...) it does effect this business and you never know when this is coming exactly... so just put some cash aside for these times. 4) First nice weekend of spring (A lot of the ladies take this time off too) 5) Thanksgiving, Easter, Valentines, long weekends, really large sporting events (etc)... they also effect the business. The rest has NO identifiable pattern. You can try to blame it on the economy as a low economy brings more people into this business causing more competition and the overall amount of "Recreational money" the guys have gets a lot smaller so yes the economy does effect it but a low economy BUT it also brings more guys (New guys) in to the mix as well so it's not hit as hard as one would assume. Remember money and sex are the two big things couples fight about... When the economy drops and the money gets tight the stress levels go up, the fighting between couples goes up and the sex stops!! FACT OF LIFE... and I hate to admit it but that is good for this business for all you ladies!! When economy starts to get good again business will decrease a little at first! It's OPPOSITE of what everyone ASSUMES! As for NO SHOWS... This time of year it will obviously be higher. Kids are still home from school, Family vacations, relatives coming for visits, back to school shopping, etc.. etc... and all those people taking time OFF work for family vacations makes other people have to work more (Overtime to cover shifts, higher work loads, etc) it's all relevant.... A lot of LAST MINUTE things come up this time of the year for the "Family Man" and well... kids and family (for most people) come first so recreational visits take a back seat so stuff will get canceled more this time of year. Picture this... The guy is all ready to come see the lady he has chosen and the door bell rings and it's his brother or uncle or who knows who just "DROPS BY" for a visit... URH!? Probably with his annoying kids and wife... (Many of us have been in similar situations) This happens EVERY YEAR... Come September 17th (Or around that time) once the kids are back in school and the routine is back... things will pick up. Summer sucks as a lot more things can get in the way or throw a guys schedule off. Don't spend all your time looking for reasons why the business slows down.... it happens to EVERY PROVIDER & EVERY BUSINESS ... It can not be busy 100% of the time and it does take a little planning and anticipation.