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I'm dropping into the middle of an ongoing conversation here, but I wanted to pick up on this point in particular. Sex is an enormously powerful psychological thing, with such deep and unpredictable subconscious roots that maybe it's not surprising that people can have... issues about it. Among the many things sex can be are a) a demonstration of one's power, by which I mean "the means to obtain a thing that's desired," and b) a way to achieve a unique kind of personal validation. Problem is, it also comes with the built-in possibility of the opposite should sex goes wrong: a sense of powerlessness, failure, and rejection, each as overwhelming as one's sexual desire is in the first place. Insecure people will use sex to achieve those positive rewards, and can react very badly indeed if things look like they might go the other way. And it can be very hard (sometimes impossible) to tell ahead of time who might have a hidden agenda and trigger. This is one of the things that I imagine would worry me the most about being an SP; that you might not know until it's too late, and the two of you are physically close and compromised, before you discover there's something nasty going on. And no matter how well equipped you are to handle this once it arises, it's at very minimum going to be really unpleasant to deal with. For that reason, it makes perfect sense to me that an SP's spidey-senses would be scanning the communication and other behaviour leading up to an encounter for clues about a client, even for seemingly trivial things that could just be mistakes, but... might not. And yes, any kind of petty social power play -- perfunctory or disdainful messages, getting all cat-and-mouse about following rules to test boundaries -- would be a definite flag. Of course that analysis is easier to do when speaking to someone, and subject to the usual limitations when interpreting text alone. Tough job. I know I couldn't do it.

Just came back from an amazing time with Passion Vitto and Alexxandria-As for the details, well, gentlemen you simply need to arrange some time with them and find out for yourself. My only regret was not booking 2 hours with these ladies who are truly smoking hot with hard bodies.... Can't wait to do this again!!! K

I think some points are getting mixed up here... First impressions: When I receive emails with "how much", "u avail" and nothing else (not even an ? at the end lol), right off the bat that person is showing me that we are not compatible in many ways (I can go into details via PM if you'd like). From experience I can assure you that my best encounters and the patrons I enjoy the most have always been the ones who took the time to get to know me a little before our first encounter and my website was part of that process. They also weren't afraid of using more than 2 words (and punctuation) when they introduced themselves. Just to give you a simple example from your side; if a lady chooses to advertise in the "hey boyz wanna cum over im horney i wanna fuck" way will she attract the same gentlemen as if she were to advertise her message using a more subtle way (including proper grammar lol)? I can tell you the answer is a definite no. Now do a reverse with what I said... Besides, you have to remember that we receive many emails a day/week and some emails are just fantastic so it makes the selection process a lot easier ;) Reading my website for information I do believe that when a gentleman has taken the initiative to inform himself, at least read the basics on my site, that it shows some kind of interest. I also do not believe that because he doesn't take the time to read the basic info that he will automatically not follow instructions/respect boundaries during our date... I think it only shows a little laziness on his part ;) With that said, when a gentleman contacts me to find out about my donation and has taken the time to say "Hi Gabby, I would like to spend some time with you in the near future, I was thinking maybe next Tuesday. What would your donation be for a 3 hour encounter in Montreal", I will gladly answer him directly and not send him back to my website. You see the difference in approach from the "hey u avail"? The only emails I will not answer are the one liners, the rude ones and disrespectful ones. That's pretty much standard with all the ladies ;) For a laugh, you can check out one of my old ads addressing the subject ;) Following directions before and during an encounter It will be easier for me to give you an example or two; when I say, "please do not call me and only text me to confirm your number" and the gentleman decides to go against my direct and clear instructions and he decides that he wants to call me instead (see my post on page 1), red flags go up because it shows me that already, there is a "power struggle" going on. Let's pretend I decide to meet with him anyway... If I say please enter by the front door only (it could be at my incall or it could be pun intended ;)) because the back door is not to be used, will he indeed follow my instructions/directions and respect my boundaries or will he attempt to use the back door anyway? Hard to tell. Do I want to chance it? No. Indeed, some will out of curiosity to see if the paint is still wet lol but in this lifestyle, I do not want to take the risk of putting up that sign and having a potential client touch it anyway when he has already exhibited signs that he can't follow instructions. Blah, this turned out much longer than I wanted it to be.

Hi cerbie, In all fairness to Chloe, I too believe this to be genuine and your post as well. Why not get the ball rolling and start an official reco thread for Chloe, you have enough posts to start a thread. Just my thoughts and you seem to enjoy her and her companionship! You can start a new recommendation thread here, if you like and choose: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=162 Hugs, Lexy

Flirt and squirt?

I'm going to have to disagree with this one, especially if the relationship involves sex. I know that many hobbiests are at the other end of the spectrum, but I'm a firm believer that my lover(s) should know the extent of my involvement with others and the risks that may extend to them because of that, even though safer sex is practiced. You don't necessarily have to come out as an escort; many folks nowadays are engaging in poly or non-exclusive relationships, so it has become a little more mainstream than it was previously. One possibility is to tell potential partners that you are not ready for a monogamous/exclusive relationship at this point, and see how the relationship develops from there.

My last post on this thread as I think everything has been covered so far... "Some of us may not have University and our grammar skills may not be up to what the more educated men's style of writing is. I myself would fall into that category. You may find yourself more attracted to the man who is well educated and knows proper grammar to use. I see nothing wrong with that actually. " And from what I can tell, you did just fine without one :) (as many other people do); you didn't need a university degree to become the nice gentleman you are, a gentleman who also understands what respect and common courtesy is all about. Some things just can't be learned in school... "I am sure you can pick and choose your suitors as all the wonderful cerb ladies can do. Just keep in mind that we are not ALL well educated." I actually do not care if my patrons (or potential ones) have a university degree or not. I do not care if there are mistakes in the text and if the grammar is perfect or not. What I care about is being contacted in a friendly polite way and exchanging a few pleasant emails to set the tone before a first time get together. It doesn't take a university degree or a college or high school degree to say "Hi, how are you? I am interested in spending time with you. Could you provide me with more information in regards to xyz. Thank you." "I agree no one, no matter what their education should ever be rude or disrespectful" See, those one liners "u avail", "cim? greek?" "how much", etc. are just plain rude and to a point, are disrespectful for many ladies. I am certainly not the only one who feels that way. "There are men out there that wouldn't mind that approach at all and may actually be turned on by it. I am not saying I am one of them, then again on a particular day and feeling in a certain mood, one never knows. :wink:" Yes, some men will enjoy the more direct approach and the text like messaging lingo. Some won't at all mostly because of the lingo used. Same for SPs. Some will put up with the "u avail now" and a large majority won't. As you already figured out, I am part of the majority ;) *Just so there is no misinterpretation, I find the direct approach can sometimes be realllly sexy even though I prefer to be a little bite more vague with my descriptions. To each their own. "I've been asked to text. The problem with that is my phone isn't set up for text. Luckily for me I was still able to chat with the lady from my computer to explain the situation or she may have thought there was a power struggle going on. Where it was just a simple case that I wasn't able to text." The texting example was just an example to make a point and I agree and understand that texting is not for everyone; when the gentleman takes the time to explain his situation, I am positive that all ladies will find other ways to accommodate a particular situation or request. Not being able to do something is not the same as not wanting to do something and blatantly disregarding instructions and do as you wish. Again, I don't mean you, HalifaxMan, it's just a general comment. "I had some very good workers who couldn't follow written instruction very well, but just tell them verbally what they had to do, and you could count on it getting done." If a gentleman is not comfortable with emails and texting, all he has to do is inform the lady and I am positive she will be happy to schedule a phone call to discuss everything that needs to be. Communication is key to many things in life... Use it! Gabby xox

Good evening All! First a heartfelt THANK YOU to all of you who have shouted out in support, offered up prayers and good wishes over the last week and a half. I really really appreciate it! Just confirmed today that I am going to be evaluated at the University of Michigan, who has a cancer research facility beside "The Big House" their 110,000 seat football stadium. Good thing I am already a fan of the Wolverines! They are going to look at why the cancer cells are attacking the muscle structure and then discuss the situation with the folks at both Princess Margaret in Toronto and QCH here to determine next steps. So leaving for UofM on Friday! Back next Tuesday. Thanx again all. Tom TheLiquor

As some of you now know the cancer doc's are putting me through another bunch of tests. It appears that the cancer did spread to the muscles surrounding the arm pit (isn't that just stinky) and probably to the pectoral muscle. More alarming is that they think there is a strong possibility that the lymph nodes are now involved, not cool. So more tests, probes, needles, probably chemo, probably surgery is in my future. I want to thank all the kind folks that have sent me heartfelt messages of encouragement, it is really appreciated. I will try and continue to play whenever I don't feel like a bag of hammers (thank heaven that my tongue is still in working order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). Once the prodding and poking starts, my days as a two handed masseuse will be limited (again, thank heaven my tongue is still in working order!!!!!!). Will continue to share this journey until the majority tell me to shut up. If I don't make it to the Ottawa Social, have a drink for me!!! Cheers and Thanx tom theliquor

Open minded can mean many different things in this business. I would recommend getting in contact with the lady and getting some idea as to what may be on the menu. Remember though, just because it is on the menu does not mean it will be offered to you. It is always your millage may vary.

Good morning, I wanted to take a moment and say thank you for such a wonderful time in the "Capital". I enjoyed my visit and had such an exciting and interesting visit that I can honestly say I cant wait for my next one. I rather enjoyed catching up with old friends and making new memories, as well as the chance to finally put some faces to the names. (I am still in awe fo the beauty of the women in your city) You know how to throw a great Social event and thank you to the lovely gentleman who hosted it. It was a fun time, went by SO fast.... Till next time... xoxo Emily

A girl by the name of Alexis on BP stole my ad also using stolen pics ... She literally copied and pasted it exactly what I wrote ...Not impressed at all, what can I do do she can change it ?

Remember not to reveal info about a ladies REAL LIFE. You all expect privacy and discretion and I am sure the ladies also deserve the same. some of the comments here may be a little too much info.

I'm picking up the last novel in the Dexter series today entitled "Dexter's Final Cut". I'll probably start reading it after my current book. I'm hoping it'll be a better finale than the show. I have a feeling it will be. The novels have managed to retain that sense of fun and dark humour so I think it'll be a good read. Posted via Mobile Device

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Be strong, and may all the love and support from here help carry you through this next step, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

Yes rescue's are the best. I finally got over Jake's passing and have a new little furbaby. She is, however, a stubborn little thing. And yes she is a rescue. Unfurtunately (hehe) she is also a doggie-in-training. She still doesn't get the fact that she can't be involved in playdates. Jake would just sit quietly in the other room and not make a sound. Marley needs to learn this. :icon_rolleyes:

Congrats touch!... keep posting the pics and others.

2000 posts, 4000 boobies. ;.) Thanks for every single one of them.

Congratuations Touch on your 2000 post milestone Looking forward to your next 2000 contributions RG

HalifaxMan, I am quoting you but my comments are not directed at you or anyone in particular. My comments are made in a general sense... And how does that usually end? lol ;) Going back to the instructions they should've read in the first place, swearing and saying "why in the hell didn't I look at these in the first place" or finally stopping to ask for directions when they are long, long lost? I think I already know the answer to the above lol Joking aside, I think it's not so bad when a project takes 2-3 days to assemble instead of an hour or two with instructions but to take that same cavalier attitude and applying it to this "hobby" where discretion is one of the most important elements in this "hobby is just wrong and shows you don't care :( I don't think following a few simple instructions to insure discretion for both parties should be tossed aside just because, well, after all, it's the guy thing to do. Definitely! Not all men are the same and should not be painted with the same brush. That would be a huge mistake. I can tell you that, personally, there is a huge percentage of emails I do not answer because of what you mentioned. The "How much", "what ur rate", "u avail now" and so on is a huge turn off and I can only imagine what a rendez-vous would be like with a client like this... Not very inspiring lol I think Emily, WrinkledinTime and mrgreen said it best at the beginning of the thread:

You're in good hands Tom and you have so much positive love and support some could only wish for. You stay positive, be strong, fight and give all you have and those cancer cells hell. No backing down and throwing in the towel my friend. My heart, prayers are always with you and my spirit along your side cheering you on. I look forward to your update Tuesday. All my love and Support, Lexy

A one sentence statement asking for an introduction and the preferred method of contact is far from a long drawn out instructional booklet and I totally know what you mean by not lumping all gents in the same group and men with directions:icon_smile:. When you want to meet someone in your personal life or this industry, it is just common courtesy to say "Hello, I'm xxxx" and with a provider any questions that you may have. Common courtesy is becoming not so common with certain people. You read many complaints that a gent has gotten no response from a provider, could not following simple instructions be the answer? I have no idea but I'm sure there are more than one reason and answer to that question. When you've met and already know a provider, I myself don't mind a Hi Lexy, It's xxxx. Are you able to see me today or when you are you available next but that is because we have already built that rapport. Initial communication should in my opinion and how I run business, should have an introduction, nothing over the top, just a sign that the person is respectful and serious about possibly meeting me. Thank you HalifaxMan58 for you view and input, I love seeing the male side of things. Kisses, Lexy

I think this is an excellent suggestion!

For me Socks off always. For her it depends. if she's wearing the schoolgirl knee highs leave them on. ;) Socks off if she's wearing regular socks. Panty pulled to the side or off during DATY?

I agree with everything you say but here in Wpg. our cops often feel they don't have better things to do. Unfortunately often at the urging of the local politicians or the licensed escort agencies, who complain about unlicensed ladies. More than one SP (a couple are on here) can tell you about getting stung by the local cops by meeting them in a bar or lounge to discuss "details" beforehand. Seems ridiculous when they could be using their time more effectively like catching robbers, rapists, murderers or even those texting and driving but that's the attitude here in Wpg. Cheers

From one mature provider to another, I will say it isn't easy. I've tried and have decided that the headaches and heartaches simply aren't worth the investment at this time in my life. The work just brings too many issues, even with those who know and understand it when combined with a strong will that we old broads seem to embody. What I would like to ask is if your relationship has ended, is there a need to seek another at this time? If you are anything like me, you have lived to raise your children and take care of others. I'm assuming here but I have never met a mature provider that wasn't instinctively nurturing, even if they haven't had children and most of us have sacrificed everything for those we love. Now your family is grown or almost, perhaps it's time to have an authentic relationship with yourself! I've decided to simply live each day and enjoy those who are in my life during those moments. I do have friends in my personal life but it's on my terms and my time. I've adopted a new approach. Rather than looking at things from a duality perspective ie. positive/negative contributions, I only consider if a relationship brings balance to my mental, spiritual, physical being. If a relationship doesn't contribute to the harmony I craft in my life then I bow out. I love but don't commit in a traditional way. I'm spending time with me, doing the things I love and want to do. If someone I enjoy wants to tag along, great! If not, great! If I want someone to sleep over, they can stay. If I want to wake up alone, they go home. Anything that disrupts the balance I'm creating is immediately eliminated. Embrace being a woman of mystery! Like Kathryn said, you do need to disclose your profession before intense intimacies take place but you would be amazed at how much fun you can have without going all the way. I get all the hard action I need with work but I love the foreplay most. I will spend months getting to know someone and never go further than high school couch make out sessions that have been the described as the best sex they've ever had without sex! Until I know they are trustworthy, they don't need to have information that is sensitive. Protect you and yours foremost. Life is suppose to be fun, make dating an adventure and I have chosen to make these experiences fun and without commitment or drama. They are simply for me to enjoy, nsa. Perhaps spending some quality time with you, for you, by you is in order. The right man may fall from the sky into your lap when you least expect it but if he doesn't then you are still living a life worthy of you, that you will find fulfilling. My grandma always told me that she never regretted anything she did in her life, she just regretted the things she didn't do so that is my focus. I'm just doing the things that I enjoy on my terms and seeing where life takes me... cat

There aren't any rules for this sort of situation, however "tell him right away" NO. Develop the relationship first and when you are confident and able to trust the guy or girl, then it's time to confide in them. You laid out a number of options in your initial post, but omitted one. Could you give up the job if you became seriously involved and it was the only way to go forward.

That is why I am sure I would always come back to an awesome MA :)

Dislike!!!!!

Last week my cat took to washing himself too much...like all the time Was away for the weekend got home today. He had chewed his fur out in clumps and scratch marks on his skin. Got an infestation of fleas. Poor cat was just crying from suffering from the fleas. So first order of business give him a medicated shampoo, and boy do cats love water. Then a antibiotic ointment for his wounds from scratching And then a thorough cleaning of my apartment followed by spraying an anti flea spray. And now waiting for the last of my laundry to dry...it was clean before but who knows But now my cat seems really content RG

Cerb newbie Angel St. Claire :) Thanks, Angel!!!

I agree that some clients can be notorious for this as well. Momma always told me to kill 'em with kindness!

Firstly, we all know it is very easy to hide behind a keyboard. And easier for some to trash talk someone else to make themselves look and feel better. Also since there is rarely more than 2 or 3 folks in a personal conversation, it is easy to make ones self look good if a person feels the need to. In this business there are many types of people, both SP's and Hobbiests. When you throw all of those differences into the stew, some people feel they come up short and will do and say things that can be mean and spiteful. Peer pressure, business pressure, self esteem; it's not just an SP issue. And this is not unique to this industry, but it is easier here because its a personal and intimate one. Discretion is not our cultures strong suit these days. Nor is truthfulness. It is easier for some people to just go with the flow and be the norm, rather than step off the treadmill and be different. Excaliber, please understand, these are not my "sisters" nor are they my co-workers. To a point we are each others competition. But only to a point. Like all businesses there are reputable ones and not so reputable. And yes some of them can be my friends. Just as some hobbiests who's type I am not, can be. I am not suggesting that hobbiests are a commodity but to a degree you are. A human one. Somewhere along the line some people lose that sight of the communal fact and become self serving. Lying and making up rumours can be seen as a useful tool to some people, others are just like that normally. It is up to you, as the Consumer, to decide if it's worth it to put your money there. As an SP it is also our choice to be that "business type" or not. Since we all bring ourselves to this industry, the stew will always have these types. Like it or not.

Dude: Coming from an old guy like me - trust me, as long as your tongue can get it up, you're a Champ! Fight the good fight. Watch UFC (scares the shit outta me). Enjoy the cup half filled thing. Y'know, now that I mention this, I get pissed if some sloppy dink spills my drunk. Cheat at Euchre. Not hard to do. Dink pletny of whine. Um ok...meby nit so muc..hic - Not hard to do. So, as you can tell from this thread - we're all thinking about you. You have friends here. Everyone wants to have some laughs at your expense. Get well you lazy bastard.

This is part of the reason I really enjoy working where I do. It's a flat fee for the room and my company! The tiered offerings always seemed to create a lot of confusion. If you communicate with the person you are going to see you can get the financials out of the way up front. This ensures that any tips that are beyond that are a token of appreciation for the encounter. I believe that just like any service industry the tip u leave should be in line with your own comfort level, and the service you were provided. I believe tips are not required, but I definitely remember the gentleman that offers one. In short in my opinion the answer to your question is that if you communicate up front you will never be left feeling like you shorted the lady, and anything above that is a kind token that will definitely be appreciated. Kelly

The sp only access ladies currently can not see hidden profiles but this is causing issues with verification, because of this council has voted and we would like to grant any verified sp (sp only access) the ability to view hidden profiles (to help with the screening process) so this announcement is to let veryone know that in a few weeks (if we can get this working) the sp only ladies will be able to view private profiles (for screening and security). This way no "bad" clients can hide from sp only ladies. If anyone has questions or objects you can pm me or comment.

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I'm with the guy who talks about 'open minded' being similar to using the term 'GFE' in an ad. It only means what the sp who posted the ad wants it to mean, nothing more and nothing less, and sometimes it is just a tag line meant to get the phone to ring, nothing more and nothing less. And sometimes, shocker, the ad is simply copied from someone else in another city and has nothing to do with the sp you are calling, but ended up in the ad because she stole it from a US advertiser where the term actually meant something in code for that US sp lol. Never overthink this stuff, outside of very specific acronyms, these things like 'all inclusive', 'GFE', 'PSE', "ymmv" and "open minded' among other things are not worth the time to examine and define to anyone's satisfaction, because the majority of clients and sps are not reading these definitions and will simply redefine them any way they wish. And some of them have no idea of what the original meaning of 'open minded' used to be, or some of them use it because they do know, but they aren't aware of what it is being used for now. On one agency site, the term was used only for sps who didn't wish to have their actual services listed or defined as either GFE or PSE or FS only or any other label. They reserved the right to tell the client in person face to face what they did or didn't do, and sometimes that meant that one guy might get a kiss, while another one didn't. This way they couldn't be forced into a certain menu it gave them the freedom to decide for themselves at the time.

I have always thought that "open minded" meant non-judgmental. So, you could be open in asking about something a little off the conventional, "vanilla" sexual map. It didn't guarantee she'd say yes, but it does mean she wouldn't give you a hard time about the request. Lots of guys have quirks and fetishes and offbeat interests they might be yearning to pursue but nervous to ask about. To me, open-minded means "don't be afraid to ask". I *don't* think open-minded means "willing to renegotiate my stated boundaries", or secretly open to doing something unsafe.

I don't like diets that eliminate entire food groups. I had good success with Weight Watchers many years ago, and have heard the same feedback from others. It teaches you how to eat and encourages choosing items from all types of food, usually I think now you have these little points cards, so you pick items until you get to your day's totals. so you can eat your favourites, but they might cost you a lot of points. eventually you get used to eating a healthy diet, in moderate amounts at regular intervals. The main thing is that there isn't any of that 'going back" to what you normally eat, because all along you are eating what you like to eat anyway. the easiest way to lose weight and maintain it is to just change one thing, and add one healthy thing. So if you drink 2 beers at the end of the day, cut back to one. If you eat fast food 5 times a week, cut back to 2 times a week or choose the healthier FF options. then you add one thing,, like in the time that you were drinking that extra beer, now you are going to walk around the block after you return home, and before you go inside. or you will start drinking 8 glasses of water a day. or take the stairs, or do crunches while watching tv, etc etc. WW also has prepared meals and treats available if you don't want to take the time to prepare stuff. :)

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