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Not sure if this has been posted BUT it is important. This is the actual process of how a bill becomes law in Canada. http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/House/compendium/web-content/c_g_legislativeprocess-e.htm So when you are fretting about Bill SeeDirtySex (C36) remember what was tabled on Wednesday is like a piece of cloth before it gets tailored into a suit. IT IS NOT THE FINAL PRODUCT. An all party committee will scrutinize the living shit out of the current bill. You can bet that more than one member will PUBLICLY suggest that the bill is absolutely contrary to the SCC decision and will suggest sending the bill or parts thereof to the SCC as a series of test questions. You know how the SCC has ruled - in unanimity. What can you do in the interim? Contact your MP. Demand a written response. Organize. Organize. Organize. If you are a part of a SW organization, enlist the support of human rights organizations. Have THEM speak on your behalf in concert with your own voice. Find SW friendly artists, authors, educators and other persons of note to advocate for you. Get Elizabeth May on board. Get the NDP on board. Get the Liberals on board. Don't get sidetracked on side issues. No tangents. You want to gain support NOT alienate. This bill affects both sexes. In the resounding words of Pierre Elliot Trudeau - "There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation." That was nearly 50 years ago. Let's NOT go backwards. Just some food for thought.

Yesterday, I had a call from 411 directory. They wanted to know if my ad needed updates. I asked he was aware of the new bill that may be our new laws. I continued to inform him, he was greatly concerned and irritated by the whole thing. Not for his job or anything, as 411 has many other business to advertise for. He said he would speak to his supervisor about this, and what they plan to do with the escort category. He also said that he will do his part in writing to different offices, voicing his concern too. Hope that he does! I was happy to see that someone outside of my business and this bored to be genuinely concerned. I know is just one person on a phone, but gives me a glimmer of hope that others will also become more and more aware of this disturbing bill.

If I send a picture to a lady that I've met,or have had a mutual respect for, I will always ask firstly. It seals a bond of huge trust between each other, and that, I respect the most in this business and friendships. It is not about me showing off certain body parts of mine, as I'm not that buffed young looking lad, nope I'm just that mature early fifties gent, showing my face or my body to her is telling her "hey I value your trust,honesty and friendship" so here is a picture for you. I'm not feeling nervous,or invincible perhaps a little naughty, and yes I actually feel desired, happy,accepted, yes thrilled too when when she says "yes" It is about respect and a hint of naughtiness that sets a tone for a date. I had to send a photo to a companion down state side for her screening process, last fall, ever since then we still exchange emails once and a while to say hello, it built a very trusting SP and gent friendship and to me that is very important. I also like to believe that my photos are her property now, and she wouldn't share them, and that is a bond and trust that she must keep, so it has it's benefits for both involved.

Any communications that include.... I am young and hung and handsome I really don't need to pay for sex but have x amount to offer you. Are you available? I am right around the corner. How much will x dollars get me. Do you offer a discount for students (or unemployed) There are unfortunately so many more but u get the idea

The integrists of the conservative party have gone to the limit of their fanatism. Maybe they should bring back the Inquisition where they burned the witches and the fornicators.

Just wanted to say that after being on Cerb for 4 years and meeting many SP's and MA's over the years that I have learnt a lot about the women who have chosen the is path as a career. Most of them have chosen this career because they enjoy the independence and financial freedom that it can bring. But this job is not easier. Many of them have families or kids to support. University educations that they are trying to complete. This job is demanding as it involves many hours of marketing, emailing, posting ad's answering text and PM's. Trying to get hotel, schedule appointments. The women who are most successful at this job are the one's that truly enjoy their work and like to please their clients. I've met many of these women and have truly enjoyed my time with them time and again. This can be a stressful time as they need the time to prepare the room and prepare themselves for each encounter. Some day's it can busy and other day's not. Some day's they meet some really fun gentlemen and other days, maybe some creeps. Some have been robbed, or beaten up or cheated. Sometimes there no shows or other girls that make fake appointments. This is a hard job. Sometimes it is physically demanding. They give their most intimate moments. It takes a certain kind of woman to handle the emotions and sexual activities that this job may entail. One SP, told me that it's not the physical aspect that is tiring. But the emotional aspect. To be able to pretend to enjoy themselves when they are not. She was saying that in this job she had to be the giver all the time and that most of the men were takers. Her Job was to give them pleasure and most men just used her to get as much pleasure for themselves. These women deserve more, they deserve to be treated kindly and with respect. Respect their time and their contact protocol. Be a gentlemen and be clean. Do not try to negotiate their rates, or push them for more then they are willing to offer. Give them a massage to start, make it about them in the beginning. They may have had a hard day, and appreciated a little kindness and tenderness and relaxation. Talk to them, they are people also, not just objects of your lust. Treat them well and with respect and kindness. I've been told by them, that it doesn't matter how old or what you look like. As long as you are a gentlemen and clean, you will be treated well. Remember, that they are there to make you happy and are providing a very intimate service, so you should appreciate they company they provide. If the chemistry and connection are there, you will have a great time. If the connection is real, it pays to return for repeat sessions. I have repeated many times with many of the women, and have found that each session get's better and better, as you get to know each other and are more relaxed with each other. I have had several good friendships developed over the years and have maintained them. Just wanted to say this to thank you to the women of Cerb for the fun and kindness that they have given us men over the years. I hope to meet many more of you over the next few years if I can :) Remember guys. Be a gentleman, be clean and respectful and you shall be rewarded. Oh yeah, one more thing. The woman should always cum first :)

You don't do one bulk email you do an mail merge in Word that allows you to quickly create individual specific emails for each person. Really easy to do. Just my opinion.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/prostitution-law-changes-have-chance-of-surviving-court-challenge-1.2669996

Well I know I would have had a lot less encounters over the past four years if I scared...er shared my photo with a lady I wanted to see LOL And thank you to all those ladies who after first glance of me, still came into my hotel room RG

I'd often sent facial photo's prior to meeting so the women could practice not being disappointed when they opened the door and saw my mug for the first time :) Peace MG

Hi there, Simply wanted to say that Keri is a good friend of mine whom you'll feel very comfortable with. She's is a beautiful ebony lady with huge breasts and great assets :). So, if you're into big breasts and a fun time with a lady who knows how to make a man happy, go see her! ;-)

hi there, thank you for checking my ad. You will not be disappointed with my A+++ services ( the lady, the services, the place) My name is Vivian. I'm 26 years old. Gorgeous, i am a classy looking Lady with long black hair, seductive cat eyes and full sexy lips, beautiful silky soft, tanned skin. work out body with all the right curves in the right places (32C, 24, 34) You have finally met the sweet girl next door, also the naughty girl in your dreams... I greet you at the door with a lovely smile then lead you to the massage room...I will start with a deep soothing tissue massage to relax all your muscles then follow with a soft, sensual, tease touch to invigorate your whole body then the fun time ... It will be the most relaxing, creative and passionate session for you ever. So amazing that you cannot help yourself from thinking about it and want to come back for more ! http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=92146 For relaxing massage $40/30m $50/45m $70/60m appointment only, call/text me at 613 712 1200 mon to sat 10am to 7pm __________________

My answer right now would really have to be that I am unsure at the moment. I am still reasonably confident that reason will prevail and that this political foolishness will be withdrawn. If not, then I suppose as the saying goes, "Where there's a will, there's a way."

Teehee!

This one's a giant "Meh" at the moment. First, as has been said, nothing is law yet. Second, even if the bill becomes law unchanged... I'm wondering how many folks who quit initially will get bored of the company of their own right hands after a week, or a month, or whatever, and drift back...

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/is-the-proposed-prostitution-law-constitutional/

I hate these discussions because essentially they all boil down to "it's a sex worker's choice who s/he sees." But if you're making race-based generalizations as your reasoning for why you won't see XYZ race, well you're being racist. Discriminate based on bad behaviour, not race.

One further thing that came to me over the last few hours. PLEASE engage the potential leaders that are vying to fill the position that Shawn Atleo left as National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations. This bill completely ignores the outcry of the First Nations in regard to the disappearances and murders of 3000 Aboriginal women. In fact, it further endangers the countless women who may fall or have fallen victim to creatures like Robert Pickton, many of whom were First Nations. The United Nations is investigating the disappearances and the unheeded call for government action to solve this horrible phenomenon. THIS BILL FURTHER JEOPARDIZES THE PLIGHT OF ABORIGINAL WOMEN. In an era where the Conservative government values international reputation as highly as it does, it certainly can't afford overt UN condemnation. More food for thought.

Aaaah, Lee! You silly boy, you! Don't think, not for one minute, that those politicians are missing out on the good things in life - they all love to fuck, especially us - they just don't understand they're now screwing the ladies they love to fuck!

The Regressive Conservatives. Let's turf them in the next election.

Disclaimer: I realize that the majority of you are paying for a sexual service and that your needs should be met within the boundaries of the escort in question. That is the service I am providing. However, that being said, I would like to call attention to what I like to refer to as "jack-hammering." This is basically extended penetrative sex and nothing else. You may be convinced that good sex requires only penetration and stamina--as well all know, women want a man who can last (I hope you can sense the sarcasm there), or perhaps it is purely selfish on your part, you do want to get your money's worth after all. So you pound your paid sex partner, over and over, squeezing in every possible available second. In which case, I am not a blow-up doll. I am not an object solely for your use. Keep in mind, I do not think it is a problem, for example, if you would like to simply pay to receive a blowjob, provided you realize the skill and time involved in administering a good blowjob. And I do not think penetrative sex itself is bad. But if you are interested in engaging in a full range of sexual behaviour, please realize that "sex" does not simply equal penetration for as long as humanly possible. After awhile it is painful, un-stimulating and rather boring. If a woman is not turned on, she doesn't create those delicious lubricating fluids that can make penetrative sex so wonderful. So take the time to pay attention to things like kissing and groping and licking and nibbling and so on. If the first thing you're going for is penetration, you have skipped so many amazing, naughty fun things to do to one another. While we are providing a very intimate service, aimed at generating your pleasure and satisfaction, we have emotions, and physical limits. So keep that in mind the next time you're with your favourite lady. Happy pooning!

This morning while I drink my coffee and read the boards here, I?m struck by how many complaints we have about the guys who take advantage of some aspect of our services and then treat us badly. There are active discussions about men who: Try to negotiate or bargain clearly-stated non-negotiable fees Try to pay less than the agreed fee after they arrive Try to get services that were not agreed on before the date Complain about our screening questions Don?t bother to take a shower, brush their teeth or trim their nails before seeing us Assume that we're likely to rob them Threaten to write bad reviews and/or aren?t believed when they write good ones Insult us, our need for safety and even our looks when we don?t give in to what they demand No one is forced to read our ads and websites, look at our photos, contact us, discuss our services with us, or meet with us. It?s all voluntary and initiated by the client. The client has needs, feelings, preferences and curiosity, but why do so many refuse to take responsibility for themselves? What they express as anger, self-righteous indignation and personal entitlement is really projected self-hatred. I want to sit these men down and say: If you don?t want to see a paid companion, don?t do it. If you decide to seek out a companion, that's your decision. What you want is not what everyone else may want. That?s usually a wonderful thing. Recognize that we?re not like cheap candy that you can buy daily. We?re more like fine dining to be enjoyed occasionally. Plan accordingly. If someone?s prices are too high for you, either wait until you can afford her, or find someone else. Meanwhile, don't blame her for your lack of funds. Recognize that she charges what the market will bear. That means that there are plenty of others who can afford to see her. Always be polite and considerate. No matter what. Even if you feel confused, disappointed or insulted, be polite. Remember that companions are human beings, just like you. We have needs, desires, dreams and things we?re worried about or afraid of, just as you do. We will protect both your health and our own. Fair is fair. If you're worried about your safety, know that she's concerned about her safety, too. No matter who or how important you are or think you are, the one who is taking the most risks is always the companion. Always. Relax.

This scenario excites me BIG TIME! I've been to strip-clubs a few times, I would probably go more often if I didn't have to be accompanied by a man. The few times I have gone, I really enjoyed myself in the CR. One time the dancer bought my drinks all night. Awesome! I'm game!

The whole day has been a highlight. Morning coffee on the beach. Swimming and making new friends all day. Learning how to catch a fish like the locals. And then having supper with all my new friends on the beach.

I was thinking something similar earlier today. While it's all well and good to stick to established SPs as some have suggested, if one of those SPs were to be investigated and LE gets access to a client list or correspondence pertaining to engaging in the hobby, you could still get nailed, unfortunately.

If the Nordic Model becomes a law, I will be waiting for all those who say it won't change a thing because of budget restrictions and stuff, to test out how things are. The way I see it, this just gives the police more powers that it doesn't need. Piss one of them off, they go snooping around to see if there is anything that they can use on you. An SP getting caught for violating the bizarre proposed rules (or some other trumped out charge), they pressure her into sharing correspondences for something favourable. There are many possibilities that are running through my mind, and I may be more scared then I need to be, but seeing how I have according to many medical journals, more life ahead of me then behind, I'd rather not continue the rest of my life with the threat like this over my head.

I think Benedet is reading into it, for the purpose of disseminating misleading information in the way the Rescue Industry abolitionists are famous for. She and McKay seem to be the only ones quoted or interviewed in any recent article to suggest that criminalizing the purchase has any hope of passing an SCC scrutiny. It's wishful thinking on her part I think. Additional Comments: Here is a litany of things that exploiters can be charged with, using the current set of laws. Just in case you have a debate with any abolitionists who claim that c-36 is the only solution to stopping those who would force unwilling and underage people into work. If anyone tells you we need new laws, and that C-36 is going to fix 'everything', here are the current charges against this group. Now tell me, anyone, if this is an insufficient list to cover all the major issues that any abolitionist has with the sex trade: http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/29315 As a result of the executed search warrants, the following people have been arrested and charged: Shanicka Providence, 18, of Toronto 1) Conspiracy to Commit an Indictable Offence 2) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 3) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 4) Forcible Confinement 5) Procure to become a Prostitute 6) Exercise Control 7) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 8) Uttering Threats 9) Assault 10) Telecommunication Agreement to Commit Specific Criminal Offences Young Person, 17, of Toronto 1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 2) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 3) Procure to become a Prostitute 4) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 5) Exercise Control 6) Fail to Comply with Probation Order (two counts) Tchello Whyte, 25, of Toronto 1) Possession of Child Pornography 2) Sexual Assault 3) Sexual Interference 4) Procure to become a Prostitute 5) Exercise Control 6) Make Child Pornography 7) Fail to Comply with Probation Order Alia Alexandra Abdellatif , 25, of Toronto 1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 2) Procure to become a Prostitute 3) Exercise Control 4) Make Child Pornography 5) Imports, Distributes, Sells or Possesses Child Pornography (two counts) 6) Possession of Child Pornography Young Person, 17, of Toronto 1) Procure to become a Prostitute 2) Fail to Comply with Probation Order (three counts) Markus Cole, 20, of Toronto 1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years Young Person, 17, of Toronto 1) Procure to become a Prostitute Anthony Talbert, 21, of Toronto 1) Sexual Assault 2) Assault 3) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 4) Fail to Comply Recognizance 5) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 6) Procure to become a Prostitute 7) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 8) Exercise Control Warrants have been issued for the arrest of the following people: Darren Letts, 22, of Toronto 1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 2) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 3) Procure to become a Prostitute 4) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 5) Exercise Control 6) Sexual Assault 7) Sexual Interference Jason Bartley, 19, of Toronto 1) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 2) Import, Distribute, Sells or Possesses Child Pornography (four counts) 3) Possession of Child Pornography (two counts) 4) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 5) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 6) Procure to become a Prostitute Brian MacKenzie, 22, of Toronto 1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 2) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 3) Procure to become a Prostitute 4) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 5) Exercise Control 6) Uttering Threats 7) Forcible Confinement 8) Telecommunication Agreement to Commit Specific Criminal Offences 9) Fail to Comply with Probation Order 10) Make Child Pornography Kamille Fraser, 21, of Toronto 1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 2) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 3) Procure to become a Prostitute 4) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 5) Exercise Control 6) Forcible Confinement http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/29327 On Saturday, June 7, 2014, one of the outstanding Project Dove suspects surrendered to police at 43 Division. Brian Mackenzie, 22, of Toronto, was charged with: 1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 2) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 3) Procure to become a Prostitute 4) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 5) Exercise Control 6) Uttering Threats 7) Forcible Confinement 8) Telecommunication Agreement to Commit Specific Criminal Offences 9) Fail to Comply with Probation Order 10) Make Child Pornography 11) Import, Distributes, sells or possess for the purpose of Distribute 12) Possession of Child pornography 13) Import, Distributes, sells or possess for the purpose of Distribute. On Sunday, June 8, 2014, another Project Dove suspect, Kamille Fraser, 21, of Toronto, was arrested. She was charged with: 1) Trafficking in Persons under eighteen years by recruiting 2) Material benefit resulting from trafficking in persons 3) Procure to become a Prostitute 4) Living on avails of Juvenile Prostitution 5) Exercise control 6) Forcible confinement. Warrants have been issued for the arrest of the following people: Darren Letts, 22, of Toronto: 1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 2) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 3) Procure to become a Prostitute 4) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 5) Exercise Control 6) Sexual Assault 7) Sexual Interference Jason Bartley, 19, of Toronto: 1) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution 2) Import, Distribute, Sells or Possesses Child Pornography X4 3) Possession of Child Pornography X2 4) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years 5) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons 6) Procure to become a Prostitute

Here are my top ten favorite positions. Sorry for all the pictures but I am not very good with names.

There is nothing we can worry about or try to control until this bill is etched in stone. My prediction is that it will be modified. There will be ways around this. Find your trusted providers and stick to them if you are concerned.

I agree completely with that. Not only aboriginal women but all of the women on the fringes of this business. I can never understand the politicians who hold themselves up to be the protector of certain vulnerable members of our society by creating policies that only drive those most vulnerable farther underground and putting them at greater risk. I guess it shouldn't surprise me, though. Most of these politicians are born with a silver spoon and don't really give a rats ass about the less fortunate, despite their proclamations from on high.

Pacman boxers and a yellow cammie...total comfort!

If and when the bill passes through the legislature and receives royal ascent.... so I'm guessing late this year.

White lacy cheeky undies today :)

You know what it all comes down to personal preference. Why is it when this comes up we are automatically judged a bigot, racist or whatever else. Truthfully I applause these women, at least they are open about it and let it be known up front then not opening the door when the gentleman arrives. Which would you prefer? I for one have been called everything but a white guy because I refuse this dancer's offer to go to back room. After she finished calling me a racist I asked an I racist to the white women I turned away as well. So if that makes me a racist a bigot then so be it, but don't judge someone for being up front about their likes and dislikes. This racism stuff has gone too far in my opinion.

I'm going to say it. STUPIDITY. Especially this week. There are far too many people speaking from an opening that is not their mouth... and most of those are the doom and gloomers. Think of solutions. When you give up and publicly announce that there is no hope, you become part of the problem. So... if you have given up hope, please... ummm... shut the fuck up. Your "sky is falling" bullshit is NOT HELPING.

I'm sorry, but I am really tired of hearing the "I told you so"s and "the laws shouldn't have been challenged", etc etc etc. Yes, the proposed laws are scary. Am I happy about clients facing criminalization? Absolutely not. And I don't think that they will go through the House of Commons and the Senate intact, as they are, because they are recreating some of the same problematic laws. This is not going to be an easy road. However, I am fully supportive of - and incredibly grateful to - Bedford, Scott, and Lebovitch. They outed themselves and challenged laws that made the likes of Pickton possible. Laws which made the most disadvantaged and marginalized workers bear >90% of criminal charges. Laws which made it difficult for us to screen and work safely. "We" may have had it "good", but not everyone did. And not everyone has access to an indoor location, a laptop, a cellphone, and a reliable internet connection. Not everyone has the ability to work under the radar as "we" do. So, yes, I understand that some people are upset because this has the potential to impact their status quo. Sorry. No, not sorry. I'm willing to bear with this bullshit if it means that the people who are the most at risk might have a better ending. I'm not a happy camper, either, but I recognize why this had to happen, and I am very glad that it did. I manage to make an impact in small ways, which work for me and which do not involve outing myself. Part of that is going to be raising funds for the upcoming fight - I have a pig bank that is being put to good use (also, ironically) ;) It's already been mentioned in this thread and across the forum and social media, but consider donating to a sex workers' rights organization. If you don't want to donate directly, I'm sure a lovely provider or fellow hobbyist can help make it happen.

It is business as usual until such a time the bill goes to a vote. If it passes there, then it is law and in place potentially to be struck down by the SCC. At this point it is just another fight in the long line of fighting for rights. Carry as as you have been.

A few initial thoughts on this. Full disclosure: I've read Pivot's analysis of it, but not the bill itself (I've scanned the bill, and it's basically impossible to follow unless you're already familiar with existing legislation). Anyway... ...yes, it's bad, but I see no reason to panic. The sky is not falling, despite the government's wish to drop it on us. As Gia noted, this is not a final bill; it's an opening bid in a political process. Some provisions in there will be things the government really wants to make happen, but some will be stuff that's there purely to be negotiated away so that the government can claim they're being reasonable. Yes, the government has a majority... but negotiations will still take place and compromises will happen. An aside: given the government's current relations with the SCC, I can't help but wonder how much of this is less about sex work than Harper just wanting to deliver a solid "Fuck you" to the court. Obviously sex workers and their clients are just collateral damage here... On communication: it still talks about "any place", and the Internet (including email) is still not a "place". On advertizing: does the law prevent the hosting of ads, or just the placing of them? The former is completely unenforceable; contrary to what some others have said in this thread, anything outside of Canada is beyond the jurisdiction of Canadian courts, as are any servers physically located in another country and run by a non-Canadian company. So, to pick three more enlightened countries at random: if we set up cerb.de, hosted on servers in New Zealand by an Australian company, the courts here are powerless. And for those who disagree with me on that... think for a moment about Wikileaks. Think about Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald, and what they've published between them. Think about the stuff they've put online, and how much it has pissed off the most powerful and technologically advanced nation in the world... and on a subject far more important to The Powers That Be than sex work could ever become. Can they stop it? Can they shut those people down? Of course not, or they would have already done so. Given that, do you really think the Canadian government will be able to kill a board like this if it's hosted abroad, even if they were foolish enough to try? Now, if the placing of an ad is a crime... well, that's enforceable. But will LE have the resources and inclination to actually enforce it? Maybe, but that depends on the LE in question. And that only applies if ads stay the way they are today... if advertizing sexual services is illegal, then we simply do what's already common in the US: "Money exchanged is for time and companionship only (nudge, wink)." Problem solved: no sex advertized, no law broken. On the idea that this bill could kill the industry in Canada: well, I'm sure the government would love that to happen. But, really... look south. Even if this bill passed as written, the legal environment for sex work would still be less oppressive than that which exists in most of the US. Tell me, doom-mongers, are there no sex workers in the US? Are there no clients? And, bearing in mind the answers to those two questions, do you honestly think the industry will die here? It's called the Oldest Profession for a reason, and it's survived worse than this. Now, that's not to say there will be no effect at all. We may end up with a more US-like situation where providers have to be more careful about screening clients, and clients will have to be more careful about which ads they respond to, and newcomers on both sides of the fence will probably find it harder to get established. Some clients and providers may well be scared out of the industry, and it may decline in size as a result. But it will continue; I have no doubt about that. My gut feeling is that enforcement of whatever finally becomes law will, as today, be mostly aimed at street workers and their clients. Let's face it, this is about politics, and what drives politics is public opinion... and what drives public opinion is what the public sees. The man in the street probably doesn't know that the nice lady in the apartment upstairs is a sex worker, and therefore he won't complain to either LE or his MP about her; he's going to complain about the lady in the short skirt on a street corner, never mind the fact that she's just a random person meeting a friend for a night out and not a sex worker at all. Finally: as many have noted, this is all obviously going to be struck down by the SCC on the same grounds as last time, provided we can get plaintiffs for a test-case (or maybe two; it strikes me you'd need one case for the laws aimed at clients, and one for the laws aimed at providers). Sure, most people won't want the publicity... but it only needs one or two courageous and determined individuals. And a decade.

If they are advertising their own sexual services they won't be prosecuted anyway. So what difference does it make?

Lots of SPs are very specific about what services they offer and have specific price lists in their ads/websites. ie "Trip to Greece $100 extra". That doesn't fool anybody.

The oldest profession Peter McKay you can try and stop it but you won't. This has to go thru 3 readings commitee hearings and the Senate.

Independents will not be punished for advertising. It's our body we do what we want. Communication in public still illegal (funny, wasn't that already struck down???). Working girls families are no longer criminals for benefiting from avails. Not AS bad. The clients being criminal thing is tough, but that's where established providers are going to be ok. Clients know they aren't a "sting". The new ones that pop up will suffer. The entire purpose of Bedford was to help street workers and this hasn't helped them AT ALL!!!!!

The ladies should be happy....Peter MacKay is trying to save you and retrain you to get out of prostitution...he cares (detect my sarcastic voice here) But me and other men...just a bunch of pervs Pissed off...saw PM press conference...not happy at all RG

Books are AMAZING! It's a weird thing, it's either all or nothing with me. When I get into reading mode, it's all consuming. I will read a book a day for weeks on end... and then it stops as quickly as it starts. I consume the complete bibliographies of authors in a single period, much like tv series marathoning has become the thing. Recommendations? Ian Rankin - The inspector Rebus series and the Malcolm Fox series. (19 books and 4 books, two interlaced.) Rebus is a crotchety old Edinburgh cop with relationship and alcohol problems, he drives a crappy car and is often seen in yesterdays clothes... but you like him. The mystery series is fast paced and gritty but ohhhhh so good. Alan Bradley - The Flavia DeLuce series (6 books). If you loved Harry Potter, you'll love Flavia DeLuce. She's a precocious 11 yr old chemist/evil genius in a crumbling English manor solving crimes in 1950 England. Like Harry Potter, it's an all ages adventure that has moments for everyone... and best of all Alan Bradley is a Canadian author with enormous talent. Christopher Moore - The man is hilarious. His 15 books are filled with a compendium of the most interesting characters, in the most interesting of situations and some of the most inciteful humour you will ever read. His best is "Lamb, The Gospel according to Jesus's buddy Biff." Industry related? Michael Faber's - The Crimson Petal and the White. An amazing story centred around a London prostitute named Sugar. It's long, but if you are a true reader you won't be able to put it down. It has been adapted and altered as a 4 part mini series. The Game of Thrones/Song of Ice and Fire series by George RR Martin - You watch it religiously, read the books to see what happens in your head before you see it on TV. The books are long... and book four is not the easiest to read, but by the end of the 5th book you will truly appreciate the series even more. Just hope old George finishes all seven books before he kicks the bucket....

I removed the nasty comments that are not in the spirit of the cerb community.

You're recommendation reads very much like a shill using the same words and phrases as her ads on bp. Additionally recommendations should be posted in the recommendation section, not the general discussion section. To post in the recommendation section you must earn credibility. Your attempt to help her has actually hurt both her reputation and yours.