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As many of you know, cancer continues to march along, treatments both here and Toronto have had a very small delaying effect and I should see the new year. However, I am grateful for: -being able to appreciate a really nice camel toe like the one on my young nurse from the last two weeks (I really wanted to drop something on the floor so I could get closer!!!! Just like in elementary school) -being able to appreciate her thong and tight uniform highlighting her C breasts and BIG nipples (how do I know they were a C, I asked, when you have cancer you can ask any stupid question! and she smiled when she answered!!!!) -the many of you who have offered support either publicly or thru pm, always appreciated and quite frankly sometimes very needed -the ability to laugh at myself when I do something stupid, like banging my head with the toilet seat last week when puking! I mean really, who does that and how stupid am I to grab onto the seat rather than the porcelain??!! -the ability to see humour, sometimes dark, like when on the way home from Toronto last Friday, pulled over to puke, standing in front of the car, bent over, OPP stops and comes up behind me, scares the shit out of me and I spray his boots as I turn around. OOPS! no harm no foul, just dirty boots. after giving me a lecture to not stand in front of the car, he started to laugh, and so did I -the ability to see the beauty, sexuality and sensuality of the many Ladies of CERB I have visited over the last couple of years, MP's and SP's alike. Many of whom I consider friends. And the many I have yet to visit, but speak to in the chat room, on private messages. Luv ya all! So not to be a downer, it is true that my tongue still works, my hands and fingers love massaging and my brain is ...... well I was never the sharpest knife in the drawer!!!! Have a good one folks. Enjoy ! And remember: get lots of SEX, it does the body good! The Liquor Tom

The spas know damn well that we guys aren't there to see each other, and are generally very good at making sure we don't run into each other in the hallway or anywhere else. I've only had it happen a couple of times at different places... and on both occasions that was passing a client on the way in as I was walking out the door, which they really can't do much to avoid. I've *never* spent any time hanging around the lobby, or seen anyone else doing so. So, yeah... Ottawa doesn't sound like Toronto :) I guess you might have to spend a little longer in the communal areas if you just show up and then want to know who's available, but I've always tended to look at the schedule, do some research in advance and then call ahead, even if it's just a "Hi, is X available in ten minutes' time?". I've never just shown up unannounced, even at the places that welcome walk-ins. That way you know that you'll see the person you want to see, and you have as little time as possible before you get into the room where you definitely won't see anyone else.

Probably because of the consent involved, or lack thereof. I'm sure we all spend plenty of time appreciating pics and vids of good-looking people in various states of undress and engaging in various activities, but in general these are all done with the consent of the people involved. Whether you're looking at paid models and actors, or the pics that ladies here post of themselves, you can be pretty sure that everything was made public with the full knowledge and consent of whoever you're looking at. Even if they may subsequently change their minds and discover that nothing posted online can ever really be erased, they were still OK with it being put up there in the first place. But that's not what's happened here. It seems that everything in this collection of material has been stolen without the consent of the people in the pictures, and includes stuff that they never intended anyone except a very small audience to see. To me, this seems more akin to revenge porn than to anything with any legitimacy. The fact that the people we're talking about are famous doesn't change that. Let's face it, the Internet already contains more legitimately-produced erotica than any one person could ever watch, and more gets added every day. I don't see the need to seek out stuff that was never meant to go public.

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So about a month ago I started thread about how people treat posters, and this is a classic example of someone asking a legitimate question and looking for some feedback, and mostly gets flak. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=189426 I sometimes wonder how much easier it might be just to pass or give the feedback sought. Guess not very...

to politely decline the request for an encounter, for whatever reason, please accept her decision politely. Please understand these decisions aren't made lightly and are the result of a number of considerations, often including but certainly not limited things such as... scheduling conflicts, personal reasons, communication styles, reference reports, posting style & history, a simple lack of chemistry... or a combination thereof. It's important to remember that a lady is balancing her requirement for income with her comfort level and her compatibility with suitors, and when the scale tips too far the wrong way, she is then faced with the delicate task of informing someone that they'd not be a good match. Interrogating a lady, insisting she provide reasons for her decision, & asking for reconsideration will rarely gain you ground, and will almost always result in a lady being very glad she made the aforementioned decision. It makes an already awkward situation even more unpleasant. Please know that a lady makes this decision carefully, and is considering your best interests as well as her own. Accept it graciously. Thank you :)

I'm writing this to let you all know that I have decided to make a gracious exit from the world of hobbying I have enjoyed for over fifteen years. I have met an incredible civilian woman and want to see where things go... it looks very promising! Another factor in my decision has also been the impending arrival of new laws governing the industry as a whole. When taken together, I feel this is the right time to step aside. That said, I will be keeping my account open and will continue to check in from time to time. The only difference is I will no longer be an active member in terms of seeing ladies and writing recommendations. I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the privilege of having been allowed to be a member of this fine caring, compassionate and upstanding community. I am leaving with a treasure trove of experiences and memories which I will always cherish. My decision leaves me with mixed emotions still, as Cerb is more than just a community... For me, it's more of an 'extended family' of sorts and I will miss the interaction and banter I have had with all of you, many of whom I consider friends. The future is uncertain by its very nature, and I may decide to return sooner rather than later. But for right now, I feel this is the right decision for me. Again, from the bottom of my heart - thank you, everyone! P.S. I will also be posting this message on another board which I am a member of.

It sounds like cerb might benefit from a sub forum for Health and safety questions. Then those threads would be in one place, and no one would have to search. I think it would actually be hard to search, as what would you use 'bj", "bbbj", 'b.b.bj" etc, a lot of ads would actually come up. http://smartsexresource.com/ Answers to what and why and how in the link, but if you want to ask people what and why and how, well there are 100 answers and all variations on the same two or three themes. And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what other people do or think about the topic, only what you do or think about the topic, after you check out the link so you know what you are actually thinking about.

damn I thought BJ was for the amazing Bianca Jaguar.

Oh please make it stop!!! Not this argument again. There are several threads discussing this, and some were quite heated. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=177360&highlight=bbbj+dangers Is one of them. There are as many opinions on this as their are people on the board. On this topic opinions are like assholes, we all have one and no two are the same. Please don't feed the troll.

Yes I did not word that properly at all! :whipping:

How when calling a company they ask you to type in your number to access your account and then when an agent finally answers his first question is 'Can I please have your phone number?'

Well said Steve. I can understand the desire to know "why" in these circumstances, as it is a form of rejection. (Our egos are more fragile than we big strong men let on at times.) If nothing else, I would want to avoid whatever behavior made her uncomfortable for future interactions with other sp's. Giving the person the reasons however, would likely lead to them getting defensive and trying to argue the points. I can see why it is best to stick with the "not a good fit" approach and leave it at that. Gents, accept it and move on. Arguing will likely only confirm her suspicions, not change them. I am surprised and sorry to hear how extreme the behaviors can be, and that it is getting worse not better. I assumed that we were moving into more respectful and understanding times. I guess cerb tends to shelter me from the less pleasant sides of the business. You ladies have my deepest respect. I know it is not always easy doing what you do.

Afternoon, without getting into mid slinging, I have never, repeat never had a problem with discretion at Paradise or Angels. At Paradise, since the renovations are now complete, there is a very discrete side door, and lots of parking at the side and back that cannot be seen when driving by on Richmond Road. In my opinion, the only challenge you will face will be which one of the stunning Ladies you will choose! Pm me if you want / need more info. Theliquor Tom

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If a lady said she does not want to see me, I wouldn't be angry. I would just move on. Getting possessive and clingy in this lifestyle is not a healthy thing...leads to jealousy, and maybe worse behaviours. Guys who see a lady and choose not to see her again wouldn't appreciate if that lady continually contacted him about second, third...well you get the idea, encounters. Same holds true here, ladies don't appreciate unwanted continual contacts with a man they don't want to see And who would really want an encounter with a lady who doesn't want to see him. Sounds unpleasant for everyone, and a date the lady rightfully so, would dread A rambling RG

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http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-click-on-the-naked-photos-of-jennifer-lawrence-20140901-3eo6s.html I will leave this really good article here

Maybe three's a crowd!!! ;-)

I think the OP's original request/suggestion is not to 'wait til tomorrow' but to simply move on.

I couldn't agree more. We seem to have an ever growing issue in today's world of accepting the word "no". People assume that they flash money and everybody should be at their beck and call. This business is like many other service businesses out there. Just because we advertise a service doesn't mean everyone gets to have us at a moments notice. And there are certain times when a potential client just doesn't "feel" right. I get it in the business I am in too. I talk to someone about doing their plumbing job and get a feeling that they will be the type that I have to chase payment for or the job is just too much trouble and not worth the ensuing headaches. They, however, act like 3 year olds who can't have candy while in WalMart with mommy. Back to you ladies, you have every right to refuse service to anyone for whatever reason you want. Guys need to understand that and move on. And no, you do not need to provide your reasoning. The only thing I would want in that situation if Iwas being refused is courtesy of a speedy reply and a politely worded refusal. Nothing more.

I guess in a loose language they are interchangeable. It is afterall the same part on both men and women. :asslick:

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There has to be boundaries established in your business and personal life. They have to be separated. One thing to do is create a "vacation message" in your email. When a client sends you an email, they will receive this message and then understand you are gone away. If they get upset about how YOU didn't keep in touch while you were away, then there are some problems with that person and their expectations. When people act out this way, then it's time to take a step back. You do not owe them anything more than the time with you that they pay for. You are under no obligation to "keep in touch with them" outside of an appointment. Most people who have healthy boundaries will understand this. Clients included. If they can't understand the concept that you have a life outside of this business then it's time to re-evaluate the SP-client relationship. Perhaps time to move on from them. I've had to do this a few times and never looked back as some of these client relationships were taking on a life of their own and not in a good way for my mental or emotional health. I do a lot of meditation and am able to deal with these situations much better now.

I sort of like this thread... I'm a grower but only a little so I wish I was more of a shower before becoming a grower.

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The OP's example is pretty specific. I find the other example, trying to imply it is OK to reveal or link one members handle here to a different handle on a different site, is malicious as well. They imply that someone is up to something because they use a different handles on a different forums. There actually is no moral obligation for people to use the same handles from site to site, or to tell everyone who or what they are and do. I actually think it is pretty malicious to run around and suggest that it is, and at the same time start posting the connections as tho they are the local witch hunt group. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102834&highlight=handles http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20104 Also interesting, when you read old threads, the number of people talking about their handle and that is different from the handle that is posting the comments. It is quite clear that several people have changed their handles over time, especially the sps. Just sayin. Doesn't mean they are up to no good. In any case, i just think it is too bad this kind of negativity is creeping onto cerb.

He isn't interested in research. Read the first line of his post (copied/pasted) I'm sure many of you have read about the possibility of getting various social diseases by participating in BBBJ. I know that I have also. It hasn't stopped me yet, but I do worry. It sounds like he knows the risks, he's read about them (his words) But his thread seems more about how others handle the risks and worries I just find it strange, to be so worried as he claims to be, about bbbj, yet still continue to practice it. If this lifestyle or a certain activity in this lifestyle worried me, it's simple, just stop. Don't carry on while claiming to be worried Not sure if he is a troll or looking for input. I just find it strange he partakes in something that worries him RG

I'm pretty sure she's not real. She said she was at the best western, I said the one on Arthur st, down on the water front she said yes that's the one. So that made it clear.

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I have notice that it happen more lately that some gents have extreme reactions to our refusal to see someone Guys bringing pictures of the sps and went to the front desk and gave her room number to get kick out,contacted the landlord of the building to give them unit and advertise lady. Info ,treaths of bad reviews,harassments,insults,try to book under other numbers names This type of behaviors have increase the past few years.. Almost like the clients has no fear and feel completely empower of not leaving us the choice..Which is scary I think it's part of any human being to dislike been decline services,intimate,well rejected however we all need to understand that in such circumstance it should be accepted and move on as it's usually for the best interest of both parties VJ

My rule of thumb is, if she advertises exclusively on BP, avoid her. If she advertises on BP and also a reputable source such as CERB, EC and/or P**B, then she's probably OK and may warrant my attention.

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Bottom line, don't try to save money on hotels. Go with well respected names that you can count on no matter what. Choose one or two , become members there are they will never let you down . As a lady that travels I want my hotel to reflect part of who I am and the sort of experience we are going to have. Walking in to a small room that is dingy is a huge turn off and will not attract the type of gentlemen I wish to visit with.

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Thanks for the reminder Lexy, us ladies will need to support each other as industry references no more then ever. Also, Hobbyist, you will need to learn NOT to ask about service details!!! No more chats and abbreviations. You are booking for time spent only. I have explained this to many of my loves, but even after explaining it, I am still being asked for details, it is frustrating that they wont use their imaginations. Like if we say " hour of our time is XX" then I get a responds that says " so what we sit around for an hour?" LIKE really?? How else can I say it while remaining legal and not incriminating you? I suppose these men will figure it out soon enough after asking me 10 times, what do we do for an hour?? LOL

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This is an interesting article regarding dignity and human rights in Bill C-36: http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/views-expressed/2014/07/does-bill-c-36-really-bestow-dignity-and-human-rights-upon-an

UPDATE: I'm delighted to announce that my article regarding Bill C-36 has now been published on an independent media site. You can find the link here: http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/views-expressed/2014/07/real-exploitation-sex-industry-its-distortion

The following Bloc members did not vote: André Bellavance Louis Plamondon The following Conservative members did not vote: John Baird Dean Allison Leona Aglukkaq Garry Breitkreuz Rod Bruinooge John Carmichael Tony Clement Barry Devolin Peter Kent Mike Lake Ryan Leef Andrew Scheer Bruce Stanton Maurice Vellacott The following Green Party members did not vote: Bruce Hyer The following Independent members did not vote: Brent Rathgeber The following Liberal members did not vote: Carolyn Bennett Gerry Byrne Irwin Cotler Judy Foote Chrystia Freeland Hedy Fry Ted Hsu Yvonne Jones Dominic LeBlanc John McCallum John McKay Massimo Pacetti Geoff Regan Judy Sgro Justin Trudeau The following NDP members did not vote: Malcolm Allen Charlie Angus Paulina Ayala Dennis Bevington Alexandre Boulerice Andrew Cash Chris Charlton David Christopherson Ryan Cleary Joe Comartin Don Davies Libby Davies Matthew Dubé Pierre-Luc Dusseault Claude Gravelle Dan Harris Sana Hassainia Carol Hughes Matthew Kellway Alexandrine Latendresse Megan Leslie Brian Masse Marc-André Morin Peggy Nash Jamie Nicholls Manon Perreault John Rafferty Jasbir Sandhu Craig Scott Peter Stoffer Mike Sullivan Glenn Thibeault Jonathan Tremblay The above list of people are the ones we need focus on to get them to vote NO to Bill C-36.

to me its simple - gay rights are human rights and society has embraced it even though we dont all agree or see eye to eye. as a society we have embraced pro-choice views on abortion, though we all dont agree or see eye to eye we see an inherit right of the woman who is pregnant to choose. Sex workers rights are human rights to and the same societal and government policies and views that support gay rights and pro choice should be the basis for this issue.

That bolded bit is exactly the kind of thinking that keeps this movement from getting anywhere. If clients actually spoke up, as a group, and said, we are not perverts--the sheer numbers of you would send a very strong message. And please don't take this the wrong way, but sex workers have a lot more to lose than you do--like our lives.

A few initial thoughts on this. Full disclosure: I've read Pivot's analysis of it, but not the bill itself (I've scanned the bill, and it's basically impossible to follow unless you're already familiar with existing legislation). Anyway... ...yes, it's bad, but I see no reason to panic. The sky is not falling, despite the government's wish to drop it on us. As Gia noted, this is not a final bill; it's an opening bid in a political process. Some provisions in there will be things the government really wants to make happen, but some will be stuff that's there purely to be negotiated away so that the government can claim they're being reasonable. Yes, the government has a majority... but negotiations will still take place and compromises will happen. An aside: given the government's current relations with the SCC, I can't help but wonder how much of this is less about sex work than Harper just wanting to deliver a solid "Fuck you" to the court. Obviously sex workers and their clients are just collateral damage here... On communication: it still talks about "any place", and the Internet (including email) is still not a "place". On advertizing: does the law prevent the hosting of ads, or just the placing of them? The former is completely unenforceable; contrary to what some others have said in this thread, anything outside of Canada is beyond the jurisdiction of Canadian courts, as are any servers physically located in another country and run by a non-Canadian company. So, to pick three more enlightened countries at random: if we set up cerb.de, hosted on servers in New Zealand by an Australian company, the courts here are powerless. And for those who disagree with me on that... think for a moment about Wikileaks. Think about Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald, and what they've published between them. Think about the stuff they've put online, and how much it has pissed off the most powerful and technologically advanced nation in the world... and on a subject far more important to The Powers That Be than sex work could ever become. Can they stop it? Can they shut those people down? Of course not, or they would have already done so. Given that, do you really think the Canadian government will be able to kill a board like this if it's hosted abroad, even if they were foolish enough to try? Now, if the placing of an ad is a crime... well, that's enforceable. But will LE have the resources and inclination to actually enforce it? Maybe, but that depends on the LE in question. And that only applies if ads stay the way they are today... if advertizing sexual services is illegal, then we simply do what's already common in the US: "Money exchanged is for time and companionship only (nudge, wink)." Problem solved: no sex advertized, no law broken. On the idea that this bill could kill the industry in Canada: well, I'm sure the government would love that to happen. But, really... look south. Even if this bill passed as written, the legal environment for sex work would still be less oppressive than that which exists in most of the US. Tell me, doom-mongers, are there no sex workers in the US? Are there no clients? And, bearing in mind the answers to those two questions, do you honestly think the industry will die here? It's called the Oldest Profession for a reason, and it's survived worse than this. Now, that's not to say there will be no effect at all. We may end up with a more US-like situation where providers have to be more careful about screening clients, and clients will have to be more careful about which ads they respond to, and newcomers on both sides of the fence will probably find it harder to get established. Some clients and providers may well be scared out of the industry, and it may decline in size as a result. But it will continue; I have no doubt about that. My gut feeling is that enforcement of whatever finally becomes law will, as today, be mostly aimed at street workers and their clients. Let's face it, this is about politics, and what drives politics is public opinion... and what drives public opinion is what the public sees. The man in the street probably doesn't know that the nice lady in the apartment upstairs is a sex worker, and therefore he won't complain to either LE or his MP about her; he's going to complain about the lady in the short skirt on a street corner, never mind the fact that she's just a random person meeting a friend for a night out and not a sex worker at all. Finally: as many have noted, this is all obviously going to be struck down by the SCC on the same grounds as last time, provided we can get plaintiffs for a test-case (or maybe two; it strikes me you'd need one case for the laws aimed at clients, and one for the laws aimed at providers). Sure, most people won't want the publicity... but it only needs one or two courageous and determined individuals. And a decade.

I find these kinds of threads about BBBJ really irritating. Not because conversation about shared intimacies and health matters shouldn't be had, but because of how talk about sucking dick quickly shifts into the 'politic of the ick' (a term coined by sexologist Carol Queen). I will speak for myself. I love making out, I love having my pussy licked, I love sucking cock, alot of the time BBBJs and CIM (oh yeah baby), and, yet I do not identify as a PSE at all. Not a meaningful term to me. I'm GFE all the way. I do not make clients wear a dental dam to give me oral, and I do not put saran on my face when playing tonsil hockey. There are plenty of service providers, including popular and highly reviewed SPs who do not do BBBJ (understandable, and a very personal decision), but the idea of being concerned over providers 'being compelled' to provide BBBJs, and then omitting the way we normalize and by and large broadly accept DFK and DATY as meaningful and commonly provided services inherent to the work, (providing GFE), is problematic. Assessing the risks, negotiating the fun to be had, and getting regular health checks including throat swabs is a must. Let's not turn all SPs into victims of risky clients, and let's focus on empowering workers to enjoy working conditions where they can refuse work they deem unsafe....not to mention increasing access to non-stigmatizing STI health screening, and ongoing education. Signed, Cum lover

Please wear deodorant...pretty please! While we as individuals think we all smell nice or acceptable, that may not always be true. If you see an SP and expect to have a good encounter, please make sure that nothing is going to come in between that. As SPs, we are only responsible to a certain degree. If a client isn't smelling fresh, it's definitely going to affect the outcome of an encounter. With all due respect, as for not wearing deodorant and thinking you're not going to smell? Ask someone else that and see what their response is...

I personally bring a travel size or a spre bottle with me all the time. In my briefcase.....in my car.....in my desk.....and especially when going on encounters. I make sure i apply enough to mask and not too much to be offensive to the lady when i step out of her shower. Posted via Mobile Device

I completely concur. In this day and age when we, at least in the west, have been bombarded with ads promoting soaps and other hygiene products, I find it absolutely incredible that men and women still wander about smelling like neanderthals. It's not that difficult. Shower. Anti-perspirant. Clean clothes. Repeat. If you have to give a shirt the "nose test" you are doing it wrong. CLEAN clothes. Same goes for the boxers, briefs, or thong. Wear it once. Put it in the laundry hamper and keep it there until it has been laundered. In a world where YMMV prevails, you sure as hell don't want to be left curbside when you have a Ferrari waiting for you. Stinky is not sexy... and that Ferrari wants to be driven by a sexy person. ;)

ignorance and intolerance - I can't stand it but I don't know why