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I find it interesting that there is so much confusion and fear that most people are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees, so to speak. As was said, so eloquently by Fortunateone, there never used to be menus and some sites still don't allow it. The biggest problem I see as I read posts and reviews and such is clients that have gotten lazy and complacent and frankly, some who are too worried about specifics. I don't understand how they can enjoy any encounter or this hobby, period. For me, it has never been about specific details but about two people enjoying the moment and going with the flow. It's not always perfect but then again what is. However, more often than not, it becomes a great sensual, sexual experience for both of us. Now maybe my maturity has something to do with it. Yes,I am paying out a good amount of my hard earned cash to be with a lady but that does not mean and never should mean that it is all about me. As for ads and websites, it really isn't that hard to read between the lines and understand what is coming. Guys need to quit looking at ads worrying about bbbj/ cbj and all the other acronyms. It's really not so much about the "what" as opposed to the ability of the SP to read signals and react to maximize the pleasure. Her skill is far more important than what she offers, Honestly, I hope that all you ladies continue to thrive in this industry and that the fellows out there take the time to understand and appreciate the great thing we have here in this hobby. If we all treat this as mutually beneficial without expecting too much, we will all continue to enjoy ourselves and the details will seem less important as we go along. We are all adults, after all.And like RG , I too, take the time to actually read your websites and posts and whatever else so I can be as good as a client as you are as a SP.

I've always hated those asking me "what they are going to get for their money". I am not the sum of bj+daty+intercourse=me/$. Sorry, but I'm a feminist at heart. I am much more then that. I'm taking the stance that my reputation speaks for itself. There are those that have met me, know I know how to rock their world. So, I will not discuss specifics anymore. What I do with one guy, might not work with the next. So, they can see me on my terms. If they need specifics, they need to move on. I'm willing to loose out, to see those that understand we as women are not the sum of our parts. Would a first time blind date on pof ask ahead what they are going to get at the end of the date? Of course not. He can hope, dream, but at the end of the day, ymmv. So i suggest your recos, stories, titles work better. Guys need to read between the lines. If they need to be spoon fed, they need to go back to preschool. Look at USA sites. How do they advertise. Take your cues from them. I am taking this opportunity to market myself the way I want. I no longer let clients make me put myself in a position of having to promise something I am not sure I want to provide. It's like the guy who wants daty, and shows up with a full blown beard that's stubble. It's not fun, and if I promised it ahead of time, how do I now say no? Guys that know me, know I'm a greedy slut to good daty, but if it's crappy, why would I want to continue? So, I've said it before. I'm not worried. I'm not the one who is in danger of being arrested. The guys are the ones that need to change how they choose. I'm going to continue rocking the world of those that seek me out. Just taking back my power in this dynamic.

Your advertising should reflect you and the more descriptive words the better. "Money is being exchanged for time or time and companionship". While I don't know what type of dates you offer, the following is a suggestion: Wild, adventurous and Intense could be used to describe a hot pse style date. Sensual, romantic, and gentle could be used for a gfe style date. Put the word safe anywhere in there and you have a safe gfe date. Basically a visually descriptive paragraph describing you and the time together, more is better in this case for what you write. It is about getting people to read between the lines, yet being clear so they get it. I suggest, start with the highlights about you and then get more visually descriptive as you start writing about the date you offer. Think about your best asset and go from there. Once you start writing it does get easier. I hope this helps. xoxo Emily

<p><p>I agree with Meaghan. It just means no longer calling ladies on the fly especially the unknown ones. While there has always been a risk of meeting SPs that aren't well known, do your research ad they used to do in the early days of review boards. If you feel leery of someone advertising that you don't know and can't get any legitimate Intel on them through reviews, other members then steer clear. New ladies have to start somewhere at some point but it will be up to them to prove they are reputable, not shady or law enforcement. The best way to know a client or SP isn't law enforcement is to engage in a hug or kiss upon arrival or ask them to get more comfortable by taking off their clothes. LE will NEVER engage in any these things. Always place the donation on the table and then proceed. Money is not exchanging hands and do not discuss anything sexual until you are both naked and physical contact has been made. This is how I used to do things as a new SP and still do.</p>

I think the 'pm for more details' regarding me is about my weight/size. Stating the truth about me in respectful terms is fine. I am a larger lady. I don't deny this. I feel like the 'pm me for more details' makes things seem shady. I am sure rivercityboy is just complying with the board rules. Much respect to him :) I just wanted to clear any up any questions :) PS: thank you for the review :)

I've never posted a list of services, and never posted rates for such services. The closest i've ever gotten was on a more permissive escort ad site where i put down what I do not provide, such as bbbjs, quickies for example. sps never used to post ads with menus, it would be considered against the law for the longest time, misinterpreted as public solicitation, and correctly interpreted as admission of an illegal bawdy house (INCALLs), and we got along just fine until the internet and the less informed advdertisers started up with complete menus, options, times/rates, etc. it has gotten to the point that sps without menus/rates/times would be penalized by certain types of clients for making them make a phone call to ask about the rates lol. so they don't call anyone without the info. i am waiting to see what those types of control freaks are going to do in the future if all advertisers go under the assumption that posting services in ads are forbidden. The conflict here is that it would not be illegal to post all that info, as an sp you can advertise your own sexual services. The confusion is running towards what effect doing so could potentially have on clients who contact your ad. Realistically, I can't see any enforcement policies that could possibly be applied to take your ad and link it to a certain client in order to charge him with something. However, the common consensus is that it will or could be, therefore the clients are warned to only contact sps who do not post this info in their ads, and do not discuss such info in text or emails. In any event, i won't change what i have been doing with advertising, because as i say i have never done that in the first place. Also, when you consider some ad sites, that info is not allowed anyway, so just use something like your back page ad as your guide.

When I first began as an escort there was none of this menu b.s. Clients were actually interested in the mystique surrounding the SP. Services were still important but was secondary. Most did their research on review boards and perhaps a few exchanges between a member who had seen the SP and the person wanting to meet her. Most SPs had websites and invested in themselves where marketing and advertising was concerned. This is where things have changed. As someone else mentioned many have become complacent with the fact that al they have to do is look up a classified ad where in a lot of cases it is all laid out. In the early days hobbyists took more time and invested in seeing an SP including paying higher fees. There were no singular acts or get in and get out service where services are heavily focused on. This is where things have changed. It is no longer about companionship for many. In a lot of respects and coming from a seasoned SP, without a menu SPs who are were used to having one are going to have to focus more on selling companionship and not so much the services they offer. We as SPs are literally going to be selling ourselves and not through the types of services we offer. Expect to invest more in website and advertising. They are going to have to explain to potential clients why they should visit them. It's time to get creative. If an SP can do this, they will be able to adapt to the various changes this industry will go through. Posted via Mobile Device

Quite honestly., from your comments now and before, I would say your gf does not have the necessary tools to deal with stress and overwhelm and her reaction is to shut down everything that is not a priority at the moment. . including you. It Doesnt mean she Doesnt love you or want to be with you, it simply means that when theses times hit you go on the back Burner until it passes. You have to decide whether the other times are worth these times and whether you can handle not being ab priority at these points. As was said, this is something that, at this point, is out of her hands. Maybe you can help her find someone to teach her how to better handle these situations without freaking out and shutting Down. Only you can decide what it is all worth to you and how much you can deal with. Good luck!

I enjoy a good game of chess, so when I read about high-quality people planning several steps ahead, I like it. Kudos ... Here's a brief overview as to my background in case it's relevant to what I'd like to contribute: I've done my share of escorting work south of the US-Canada border, and several of my friends are colleagues; a close friend recently got "busted" by the local sex police. Her experience has convinced me that it's not a process I want to personally experience. That's why, when I work in the US, I'm so legally cautious that my clients' feedback reassures me that I'm one of the most cautious girls they've engaged. That includes clients who work in, ironically, law enforcement -- yet pay for my services. Here's a made-up story to illustrate the point I'm about to make: two acquaintances are out camping in the woods. They wake up, barefoot and in their pajamas, just in time to see a couple of cute grizzly bear cubs coming toward their tent. Beyond them, in the middle distance, is the mama bear, on the warpath, charging towards them. One of the guys hastily starts putting on his shoes. The other guy looks at him, puzzled, and says, "what are you doing? You know that even a grown man can't outrun a bear. The bear is faster." The first guy replies: "I don't have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun YOU." The story illustrates my central point: if C36 passes, law enforcement is probably going to allocate a finite amount of time, energy and enthusiasm to arresting SPs and/or their clients. It's unlikely that they're going to spend months laying an elaborate trap for one brilliantly crafty girl as if she were a mastermind cat burglar who's already stolen the Crown jewels twice over. My guess it that they'll go after low-hanging fruit, with all the lack of enthusiasm that good law enforcement officers show for bad laws. Many of them, I'm clear, are aware how unjust laws like C36 (if it passes) are. They'll enforce such laws because they'll be instructed to, not out of a sense of zeal. My guess is that an informal minimum-quota system will drive the process. Hawaii is a good example. There are many violent criminals there and the Honolulu police relish being an effective counterforce. An annoying distraction for them is that they're also tasked with enforcing Hawaiian anti-prostitution laws. The numbers speak for themselves. Officially, the Honolulu PD is on board with enforcing anti-prostitution laws. But, a watchdog group analysed the statistics and found that out of 25,000 arrests that the Honolulu PD made in a particular context, maybe 7 of them were for breaking anti-prostitution laws, and the majority of these seven arrests occurred on a weekday night but before midnight. To me, that smacks of lack of enthusiasm, and I'm all for this sort of passive resistance by law enforcement, when it comes to bad laws. Nevada law enforcement, and much of the entire State of Nevada bureaucratic structure, works on the same informal premise. Clueless activists push unprincipled or misguided politicians to pass dumb laws. It happens. Even so, we all have lives to live, so let's see how we can minimize the impact that these dumb laws have, and let's try to allocate the time and energy of Nevada law enforcement to catching actual "bad guys" like bank robbers, guys who beat up their girlfriends or wives, etc. For example, when I'm in Nevada, I cheerfully drive 10 mph above the legal speed limit on freeways. I'm there often enough, and yet I haven't gotten a speeding ticket in maybe 15 years -- and when I did it was due to exceeding this "margin" -- a margin informally suggested to me by a kind State of Nevada Highway Patrol officer. Good advice, that. As I zoom along at 70+10 = 80 mph and I get passed by folks doing 90+ I'm pretty sure that they're going to get pulled over, and sure enough, I tend to be prophetic as such. Reno, NV is a good example. While I was there, there was a very recent much-publicized bust. As I understand the story (I didn't see the actual newspaper) a half-dozen clients' names and pictures were posted on the front page of the local newspaper, along with the names and pictures of the one or two service providers who were arrested. Most of Reno culture is very open-minded and the moral taint from being "outed" is pretty close to zero unless the person is a pastor or politician. Cynically, I think the real reason the Reno PD is working so closely with the newspaper and enabling the press to run the story up the flagpole is that this assuages the peanut gallery of zealous conservatives who pushed for these laws in the first place. When they see the newspaper, these folks are then convinced that the cops are "doing what they're supposed to be doing" because, the "proof" is right there, plus the conservative also gets the bonus of feeling Schadenfreude. As a consequence of all this, the mayor's office for a while doesn't get lobbied to "do something," the police chief doesn't get ordered to "do something," and the folks in blue don't get told to "do something" because the conservative lobby needs their pound of flesh yet again. So, for a while, the Reno PD can get on with focusing on catching the actual bad guys, which they do very well when they're left free to do that. Back to Canada: unless the government appoints a rabid and misguided C36 enforcement task force with the zeal and moral blindness of the Spanish Inquisition, my guess is that a few of the most careless SPs and clients in the business will get arrested in highly publicized events to fill quotes and appease the people who pushed for these laws. The rest of us will do business as usual as long as we're careful enough, meaning: if we avoid being the "low-hanging fruit" for law enforcement. Using my friend as an example, she hosted a hugely publicized New Year's Eve event with her as the center of ten guys' attentions, meaning she sold sexual services blatantly in a Bible Belt US state. The fact that she didn't use condoms, is a t-girl and looks like a mix between a beauty queen and a porn starlet ... that probably contributed to the publicity. One of the guys spilled the beans, a spouse lodged a vociferous complaint with the local PD and they sent out a stooge to bust her. My friend has a different alcohol and drug policy than I do, so during the bust, she was inebriated and hopped up on cocaine, so her mental defenses were totally down. Plus she was 20 at the time, and basically considered herself as able to get away with anything and everything. She admits to me that she was extremely careless at the time of her arrest. So, in practical terms, what the C36 law (if it passes) will probably end up punishing, really, is: carelessness.

There has been a lot of discussion about this. Plain and simple, no advertising of sexual services. Hobbyists will not be able to ask for sexual services. Time and companionship only. We advertise as escorts, massage attendants, dancers, bathing suit models etc. Get your atf contact info saved safely. Ask if she is available to see you at such and such time. No discussion of services. Stay away from new kids on the block unless she has been verified by others. Have fun, the sky is not falling.

Well, I WOULD have been in Ottawa tonight on my way through to see my daughter. But a bout of flu forced me to cancel plane reservations. THAT seat sale cost me a bundle! LOL The good news though is that once I'm 100% I'll be driving up and therefore I will be on my own schedule. So that is my highlight and I can look forward to getting better!!!!!!!!!!! :)

To be honest, I wasn't expecting much in the way of positive response to my question (more something along the lines of; "The answers are all here! Do your research!"), so this is more than I'd hoped for! Thank you all for your replies - they are much appreciated. :) Time for some slow and considered decisions, methinks.

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go see your lucky day..she's on bp & also here under lucydiamonds? pm if you want...

One thing, it shouldn't be hard, or you'd think it wouldn't be hard, for existing ladies and gentlemen to adapt. Unless you've stuck your head in the sand, everyone here knows about C36 and it's ramifications to this lifestyle. But we should all be able to adapt, and enjoy this lifestyle as we have before It is the ladies and gentlemen who want to start in this lifestyle post-C36 that will need to learn. Ladies need to learn they offer time and companionship and gentlemen need to look for companionship. Terms like sex provider, prostitute, hooker etc can't be used. Terms like escort, companion are used. And absolutely no mention of sex for money This lifestyle exists in the United States where prostitution is for the most part illegal, it will still continue on...well unless the government plans to add saltpeter to food LOL A rambling RG

Hi! I'm new to the site... kind of. I've relied on Cerb for a while now as a silent non-member. I found the five or six views was sufficient for many years but I think being an active participant is long overdue as are recommendations for some of the great people I've met via this site. Allan.

I learned (well taught by a certain lady ;-) )early in my newbie days that seeing ladies was not about the sum total of menu items she offers...it was about the companionship a lady provides. In fact most of the ladies I see now do not even have a menu of services. And I don't even ask about the lady's menu (if she has one) when booking a date. There is so much more to a date with a lady Whatever happens in an encounter is private, and unfolds naturally, not to a prearranged script This has been my experience and dating life with professional companions since learning there is much much more to seeing ladies than the sum total of her menu (if she has a menu) And this is pre C36 That said, all of us, SP's and Clients alike know about C36 and it's restrictions. But contrary to MacKay's delusion this lifestyle will continue. Offer time and companionship as an escort. But not as sex provider, prostitute well you get the idea. No discussion of sex for money, or is that money for sex It's means changing practices. But what happens privately, well that's no one's business but yours and your client's. The ones who adapt will continue on in this lifestyle, those that can't adapt, they're the ones who may find trouble with C36 A rambling for what it's worth from a client who reads lady's websites ;-) RG

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1183056-an-act-to-amend-the-criminal-code-in-response-to.html It's bad guys. Really bad.

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Fun! Even if I counted the almost year that I took off from Cerb you still have a longer membership than I. Not too many early morning coffee buddies on here besides you. :) Thanks for that and other things. :)

Happy CERB Anniversary and hopefully many more to come :) xoxo

I too went into a little panic when CERB was down, for me, about a day and a half. How to talk when its down?

Because sex for money will become illegal A lady's website needs to post her rates. Nothing illegal about paid companionship, being an escort and so on But being a prostitute, sex provider, hooker etc, those are ladies advertising sexual services for money. That will be illegal And gentlemen seeking to buy sexual services are going to be breaking the law Not only are ladies' websites going to need to be changed, emails/texts/phone calls to and from companions are going to have to be changed, no mention AT ALL of sex for money At least that's my take on it RG

Thanks... a fair assessment! I'm greener than the Hulk, but just as enthusiastic.... if a little less impetuous. ;) There's a lot of good advice on here, so I'm soaking it all up like a sponge. I'm not going to make a move until I'm saturated. :P

I think it's best to ask sooner, rather then later. Most fetish provider state ahead of time they are fetish friendly. Start with them first. You can also ask in your area for recos on fetish providers, stating the type of fetish you are seeking. Good luck!

I sounds like your new to the "hobby"? If so, I can tell you that I spent A LOT of time reading these boards and researching before I had my first encounter. Yes, some just jump in head first, but others are like me...and you sound like that as well. :) Long story short, don't be afraid to spend some time getting to know how things work, and who the people are, before setting up an appointment. And, questions generally aren't a problem, of course, we help when we can. :) Good luck...

Its nothing like PayPal. Some of the main reasons it has achieved its success so far is due to lack of limitations of use and the anonymity of it. If it became accepted, I would use it in a heartbeat. No records and no dealing with hard cash.

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Didn't notice a Warnings Section for Niagara Falls but you may wish to also post in the Canada Wide section http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=198 After all what are fake photos for except for Bait & Switch Good Luck RG

I personally have had this happen years ago and it's not fun. I would contact the girl herself and let her know she's busted, but that's just me. Might make her think twice about doing it again... I love how she writes that her photos are real....Ya, they are real enough just not pics of HER! ha. Sorry this happened to you.

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You can write anyone you want but the bottom line is once this passes both houses of parliament it will become the new law. The governor general will not do anything to hold it up. Just my Opinion

The answer to that one is easy: Yes.

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I am watching the funeral service for Cpl. Nathan Cirillo. :(

Do you think that this bill will affect escort agencies (ie mgf) the way it will affect indies?

Whatever happens, isn't it great knowing we have this hobby to fall back on? I think it's our duty to enlighten more men about this lifestyle choice. On the other hand, I think it's spoiled the fuck out of me because I can't be bothered to even consider dating anymore, and I'm not even that old and ugly yet.

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For Petawawa/Pembroke area I would recommend Dorinda. She is beautiful, a very sexy classy lady! Her website is Pembroke playmate. You wont be disappointed

for the two pms, can I also ask for the recomendations? Thanks

Well said Angela! Took the words out of my mouth:) I can also reiterate, that perhaps you are asking too many questions of a personal nature with her? I too, get very uncomfortable with that, and it could cause a small wedge between us. Keep conversation fun and lively, with humor and yes some serious chats is intriguing as well. But if you begin to dive into her personal relationship questions, such as " well doesn't he mind that you do this? Or " how to hide it from your kids?" well it would defiantly a loss of romance and adventure for the lady. One element many men miss, is that most ladies, when preparing for our date we switch into out alter ego. Much like an actor would. I call it " Sophiafied" lol...So by getting into deep personal questions, I loose my alter ego and get into my "me" mode and then I find it difficult to jump back into the sexy, seductive creature that I created for "Sophia" It is not a lie of who we are, but a more pronounced version of our sexy side. Another aspect to be an escort, is that for the most part we are givers by nature. This means, we much rather you spill your stress and worries on us if you need to talk about things in your life that are upsetting for you. Often lending an ear and shoulder if needed. I have had many of my dear clients unload their worries on me. Some heartbroken and shed a tear. But as a professional, I would never do this to a client. Never would I unload my inner most vulnerabilities. Because, we are here for YOU, you are the center of our attention and focus during our time together. So why do we all that? Well for my ownself, I truly love my work, and although "Sophia" is an alter ego, she is still another version of who the real me is. So in staying true to my real self being a giver it is not just a façade. I have a friend, the poor guy is so sweet and nice but always becomes the "friend or just like a brother" from most ladies he meets. But you see, when he meets ladies he wants to dive into their ways of thinking. Becoming like a confidant to them, helping them threw issues.....then before you know it, he missed the mark on when to make the move on them, and now is viewed" oh your just like a brother to me". So as you can see it also can happen in the "real world" too. But in our professional mutually beneficial escort relations, it can happen much more quickly to loose that moment. And that's when you begin to feel like your being "used" or vis versa. There certainly times, even with a good provider that chemistry just doesn't seem to be there. Not much can be done about that but try to enjoy the time and move on. And certainly there are providers that will make you feel like just a wallet rather then a man, that is a live and learn scenario. Maybe think of it this way, when you book time with a lady, think of it as your "man's spa day". It is just a retreat for you to treat yourself. Nothing more then a way to relax and have that human contact.

A sculpture in Paris It's inspired by the shape of a Christmas Tree, apparently. It's definitely not a 25-foot-high buttplug. Okay? Here's another one of his works...

I would give her some space. See where things go...

Layah would quite enjoy it. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=76243 http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=188451 And she talks about it right away on her blog: http://layahleroux.tumblr.com/

I worked for an Agency once and it sure didnt take me long to figure out that I was being sent out randomly. I was sent to see a client at a hotel who had pre-book a blond girl named such and such and I arrived not the blond girl who was refereed to him by a previous client. it was maybe the 3rd call I had taken from the agency so while I was in the room with him I called the agency and told them what he told me. they acted like they didnt know what hes talking about, she then tells me to pretend im the girl he pre-booked after knowing perfectly well he knows im definitely not her!! I was outraged I left and quit right there. I couldn't believe the agency's complete lack of respect not only for us but for them as well. Indy girls are by far the best way to go.