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All the more reason I wish and try to get people to enquire without explicit details! Eventho these operations tend to be only for the car date situations, its wise to stop asking for this and that! When we say romance time, cuddles, social engagement... Please use some imagination! Baseline is. It is illegal for you clients to soliciting sexual service! We sell our hosting and time only! Stop criminalizing yourselves! We dont like to answer these question to KEEP YOU SAFE. There I said it ...I feel better!

The owners of Fantasy World Escorts will be staging what amounts to the first real challenge of C-36. Instead of being heard in London Ontario where the alleged offenses occurred, the case will be moved to another venue sometime in early 2019. The agency owners are challenging the advertising and material benefit provisions of the law. In other words, if the sale of sex is legal, then does it make sense to prohibit third party advertisements and third party profiting where those selling said service are essentially employees of said business? I must admit I’m not that familiar with the workings of the courts or the interpretation of law in Canada. My question is, if these two aspects of the law are found to be unconstitutional, would it mean that only these tenets will be stuck down, still leaving the purchase of sexual services illegal, or by extension, might the judge go further and strike down C-36 in its entirety? An interesting topic for discussion and debate...

I had a rendezvous with Leyla today and it was absolutely amazing. She is a gorgeous french girl with blue eyes and curly blond hair, absolutely amazing. Slim and well proportioned body, full lips - this lady got the looks. Leyla said that she's 22 and I absolutely believe her. The pictures ARE real and recent. She has great skills and she is not a clock watcher. I paid extra for GFE and that is what I got. A well mannered and respectful girl, she seemed a little shy in the beginning, but became much more open at the end of the session. Leyla mentioned that she visits Kingston regularly. I did see her ads on leolist before, but I thought it was just another bait&switch -the pictures were too good :) I had a great time ad will definitely see Leyla again when she visits Kingston next. P.S. I know I did a few reviews in a row, but I am not here to market anyone - I am just enjoying my first free summer in Kingston ;)

Fully agree, but I seem to recall that when C-36 was drafted, the Conservatives were deliberately conflating human trafficking with consensual sex work. To curry favour with the voting public, the government ostensibly made the claim that C-36 was needed to combat human trafficking, pimps and the like. However, I distinctly remember that those in favour of full decriminalization posited that such a draconian law was unnecessary, as anti trafficking laws already exist for this express purpose. In other words, sex workers, agencies and patrons involved in the non-coercive sector of the adult entertainment industry should be allowed to operate freely, while existing laws governing human trafficking would protect the vulnerable. Did I miss something there?

I was not going to come back into this thread, but............ After some careful reflection, and even though my opinion has not changed, I will offer my apologies to those in this thread and to the OP for my overly enthusiastic methods in this debate.

Salutations Gentlemen, Here is a bit about myself, I am an Irish, Canadian born in Quebec. You might never meet another GF E like me again,I will make you live the moment like you never have before.I am smart and fun, I love to laugh, I am gentle and seductive in ways that will leave you breathless. If you treat me right,I will make you feel like a king. I am 43 which means I am young enough to try just about anything once and old enough to do it well. Curly dark auburn hair , My eyes are a shade of hazel that will keep changing and enchanting you. My figure will remind you of the old pinup girls with a 36d top and curvy hips that beg to be held on to. I am a sweet 5'5 tall. Candles burn warmly and soft music plays just waiting...... for you? Time Spent With Me 120 roses/half hour, all moved in special 100 200 roses/hour, 300 roses/hour and half, all moved in special 270 380 roses/2hours Cerb Members Special Massage Rate: 100 roses/half hour 140 roses/45 min 160 roses/1 hour Thank You and mmmmm I look foward to hearing from you. Jolie XoX 613-513-9294

Holy ... sugar! OK then. Enough. Please, stay out of this. Really sorry escorts get bullied. Really sorry women get bullied. Man, life really sucks. It's so so hard! We ALL deal with "sugar" ( sorry for the silly expression - don't want to be accused of bad language again). Stop feeling sorry for yourself!! Anyhow, the key point here is communication. I screwed up using poorly chosen words that were interpreted incorrectly. I also screwed up because I was ignorant and didn't know the protocol. I also hate the written word in this situation and wish the escorts wouldn't rely so heavily on text only. Speaking to a person over the phone can clear up almost everything!

Important discussion got hyjacked. I think a lot of over eager phone calls and messages wanting too much information over phone or email or text that most of us realize should be left between the lines if you don’t want to risk the regular fee on a chance that you won’t get the extra then just go to a sure thing place. Too much chitter chatter will reck the hobby

Leyla is as advertised, especially visually. She looks amazing and a great smile. As most reviews state, she is rather shy at first. I find this a bit of a struggle as I'm a novice in this field and need someone to help kick things off. She had great lips, a fantastic firm bottom and was really tight. It didn't take long before she had me blow my top. Unfortunately I booked an hour and I'm usually only good for one shot. Since it was an out call to my place, I had her join me in my hot tub and we chatted. She's very sweet and innocent. By the time she was ready to leave, she had opened up a lot. I think additional visits is where things would improve that initial shy hump.

That’s Jenna, she is great, young sweet no bs kinda girl, been around for a while now

Searching the phone number I found this https://www.escortwiz.ch/phone/9027016227. Its the same pictures being used from January, most providers seem to add at least 1 or 2 new pictures over this time but its always been the same for this number it seems.

I've definitely seen those photos before, but I think the name was Jessica at the time and there was a thread from a couple of weeks ago about her

Very true, although I find that’s the case with a lot of newer members - ask for info but yet don’t make an effort to contribute in a meaningful way to the board. I realize that’s a gross generalization and not indicative of everyone. However, I find myself pining for the days when Lyla (then known as Cerb) was a lot more active in terms of its members and overall posting/participation and dissemination of information. Granted, I’m well aware that the new laws had a lot to do with this. Many of the long time members have gone inactive, which is a shame. Although that said, we can all do our part to add to the vibrancy of our little community here... 😊

So, yeah. That bit in bold is the problem. Sounds like the OP was just trying to say he's a bit uncomfortable with it, and the provider took it as a refusal/cancellation. He could have been clearer, and she could have asked for clarification before bailing. Now, let's all stop being pissy, learn a small lesson about clear communication, and move along, shall we? Except for people who *really* want the last word, who won't.

I do occasional outcalls.. Imo communiacation from both is required .. and all scenarios must be covered.. must times if I dont know whether I can just go up to the room without an elevator key I ask in advance.. so if they need to come and meet is spoken in before hand... I much rather just keep going up.to the room than having to wait around in the lobby... to be honest I ve learned in this business you have to be clear and upfront from the beginning... and guys please dont take this in the wrong way but most guys dont really think about what is required for a date.. and how to be prepared for many situations.... (less they have already gone through it) us as service providers.. just like in any Customer service position need to be prepared and ready.. and she could have given some reason as to why she required the lobby meeting... I think if he tried some communication afterwards she should have at least answer.. maybe the situation could have been fixed...

Well that was an interesting afternoon coffee break. Let’s at least hope one good lesson learned comes from all this. Two adults should be able to communicate to each other prior to meeting wether to meet in the lobby or the room. This could have been easily avoided.

LMAO My bad attitude??? My negative issues??? Really??? That is a joke right?!? I am judging you based on your very own comments on this thread. I don't know you from Adam and I don't know the SP in question so kinda only have your word to go on. LOL Sweetie - I don't do outcalls to hotel where this is an issue for me. LOL. I am not getting stood up in the lobby and I am not the one who is coming here asking if I was wrong and then having a problem when someone is telling me yes. Look at your own attitude. I think it is laughable that you actually feel you are being "forced" to get/provide a place.... please... Did someone note my opinion earlier on your entitled attitude???? Hmmmm think I called that one pretty good clearly. LOL No one forced you to do anything. You chose to contact her. Not the other way around. You have yet to show where it is her "protocol" to be escorted. You fully admit that you didn't even get that far because she shut you down. You don't know why she needed you to get her from the lobby. But we know you got scared and declined. Therefore you did indeed chicken out of the appointment. She arrived, she was ready, she was there - YOU are the one that stopped it. For YOUR own reasons. Therefore YOU wasted her time and with how hard you are fighting agains this here, it is clear to anyone reading that there is no way you were going to offer her compensation. To be honest, I would love to hear her side. I don't think I am off the mark on her feelings regarding the matter. I would love to know if she did think you were playing games. It is known to happen with outcalls a lot. I didn't say that is what you were doing however. Just that she probably thought that and decided to cut her losses then. Point is - you asked a question, I and other ladies gave you an answer. All of us said the same thing. It is normal to collect the girl from the lobby and you were wrong not to do so thereby canceling the appointment to which the SP was out time and money. Don't like the answer - don't ask the question. But don't start labeling me with issues because YOU got paranoid. And there is nothing wrong with being fearful in this industry. Just own it first of all and second - don't waste other people's time because of it. Find companionship somewhere else if you can't handle the fear and risk associated with this industry. Anyway, I am good. You won't agree because you don't like the answer so I am cool to simply agree to disagree. Sorry you didn't get the validation you were looking for, but whatevs ... that's life Moving on now ...

Why are you assuming that the SP had this "protocol"? She didn't continue with the client after he said no. He asked her but she stopped replying. In my opinion, I would have stopped replying too. Sorry but he booked the appointment, he admits she showed up 10mins early even, so there shows some of her professionalism. He declined to come get and then started asking all the questions about how's and whys. It would have been clear to me as it was probably clear to her that this appointment was not happening so why waste more time on text back and forth? We have been through this game a couple of times before with men. We are quite use to the game playing which is what it would have appeared like to the SP. So we react quickly and shut it down fast. He booked, he chickened out, his paranoia but she was wrong?????? Ok. Sorry but I just can't get behind that. No one is saying being wrong is a bad thing. You learn from your mistakes and that is how he learns but he doesn't seem to want to. He wants to be told that it is her fault and he did not thing wrong. He even knows that is not the case, hence why he is fighting it so hard. He just wants verbal validation and we, as SPs, just can't give him that on this. Picking up in the lobby is a normal thing and done very often. Which was one of his questions and the other, was he wrong? Yes he was. He shouldn't be booking if he is that freaked out about that laws first and foremost. Secondly - he should have got her from the lobby. He wasted her time, set back her income quota and personally seems to be acting entitled to the moon, the stars and the sun all at the same time. Doesn't work like that. Sorry. BTW - you all know the protocol in a massage when the flip comes. Pretty sure that didn't need to be explicitly communicated before hand. Some things just don't need to be communicated, like don't waste a ladies time and if you do, be respectful enough to compensate her when you screw her over for your own personal reasons. Which is the biggest place he is wrong in all this. Not just going to the lobby.

This is the reason why when you are visiting a sp at her hotel or vice versa, you must look like you belong in that establishment. I'm sure it's their job to make sure that not anybody can come in and use the bathroom, find a place to rest in the lobby because it's warm or cool in the summer...etc. So pretend that you are going to your room or waiting on someone in the lobby and things will be fine.

I’ve met female family members, professional colleagues, friends and sp’s in hotel lobbies. How can you tell who I’m meeting? You can’t. Hotel lobbies are busy places with people coming, goIng and yes, meeting/greeting each other. Take some time to watch a desk clerk. I’ve never seen one scanning the lobby. They’re pretty busy checking people in/out, answering the phone, talking to guests, checking info on their computers and coordinating work with other staff. We don’t live in a Soviet style police state where your every move is watched by somebody who will be rewarded as an informant. Your coming and going is really not interesting. You won’t draw any attention unless you’re causing a public disturbance. Greet your sp warmly, exchange a few pleasantries and then move along to the elevators. I’ve never been in a Holiday Inn that required key card access to the elevators and I’m assuming that the one you were in didn’t require it. I don’t know why this sp wanted to meet you in the lobby first. I assume it was just part of her final gut check/verification before going upstairs with you. She’s at infinitely more risk of violence from a client than you are of being arrested. If she felt the need to see you in a public lobby first, be a nice confident guy and go along with her request.

I have a fabulous opportunity to play in Fredericton. I also have some fabulous ladies to play with too. This opportunity won't last forever, so prebooking is strongly suggested.

She may not have known until arriving. She could have been stopped by staff. We don't know her side so that is a bit of an assumption on your part regarding her involvement and knowedlge. Personally I would have insist on a phone call and maybe change to meeting at the store down the street and then walking into together or opening a back door but I am going to assume based on the OPs telling that he just texted her back and said no to the lobby straight out and canceled the visit. The SP at that point has no choice really but to leave and without compensation or fault of hers.

Actually, the new laws make it completely legal for her and at that point, you have done nothing illegal unless you were silly/stupid enough to ask intimate questions via text or email. You simply contracted her company and meeting her in the lobby is not illegal. The law isn't rocket science, don't discuss details except in person and all is well... smiles, cat

(The ladies reading this.....) "...so help me, if someone recommends me in this thread...." 😝

There are also many well established providers that advertise on LeoList that choose not to verify their pictures for various reasons. Therefore, you can't assume that if they don't have verified pictures they are not reputable providers. As Meaghan McLeod said, you still have to do your research.

For goodness sake, people! If you can't remember the name or contact method you used the last time you dealt with someone, don't expect her to be able to find you in her crystal ball. This morning, someone texted me from a number my phone didn't recognize and gave me a name that didn't appear anywhere on my ledger or calendar, except attached to other people who aren't him. At first, he insisted he'd seen me in 2017. I have no evidence of that. Then he says he knows I'm not taking any new business, but would I happen to feel like taking a chance on him? Yeah, I always feel like taking chances on people who try to trick me. Then he changes tack again, and swears we really did meet (doubtful), but he just can't remember what name or number he might have been using. At this point, I know he's a liar. I just don't know when he lies or why. I'm semi-retired now (and loving the hell out of it, thank you!). But this used to happen all the time, back in the days when sometimes I needed an appointment to pay the bills. It's very frustrating. I understand why it's second nature for you guys to want to act like secret agents, sneaking around and leaving no traces. And I won't even ask you not to do it, because I know it wouldn't do any good. But here's the thing: these days, with disposable phones, calling and texting apps, number spoofing software and more, if you want us to remember you for next time, it's up to YOU to give us a way to do that. And if you can't--if you can't remember what name you used or what number or email address you used, you know what? You might be better off just starting over from square one, and never mentioning any previous meeting. You'll have to be revetted and you forfeit any privileges you'd enjoy from being a known customer, but consider that the price for being untraceable. It's probably better not to try to have it both ways. It only calls attention to your lack of candor in your dealings with us. If you want us to remember you, leave a trail of breadcrumbs.

This title is misleading because this is NOT the way most wives end up on the phone with you. This guy needs to be blacklisted by you. He sounds way over the top, completely disrespectful to you and his wife. Most times, if a wife is contacting it is via investigation. I don't put a number on my site or my ad, partly for this reason. Discretion. I don't show my face too for the same reason. When you are actively involved privately in people's lives, you have to discrete. Can't show my face publicly as an escort if I do dinner dates with clients all around town. So no phone number on my site or ads means no googling that number for wives. Anyway, I don't answer phones calls to those who have my number. Only text unless we arrange a phone call. So if a wife contacts me, it would be by email most likely. To which I would ignore. If it was by text, I would probably ignore to because I feel I would tell right away even if she didn't come out and say anything. I would then email him and him and let him know his phone is compromised. My job and loyalty are to my client. Not their wife. This is not a sisterhood. This is business.

I had the opportunity to meet with the lovely Rebecca awhile ago. While I thought she lived in NB, I was plesently suprised to find out she is here in the Halifax area! While YMMV always applies, for me she turned out to be more than I could of hoped for. I typically don't look for the younger girls, just my personal taste as I get older but, something drew me into contacting her. I am so happy I did! She met me at the door with a inviting smile followed by a very warm hug, always a great start to meeting a stranger for the first time. Her neighborhood may shy a few people away but her incall location was safe so all was good for the making of a wonderful encounter! I'm typically more on the shy side but she wasted no time in making me feel very comfortable. She was absolutely amazing at carrying on a conversation, and we hadn't even began the fun part! Her ad is very accurate, if you treat her right, she will treat you even better! I found Rebecca to be intelligent, funny, mature, comforting, passionate, sensual, innocent looking yet with a evil grin look in her eyes, very cute and of course sexy! She exceeded any expectations I had dreampt up before meeting her and she succeeded in making my experience a very memorable one that would be absolutely impossible to forget anytime soon!

You may see a website as ineffective advertising, but I think it does a whole lot more. It's not just a marketing tool, it's also a screening tool. If you direct your traffic to your detailed website and a prospective client is asking questions that you have already answered on your site, is this a person you really want as a client? I know from discussions with a couple of ladies that most of these type of questions are guys who get their rocks off by wasting your time. They just want the attention. One lady I know will not even respond to such messages and automatically blacklists their number. The website will also provide a constant online presence in the event another advertising source faces demise. At least your regular clients will know that you're still active.