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No cuddles after sex. Well depends on how hot the session was because then I might say, "Let's have a shower together then cuddles" :lovers: I like cuddling lol... That or, people who ask questions that can be answered on my FAQ page. :roll:

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Our friends to our south have the right to bear arms and we have the right to bare breasts! Thank you Gwen Jacobs and all women too!

Not exactly a "toy", but lately I have been enjoying my jacuzzi tub for extra orgasms ;) Oooh those jets! Combined with the heat of the bath... So intense! I can hardly walk after! Luckily, it's an ensuite tub and my bed is only a few feet away. Best way to end the day, ever! :D

every girlfriend i ever had kissed me in my opinion if you ain't kissing you ain't allowed to say gfe

I also find this thread interesting, from my point of view, it is simply this, if I want to see a lady and her rates are 700.00+++ for two hours or more I do so without hesitation it is because of the attraction it is because what she has to say in her ad's, it because I want to see her. I see no reason what so ever for a lady to drop her rates to be in a "competition" If that is what some are calling it. I've always been of the mind set that not all ladies do this on a full time regular basis, and have a life to live so where is the competition? Other than there is many ladies for men to choose from(especially in our market area-Ottawa) but if a lady needs to reduce her rate, perhaps she is doing this full-time and it does become a competition, OR maybe her only source of income,than so be it. I've seen ladies from the high spectrum, to the normal spectrum for the our area, and I'm happy to see either lady at either rate. I think Kylie said it very well above...... "things work themselves out: she'll drop her rates or won't have any appointments. It's that simple."

I have a very active imagination (and a no-nonsense vibrator).

Although it feels like she's doing something exclusively for you, but in reality there is nothing a dancer does for any one customer that she doesn't also do for many other customers.

Advertising a GFE and having to ask if kissing is on the menu because often it isn't.... or you get the old YMMV answer. Peace MG

Gotta hand it to this girl: she is way smarter than I could ever pretend to be. She took a radio-controlled vibrator and turned into a thereminbrator. http://scanlime.org/2012/11/hacking-my-vagina/

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I've got a Fever! ...and the only prescription is... http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/719364/ MORE COWBELL!! ;) Gold-platted diamonds baa-bee!!

Babes...everyone here has"worth", it is a rather broad question. What one may find sexy another may not, some like tall, some like shy, or not.... Why not just start communication with her, and see where it goes from there...I am sure she may be rather choosy herself on who she spends time with. I meant this in the kindest and helpful way, just dont want you to read it wrong. But I just find the best way to learn about someone is to start with a nice letter to her...etc.. Good luck:)

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Oh , I don't like half hour encounters, could never see me booking just a half hour encounter But saying ladies providing thirty minute encounters are more concerned with quantity than quality, well I'm sure there are many ladies that provide quality thirty minute encounters It's just there isn't time in those encounters for everything that might take place in a two to three hour encounters, that is all In fact one lady I see provides thirty minute encounters, and also provides a quality multi hour encounter Those ladies just provide a service because there are gentlemen who like a shorter service, that is all, maybe a guy seeing a lady during the workweek at lunchtime This lifestyle has gentlemen seeking various escapes and ladies providing them. Lets not label some of those services as quality versus quantity, just a case of a different type of encounter, that's all RG

OK.. now this is why arguments go to hell in a hand basket around here very quickly. Not that I would ever try and win an argument with Wikipedia being my primary source, but you clipped only the part of the article that supported your argument and left out the very part that disagree with you. The article defines GFE in very different terms for sex-workers in general and even mentions that strippers can offer GFE experience even within the confines of the club, with no intercourse or oral sex. To make me shake my head even more, you advertise yourself on your CERB profile as a "Luxury GFE-MA" as per my original post I was just quoting somebody else who I totally agreed with add as far as me being a luxury gfe ma , i just go with the flow with the way things are done in Ottawa where I come from GFe is explained in 1 way as in Edmonton massage like this does not exist it's all SP services

Please also consider the fact that certain ladies choose to charge a lower rate in order to attract more clients and see multiple people a week for shorter dates. Others will intentionally set very high prices in order to keep a restricted and exclusive clientele. This strategy is more for the ladies interested into the cocktail date market (2+ hours per date) and long term arrangements. Both providers can be equally beautiful, smart and entertaining but both have chosen to do business differently based on their needs, lifestyle and the type of dates that they want.

Or, Better yet... I moved the discussion to the general discussion area. No one should feel that they need to charge less in a specific city - lots of touring ladies visit Winnipeg and do not lower rates for that city. If the price is too high that no one books the lady will either move on to a different city or adjust prices if she feels comfortable doing so. Some of the comments are absurd and I am shocked this thread has stayed this civil. I am not a SP and I find some of the comments just frustrating to say the least. Please make sure this stays civil, it is a good discussion topic but can easily evoke great emotions but it is important ... so any comment that is frustrating you or that you do not agree with my advise is to educate the person making the comment instead of fighting and letting emotion take over... be sure to calmly educate them as to why the comment is not correct or absurd. Common sense says that if a lady is not making her financial goals she will adjust her price. If her price is so low that she can not handle the level of calls she is getting then she is priced too low, if she is not getting enough calls she may be priced too high and I am sure she will adjust within her comfort zone. Just because one person can not afford those rates does not mean others can not and will not. I am a car guy, I can't afford a Ferrari but maybe a lexus or a benz is in my budget. The ride in the lexus or the benz is really nice (much more comfortable then the ferrari and a lot more luxuries) but hell I would still like to own the Ferrari... but I would settle with the fantasy for now or maybe rent one on day to drive it just once (and save for that special day). Know what I mean? For the last 8 years I have driven a beat up old explorer but its reliable, does not cost much as it was paid off years ago and it gets the job done. On special occasions (weather permitting) I pull the 57 Chev Bel air out of the garage and turn some heads and have some fun at 10MPG!! We all live WITHIN our means or we work harder to achieve our goals and dreams! Someone will ALWAYS buy the Ferrari (if not they would stop making them!) am I mad cause I can't afford one right now? Nope... but it makes me work hard cause I would like to one day!

Not every woman can do what we do. Which is why most of them don't. yes, we get paid more. But we also open the door and welcome a stranger into our personal space, and from the second they walk in we kiss them and treat them like they're our boyfriend. So anyone who is comparing this to another source of income, PLEASE stop. Because it's not the same. We charge a lot. Because we give a lot. We give you our bodies. If you can't afford it, that's unfortunate, but please dont try to degrade us/negotiate our rates/make assumptions about who we are and what we do with our money. What we choose to charge in order to give you the right to our most personal, intimate moments...well, that's OUR choice, whether it means we're going to charge you $50, or $5000. One thing to think about... if we DIDN'T make what we do, do you think we'd all still be doing it? I do my job because I love sex...AND because I like the money I make. If I made $10 an hour, I wouldn't do it. The money I make gives me the freedom to do what I love to do most.

What makes you say "WTF?" For me? I say "WTF?" ...... When people walk around grocery stores wearing those giant blinking bluetooth ear sets and their on the phone and they bang into you and don't even say excuse me or apoligize... like seriously wft? They might as well have a douche bag taped to the side of their head

I offer 45 minutes, i think a lot of guys would like that option. it is a nice amount of time for someone who really does need a little less pressure to finish. but the half hour is ideal for someone who has an hour to get here and get back to where they should be, or to stop in on their way to something else. a half hour break is easily explained, an hour plus commute time not so much. I find it more than adequate for the majority of guys, and it isn't rushed if the prelude is massage with conversation.

In one area they seem to be moving in a relatively more liberal way, marijuana. Washington and Colorado have voted to decriminalize. As far as sex I tend to be a very good boy when in the states. If a Canadian gets arrested and sentenced it's considered a crime of moral turpitude and you are barred from entering the US for life. I've got family there so that's a risk I wouldn't take.

Ah Americans.......... seeking our naturals resources........ I guess that`s what free trade is all about...lol

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Wow, well I've never experienced that but I did have a lady come visit my hotel suite once and something distracted me only a moment after her arrival, so when I looked back in her direction I have no idea what she might have been wearing as she wasn't wearing anything any longer... That was shockingly pleasant :)

I just got a pm from a guy saying " I learned you were just into massage" WTF!

Someone stole my registration sticker off my license plate. WTF????

You massage the girl, but you get too sensual and the girl gets pissed because she only wanted a massage, why does everything with you have to lead to sex, you have a big fight and stop talking to each other for the rest of the session. A true GFE massage.

I have to say, I think people get much too worked up over this stuff. There's only really a couple of things to say. First: we (almost) all have to get used to the fact that there are some things in life we want, but can't afford. Anyone who's even remotely considering spending hundreds of dollars on seeing a SP, no matter how many hundreds of dollars, isn't that badly off and shouldn't have too much to complain about in the grand scheme of things. There's no point being bitter about the fact that someone you really want to see is a bit out of your price range; ultimately, it hurts no-one save yourself. Second, and similarly, there's little to be gained by being bitter if you feel an encounter wasn't worth what you paid for it. Given the highly personal nature of what we're discussing here, we all have slightly different ideas of what "good" or "better" or "worth the $$$" actually involve, and that's before you get into completely intangible things like "chemistry". It's simply not reasonable to expect to hit the bullseye every time. Third: I know I'm going to sound like some sort of ultra-capitalist zealot by saying this, but... trust the market. SPs scamming people or delivering crappy service at top-end rates exist, and will always exist, and there isn't a lot we can do about it except avoiding them... but once everyone avoids them, they'll swiftly be gone. Similarly, SPs will adjust their rates until their income and number of clients they're seeing get to where they want them to be, or they realize that their goals are unachievable (not everyone is capable of meeting the expectations of clients paying top-end rates) and adjust accordingly. One thing that I have to note here is the essential role that CERB and other boards play in this: for markets to work efficiently, there has to be a free exchange of information. This is why recos here, reviews elsewhere and resources like CK's diary are so critical; they allow us guys to make informed decisions about who to see, and who's better avoided. If you had a great time, give that information to everyone else; if it was bad... well, you can't say so here, but bear in mind that although silence can speak volumes, it doesn't if you never say anything at all.

Walking into a hotel in Toronto and having an SP wink and say- Hi "Name" While your SO is on your arm. The try having a catching up conversation. Awkward moment. (As all my hobbying has been done in Toronto to date)

WOW - this is a real eye-opener for me on how a SP may operate :S Yet you have perplexed me... IMHO - One lady's price changes has nothing to do with the quality of another lady: Are you saying ladies should band together to fix prices in the industry just for the benefit of some other ladies whom may otherwise not be of the same quality or level of service and for which could not otherwise fetch the same prices in the marketplace on the own? - but just because?? ...only to have some SPs gain more $$$ from hobbyist whom otherwise get no more benefit from your time and services other than being cornered into artificially inflated prices beyond any normal free market level of supply and demand? (This is called Price Gouging - No??) Are you declaring this is the common practice which all SPs are to follow? What will you do if she (or others) doesn't keep up her prices as per your demands? What do you do when a SP actually does lower their price, as it seems to happen daily? (Example: Many ladies whom tour offer city-specific pricing (presumable based on each city being a different market with different supplies and demands for SPs).) Why not just 1 price for all cities? How can 1 price cover all the uniqueness and variations in quality (a subjective trait) each lady has when working independently in any open marketplace?? What does Winnipeg SP Market Prices have to do with Ottawa SP Market Prices? Is there a correlation? Just because one lady lowers a price doesn't mean another has to, nor in the opposite way either - No? What makes you feel this way about yourself, and others? Does the quality of your company change when other ladies change their prices Summer? Add or subtract services? Add or subtract intimacy? (...or what have you.) I ask this for clarity in your public comments, as as a 'hobby-conomist' (TM pending!) - I geek-out on studying these types of behaviours when learning about how SPs and the hobby works. Thanks in advance for your education! PS: I recommend everyone read Freakonomics - the Prostitution Chapter is awesome! PPS: I actually have a degree in Economics, worked in the international financial industry, have been an independent entrepreneur for decades studying micro- and macro- economics as related to human psychology - it's how the world works! PPPS: Personally, like myself, anyone can set any price they want - if I really want something in life, for me, price is irrelevant. I will fairly pay whatever. Just so interesting to understand how others think. (One more) PPPPS: Think about it - Why does CERB even exist? ..and have a B&S Section? Quality rules! (but not all 'actors' in the marketplace are ethical - whether in this industry or otherwise. As a buyer, I beware - Safety is Cool!! (and super-sexy ;) )

I am mostly an incall client to begin with. So far, I have absolutely nothing to complain about when I visit a lady, be it the way she dresses or not-dresses :icon_wink:. Her beautiful face is what entices me to go and see her in the first place. I have seen ladies wearing beautiful lingeries or suggestive outfits, as well as one lady wearing a beautiful house-coat but nothing underneath which was fine with me! For outcalls, I think it is drastically different. Since I live in a house, to me, discretion is very important. For this reason, I don't have any problem with the fine lady dresses even in jeans. One beautiful lady I saw recently dressed in a pair of tight jeans which showed her spinner body really well and - I love it :icon_biggrin:. Something interesting which I might add is that - both ladies I saw lately came in casual clothings ( obviously for discretion purpose), but when they emerged from the washroom, they were already in some fine sexy outfits! This showed how they take their job seriously and in a very professional way - which I admire profoundly. So, to me being a vey flexible person, I don't have the need to communicate in advance in regards to dresses because -- it seems the beautiful ladies here know just what to do! lol.

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Usually undies, maybe a t-shirt. I have a no-pants rule in my home ;)

LOl, yes its thorough. No, she doesn't work at the CIA as Gegefatale suggests, but did discover an affair I had years ago when I was young and Naive. This fact has two interesting effects. First, she knows I'm capable of cheating (not good), but she also over estimates her abilty to detect it (very good)... Always let your SO think she's psychic or very intuitive... There's nothing better at hiding your true behavior than having a SO that thinks she can read your mind. Additional Comments: If I wasn't married I doubt I have much trouble finding women to make out with (I've had offers). For me, the issue about my wife is that she has largely lost her sex drive and that is actually quite natural considering her age. However, there are lots of good reasons to stay married (e.g., having 2 teenage sons, and two young adults in college). So SPs provide a service that allows me to stay relatively content in my marriage.

Or Mod was generous with his/her time and vigilante back in 2009 when he defined the term GFE in the follow thread: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214 I guess the term GFE is a very personal one and we all have an opinion about what it really means. The key with any type of service is to communication with the service provider to clarify what is really offered and ask questions. We all welcome inquiries... right ladies? Canuck------ said it best. Quote: "At one point in time (and in certain places still) you would not be able to kiss the MA, you wouldn't shower together, you wouldn't hug and cuddle, you wouldn't be able to reciprocate touch, or do a reverse massage." The erotic massage industry has for sure evolved in Ottawa and was it not for the best? I know I'm having a lot more fun!

Discretion is the better part of valor. I have a part time employee who has been giving me fits lately with inattention, tardiness, and brain cramps. She recently went through a messy domestic relationship breakup and I have been cutting her a LOT of slack- partly out of respect for her mother (a valued employee) and partly out of sympathy- but it has been wearing thin and costing me money. She has two children (4,1) and a useless ex and this morning, she took her youngest to the hospital. Long story short, her child is very sick and may be hospitalized for several weeks.I am so thankful I didn't blow up at her recently and terminate her employment.....but it was close. The good part is that I can cut her a paycheck and an early Christmas bonus. The part that sucks is that she will spend her second Christmas in a row at the hospital with her son. Last year, he survived meningitis.

I will disagree. The term GFE started getting used because of a change in the way escorts and other full-service providers started interacting with their clients. At one point in time it was very unusual for these people to kiss their clients or indulge in anything much more than the act itself. (no MSOG, bust a nut and you were done) As the interaction changed over time the term GFE started being used to indicate you were going to get kissing, and other interactions, more than slipping on the condom and getting off. Hence, more like a Girl-friend experience, than a paid service. It is an adjectival phrase that describes what type of service you are going to get. It is an adjective, not a noun. You don't get GFE. Your service was of the GFE variety. In massage, the term GFE means you are getting that type of massage. Again, as a change in the way service is being offered in that domain. At one point in time (and in certain places still) you would not be able to kiss the MA, you wouldn't shower together, you wouldn't hug and cuddle, you wouldn't be able to reciprocate touch, or do a reverse massage. You would get a rub and a tug. The GFE phrase came along to describe those providers who have a more intimate experience with their clients, including but not limited to the activities listed above. Either way there is no agreed upon definition of GFE, or its variant Safe GFE. It means different things to every person, and even those who offer it will usually say YMMV. You have to ask the provider, MA or SP, what they offer. As to the comments I read earlier about MA's don't allow DATY, or digits or whatever, my question would be: according to who? I know some who do offer that, and some who don't, but again it is a YMMV. If someone can point out to me in the Big Book of MA Rules, where I can find that written down, then I will run right down to Chapters and buy a copy. None of this is black and white. We all have our comfort zones, and we all have different experiences. Just because lips touch genitalia does not an SP make. In fact according to the OED paying someone for any kind of sexual service is prostitution. I think masturbating someone to orgasm is a sexual service. So according to our language, it is just a matter of degree. Trying to shoe horn others into your beliefs is a little bit too schoolyard for me. If their is no intent to mislead, or deceive, then let people describe what they do with terms they like and feel comfortable with. Additional Comments: OK.. now this is why arguments go to hell in a hand basket around here very quickly. Not that I would ever try and win an argument with Wikipedia being my primary source, but you clipped only the part of the article that supported your argument and left out the very part that disagree with you. The article defines GFE in very different terms for sex-workers in general and even mentions that strippers can offer GFE experience even within the confines of the club, with no intercourse or oral sex. To make me shake my head even more, you advertise yourself on your CERB profile as a "Luxury GFE-MA"

clients that book an appointment then don't give any notice of a cancelation- no phone call- email-nothing-this is so thoughtless and rude.

-- Distracted drivers... texting and or eating while driving. -- Poor hygiene -- men with forests growing out of their noses and ears... -- The lack of good manners demonstrated by others. (holding the door for others, helping others when they drop something, etc...) -- Revenue Canada taking their sweet time giving out tax refunds!! -- Pedestrians not sharing the side walk.

OkCupid message fail... telling me that I have "birthing hips" Yep. not a compliments in my eyes

I agree with the term "GFE" and being misleading where MAs are concerned. When I hear the term "GFE", I think of escort services and a friendly attitude INCLUDING more intimate services ( DFK, DATY) that are appropriate to the term itself. So if this term is being used in the MA world, it can definitely cause confusion and MAs may feel pressured by some NOT all clients to perform extra services that only an SP would provide because once word gets out, then the expectations can be falsely set to a point where the majority of MAs would not be willing to offer SP type services. IMO, I think the word "sensual" not GFE would completely sum up the type of service an MA is willing to offer that is not cold and Mechanical. The same with the term "PSE" used in massage advertising. "Erotic" seems to be an equivalent type of word for PSE. We have to remember that GFE and PSE are experiences and actions, not just attitude and often the lines gets blurred as to what is and isn't being offered in a massage session.

I don't have many restrictions but I am very clear on the ones I have in place. If one toe goes over the line the date is over. Over stepping my few boundaries are a clear indication we are not right for each other so I would never feel bad ending a date very abruptly if I felt violated in any way. I respect every guest I have and feel very just in expecting the same in return.

I'm finding some of the Client-side responses in this thread to be amazing. In the last instance, on what basis does one "take a rough guess at what the majority of SPs would do". Does this come from handling the financials for a great number of SPs? IMHO making the assumption that most or any SPs do not file taxes is not a good assumption. Nor is making any assumptions on annual income. Earlier on in this thread there was a crack about SPs making 20 times the average wage. This is seriously "apples and oranges" in that the $10/hr wage earner is not paying rent for the business, is not paying the utilities, the taxes, the wholesale price of the goods being handled. Elsewhere in the thread is a very good description of what costs are incurred by the SP. So I guess I'm in the "I'm OK with that the SP charges" camp. Yes, there are some I would like to see that I cannot afford. There are also a lot charging in a price range I can afford. I can't afford a Mercedes but I'm not going use the term gouging to describe Mercedes price structure.

Actually, it does make sense. Keep in mind the Subject and read it as if someone were literally writing English but thinking in another language. Many CERB-tites start from another language than English and occasionally interesting anomalies appear in their postings. Part of what makes the whole CERB experience as charming as it is. Carry on...

I have been told quite often that I resemble Peter Mansbridge. Perhaps I can see that a bit.

I have an uncanny knack for saying exactly the wrong thing :(