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There is something very very wrong when a grown man has no issues about having sex with an underage girl...even if she does want it. So wrong...

I am hoping you are misunderstanding the word Pubescent and consent: Definition Pubescent - arriving at or having reached puberty. Puberty - the age at which puberty occurs often construed legally as 14 in boys and 12 in girls The age of consent for sexual activity is 16 years. It was raised from 14 years on May 1, 2008 by the Tackling Violent Crime Act. However, the age of consent is 18 years where the sexual activity "exploits" the young person -- when it involves prostitution, pornography or occurs in a relationship of authority, trust or dependency (e.g., with a teacher, coach or babysitter). Sexual activity can also be considered exploitative based on the nature and circumstances of the relationship, e.g., the young person's age, the age difference between the young person and their partner, how the relationship developed (quickly, secretly, or over the Internet) and how the partner may have controlled or influenced the young person. A pubescent child cannot give consent - no matter what she or he says, she/he is unable to give consent before the age of 16 years. I am hoping this was just a misunderstanding in your statement.

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This is the OP's original question, we are talking about seeing teenagers in this business which may be legal but is it ethical. Additional Comments: Now this is what you are arguing, basically it's ok to have sex with an underage child, be it man with underage girl, or woman with underage boy. Mind you, you never said anything about a man with underage boy or woman with underage girl. Since this thread is about seeing teenage companions, even if legal is it ethical, are you arguing about seeing underage escorts. Honestly beyond your obvious disdain for a minimum legal age, I don't know. And for fact, the minimum legal age in Canada isn't an abstraction, it's real, set out in the Criminal Code of Canada. you don't like it, go to France or Sweden. But French law or Swedish law applies to France or Sweden, not to Canada Just how low in age do you want to go? http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=511551#post511551 Why this thread, apparently in Yemini it is legal for a "man" to marry a 8 year old...do you think the age should be lowered to 8 now if your argument for lower legal ages is other countries do it. Law of the land in Canada is 18 years old. Don't like it, go find another country to live in catering to your predilections. And one more thing, maybe you should read the CERB Rules & FAQ. Couple copied and pasted here for you Streetwalkers - Car Dates - FS MASSAGE SPA'S - ETC .... (ALL ILLEGAL IN CANADA)We DO NOT discuss ILLEGAL activities here. This includes. - Streetwalkers (Public prostitution is illegal) - Car Dates (Something streetwalkers do - public prostitution is illegal in Canada) - FS Commercial unit (Massage Spa - Brothel - etc... are all considered common bawdy houses and illegal) - Underage Prostitution - Drugs - Etc... Please use common sense people! You must be 18 years of age older to participate, advertise or be advertised or discussed on cerb You must be of legal age (That is 18+ years of age in Canada) to use (AND JOIN) this website. We may ask you to prove your legal age if at anytime your legal age is in question. If you are under the legal age of 18 you are not welcome to post on this site and you should not be involved in this business.. If you are asked for proof of age and you refuse a bulletin will be posted on the site and your name will be added to the DNR LIST (Do not recommend or discus list) and you will not be allowed to post here, all posts about you will be removed and we will tell the members why you have been placed on this list. Just finding this advocating of seeing someone underage, especially on a thread talking about seeing teenage legal aged companions disturbing to say the least. Eighteen years old is the real and true age in Canada, not some abstraction. Find out how well your arguments go in Court if caught and charged by the police having sex with someone underage. RG

I have found this thread really interesting. I started work at 18 by my own volition and never found the clients I serviced to be seedy or slimy. That said, I looked in my mid 20's and seldom was I asked about my age. I knew what I was getting into, had given it a couple of years of thought before hand and I've never regretted the decision. I have a fairly strong personality and have never had a problem handling men even at 18. I could have easily worked at 16 from an emotional maturity stand point. The foundation for my business today was there already as a teenager and I've changed little in the way of customer service since I started. On a personal level, I'm divided by the "18 is acceptable" mentality. At 16 I started dating older men in their late 20's whom I met thru my older sister. I looked well over 18 and they never asked my age until we had been dating awhile. Most times I lied about being older and it was never questioned. By the time I was 18, I graduated to men over 40 and I have preferred men at least 15-20 years my senior ever since. Boys my own age held no interest for me. I didn't want to go to parties where everyone drank themselves into oblivion and pawed at me; I didn't want to hang out watching videos and making out on the couch or driving around. I wanted to go and do things. I loved live theater, racing of any sort, good restaurants and intelligent conversation. I wanted to travel and see the world outside of the little bit of swamp I grew up in. Boys my own age didn't do those sorts of things. The sex part of the dating was secondary to me. The intimacy was fun, I learned so much and I would do it again in a heart beat. I think older men can offer a better quality relationship because they are experienced. That said, there needs to be more on the mans mind than just getting into a young girls pants. Predators are always disgusting but I don't think we should paint all men with the same brush just because they end up in a relationship with a younger than 18 year old woman. Two of my daughters are involved with older men and I would say it's been a good thing. My 21 year old has lived with a man 17 years her senior for 3 years and is helping raise his 3 sons while attending University full time. They met when she was 17 and she moved in on her 18th birthday. Many were appalled and her step mom tried to have him arrested before she turned 18. I know my daughter, this man didn't take advantage of her; if anything, she took advantage of him. She has had the best 3 years of her life since 9/11 hit and the sky fell in on our family. My other daughter is 23 and dating a man my age. He provides her with opportunities she would never have on her own or dating a man her own age. He adores her and she him. They aren't marriage minded but they live together and seem happy. She's learning about being a grown up from someone she will listen to (God knows she doesn't listen to me or her father) and seems to be getting pretty good advice from him. Our society seems to forget that teenage girls mature faster than their male peers and some of these young ladies are more than ready to experience life with someone who can show them what's out there. The only relationship I had with someone my own age was with the father of my children and while I don't regret it on any level, I do think my life today would be very different if I had stayed true to my nature and married someone more mature... cat

Since all pleasures are delicious, I cannot pick one but I can certainly tell you about 2 erotic discoveries that happened to me as a companion. One of them was squirting! I will always be grateful to the gentleman who showed me how wonderful it could feel. The other one was discovering that all my toes were like a mini clitoris on their own when licked and sucked on and that I didn't really need much (if any) other stimulation to be able to reach orgasm. Just plain awesome!!

I do think in your post when you say "pubescent girl" you meant younger-18+ at least I hope:) But the next sentence is the one that worries me. Young girls do want to have sex but I don't think they always know what they are doing when they pursue it and *some* will have sex with anyone that gives them the right attention. It is for that reason my mothering-protecting instincts are ignited. I know when I was at that age I slept with a lot of guys, I was searching for affection, love and mistook sex as affection. The repercussions of those encounters deeply affected me, the affects of which really never arose to later in my life. I'd hate to see that happen to anyone. Being a young sp can in *some* even cause more regret, since especially today your past lingers forever in this techno world, if you are not completely grounded and resigned to the affects this lifestyle can have on ones future. I am in no way defaming this profession as its one I embrace but for those just starting out, beginning their lives and not thinking long term, who you have sex with, how many times, when and where can leave a trail mentally and physically you may not be mentally prepared or mature enough to deal with at such a young age. As we age and gain life experience we are better prepared and more able to deal with unconventional choices, make better decisions and have a better idea of what we want or don't want our future to hold.

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I think the only opinion that matters on this is your own. Men are in this hobby for a multitude of reasons, and one of them is fantasy - if their fantasy includes being with a hot younger girl, as long as she's 18, who am I to judge? I personally do not like seeing clients who are 18-19. I have actually declined in the past, as my kid sister is around that age, and my nephew - so it makes me feel strange. I have friends with kids around that age. BUT, again, just because it makes me feel strange, I think nothing of women who do see those clients. They deserve to get their rocks off just as much as the next guy!

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Whoa, that's a lot of assumptions there. This isn't going to be a one-size-fits-all answer, as sure, some 19 year olds may lack the maturity to make such a decision, but there are also plenty of folks in their 20s, 30s, 40s, etc who may just as equally be unable or unprepared to enter into sex work. That is not our call to make, or our judgement to pass, so long as the person in question is of legal age and legally able to consent. Coersion can also happen at any age.

I genuinely feel that I have an obligation to share with people about the industry as I know it and have sat in Regents shoes on many occasions. I consider it a very personal PSA Coles Notes that I willingly hand out for free. What I have learned is that I don't need to change their POV, all I need to do is put a face on it that challenges their beliefs. Meeting sex workers that don't fit the stereotype makes people reconsider what they believe to be true about the sex trade. It makes them question what they think are facts. I never take an activist stance, I'm very easy going in my delivery; avoiding the hard line presentation so they have nothing to push back against. Having them repeat their mistaken views verbally simply entrains it deeper. Instead I bring a light hearted tone to the conversation, smiling when I deliver the truths of my story. I've worked in every aspect of this industry save SWing and would do so again in a heart beat. I don't glamourize it but I also bring to light the good that I see. When they start pointing into dark corners, I simply parallel the facts with other lines of work equally as perilous and that sheds a certain inarguable light on things. Remember, you don't need to "win" the war. You just need to show them there actually isn't a war going on, simply a life as we chose it. Changing a belief starts with one seed taking root and growing. Not as quickly as we might like, it may be buried deep and take a long time to break the surface which requires patience on our part with liberal amounts of sunshine and water. Most often, they will supply the sunshine; they will reflect back on the conversation time and time again, every time allowing your essence to influence their perceptions just a little more. All you have to do is water it. Just don't over or under water, both will kill the seed before it can take root and flourish... cat

If it is claimed as legal by the peers we vote in to create and modify our laws, who are we to question whether it's ethical or not. If we think they made a bad choice, we vote them out and start again. Many tests and surveys are conducted every year on just about every aspect of human nature and the results are used to determine new laws or update old ones. It is a known fact that teenagers of this decade are way smarter than I was at their age, or any of you. They know at a younger age, just what they want out of life. That's just natural human evolution. Who knows, maybe in a few years, they'll drop the age even lower. For those naysayers, give it a rest. If your child is one of the few that didn't quite make the front of the line when common sense was handed out, then by all means, keep a close eye on them. Otherwise, let the young adults live their lives in peace.

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So, a bit of a heavy topic. I'm in an ongoing conflict/dialogue with an acquaintance who's very anti-sex work. (Though I'm about ready to throw my hands up in disgust.) I recently asserted that it's easy to be an ethical consumer of the sex industry if you actually care about being an ethical consumer, and that the more direct interaction you have with a worker, the easier it is to make sure that they're doing the work consensually and by choice. (So making a solid ethical choice when seeing a service provider is easier than doing so when watching porn on the internet, for example.) She asked me how one could know. It seems pretty obvious to me, but I'd rather not just give a flippant response based exclusively on my own perceptions and experiences, which are obviously limited - I work as a SP, I have many friends who are current and former workers in various parts of the sex industry and I've worked in social services where I had clients who were SPs, but I don't have any experience as a male hobbyist hiring a SP, and I do know that when I am a client at say, a strip club, my interactions with the women working there are really different than the interactions men have. So, if you were giving advice to someone who had never seen a SP before and was really concerned about the risk of seeing someone who had been trafficked or who was being coerced* into the work, what would you tell them? I'm interested in responses from both SPs and hobbyists. Things I would recommend: See someone who**: - works independently & has their own website - participates in online communities for hobbyists and/or SPs - is involved in sex worker rights activism/blogs or talks about their experiences and their work publicly - screens their clients Get to know them a bit, either through their interactions online or by booking some social time where you plan to just talk. * When I talk about coercion, I mean through violence, emotional manipulation or abuse. One of the popular arguments against sex work is that there is no free choice when there are economic pressures that might influence a person's choice to do this type of work. Ultimately though, that adds up to an argument against capitalism and all work being coercive, and doesn't logically or meaningfully single out sex work, without doing a bunch of mental gymnastics. ** Obviously not meeting these criteria doesn't mean anything and many SPs who choose this work don't meet these criteria. Additionally, this is really complicated too, because these sorts of screening criteria could further marginalize already marginalized workers, by steering good potential clients away from them and towards workers who are already more privileged. But at the same time, those who are making the argument that it's impossible to do this type of work consensually or that it's impossible to be an ethical consumer are already seeking to force us all out of this line of work anyway, which, imo, does far more to marginalize already under-privileged workers.

I like to keep it within my age range, so from 25 to 40 and will adventure over 40 if i really like someone, no problems there. It's all about the person and how they act for me. I just find i prefer someone in that age group but always open about things. But won't go below 25 or so as i'm just more comfortable with that.

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As I am in my early 40's my age limit is from 25 years to about 50 years old. Many ladies who are 25 are very mature and tend to have a University education. They have a certain sophistication and elegance about them. They also tend to be knowledgeable about a variety of subjects to enjoy some wonderful conversations with. Many 18 year olds lack the maturity to make an informed decision about whether or not to have sexual relations. Like Christy said some mistake sex with love. Something I did many times when I was that age. I find it morally wrong when a 50+ gentleman pursues a relationship with a lady that has only just turned 18 even if she was the one to initiate it. I guess it was the way I was brought up and it's just my opinion.

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Yes... but the point is that you have agency because of attributes entirely unrelated to the fact that you've chosen to be involved in this industry. You'd have as much agency if you did something else. There are some gifted individuals who can do almost anything they set their minds to, and there are some who are doomed to perpetual failure. And in between, there's almost everybody else, who are better at some things than others and who have some choice over what to do with our lives, but not a completely free choice...

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I see that a number of you have replied to my opinion on this matter. Instead of quoting all of you, I'll try to respond in a general way. Like I said in my original post, I do believe that there should be an age limit for working as a sex trade worker. I think one should be at least 18 years old to do this type of work for some of the reason you have all mentioned as well as age hopefully making one more wise to the dangers that one would face in this occuption. But there is no law that can ever completely prevent people from doing things they later regret. Do I think there is something "wrong" with an adult man who will have sex with a girl under 18? I'll admit, when I was in high school and a lot of the girls I knew would date men in their 20s, my gut reaction was to find those guys "sleazy", and I would probably still react that way today, but when I try to explain what's wrong about it, I come up blank. It's a feeling, but not one I can really defend with any concrete logic. When I think about it, a boy her own age can be just as bad as an older one.

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