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I think it's one of those ideas that is good and fine in theory (MightyPen as usual summed it up well) but I would say likely to be bad in actual practice. I think the can of worms it would open is that it would encourage too many guys to start offering services in return instead of the requested donation amount. It's all too easy to picture a fellow telling one lady how "the other lady agreed if I washed her dishes and walked her dog I'd get 30 minutes!" Or "you let my friend have time with you for court-side tickets, why can't I??" It's my opinion that it's a lady's right to decide what her time is worth--be that a $ amount or some other good or service. And if the only time such an exchange happened was a when a lady specifically advertised for such, then it may not be too bad. But as I say, doing so comes with the risk that it will increase how often guys try such negotiations when it's not appropriate or wanted.

True. Plus the need to spend time haggling every time you do it, since you can't have an up-front rate for your time if you don't know what you're going to be exchanging it for. I get the impression most ladies aren't fond of haggling.

I think it's totally fine if both parties are comfortable with it. What two people choose to exchange is entirely between them. After all, what's the difference between asking for $500, versus something you both agree is worth $500? Part of the trick, though, is agreeing beforehand on what's really worth $500, plus ensuring that Service B really does get performed following the delivery of Service A. There can be a lot of practical problems making service-barter work in real life. Currency is immediate and convenient, which is one of the reasons it's so popular in general. ;) Incidentally I voted "no opinion" because I don't think is a bad idea, nor a great idea, just a bit tricky and situational.

Looks like she is indeed of legal age... make one curious how old you are then? anyway.... trying to cause the lady problems gets you booted.

I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up!

From all the pages I have read after commenting I notice It's a torn between been honest vs fantasy land because we get compensate In an ideal world clients would be forward about having cold sores,genital warts or been not clean before and ladies would tell you when it's the time of the month,etc By revealing that, we crush the fantasy land of the provider that never have period,never shit,never sick always like sex regardless of hygiene,appearance,behaviors Bottom line each individual should be responsible of revealing their conditions on each side.. Does it happen all the time? No As much as some of you feel entitle to know when I will have my period which for me is 2days max and travel all the time but do take night off with Gf etc I had a past condition were I was pregnant and waiting to get surgery and end up bleeding I recently had a girl disclose what I said about myself to clients .from private lounge I had flood of clients texting me telling me they felt insecure to see me as I may be at risk due to condom breaking and end up pregnant regardless of plan b and be at hospital..That incident happened two years ago..yet I was questioned When the situation happened I was at hospital I did everything on my end to make sure I wasn't putting anyone at risk..The client did as well When I end up bleeding I wasn't suppose to..I took some time off to get an abortion which I wasn't treat properly and in a very demeaning way Not only I had to deal with lost income while I was in USA I was notify that they may have overlook and I was still pregnant..fast forward will all tests in USA and they weren't able to go forward I rack I huge medical bill(roughly 10k) I was brought back to canada where they operate me for my condition I also find very offensive on my end that someone would book and app and think I won't notice his cold sore or genital warts As for Greek people said it's normal to deal with it or expect it.. I do Greek and pegging and strongly disagree with this I do natural enema and I'm very anal about it that it's skeequy clean..I do expect same in return and the compensation for my time doesn't justify me dealing a lot of shit off your butt because YOU inquire about ass play This activities involve risks on both end and I agreed to it and fully aware of it Personally I find it offensive to be ask to be the first,that you ask me if I'm on my period or have any diseases,how many times I fuck a day I am not judgmental who come to see me and don't interrogate them that way. Yet I have seen quite frustrating situation where someone want all is money back because I decline service as he had a cold sore and try to sneak it in Not only he book a time that I could give someone else but expect me to perform activity at risk as he has a condition and feel he should take the whole donation back because I disagree Full disclosure should be on both end..it's only fair ( mean what you and your wife do etc) Anyway like roamyguy I'm a bit rambling but I think you know what is my post is about VJ

Well Jabba. On my WGASL list .... not long ago I read that Justin Biebs and Miss Gomez held hands in Canada !!!!! Well Holy Fuck that's news worthy . Probably a wedding and divorce soon ? ;)

Latest MSN news that Brad & Angelina FINALLY got married...whew - I was worried there for awhile. Your WGASL?

Whatever your field is, I would be curious to know how many times other professionals have been asked this very question. Dear gas attendant, it is my birthday today, can you charge me less per liter or in total? Dear mechanic, it is my birthday today, can I get a discount on your time and/or car parts? Dear dentist, it is my birthday today... Dear cashier at the grocery store... Dear psychologist... Dear landscaper... Dear babysitter... ... ... ... Would you ask those people for a discount for your birthday? Why not? So why does it always seem acceptable to ask this famous question to SPs aka sex workers? Because restaurants give you a cake with a candle on it for your birthday? The best way to "have your cake and eat it too" is to go to a restaurant and then go see an SP! Additional Comments: I almost forgot... Happy Birthday to the OP!

I advertise on both, as well as here. I try to make a point of asking clients where they found my ad and most of the time it is bp and they just made the decision from there. If I was spending money to see a companion I would do more homework than that! There must be so many men out there getting ripped off or getting poor service.

Lee, we discussed this in the past, you said they would look good on me but Gabby said I looked better with my leather chaps only(that means bare bottom).

I'm a two to three times a week guy. I blame my libido.

I'd reply but doesn't that mean I give a shit about not giving a shit LOL RG :-)

Well when I started it averaged one date a month. Because of personal circumstances in my life it is reduced to a date once every few months My days of disappointing encounters is long gone though. While many guys use recommendations as a guide on who to see, what I found works for me is when a lady I trust and respect endorses (if that's the right word) another lady. Also, I repeat with ladies I have seen and have a good time with, which all but eliminates disappointing encounter. I've found one trick to avoid a disappointing date...stick with the ladies from CERB. All my bad dates were from CL, Er*s, and other sites. The ladies on CERB have a board presence, profile, recommendations (sometimes) and so on. Anyhow, a rambling RG

Two things I want to say on this. The first is: congratulations, and thanks. To everyone. This thread had only a few posts last time I looked at it, and I must admit I had thought it would inevitably turn into a shitstorm. But.. it hasn't: we have instead had (mostly) an interesting and useful and civilized discussion on a subject that really doesn't seem to come up very often. That's a rare and precious thing; you have only to look at comment threads on news articles or even some of the other boards to know that. And if that lot sounds patronizing... honestly, it's not meant that way. I've tried to avoid sounding condescending, but I'm not sure that I've succeeded. The second is a more general and non-specific thought on GFE, and what it is, and - more importantly - what it isn't. If we're honest, we clients don't want to have an experience that's exactly like we'd get from a girlfriend. We just want the good bits. The highlights. We only want to give as much as we feel inclined to give, rather than giving as much as is necessary. And the ladies know this. That's why, when you go to see a SP, she won't tell you that your shirt doesn't suit you. She won't spend the first hour venting about what a bad day she's had, or fretting because her puppy's off his food. She won't decide that no, she just wants to cuddle this evening (unless you want that too) and she sure as hell won't have a headache. She'll give you the impression that she enjoys your company just as much as you enjoy hers. You get all the positives of a girlfriend, and none of the negative stuff or the stuff that might require effort on your part. Is this selfish? Of course! And that, of course, is one of the reasons that there's an envelope on the table. And that comes back to this thread. We guys know that menstruation happens, just as bad days and sick pets and headaches and all the other things that might make things less than stellar also happen... but, if we're honest, we don't want to have to deal with that - and part of what we're paying for is not having to deal with that stuff. It doesn't make the slightest difference to our enjoyment whether it's that time of the month or not, or whether today's just a bad day or not, or whether you're faking or not... provided we don't find out. But if we find out, that illusion of the perfect girlfriend is shattered. We're quite happy to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, provided we can plausibly ignore the man - and, preferably, the curtain too. This also comes back to something else mentioned on the board recently; one of the ladies mentioned that she'd had to cut off a client or two for trying to cross the boundaries and get too close. I think the idealized, no-negatives "girlfriend" that we guys meet goes some way towards explaining why this happens; it's easy to forget that the "girlfriend" that you experienced and had a wonderful time with has a real, three-dimensional person underneath, and that you don't get to meet that real person at all just by putting an envelope on the table, and that the fact that you're slightly in love with the idealized GFE doesn't mean you'll feel the same about the real person, or that she'll feel the same about you. Where the hell am I going with this post? Honestly, I'm not quite sure... I guess that really makes it what RG would call a rambling. I think what I'm really working towards is a thought that much of this thread is the result of a disconnect between the day-to-day reality of being a woman on the one hand, and the guys' expectations of a paid-for girlfriend experience on the other. Most of the time, it all works out. But sometimes it doesn't. And then you get... this. And slightly incoherent late-night verbal diarrhea from the likes of me.

I think I might have to do it just one last time... Now I just have to pick some music and add a few new outfits. Care to join? 613-415-55 * 33

I was recently contacted by a prospective client I have been in communication with for some time. He has expressed interest in seeing me during my next Ottawa trip. After noting the undesirable idea of potentially being with an SP who engages in such unsavoury practices as mentioned on this thread (using sponges, working during one's "cycle"), and after making specific note of this thread, he said, that, as a result, he was planning on instituting a new "screening question". He wanted to know as part of screening me if I work through "my cycle". This is an excerpt...the crux of what I wish to say in my reply as I think it has great bearing beyond the singular matter of communication between two people, as this thread and its carry over to other boards has stirred anxiety and dread in many of us who do the work: Dear potential client, I will look forward to your call should you wish to schedule a play date with me... As for the subject of the CERB thread and your new screening question, I will be direct as that is the way I am. I do not work when I'm on my period and certainly would not book my Ottawa trip when I'm expecting mine. But, if you noticed my enthusiasm on the thread, it was to nominate Emily J's post, which really did some justice to the fact that many of us experience spotting at various times in our cycles.....sometimes a bit during ovulation....sometimes randomly as a result of penetration....her post did justice to the reality that women are not robots with a series of inputs and outputs which we can calibrate to the utmost convenience. Many of us would be off more than half of the month if we did not work whenever there was either menstruation or some break through spotting. And, I will be honest, your new 'screening question' will be of little use to you. You can be sure that, when asked such a question, a great many SP will feel obligated into giving you some sort of answer to the effect of "no", rather than saying the question is invasive. In turn, the answers will likely not reflect our complex realities, such as in cases where we have periods pop up unexpectedly and still need to work, or when we are not technically menstruating but may have some breakthrough bleeding. I hope I'm getting through here. It took guts for the SPs who participated on the CERB thread to share about their bodies....to push the conversation deeper for the benefit of all. I hope that you have found my response on this matter to be sufficient to your screening process. Once you call, should you choose to call, I will be better able to finish mine. Cheers, Anna If we want to keep CERB a place that resists stigmatizing SPs, I suggest that our personal contributions to sensitive yet important topics like this be valued and noted for what they are; an opportunity for men...for our clients to get a better sense of how we actually experience our bodies. I do appreciate the candour shared here by service providers and plenty of willingness on the part of hobbyists who have contributed to the thread to evolve their thinking and assumptions and to encourage others to do so too. In the Spirit of continuing dialogue in a thoughtful, respectful direction.

You are not the only one who feels this way. You are not being picky or unreasonable because ultimately you have to do what is best for you. If it doesn't feel right then it means it's not for you. Always trust your instincts in this business. They never fail you. I feel the same way. Most here know of my dislike for BP. I've tried advertising there a few times and didn't like the clientele. Mostly low ballers, students who not want but expect a deal for 10 minutes. I have 20 year olds telling me my rates are too high and they can go get service for x amount as if they know everything.. Well why are they still talking to me? lol. I'm offering an experience, not a 5 minute bj that they seem to so desperately want. Then if I quote a rate for whatever length of time, they want to know the rate for a particular act. I'm an established SP. Granted, I'm not 20 years old but I believe that experience counts for something and some people appreciate that I take the time and effort for my clients. I'm sure there are some good SPs on BP but it's just not for me and I haven't had luck with it. The business has changed and while I have great regulars who appreciate spending quality time with me, I won't lie and say the thought of semi- retiring comes to mind. I don't like the direction the business has taken and I don't like being treated as though I'm someone who is a revolving door who just performs specific acts all day long. I see 1-2 clients a day since I have other things that pre-occupy my time. I have also moved over more into massage than escorting and it's something that I enjoy and that I'm good at. I am considering approaching that avenue in a professional manner. BP strikes me as one of those sites where some of the men (not all) who use the site as a get in and get out type transaction with minimal except for finishing to completion. Fast, quick and easy. What happened to the experience of being with an SP? It's just not there anymore and I'm not going to change how I conduct my business because people expect me to do 15 minute appts because other ladies are. That's their perogative and that's how they run their business. However, it doesn't mean that I have to just because someone else is doing it. The customer is not always right. For every 10 callers on BP, there was one decent client but in my experience that was also a long shot. I don't want to pay $12 USD EVERY SINGLE DAY to deal with some people who have no regard for me, that are rude, don't care for what I offer and only what is best for them. I've even had pimps try to contact me and other shady people trying to solicit their illegal business through the ladies on BP under the guise of being a client. I didn't sign up for that. There has to be a mutual respect and I certainly wasn't getting that vibe. I'd rather get a root canal 10 times over than deal with that. I can't tell you how many times I advertised on BP and wanted to rip my hair out that day. I have met many great clients on Cerb and there is more of an appreciation towards the service provider. And it's sad because most of what has been negatively said about sex workers regarding the new proposed legislation is in relation to sites like BP where it doesn't take much for someone to take a few pictures, with a cell phone number and call themselves a service provider. They don't take into consideration the community that is here and not some site where names and faces change on a regular basis.

Pho Bo Ga La. The original one on the side street in Ottawa. November 2009. Had a date with a guy there. I've tried some all over the world...this one is the best. EAch time I go to Ottawa, I go there:)

The two things are not mutually exclusive. i think what cat was getting at was that some services are provided due to market demand, and her points (seemingly missed?) that it is FAR more successful with trust and some history with the client, makes her point bang on (to use the drum analogy). An sp can enjoy daty and yet still provide it as a required service due to being a GFE provider due to market demands, and primarily for the consideration of the client not herself. If he is successful at it, that is her personal bonus lol. But an expectation of multiple orgasms possibly a few times a day due to seeing more than a couple of clients, and all multiple daty orgasms, just really isn't going to be realistic. Having said that, the majority of sps want to provide services that they themselves do enjoy, and not provide the ones they do not. So does someone who provides bbbjs or greek truly sincerely enjoy them, all the time with every single client because she just loves it that much? Or after the 5th greek client of the day, still doing it for the pure pleasure and not also because it is a service provided on her menu and ads? It is important, very important, to remember that this is not a FWB or GF/BF relationship, it is a service provider/client relationship, and the sessions are meant to be all about you. Some guys like to spend 45 minutes in daty, and figure that means they should get a discount because it is 'all for her'./ But 'all for her' doesn't pay the bills. re: rep comment, Peachy 'we' aren't assuming sps see up to 5 clients, but being realistic, especially for those who are on a limited schedule or traveling, it is entirely possible that on at least one day or once in a while, someone somewhere is going to see 5 clients. It is simply an example. Would it be better to say 3, 2 ? it is still more than most people experience in a single day. or even several days in a row with 2 a day.

Gawd - great idea in theory, but difficult to finalize. I would never want someone to approach me to barter my services. Period. If however I choose to ask my regular if he wants to barter with me, that would be my decision. I would never do it though. I would prefer to pay for things with cash. Easier Imo.

you know what really irritates me is whatever is the new prostitution laws supposed to address?

You are so right. I've actually thought of putting an ad on BP with an email, offering guys to contact me for details on ladies they are thinking of seeing. That way I can direct the guys who are not aware of CERB or the other boards to them, in hopes of starting to weed out the poor providers who prey on these poor fools.

Speak for yourself ..I don't remotely enjoy neither than provide script session :)

Can you say YES PLL-LLLease :biggrin: Additional Comments: I'll never forget that day!!

I enjoy classy, warm, well written ads that reflect femininity, a joy of life, sense of humour and intelligence with a touch of confidence and humility. Attention to photos and the photo backgrounds is always appreciated.

I saw Tiannah yesterday. She's a lovely person, chatty and sweet. Very attractive, although with a "thick", borderline BBW, look that might not appeal to all. It appeals a lot to me and she's really pretty, beautiful lips, eyes, smile. very pretty face. Had a good time. Decent location, safe, secure, central, communication easy by phone or email. If you're into waifs then she might not be for you, but for those who enjoy a soft sensuous womanly body, pretty face, great personality and good skills - you can't go wrong.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-soften-prostitution-bill-provision-by-expanding-legal-discussion-areas/article19607673/

No cause then it will bring the girls who are out there to rip you guys off on here. Plus there is a few that get guys to rob hobbyists . That is horrible.

All I can say is that the ladies I see put up with my shortcomings so I can put up with theirs. Nobody's perfect.

For those who question the previous post I will have a picture id posted with my birth date. The person saying this is lying. I'm actually twenty years old and turn 21 in March. Will also have id on me for any appointments.

I say hold off until you can think eerr, straight. In my own style I'd love to see you in a nice suit, after all you are my Donald Trump in jeans so why not play him for one day.? Just my personal fantasy though, :icon_smile::icon_smile::icon_smile:

A true G.F.E. and as fun as it gets ! Felina is exactly as advertised ! which is a rare find these days. I could simply repost her ad here because it is 100 % accurate. She has a great sense of humor truly enjoys what she does and it shows in every way !Non rushed totally relaxing and as hot as you can take it ! thanks Chica for a great afternoon !!!

Hello Zoe. As Midnite-Massage pointed out, your targeted period is a good time of the year to visit Halifax. The temps can still be very pleasant until late in the season, and the city will be vibrant with lots of cultural events. As you may know, we also have a wide selection of the finest restaurants and places to go out at night. Feel free to enquire if you are looking for specific recommendation. Members here will be glad to help.

Phaedrus is right. We all know the moment "it" happens, we feel it in our gut. That moment where there is not a fact someone has presented still standing under scrutiny and the next words out of their mouth is a personalized attack. It's in that moment we know we have reached deep down within them and challenged the very core of their beliefs. They struggle to hold onto those beliefs because they are identified with them, it makes them right and others wrong which is integral to their sense of self. They believe it's their belief that makes them who they are; challenging their beliefs with truth is within them akin to a part of them dying. When I'm engaged with someone I always assess them using these 3 points as guidelines. It helps me to formulate which method of engagement to utilize. Is what their are saying... a thought? These are fluid and open to dialogue. an opinion? These are more firmly held but can be challenged and changed with new ideas. A belief? Wars are started and people die for their beliefs. In any discussion, once someone makes it personal it is the most trustworthy sign of defeat. For those who are the casualties of outing, my heart feels for you and I am sorry. Thank you for taking the hit. Just remember we simply have to stay the course and don't engage; the true believers are not the ones we need to sway. It's those with thoughts and opinions who will turn the tide for us and I genuinely believe that change will come... cat

I think all those who were teens in 80's will get a kick out of this!!!

Everyone else on the road. All of them. When I become dictator for life, I will have my own private highways.

Hello Zoe! I'm sure you would be welcomed with open arms however I'll leave that up to the gents to comment on. Fall here is pretty great. You can normally still find very nice days and cooler evenings. The weather is still pretty mild and traveling is still on the good side. Personally I would think it's a great time for a visit as fall is setting in and lovely gents need some warming up! Good luck with everything if you decide to visit.

Auto correct My dad had a minor medical procedure done. He is in his 80's and texts. Sooooo I texted him yesterday ... "How are you doing?" BUT with auto correct and me not paying attention he got ...... "How's your dong ? Ha His reply was "Son you don't need to know that" lol I cryed from laughing.

Ive already put the recommendation up I just had to wait for the moderation period to be over. In fact I want quite the opposite, the more exposure she gets the better her business is and the longer she stays in business, if she didnt get any exposure she might have to move or stop working and then the service would no longer even be available.

I think that hits the nail squarely on the head piano. They regurgitate the same rhetoric that they hear from there favorite conservative voice, be it politician or clergy or whatever because they haven't the capacity for coming to their own conclusions based on fact checking and intelligent reasoning. Part of that is sheer laziness in their part but a lot of it has to do with a lack of intelligence and a bunch of brainwashing. We've seen this throughout human history. The Crusades, the inquisition, prohibition, the drug war, etc. Prostitution has always been the easiest and most targetted. And yet, here we are in the same old boat, the minority of intelligent, logical thinkers trying to persuade fools of their folly.

whenever I meet a gentlemen "gem" from bp, I make a point of telling them about the boards and ec. So many don't know that recommendation boards exist!

In my opinion, if this is a concern: 1. Ask "is it safe?" (This can actually sound a little playful) 2. Don't do it (DATY that is) For those like me who enjoy it (tremendously), this is not a major issue. If you happen to get the timing wrong, there is usually very little chance of getting a surprise (so to speak) if she is laying on her back. You will likely see it on your fingers (if that's part of it) and you just switch places!! Everyone gets a turn in my world!! ;) All this of course...my humble opinion.

This is sound advice I appreciate it, I am aware that no matter how awesome the experience is and how the SP acts it is and always will be just business. The reason this was so good was because it stopped me from thinking about the ex and really calmed me down, not because I'm in love with the SP. But I will keep the advice, it's probably the most important rule

I noticed that. She said earlier that there was someone who was advocating for child sex work, I asked her for proof of the statement and she didn't respond. And then when I noticed your name pop up, I was shocked, because it made no sense. And then when I read into it, I realized what happened. Unfortunately, and I know I'm going somewhat off-topic in my own thread, the antis have a general habit of glancing over facts. I hate to paint an entire group under the same brush, but time and time again, it's been their MO. Not once have I found out just one clear, concise person able to communicate without using the same old shtick of abusers/etc. And that's exactly what happened to you, someone who couldn't be bothered with fact checking made an incredibly outrageous comment, that under many circumstances would be cause for libel.

I wore a hair piece this week, it was funny cause many would say" omg you look stunning today!" and I would twirl and giggle and ask why .... funny they said " I dunno, just look extra radiant today" I feel men know what they like but not always able to pin point exactly what is. Which is awesome, cause that is such a fun part of being a women!

So you are saying...... That the fact that I like to meet at 6, show up at 630, had onion sandwiches for breakfast, have big and rough fingers, want to go to Greece and you don't, tell you my wife likes Justin Bieber and I want to cum in your ear is going to be a problem ?? I need to know these things people !!! Maybe you should put that in your ads ?? hehehe Or you can just sit on my face and we both just have fun ?? I am kinda easy going like that. If I was a woman and some dude wanted to cum in my ear I may have to de-penis them me thinks ....

When the money is given to the Provider it becomes Her money. When it is taken back after the fact it is considered stealing. Humiliated and robbed. Wow.

If you actually thought it through, you would see that is a tremendous ask. If risk aversion is your goal, you don't perform unprotected daty I'm to assume? As we have had the oral sex "risk" discussion ad nauseum here and the resounding response from most hobbyists is that they will make their own decisions regarding safe oral sex all the while the actual weight of the risk is carried by the SP. Now the shoe is on the other foot the tone and response is decidedly different. With a bbbj, the risk is carried by the provider and I genuinely believe most who provide it only so so because of the negative financial impact if one doesn't offer it. We already share the most intimate parts of ourselves with our clients, now it's expected we disclose our menstrual cycles as well? Perhaps we should keep photos of our enemas discharges so greek freaks can be assured we prepared to their satisfaction? This is why I have never offered a menu or consent to see clients who demand one. I agree to nothing in advance which leaves me with the option of guiding the session to ensure I only engage in activities I know to be safe with my guests. Not all ladies have that luxury with their client base. Given the feast and famine nature of the business, there are many who can't afford to lose 20-25% of her yearly income. I'd like to see what men would do if they had to take a 25% a year pay hit for a bodily function. Especially when it never coincides with the other things we have to take time off for; like being out of work for a urinary track infection or yeast infection. Which btw is also an almost monthly occurrence for many of us due to our work and we physically can't work thru it. Or any of the other things like the flu and cold epidemics we are exposed to daily that "real" jobs have paid, legislated sick days for which we are not entitled to. The reality is that sex workers have been using sponges for as long as sex workers and sponges have been around. My stance on this is safe play saves. Until you know and trust someone, use barrier protection for all acts that may exchange body fluids. It isn't rocket science, just a piece of rubber and if you don't want to use one, then be prepared for the unexpected...