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No cuddles after sex. Well depends on how hot the session was because then I might say, "Let's have a shower together then cuddles" :lovers: I like cuddling lol... That or, people who ask questions that can be answered on my FAQ page. :roll:

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Our friends to our south have the right to bear arms and we have the right to bare breasts! Thank you Gwen Jacobs and all women too!

Not exactly a "toy", but lately I have been enjoying my jacuzzi tub for extra orgasms ;) Oooh those jets! Combined with the heat of the bath... So intense! I can hardly walk after! Luckily, it's an ensuite tub and my bed is only a few feet away. Best way to end the day, ever! :D

every girlfriend i ever had kissed me in my opinion if you ain't kissing you ain't allowed to say gfe

I also find this thread interesting, from my point of view, it is simply this, if I want to see a lady and her rates are 700.00+++ for two hours or more I do so without hesitation it is because of the attraction it is because what she has to say in her ad's, it because I want to see her. I see no reason what so ever for a lady to drop her rates to be in a "competition" If that is what some are calling it. I've always been of the mind set that not all ladies do this on a full time regular basis, and have a life to live so where is the competition? Other than there is many ladies for men to choose from(especially in our market area-Ottawa) but if a lady needs to reduce her rate, perhaps she is doing this full-time and it does become a competition, OR maybe her only source of income,than so be it. I've seen ladies from the high spectrum, to the normal spectrum for the our area, and I'm happy to see either lady at either rate. I think Kylie said it very well above...... "things work themselves out: she'll drop her rates or won't have any appointments. It's that simple."

I have a very active imagination (and a no-nonsense vibrator).

Although it feels like she's doing something exclusively for you, but in reality there is nothing a dancer does for any one customer that she doesn't also do for many other customers.

Advertising a GFE and having to ask if kissing is on the menu because often it isn't.... or you get the old YMMV answer. Peace MG

Gotta hand it to this girl: she is way smarter than I could ever pretend to be. She took a radio-controlled vibrator and turned into a thereminbrator. http://scanlime.org/2012/11/hacking-my-vagina/

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I've got a Fever! ...and the only prescription is... http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/719364/ MORE COWBELL!! ;) Gold-platted diamonds baa-bee!!

Babes...everyone here has"worth", it is a rather broad question. What one may find sexy another may not, some like tall, some like shy, or not.... Why not just start communication with her, and see where it goes from there...I am sure she may be rather choosy herself on who she spends time with. I meant this in the kindest and helpful way, just dont want you to read it wrong. But I just find the best way to learn about someone is to start with a nice letter to her...etc.. Good luck:)

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Oh , I don't like half hour encounters, could never see me booking just a half hour encounter But saying ladies providing thirty minute encounters are more concerned with quantity than quality, well I'm sure there are many ladies that provide quality thirty minute encounters It's just there isn't time in those encounters for everything that might take place in a two to three hour encounters, that is all In fact one lady I see provides thirty minute encounters, and also provides a quality multi hour encounter Those ladies just provide a service because there are gentlemen who like a shorter service, that is all, maybe a guy seeing a lady during the workweek at lunchtime This lifestyle has gentlemen seeking various escapes and ladies providing them. Lets not label some of those services as quality versus quantity, just a case of a different type of encounter, that's all RG

OK.. now this is why arguments go to hell in a hand basket around here very quickly. Not that I would ever try and win an argument with Wikipedia being my primary source, but you clipped only the part of the article that supported your argument and left out the very part that disagree with you. The article defines GFE in very different terms for sex-workers in general and even mentions that strippers can offer GFE experience even within the confines of the club, with no intercourse or oral sex. To make me shake my head even more, you advertise yourself on your CERB profile as a "Luxury GFE-MA" as per my original post I was just quoting somebody else who I totally agreed with add as far as me being a luxury gfe ma , i just go with the flow with the way things are done in Ottawa where I come from GFe is explained in 1 way as in Edmonton massage like this does not exist it's all SP services

Please also consider the fact that certain ladies choose to charge a lower rate in order to attract more clients and see multiple people a week for shorter dates. Others will intentionally set very high prices in order to keep a restricted and exclusive clientele. This strategy is more for the ladies interested into the cocktail date market (2+ hours per date) and long term arrangements. Both providers can be equally beautiful, smart and entertaining but both have chosen to do business differently based on their needs, lifestyle and the type of dates that they want.

Or, Better yet... I moved the discussion to the general discussion area. No one should feel that they need to charge less in a specific city - lots of touring ladies visit Winnipeg and do not lower rates for that city. If the price is too high that no one books the lady will either move on to a different city or adjust prices if she feels comfortable doing so. Some of the comments are absurd and I am shocked this thread has stayed this civil. I am not a SP and I find some of the comments just frustrating to say the least. Please make sure this stays civil, it is a good discussion topic but can easily evoke great emotions but it is important ... so any comment that is frustrating you or that you do not agree with my advise is to educate the person making the comment instead of fighting and letting emotion take over... be sure to calmly educate them as to why the comment is not correct or absurd. Common sense says that if a lady is not making her financial goals she will adjust her price. If her price is so low that she can not handle the level of calls she is getting then she is priced too low, if she is not getting enough calls she may be priced too high and I am sure she will adjust within her comfort zone. Just because one person can not afford those rates does not mean others can not and will not. I am a car guy, I can't afford a Ferrari but maybe a lexus or a benz is in my budget. The ride in the lexus or the benz is really nice (much more comfortable then the ferrari and a lot more luxuries) but hell I would still like to own the Ferrari... but I would settle with the fantasy for now or maybe rent one on day to drive it just once (and save for that special day). Know what I mean? For the last 8 years I have driven a beat up old explorer but its reliable, does not cost much as it was paid off years ago and it gets the job done. On special occasions (weather permitting) I pull the 57 Chev Bel air out of the garage and turn some heads and have some fun at 10MPG!! We all live WITHIN our means or we work harder to achieve our goals and dreams! Someone will ALWAYS buy the Ferrari (if not they would stop making them!) am I mad cause I can't afford one right now? Nope... but it makes me work hard cause I would like to one day!

Not every woman can do what we do. Which is why most of them don't. yes, we get paid more. But we also open the door and welcome a stranger into our personal space, and from the second they walk in we kiss them and treat them like they're our boyfriend. So anyone who is comparing this to another source of income, PLEASE stop. Because it's not the same. We charge a lot. Because we give a lot. We give you our bodies. If you can't afford it, that's unfortunate, but please dont try to degrade us/negotiate our rates/make assumptions about who we are and what we do with our money. What we choose to charge in order to give you the right to our most personal, intimate moments...well, that's OUR choice, whether it means we're going to charge you $50, or $5000. One thing to think about... if we DIDN'T make what we do, do you think we'd all still be doing it? I do my job because I love sex...AND because I like the money I make. If I made $10 an hour, I wouldn't do it. The money I make gives me the freedom to do what I love to do most.

It is amazing (and depressing) to me that SPs are not allowed the legal right to work in the States. I am unable and unwilling to risk such an encounter due to the legal repercussions and how it would impact other parts of my life. Making this type of transaction illegal also results in less savory characters being involved and certainly discourages quality ladies who might otherwise do what they want with their bodies. When I had my first experience in Canada (thank you, Emmy St. Claire of Victoria), it changed me. It was so refreshing to visit an intelligent, sophisticated, and lovely person -- and we could behave without fear of anything. I guess what I want to say is: I love Canada (and its lovely, lovely ladies)...!

In one area they seem to be moving in a relatively more liberal way, marijuana. Washington and Colorado have voted to decriminalize. As far as sex I tend to be a very good boy when in the states. If a Canadian gets arrested and sentenced it's considered a crime of moral turpitude and you are barred from entering the US for life. I've got family there so that's a risk I wouldn't take.

Ah Americans.......... seeking our naturals resources........ I guess that`s what free trade is all about...lol

Waking up early and actually feeling hungry for once so I made hashbrowns, bacon, salad, coffee, pistachios, and sausage. Posted via Mobile Device

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Saturday Cy Cy 9-4 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Angel 9-9 NEW Chrissy 3:30-9 aka "cowgirlup" Jamie 3:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Jade 3:30-9 aka "Jadexo" Sunday Chrissy 10-9 aka "cowgirlup" Angel 10-4 NEW Jamie 10-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Cassie 10-9 aka "Sassie Cassie" Hannah 3:30-9 aka "Hannahxo" Monday Charlie 9-9 Welcome Back :) Hannah 9-4 aka "Hannahxo Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Jade 9-4 aka "Jadexo" Nicky 3:30-9 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Cy Cy 3:30-9 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Jenna 3:30-9 aka "Jenna69" Tuesday Charlie 9-9 Welcome Back :) Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Hannah 9-4 aka "Hannahxo" Jade 9-4 aka "Jadexo" Cy Cy 3:30-9 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Jamie 3:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Jordyn 3:30-9 aka "Jordynk" Wednesday Summer 9-4 Hannah 9-4 aka "Hannahxo" Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Jordyn 9-4 aka "Jordynk" Cassie 3:30-11 aka "Sassie Cassie" Jamie 3:30-11 aka "Jamie-xo" Jade 3:30-11 aka "Jadexo" Nicky 3:30-11 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Thursday Alyssa 9-4 NEW aka "Alyssa Staxxx" Nicky 9-7:30 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Jordyn 9-4 aka "Jordynk" Cy Cy 9-5:30 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Chrissy 3:30-11 aka "cowgirlup" Cassie 3:30-11 aka "Sassie Cassie" Jenna 5-11 aka "Jenna69" Melody 7-11 aka "Melody" Friday Lany 9-4 aka "Lany" Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Jade 9-7:30 aka "Jadexo" Summer 9-4 Cassie 3:30-11 aka "Sassie Cassie" Hannah 3:30-11 aka "Hannahxo" Nicky 3:30-11 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Melody 7-11 aka "Melody" Saturday Cy Cy 9-7 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Nicky 9-7 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Crystal 9-7 aka "Crystal" Angel 9-7 NEW Sunday Chrissy 10-9 aka "cowgirlup" Angel 10-4 NEW Jamie 10-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Cassie 10-9 aka "Sassie Cassie" Hannah 3:30-9 aka "Hannahxo"

I just got a pm from a guy saying " I learned you were just into massage" WTF!

Someone stole my registration sticker off my license plate. WTF????

You massage the girl, but you get too sensual and the girl gets pissed because she only wanted a massage, why does everything with you have to lead to sex, you have a big fight and stop talking to each other for the rest of the session. A true GFE massage.

Walking into a hotel in Toronto and having an SP wink and say- Hi "Name" While your SO is on your arm. The try having a catching up conversation. Awkward moment. (As all my hobbying has been done in Toronto to date)

well said. Additional Comments: pretty much you just got to ask yourself if you want to feel good below or feel good all over because half hours are (from my expeience, dont forget im just as new as you probly) only for getting the deed done. the hours are more of pampering.

First went to Barefax to see Diabla. Well didn't have the pleasure but did see lovely Kitty. The place was so crowded not a single vacant table or even a seat for me. It was a Christmas party but wasn't in mood for standing so drove over to Barbs. It was crowded even at 3:00 so good sign. Saw my long favorite Vlasta. Had dances with her. Very cute face in that lovely black short hair. She is now dancing at Barbs only Friday afternoons. First time to see her in over a year and happy to see her too. Also watched a few dances on stage by Ariel, Claire, Hennessy and new Ebony Sheila but had to leave just after 3:00 pm. Now I am all ready, hot and blue for my date tomorrow with a beautiful pale natural short hair young semi-brunette (Not a dancer) :). So stay tuned for my reco tomorrow night on this beautiful provider!!.

WOW - this is a real eye-opener for me on how a SP may operate :S Yet you have perplexed me... IMHO - One lady's price changes has nothing to do with the quality of another lady: Are you saying ladies should band together to fix prices in the industry just for the benefit of some other ladies whom may otherwise not be of the same quality or level of service and for which could not otherwise fetch the same prices in the marketplace on the own? - but just because?? ...only to have some SPs gain more $$$ from hobbyist whom otherwise get no more benefit from your time and services other than being cornered into artificially inflated prices beyond any normal free market level of supply and demand? (This is called Price Gouging - No??) Are you declaring this is the common practice which all SPs are to follow? What will you do if she (or others) doesn't keep up her prices as per your demands? What do you do when a SP actually does lower their price, as it seems to happen daily? (Example: Many ladies whom tour offer city-specific pricing (presumable based on each city being a different market with different supplies and demands for SPs).) Why not just 1 price for all cities? How can 1 price cover all the uniqueness and variations in quality (a subjective trait) each lady has when working independently in any open marketplace?? What does Winnipeg SP Market Prices have to do with Ottawa SP Market Prices? Is there a correlation? Just because one lady lowers a price doesn't mean another has to, nor in the opposite way either - No? What makes you feel this way about yourself, and others? Does the quality of your company change when other ladies change their prices Summer? Add or subtract services? Add or subtract intimacy? (...or what have you.) I ask this for clarity in your public comments, as as a 'hobby-conomist' (TM pending!) - I geek-out on studying these types of behaviours when learning about how SPs and the hobby works. Thanks in advance for your education! PS: I recommend everyone read Freakonomics - the Prostitution Chapter is awesome! PPS: I actually have a degree in Economics, worked in the international financial industry, have been an independent entrepreneur for decades studying micro- and macro- economics as related to human psychology - it's how the world works! PPPS: Personally, like myself, anyone can set any price they want - if I really want something in life, for me, price is irrelevant. I will fairly pay whatever. Just so interesting to understand how others think. (One more) PPPPS: Think about it - Why does CERB even exist? ..and have a B&S Section? Quality rules! (but not all 'actors' in the marketplace are ethical - whether in this industry or otherwise. As a buyer, I beware - Safety is Cool!! (and super-sexy ;) )

I am mostly an incall client to begin with. So far, I have absolutely nothing to complain about when I visit a lady, be it the way she dresses or not-dresses :icon_wink:. Her beautiful face is what entices me to go and see her in the first place. I have seen ladies wearing beautiful lingeries or suggestive outfits, as well as one lady wearing a beautiful house-coat but nothing underneath which was fine with me! For outcalls, I think it is drastically different. Since I live in a house, to me, discretion is very important. For this reason, I don't have any problem with the fine lady dresses even in jeans. One beautiful lady I saw recently dressed in a pair of tight jeans which showed her spinner body really well and - I love it :icon_biggrin:. Something interesting which I might add is that - both ladies I saw lately came in casual clothings ( obviously for discretion purpose), but when they emerged from the washroom, they were already in some fine sexy outfits! This showed how they take their job seriously and in a very professional way - which I admire profoundly. So, to me being a vey flexible person, I don't have the need to communicate in advance in regards to dresses because -- it seems the beautiful ladies here know just what to do! lol.

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Or Mod was generous with his/her time and vigilante back in 2009 when he defined the term GFE in the follow thread: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214 I guess the term GFE is a very personal one and we all have an opinion about what it really means. The key with any type of service is to communication with the service provider to clarify what is really offered and ask questions. We all welcome inquiries... right ladies? Canuck------ said it best. Quote: "At one point in time (and in certain places still) you would not be able to kiss the MA, you wouldn't shower together, you wouldn't hug and cuddle, you wouldn't be able to reciprocate touch, or do a reverse massage." The erotic massage industry has for sure evolved in Ottawa and was it not for the best? I know I'm having a lot more fun!

Lineups........I absolutely fricking hate them. I will go to the DoT several times and find a time with an empty parking lot. Fast food? There had better be only one person in front of me. Movies? Nope. Disneyland? Never again. If I have to wait forever in a line to do something, I'll find something better to do.

Discretion is the better part of valor. I have a part time employee who has been giving me fits lately with inattention, tardiness, and brain cramps. She recently went through a messy domestic relationship breakup and I have been cutting her a LOT of slack- partly out of respect for her mother (a valued employee) and partly out of sympathy- but it has been wearing thin and costing me money. She has two children (4,1) and a useless ex and this morning, she took her youngest to the hospital. Long story short, her child is very sick and may be hospitalized for several weeks.I am so thankful I didn't blow up at her recently and terminate her employment.....but it was close. The good part is that I can cut her a paycheck and an early Christmas bonus. The part that sucks is that she will spend her second Christmas in a row at the hospital with her son. Last year, he survived meningitis.

clients that book an appointment then don't give any notice of a cancelation- no phone call- email-nothing-this is so thoughtless and rude.

-- Distracted drivers... texting and or eating while driving. -- Poor hygiene -- men with forests growing out of their noses and ears... -- The lack of good manners demonstrated by others. (holding the door for others, helping others when they drop something, etc...) -- Revenue Canada taking their sweet time giving out tax refunds!! -- Pedestrians not sharing the side walk.

OkCupid message fail... telling me that I have "birthing hips" Yep. not a compliments in my eyes

I believe the OP posting their Question in the first place clearly answers that, along with some of the opinions given here indifferent of the facts (and indifferent to responding to the valid points in my 1st post), and the fact any MA would feel the need to use a long-standing and commonly known industry-wide Internet-filled Escort term to 'differentiate' themselves. In other words: No - it is Not. This appears all 'new' to MAs. Evidently, Erin. Personally, I find black and white lines much more flattering in my advertising :) Thus the very common use of the term GFE specifically by SPs to define said different 'tyoe of service'. This is clear. What's now not clear is why MAs would feel the need to use a long-standing Escorting Naming Standard originated by Escorts in the Escort Business which has always defined a type of Escorting Service - to try and describe their non-Escorting type of Services as, of course, MAs are not SPs, but rather MAs - and don't want the 2 to be confused? ...while obviously creating this 'grey' area (As Sensual Erin commented on above) which never existed before and seems to want to be perpetuated to whatever end... Exactly, and when a lady does GFE she is a SP as per the services of which a GFE has always been defined as for which SPs thought up of and created the term GFE for in to be different from MAs in the first place - and if one offers masseuse services - then she is a MA. (As PassionVitto commented on above.) Therefore, imho, otherwise, unnecessary market confusion is created by some MAs (or anyone else for that matter) - in otherwise mis-using said Escort terminology. ...and blanketly including all MAs into this 'new change' and 'grey zone' which has now confused the market, possibly disrupting business as usual? Should? Then are all 'non-GFE massages' (if I may create that term (TM pending :P )) - interpreted as always being a mechanical encounter within a non-sensual setting by all other MAs? Such as with yourself not advertising a GFE massage? ...and the other MAs you work with? If that was the case - then I am left to wonder why CERB did not create a commercial spa and paid ads forum rather than the separate SP and MA forums which now exist? Yes - agree 100%! We need clarity of current market confusion created by the MA 'grey zone' in using Escorting terminology in advertising before other MAs inadvertently fall into this. [CERB Rocks!] If I may ask - where did you 1st see the Escorting term GFE used for the MA business? Here on CERB? ...and do All of your ladies whom advertise 'GFE Massage' kiss and hug and all those whom don't advertise 'GFE massage' don't kiss and hug? Sounds like you describing a 'GF Massage' (see my previous post) - not a GFE (Escort) Massage - which has already been defined by Escorts for Escorting so as not too cause market confusion - such as this. Thanks in Advance Angie for your clarification about GFE Massage Services and your MAs :) I'm waiting to understand how all this works before I see any MAs. Where have you seen this before - got a link? What you describe above seems par for the course with all the SPs I have ever seen. This is not common for MAs? (Sidebar - If I may ask: What do you mean by 'not necessarily' - it's 'possible' with you/other MAs ?) Yes. Yes I can, and Yes I have! Simple philosophy in life I carry (since nearly dying various times) - always make love like its my last time. That is: Passionately ;) I expect someone with a sexy nick like yours to appreciate this :) Correct me if I am wrong... Part of the business is perpetual clarification (and minimization?) of said misunderstandings, and prevention and remediation of any 'grey zones' created therein - especially when and where known to happen? (...for the better of the industry as a hole - rather than the now opposite effect it appears to be having?) Easily: With clear advertising toward the respective targeted markets, which, albeit can be crossed - doesn't necessarily mean everyone is. I would assume both SPs and MAs care about their clients, as much as I, as a client (which I only speak of as myself and noth other hobbyists), are looking to see whom is a MA and whom is a SP, and their respective services for which specific industry targeted terminology (such as GFE for and by Escorts) is created in making advertising clear - for me to find what I am looking for (including caring). ...or were you being rhetorical with that Q? Hobbying is not a speculative industry, per se (nor, imho, does it or should it be), and menus are industry standard in order to display a SPs passions (vs. un-passionate 'restrictions'; as I would assume; if no need - why even have CERB? --bites tongue--) - thus the use of clear terms by SPs such as GFE & PSE - whereby it's not 'roulette' toward whether I, as a client, luck out and find a SP I like when looking for a SP, or finding a MA I like when looking for a MA. Seems like quite a gamble with high potential for many continued disappointments (wasted time and money and clients .. and industry? (if left unabated?)) when not necessary - as SPs and MAs can (and do) easily provide clear communications and simply use already established common terminology for each respective industry. (ex: the great websites some ladies have - you know who you are! ;) ) Otherwise - YMMV Greatly! ...and not in a good way. :sad: Yes! Thus, again, the need for clarification as to why MAs all of a sudden feel the need to now start using SPs terms to describe services which they do not provide as a industry standard (which already uniquely defines the differences between a lady choosing to be a SP or MA or otherwise). 'Homework' can be made easy with clear and proper use of industry terms, as previously commonly applied respective to MAs and SPs without causing any 'grey zones' on this 'GFE (but not GFE services) Massage' thingie. Believe you me, I have done heaps of 'homework' over the decades. Looking forward to your clarification (and anyone else from the business/hobby) towards MAs now feeling the need to start using SP terms to (apparently) differentiate themselves amongst MAs while not actually providing the advertised SP GFE Services for which GFE was, and is, created for :) ...rather than use already common MA terms, or even as I suggest - a 'GF Massage' (which seems fitting based on your description of services, rather than now create this grey zone of market confusion in trying to use the GFE term to describe, as made clear - non-SP services). Otherwise - use at own risk I guess? :S Unfortunately. Grey zones in hobby advertising makes me un-horny! :( Anyone else? Cheers! :) -------- I respectfully do not concur. 'GFE' is GFE as defined by Escorts and 'enjoy(ing) your girlfriend' is enjoying your girlfriend, as defined by you and your girlfriend. Seem like you are mixing apples and oranges. I have never had a 'one-dimensional' SP GFE ...and I don't ever expect to ;) Hopefully you and no one else ever does.

I'm finding some of the Client-side responses in this thread to be amazing. In the last instance, on what basis does one "take a rough guess at what the majority of SPs would do". Does this come from handling the financials for a great number of SPs? IMHO making the assumption that most or any SPs do not file taxes is not a good assumption. Nor is making any assumptions on annual income. Earlier on in this thread there was a crack about SPs making 20 times the average wage. This is seriously "apples and oranges" in that the $10/hr wage earner is not paying rent for the business, is not paying the utilities, the taxes, the wholesale price of the goods being handled. Elsewhere in the thread is a very good description of what costs are incurred by the SP. So I guess I'm in the "I'm OK with that the SP charges" camp. Yes, there are some I would like to see that I cannot afford. There are also a lot charging in a price range I can afford. I can't afford a Mercedes but I'm not going use the term gouging to describe Mercedes price structure.

I pay taxes just for your info. and I know a good amount of other SP that does the same.

Actually, it does make sense. Keep in mind the Subject and read it as if someone were literally writing English but thinking in another language. Many CERB-tites start from another language than English and occasionally interesting anomalies appear in their postings. Part of what makes the whole CERB experience as charming as it is. Carry on...

People who attempt to cross the SP-Client boundaries and think you should see them "off the clock".

I have been told quite often that I resemble Peter Mansbridge. Perhaps I can see that a bit.

I have an uncanny knack for saying exactly the wrong thing :(