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No cuddles after sex. Well depends on how hot the session was because then I might say, "Let's have a shower together then cuddles" :lovers: I like cuddling lol... That or, people who ask questions that can be answered on my FAQ page. :roll:

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Our friends to our south have the right to bear arms and we have the right to bare breasts! Thank you Gwen Jacobs and all women too!

Not exactly a "toy", but lately I have been enjoying my jacuzzi tub for extra orgasms ;) Oooh those jets! Combined with the heat of the bath... So intense! I can hardly walk after! Luckily, it's an ensuite tub and my bed is only a few feet away. Best way to end the day, ever! :D

every girlfriend i ever had kissed me in my opinion if you ain't kissing you ain't allowed to say gfe

I also find this thread interesting, from my point of view, it is simply this, if I want to see a lady and her rates are 700.00+++ for two hours or more I do so without hesitation it is because of the attraction it is because what she has to say in her ad's, it because I want to see her. I see no reason what so ever for a lady to drop her rates to be in a "competition" If that is what some are calling it. I've always been of the mind set that not all ladies do this on a full time regular basis, and have a life to live so where is the competition? Other than there is many ladies for men to choose from(especially in our market area-Ottawa) but if a lady needs to reduce her rate, perhaps she is doing this full-time and it does become a competition, OR maybe her only source of income,than so be it. I've seen ladies from the high spectrum, to the normal spectrum for the our area, and I'm happy to see either lady at either rate. I think Kylie said it very well above...... "things work themselves out: she'll drop her rates or won't have any appointments. It's that simple."

I have a very active imagination (and a no-nonsense vibrator).

Although it feels like she's doing something exclusively for you, but in reality there is nothing a dancer does for any one customer that she doesn't also do for many other customers.

Advertising a GFE and having to ask if kissing is on the menu because often it isn't.... or you get the old YMMV answer. Peace MG

Gotta hand it to this girl: she is way smarter than I could ever pretend to be. She took a radio-controlled vibrator and turned into a thereminbrator. http://scanlime.org/2012/11/hacking-my-vagina/

Just wondering! Additional Comments:

I've got a Fever! ...and the only prescription is... http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/719364/ MORE COWBELL!! ;) Gold-platted diamonds baa-bee!!

Babes...everyone here has"worth", it is a rather broad question. What one may find sexy another may not, some like tall, some like shy, or not.... Why not just start communication with her, and see where it goes from there...I am sure she may be rather choosy herself on who she spends time with. I meant this in the kindest and helpful way, just dont want you to read it wrong. But I just find the best way to learn about someone is to start with a nice letter to her...etc.. Good luck:)

How many points you can give out is not affected by your 16,000 points, which represents the reputation you've accumulated by participating in the forums and getting rep points or nominations. Giving points to others costs you none of your own points. However, there is a limit on how many points you may give to another member, as well as a daily total, set by the Mod. It's just been put in place to curb people from giving every post (or far too many) points, making you be more selective about what you deem worthy of them. :) Hope that helps! FR

Oh , I don't like half hour encounters, could never see me booking just a half hour encounter But saying ladies providing thirty minute encounters are more concerned with quantity than quality, well I'm sure there are many ladies that provide quality thirty minute encounters It's just there isn't time in those encounters for everything that might take place in a two to three hour encounters, that is all In fact one lady I see provides thirty minute encounters, and also provides a quality multi hour encounter Those ladies just provide a service because there are gentlemen who like a shorter service, that is all, maybe a guy seeing a lady during the workweek at lunchtime This lifestyle has gentlemen seeking various escapes and ladies providing them. Lets not label some of those services as quality versus quantity, just a case of a different type of encounter, that's all RG

OK.. now this is why arguments go to hell in a hand basket around here very quickly. Not that I would ever try and win an argument with Wikipedia being my primary source, but you clipped only the part of the article that supported your argument and left out the very part that disagree with you. The article defines GFE in very different terms for sex-workers in general and even mentions that strippers can offer GFE experience even within the confines of the club, with no intercourse or oral sex. To make me shake my head even more, you advertise yourself on your CERB profile as a "Luxury GFE-MA" as per my original post I was just quoting somebody else who I totally agreed with add as far as me being a luxury gfe ma , i just go with the flow with the way things are done in Ottawa where I come from GFe is explained in 1 way as in Edmonton massage like this does not exist it's all SP services

Please also consider the fact that certain ladies choose to charge a lower rate in order to attract more clients and see multiple people a week for shorter dates. Others will intentionally set very high prices in order to keep a restricted and exclusive clientele. This strategy is more for the ladies interested into the cocktail date market (2+ hours per date) and long term arrangements. Both providers can be equally beautiful, smart and entertaining but both have chosen to do business differently based on their needs, lifestyle and the type of dates that they want.

Or, Better yet... I moved the discussion to the general discussion area. No one should feel that they need to charge less in a specific city - lots of touring ladies visit Winnipeg and do not lower rates for that city. If the price is too high that no one books the lady will either move on to a different city or adjust prices if she feels comfortable doing so. Some of the comments are absurd and I am shocked this thread has stayed this civil. I am not a SP and I find some of the comments just frustrating to say the least. Please make sure this stays civil, it is a good discussion topic but can easily evoke great emotions but it is important ... so any comment that is frustrating you or that you do not agree with my advise is to educate the person making the comment instead of fighting and letting emotion take over... be sure to calmly educate them as to why the comment is not correct or absurd. Common sense says that if a lady is not making her financial goals she will adjust her price. If her price is so low that she can not handle the level of calls she is getting then she is priced too low, if she is not getting enough calls she may be priced too high and I am sure she will adjust within her comfort zone. Just because one person can not afford those rates does not mean others can not and will not. I am a car guy, I can't afford a Ferrari but maybe a lexus or a benz is in my budget. The ride in the lexus or the benz is really nice (much more comfortable then the ferrari and a lot more luxuries) but hell I would still like to own the Ferrari... but I would settle with the fantasy for now or maybe rent one on day to drive it just once (and save for that special day). Know what I mean? For the last 8 years I have driven a beat up old explorer but its reliable, does not cost much as it was paid off years ago and it gets the job done. On special occasions (weather permitting) I pull the 57 Chev Bel air out of the garage and turn some heads and have some fun at 10MPG!! We all live WITHIN our means or we work harder to achieve our goals and dreams! Someone will ALWAYS buy the Ferrari (if not they would stop making them!) am I mad cause I can't afford one right now? Nope... but it makes me work hard cause I would like to one day!

Not every woman can do what we do. Which is why most of them don't. yes, we get paid more. But we also open the door and welcome a stranger into our personal space, and from the second they walk in we kiss them and treat them like they're our boyfriend. So anyone who is comparing this to another source of income, PLEASE stop. Because it's not the same. We charge a lot. Because we give a lot. We give you our bodies. If you can't afford it, that's unfortunate, but please dont try to degrade us/negotiate our rates/make assumptions about who we are and what we do with our money. What we choose to charge in order to give you the right to our most personal, intimate moments...well, that's OUR choice, whether it means we're going to charge you $50, or $5000. One thing to think about... if we DIDN'T make what we do, do you think we'd all still be doing it? I do my job because I love sex...AND because I like the money I make. If I made $10 an hour, I wouldn't do it. The money I make gives me the freedom to do what I love to do most.

What makes you say "WTF?" For me? I say "WTF?" ...... When people walk around grocery stores wearing those giant blinking bluetooth ear sets and their on the phone and they bang into you and don't even say excuse me or apoligize... like seriously wft? They might as well have a douche bag taped to the side of their head

Had the amazing pleasure of meeting Alexxxis (xXxAxXx). I booked with her through PM and talk to her in chat room too. I just had the feeling she was my type of lady, and boy was I right. I just love a body that is a bit curvey and it doesn't hurt if she has nice T&As too. Alexxxis certain met that criteria and some. And, she just seemed like such on open-minded and fun lady, and was wondering whether both the body type and service would wow me......... So I arrive at her place, and we start with a nice long kiss, with a little tongue sharing. That just gets me started. We head off to her bed and then the fun began. We took our time exploring each others bodies and slowly removing some attire. Loved her body. Those natural tits and that ass, were amazing. She started with some wet and sloppy BBBJ, perfect. Then it was my turn to taste that pussy, nice and juicy and she was making it clear that she was enjoying it, encouraging me along and a little bit of dirty talk...this just gets me going more. I then move a little further south, and taste that ass, oh my god, my god, this lady is so enjoying it, and so am I. Time for the main act, and she mounts cowgirl style for a while, but that isn't really what I want, I want to mount her from behind, getting a great look at that ass, she wants it that way too This was so good, and I couldn't hold back any longer, and came in doggie. After we just relaxed (no choice we were spent), cuddled and chatted a bit. Her two cats joined us....I think they came by to see if we were okay.... Anyway, I had a great time, another gem. You should go see her, she was around a few years ago and is back, but seems to have a limited amount of time, so better go get hold of her, as you are missing a great experience.

It is amazing (and depressing) to me that SPs are not allowed the legal right to work in the States. I am unable and unwilling to risk such an encounter due to the legal repercussions and how it would impact other parts of my life. Making this type of transaction illegal also results in less savory characters being involved and certainly discourages quality ladies who might otherwise do what they want with their bodies. When I had my first experience in Canada (thank you, Emmy St. Claire of Victoria), it changed me. It was so refreshing to visit an intelligent, sophisticated, and lovely person -- and we could behave without fear of anything. I guess what I want to say is: I love Canada (and its lovely, lovely ladies)...!

I offer 45 minutes, i think a lot of guys would like that option. it is a nice amount of time for someone who really does need a little less pressure to finish. but the half hour is ideal for someone who has an hour to get here and get back to where they should be, or to stop in on their way to something else. a half hour break is easily explained, an hour plus commute time not so much. I find it more than adequate for the majority of guys, and it isn't rushed if the prelude is massage with conversation.

I love my Hitachi. Love. I'm also a fan of Lelo's line, and was recently gifted with some awesome Luna beads, hehe.

Waking up early and actually feeling hungry for once so I made hashbrowns, bacon, salad, coffee, pistachios, and sausage. Posted via Mobile Device

Falling asleep somewhere between 8:30 and 10 Pm and waking up at 4 am not being able to go back to sleep.

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Wow, well I've never experienced that but I did have a lady come visit my hotel suite once and something distracted me only a moment after her arrival, so when I looked back in her direction I have no idea what she might have been wearing as she wasn't wearing anything any longer... That was shockingly pleasant :)

Saturday Cy Cy 9-4 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Angel 9-9 NEW Chrissy 3:30-9 aka "cowgirlup" Jamie 3:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Jade 3:30-9 aka "Jadexo" Sunday Chrissy 10-9 aka "cowgirlup" Angel 10-4 NEW Jamie 10-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Cassie 10-9 aka "Sassie Cassie" Hannah 3:30-9 aka "Hannahxo" Monday Charlie 9-9 Welcome Back :) Hannah 9-4 aka "Hannahxo Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Jade 9-4 aka "Jadexo" Nicky 3:30-9 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Cy Cy 3:30-9 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Jenna 3:30-9 aka "Jenna69" Tuesday Charlie 9-9 Welcome Back :) Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Hannah 9-4 aka "Hannahxo" Jade 9-4 aka "Jadexo" Cy Cy 3:30-9 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Jamie 3:30-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Jordyn 3:30-9 aka "Jordynk" Wednesday Summer 9-4 Hannah 9-4 aka "Hannahxo" Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Jordyn 9-4 aka "Jordynk" Cassie 3:30-11 aka "Sassie Cassie" Jamie 3:30-11 aka "Jamie-xo" Jade 3:30-11 aka "Jadexo" Nicky 3:30-11 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Thursday Alyssa 9-4 NEW aka "Alyssa Staxxx" Nicky 9-7:30 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Jordyn 9-4 aka "Jordynk" Cy Cy 9-5:30 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Chrissy 3:30-11 aka "cowgirlup" Cassie 3:30-11 aka "Sassie Cassie" Jenna 5-11 aka "Jenna69" Melody 7-11 aka "Melody" Friday Lany 9-4 aka "Lany" Crystal 9-4 aka "Crystal" Jade 9-7:30 aka "Jadexo" Summer 9-4 Cassie 3:30-11 aka "Sassie Cassie" Hannah 3:30-11 aka "Hannahxo" Nicky 3:30-11 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Melody 7-11 aka "Melody" Saturday Cy Cy 9-7 NEW aka "Cy Cy" Nicky 9-7 NEW aka "Nicky in Paradise" Crystal 9-7 aka "Crystal" Angel 9-7 NEW Sunday Chrissy 10-9 aka "cowgirlup" Angel 10-4 NEW Jamie 10-9 aka "Jamie-xo" Cassie 10-9 aka "Sassie Cassie" Hannah 3:30-9 aka "Hannahxo"

I have to say, I think people get much too worked up over this stuff. There's only really a couple of things to say. First: we (almost) all have to get used to the fact that there are some things in life we want, but can't afford. Anyone who's even remotely considering spending hundreds of dollars on seeing a SP, no matter how many hundreds of dollars, isn't that badly off and shouldn't have too much to complain about in the grand scheme of things. There's no point being bitter about the fact that someone you really want to see is a bit out of your price range; ultimately, it hurts no-one save yourself. Second, and similarly, there's little to be gained by being bitter if you feel an encounter wasn't worth what you paid for it. Given the highly personal nature of what we're discussing here, we all have slightly different ideas of what "good" or "better" or "worth the $$$" actually involve, and that's before you get into completely intangible things like "chemistry". It's simply not reasonable to expect to hit the bullseye every time. Third: I know I'm going to sound like some sort of ultra-capitalist zealot by saying this, but... trust the market. SPs scamming people or delivering crappy service at top-end rates exist, and will always exist, and there isn't a lot we can do about it except avoiding them... but once everyone avoids them, they'll swiftly be gone. Similarly, SPs will adjust their rates until their income and number of clients they're seeing get to where they want them to be, or they realize that their goals are unachievable (not everyone is capable of meeting the expectations of clients paying top-end rates) and adjust accordingly. One thing that I have to note here is the essential role that CERB and other boards play in this: for markets to work efficiently, there has to be a free exchange of information. This is why recos here, reviews elsewhere and resources like CK's diary are so critical; they allow us guys to make informed decisions about who to see, and who's better avoided. If you had a great time, give that information to everyone else; if it was bad... well, you can't say so here, but bear in mind that although silence can speak volumes, it doesn't if you never say anything at all.

well said. Additional Comments: pretty much you just got to ask yourself if you want to feel good below or feel good all over because half hours are (from my expeience, dont forget im just as new as you probly) only for getting the deed done. the hours are more of pampering.

Awwww, thanks guys!!! What a nice surprise to sign on and see such nice things being said about moi....kisses out to everyone of you xoxo Welcome to cerb ryanstowe, I'm sure you will find everyone here to be super helpful with any questions. Have fun and enjoy! Sierra x

Usually undies, maybe a t-shirt. I have a no-pants rule in my home ;)

It's been many days and many miles since I've seen her last but it doesn't take much to get her beside me. In my imagination, anyway. All I have to do is close my eyes and I can feel her hair brushing my face again, her lips kissing my mouth. I can feel her soft skin in my hands, smell her faint perfume. I can see her smile, wide as the open prairie, when she sees me again. I can still hear her gentle laugh, caressing my ears. I blush to think of the things we've done. Things that I never had imagined I would ever do, much less relish. She's my freak with an angel's face, wanting to try more, more, more. She's both the angel and the devil on my shoulders, whispering the kinkiest suggestions in my ear with an innocent smile. But she holds me and kisses me softly afterwards as I gasp for breath, wide eyed and half in shock. I miss her, my girl. More than she will ever know. More than I could ever tell her. For you see, I can't just tell her the way I feel. I can't say that I care. I can't tell her that I've missed her. It's just not done, you see. For this business we're in is one of temporary bliss, part-time love doled out an hour or two at a time. It's just intended to be a dollop of joy to spice up my bland existence. There are no forevers, no happily ever afters. Hell, I'm never even fully sure whether she'll be around for a next time. I can't say how I feel. Because I know I would join the ranks of her ex-lovers. One of those guys who got too clingy. Too needy. Too creepy. One of the guys who was just too much trouble. So I play it cool. I make sure I leave her home with a smile, a broad ear-to-ear one that I can no more hold back than I can stop the sun from rising or the snow from falling. And I also smile when I think of her on dark winter nights such as these. But that smile is a wistful one, one she will never see or imagine I have when I think of her. No, I can't tell her the way I feel. But I can pour my heart out in these tales. And I'll joke with her the next time I see her. Great story? Thanks, yeah, it's fictional. It's kind of based on that other lady. And I'll laugh and smile again, an anxious smile, and hope she doesn't notice my eyes not quite meeting her gaze. I'll kiss her then, and we'll romp again. And I'll leave another tiny bit of myself behind. Again.

People who yell on their cellphones in public... Use your inside voice! I don't need to know your personal conversation :)

LOl, yes its thorough. No, she doesn't work at the CIA as Gegefatale suggests, but did discover an affair I had years ago when I was young and Naive. This fact has two interesting effects. First, she knows I'm capable of cheating (not good), but she also over estimates her abilty to detect it (very good)... Always let your SO think she's psychic or very intuitive... There's nothing better at hiding your true behavior than having a SO that thinks she can read your mind. Additional Comments: If I wasn't married I doubt I have much trouble finding women to make out with (I've had offers). For me, the issue about my wife is that she has largely lost her sex drive and that is actually quite natural considering her age. However, there are lots of good reasons to stay married (e.g., having 2 teenage sons, and two young adults in college). So SPs provide a service that allows me to stay relatively content in my marriage.

Or Mod was generous with his/her time and vigilante back in 2009 when he defined the term GFE in the follow thread: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214 I guess the term GFE is a very personal one and we all have an opinion about what it really means. The key with any type of service is to communication with the service provider to clarify what is really offered and ask questions. We all welcome inquiries... right ladies? Canuck------ said it best. Quote: "At one point in time (and in certain places still) you would not be able to kiss the MA, you wouldn't shower together, you wouldn't hug and cuddle, you wouldn't be able to reciprocate touch, or do a reverse massage." The erotic massage industry has for sure evolved in Ottawa and was it not for the best? I know I'm having a lot more fun!

Lineups........I absolutely fricking hate them. I will go to the DoT several times and find a time with an empty parking lot. Fast food? There had better be only one person in front of me. Movies? Nope. Disneyland? Never again. If I have to wait forever in a line to do something, I'll find something better to do.

I will disagree. The term GFE started getting used because of a change in the way escorts and other full-service providers started interacting with their clients. At one point in time it was very unusual for these people to kiss their clients or indulge in anything much more than the act itself. (no MSOG, bust a nut and you were done) As the interaction changed over time the term GFE started being used to indicate you were going to get kissing, and other interactions, more than slipping on the condom and getting off. Hence, more like a Girl-friend experience, than a paid service. It is an adjectival phrase that describes what type of service you are going to get. It is an adjective, not a noun. You don't get GFE. Your service was of the GFE variety. In massage, the term GFE means you are getting that type of massage. Again, as a change in the way service is being offered in that domain. At one point in time (and in certain places still) you would not be able to kiss the MA, you wouldn't shower together, you wouldn't hug and cuddle, you wouldn't be able to reciprocate touch, or do a reverse massage. You would get a rub and a tug. The GFE phrase came along to describe those providers who have a more intimate experience with their clients, including but not limited to the activities listed above. Either way there is no agreed upon definition of GFE, or its variant Safe GFE. It means different things to every person, and even those who offer it will usually say YMMV. You have to ask the provider, MA or SP, what they offer. As to the comments I read earlier about MA's don't allow DATY, or digits or whatever, my question would be: according to who? I know some who do offer that, and some who don't, but again it is a YMMV. If someone can point out to me in the Big Book of MA Rules, where I can find that written down, then I will run right down to Chapters and buy a copy. None of this is black and white. We all have our comfort zones, and we all have different experiences. Just because lips touch genitalia does not an SP make. In fact according to the OED paying someone for any kind of sexual service is prostitution. I think masturbating someone to orgasm is a sexual service. So according to our language, it is just a matter of degree. Trying to shoe horn others into your beliefs is a little bit too schoolyard for me. If their is no intent to mislead, or deceive, then let people describe what they do with terms they like and feel comfortable with. Additional Comments: OK.. now this is why arguments go to hell in a hand basket around here very quickly. Not that I would ever try and win an argument with Wikipedia being my primary source, but you clipped only the part of the article that supported your argument and left out the very part that disagree with you. The article defines GFE in very different terms for sex-workers in general and even mentions that strippers can offer GFE experience even within the confines of the club, with no intercourse or oral sex. To make me shake my head even more, you advertise yourself on your CERB profile as a "Luxury GFE-MA"

Although I agree with you I wonder why the term GFE needs to be used and given various and multiple different definitions that best suit the person(s) using it... Wouldn't it easier to describe the experience offered by the MA instead of using the term GFE and as a result, eliminate most of the confusion surrounding it?

I believe the OP posting their Question in the first place clearly answers that, along with some of the opinions given here indifferent of the facts (and indifferent to responding to the valid points in my 1st post), and the fact any MA would feel the need to use a long-standing and commonly known industry-wide Internet-filled Escort term to 'differentiate' themselves. In other words: No - it is Not. This appears all 'new' to MAs. Evidently, Erin. Personally, I find black and white lines much more flattering in my advertising :) Thus the very common use of the term GFE specifically by SPs to define said different 'tyoe of service'. This is clear. What's now not clear is why MAs would feel the need to use a long-standing Escorting Naming Standard originated by Escorts in the Escort Business which has always defined a type of Escorting Service - to try and describe their non-Escorting type of Services as, of course, MAs are not SPs, but rather MAs - and don't want the 2 to be confused? ...while obviously creating this 'grey' area (As Sensual Erin commented on above) which never existed before and seems to want to be perpetuated to whatever end... Exactly, and when a lady does GFE she is a SP as per the services of which a GFE has always been defined as for which SPs thought up of and created the term GFE for in to be different from MAs in the first place - and if one offers masseuse services - then she is a MA. (As PassionVitto commented on above.) Therefore, imho, otherwise, unnecessary market confusion is created by some MAs (or anyone else for that matter) - in otherwise mis-using said Escort terminology. ...and blanketly including all MAs into this 'new change' and 'grey zone' which has now confused the market, possibly disrupting business as usual? Should? Then are all 'non-GFE massages' (if I may create that term (TM pending :P )) - interpreted as always being a mechanical encounter within a non-sensual setting by all other MAs? Such as with yourself not advertising a GFE massage? ...and the other MAs you work with? If that was the case - then I am left to wonder why CERB did not create a commercial spa and paid ads forum rather than the separate SP and MA forums which now exist? Yes - agree 100%! We need clarity of current market confusion created by the MA 'grey zone' in using Escorting terminology in advertising before other MAs inadvertently fall into this. [CERB Rocks!] If I may ask - where did you 1st see the Escorting term GFE used for the MA business? Here on CERB? ...and do All of your ladies whom advertise 'GFE Massage' kiss and hug and all those whom don't advertise 'GFE massage' don't kiss and hug? Sounds like you describing a 'GF Massage' (see my previous post) - not a GFE (Escort) Massage - which has already been defined by Escorts for Escorting so as not too cause market confusion - such as this. Thanks in Advance Angie for your clarification about GFE Massage Services and your MAs :) I'm waiting to understand how all this works before I see any MAs. Where have you seen this before - got a link? What you describe above seems par for the course with all the SPs I have ever seen. This is not common for MAs? (Sidebar - If I may ask: What do you mean by 'not necessarily' - it's 'possible' with you/other MAs ?) Yes. Yes I can, and Yes I have! Simple philosophy in life I carry (since nearly dying various times) - always make love like its my last time. That is: Passionately ;) I expect someone with a sexy nick like yours to appreciate this :) Correct me if I am wrong... Part of the business is perpetual clarification (and minimization?) of said misunderstandings, and prevention and remediation of any 'grey zones' created therein - especially when and where known to happen? (...for the better of the industry as a hole - rather than the now opposite effect it appears to be having?) Easily: With clear advertising toward the respective targeted markets, which, albeit can be crossed - doesn't necessarily mean everyone is. I would assume both SPs and MAs care about their clients, as much as I, as a client (which I only speak of as myself and noth other hobbyists), are looking to see whom is a MA and whom is a SP, and their respective services for which specific industry targeted terminology (such as GFE for and by Escorts) is created in making advertising clear - for me to find what I am looking for (including caring). ...or were you being rhetorical with that Q? Hobbying is not a speculative industry, per se (nor, imho, does it or should it be), and menus are industry standard in order to display a SPs passions (vs. un-passionate 'restrictions'; as I would assume; if no need - why even have CERB? --bites tongue--) - thus the use of clear terms by SPs such as GFE & PSE - whereby it's not 'roulette' toward whether I, as a client, luck out and find a SP I like when looking for a SP, or finding a MA I like when looking for a MA. Seems like quite a gamble with high potential for many continued disappointments (wasted time and money and clients .. and industry? (if left unabated?)) when not necessary - as SPs and MAs can (and do) easily provide clear communications and simply use already established common terminology for each respective industry. (ex: the great websites some ladies have - you know who you are! ;) ) Otherwise - YMMV Greatly! ...and not in a good way. :sad: Yes! Thus, again, the need for clarification as to why MAs all of a sudden feel the need to now start using SPs terms to describe services which they do not provide as a industry standard (which already uniquely defines the differences between a lady choosing to be a SP or MA or otherwise). 'Homework' can be made easy with clear and proper use of industry terms, as previously commonly applied respective to MAs and SPs without causing any 'grey zones' on this 'GFE (but not GFE services) Massage' thingie. Believe you me, I have done heaps of 'homework' over the decades. Looking forward to your clarification (and anyone else from the business/hobby) towards MAs now feeling the need to start using SP terms to (apparently) differentiate themselves amongst MAs while not actually providing the advertised SP GFE Services for which GFE was, and is, created for :) ...rather than use already common MA terms, or even as I suggest - a 'GF Massage' (which seems fitting based on your description of services, rather than now create this grey zone of market confusion in trying to use the GFE term to describe, as made clear - non-SP services). Otherwise - use at own risk I guess? :S Unfortunately. Grey zones in hobby advertising makes me un-horny! :( Anyone else? Cheers! :) -------- I respectfully do not concur. 'GFE' is GFE as defined by Escorts and 'enjoy(ing) your girlfriend' is enjoying your girlfriend, as defined by you and your girlfriend. Seem like you are mixing apples and oranges. I have never had a 'one-dimensional' SP GFE ...and I don't ever expect to ;) Hopefully you and no one else ever does.

I agree with the term "GFE" and being misleading where MAs are concerned. When I hear the term "GFE", I think of escort services and a friendly attitude INCLUDING more intimate services ( DFK, DATY) that are appropriate to the term itself. So if this term is being used in the MA world, it can definitely cause confusion and MAs may feel pressured by some NOT all clients to perform extra services that only an SP would provide because once word gets out, then the expectations can be falsely set to a point where the majority of MAs would not be willing to offer SP type services. IMO, I think the word "sensual" not GFE would completely sum up the type of service an MA is willing to offer that is not cold and Mechanical. The same with the term "PSE" used in massage advertising. "Erotic" seems to be an equivalent type of word for PSE. We have to remember that GFE and PSE are experiences and actions, not just attitude and often the lines gets blurred as to what is and isn't being offered in a massage session.

I don't have many restrictions but I am very clear on the ones I have in place. If one toe goes over the line the date is over. Over stepping my few boundaries are a clear indication we are not right for each other so I would never feel bad ending a date very abruptly if I felt violated in any way. I respect every guest I have and feel very just in expecting the same in return.

I'm finding some of the Client-side responses in this thread to be amazing. In the last instance, on what basis does one "take a rough guess at what the majority of SPs would do". Does this come from handling the financials for a great number of SPs? IMHO making the assumption that most or any SPs do not file taxes is not a good assumption. Nor is making any assumptions on annual income. Earlier on in this thread there was a crack about SPs making 20 times the average wage. This is seriously "apples and oranges" in that the $10/hr wage earner is not paying rent for the business, is not paying the utilities, the taxes, the wholesale price of the goods being handled. Elsewhere in the thread is a very good description of what costs are incurred by the SP. So I guess I'm in the "I'm OK with that the SP charges" camp. Yes, there are some I would like to see that I cannot afford. There are also a lot charging in a price range I can afford. I can't afford a Mercedes but I'm not going use the term gouging to describe Mercedes price structure.

I pay taxes just for your info. and I know a good amount of other SP that does the same.

Actually, it does make sense. Keep in mind the Subject and read it as if someone were literally writing English but thinking in another language. Many CERB-tites start from another language than English and occasionally interesting anomalies appear in their postings. Part of what makes the whole CERB experience as charming as it is. Carry on...

People who attempt to cross the SP-Client boundaries and think you should see them "off the clock".

I have been told quite often that I resemble Peter Mansbridge. Perhaps I can see that a bit.

Please don't ask me when your with me, "OK how much do i owe you?" 0r "how much was that worth?" our prices are mentioned on our websites...they don't change once your here or because your good looking...lol