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Tom wanted me to keep you in the loop, he lost hand eye coordination totally this morning, and his speech became very slurred. Told me to pass on he was not even drinking! Seems peaceful at the moment. Promised him I would post on his behalf when he succumbed to this vicious disease Charles

Ladies, I know a lot of us have the "rates are non-negotiable" disclaimer on our websites but I think we should edit it to: "I will be happy to negotiate a new rate with you only when you are offering above and beyond what I have already listed on my site. Otherwise, thank you for your interest and good luck in your search."

If I'm in the mood to even reply to reduced rates, the conversation goes something like this. Him hey baby, u so fly. How much? Me thank you. My rate is $X. Him I only have $X. Me oh, you want the Pw experience. Him oh, what's Pw experience? Me the Pissed Wife Experience. You come over, I'm in my baggy flannel pjs and hand you an infant in dirty diapers. Dr. Phil is playing on the TV, and I keep the remote. I disappear for a while then come out dressed to the nines. You think wow, she's hot. I then put on my coat and tell you I should be back by closing time and have fun baby boy. That's if I'm feeling like replying. However, most times I ignore your calls. For those guys that post things like "anyone heard from X? She doesn't answer my texts," this might be a clue if you tried to negotiate. After all, it doesn't hurt to ask right?

I would say i would be happy to negotiate with someone who actually understands what negotiation is: it means you offer me a lower rate and I offer you less time/services. All too often the haggler is only interested in getting a lower rate, and offers absolutely nothing in exchange to get a lower rate. Some do not have a 45 minute rate, I do, however if I did not and someone thought the hour rate too high, then a proper negotiation would be to ask me can i do 45 minutes at a rate lower than the hour, and more than the half hour. Of course, why not, you are attempting to actually compromise and come up with a solution agreeable to both of us. however if i have found the majority of hagglers want to get the hour session at the half hour rate, and make sure that not only do they get what is normally offered, but additional services as well. The first thing I think of when someone is about to offer me less than what I quote, is that he will be one of those. If you want to negotiate go ahead, but keep in mind that negotiators and hagglers are never considered good clients, or valued regulars. If you do not mind being on their short list of people they would automatically choose not to see if anyone else contacts them in the meantime, then go ahead and dicker down the rate. If you think you are going to be welcome for repeat visits at the haggled down rate, you will be sadly mistaken Expect to be shuffled out the door without a end of session shower. Expect to see yourself going in for the hour, but door to door you are at 45 mnutes. Expect that, because that is actually what you paid her for, a lower rate = 45 minutes of her time. or 20 minutes if paying a reduced rate on a half hour session. escorts have ways of making sure you get what you pay for, one way or the other. Be wary of the ones who agree to a lower rate, it is extremely likely they are agreeing because the main thing some want from a haggler is to separate him from his money for his disrespect. if he feels shortchanged by the experience, that is entirely on him. Hopefully he will have learned his lesson by his own mistakes.

I'm not sure I have much new to add and I haven't posted in a while, but in discussions like this I think it's worth adding one's opinion as support if nothing else. One can hope that if enough people voice the same opinion then others may be less inclined to a certain behaviour. So let me say that no, this is not a relationship where negotiating is either polite or productive. The most you can accomplish for the sake of a couple bucks is many ladies losing their opinion of you, wasting some people's time, and even if one does successfully badger...sorry, negotiate, a ladies' rates down then chances are you've also reduced the quality of the time you'll spend with each other. Would you really want to be with someone who basically told you they don't think your time is worth what you say it is? There's are certainly reasons men negotiate, and it can be interesting to discuss those (and perhaps this post is a sidetrack since the OP was asking about "why" and not whether it's OK). But it's important to keep in mind that just because there's reasons people behave a certain way doesn't make it right.

Thank you Charles, very kind of you. Even in his darkest days he keeps his humor, so amazing. Hug him for me please. A stranger in the beginning, a friend in the end never did you turn away never did you bend even in your darkest days you'd reach out to say something nice, something funny in your own special way you typify a gentle man, you humble me so even amidst adversity and against a callous foe with humor as your weapon you gallantly fought never withering to pity or a depressing thought stay strong, be brave, I'm here for you friend forever, always and to the end.

That usually plays it's self out in the economy through a reduction in demand and then a response by suppliers to reduce their selling price for the good or service in order to increase sales... in very few industries does it play itself out in a negotiation over price. The Oil Patch worker does not go into the restaurant and suggest the steak is now too expensive he / she purchases something cheaper or goes to a lower cost restaurant or he just eats at home. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

I've never tried to negotiate. Partially because I feel it is rude to do so when it comes to a personalized service. I work with the public at times and hagglers drive me crazy.... a personal bias of course. Plus, this is not a generic commodity we are talking about. These ladies are giving of themselves in a most personal (and greatly appreciated) way. Mainly I don't however because it seems counter productive to my goal of an intimate experience where I feel she is as into it as I am. "Hey baby. I don't think you are worth as much as you think you are worth. By the way, are you turned on yet?" That doesn't mean price doesn't ever play a factor for me in my decisions. I have a play budget I try to stick to. Just that I would never ask. That's just me though. Others may view things differently. I also notice that in these conversations that inevitably someone brings up the fact that some ladies have specials from time to time. This is completely different in my opinion. It is a calculated business decision based on temporarily mitigating the slower times. It is their choice to do so and sometimes a sound business practice. Most businesses do this in some manner or another. Asking for a deal when none is offered just seems presumptuous to me. I'm probably the guy who pays too much for many things that I could be beating people down on, but life is to short for that in my opinion. My time is worth more than that to me. Twenty bucks should not be the deciding factor when it comes to intimacy. Just my thoughts on the subject. Mikey

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I don't want to sound like I'm trying to tell you how to run your life/business (he says, as he does just that) but it strikes me that this level of control is the sort of thing that's hard to achieve on any website run by another person or organization. My gut feeling is that this is the sort of thing that's best done on your own website, where you're completely in control of who has access to what.

While I certainly agree that we should not negotiate i'm not sure it's fair to paint all men who use BP as bottom feeders... You are probably right that it attracts a higher percentage of less than desirable clients but it is also used by decent men especially in smaller markets where the main advertising venue for touring ladies is BP. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk

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Sometimes, age becomes or can be unimportant, especially when the chemistry is there and there's a strong connection... have you ever felt that? This being said, I find that maturity, experience and wisdom are very attractive (in both men and women for me) ;)

I'm sorry to disagree. It's known throughout the business that negotiating is frowned upon and disliked. Although I agree with your reasoning, this business is a luxury, not a necessity and unique to others. So, respectfully, if anyone can't afford it then do without until they can. If some are offering specials then take advantage of those specials. We list our rates for a reason, and that reason is because that is what we've determined we need to meet our costs of doing business, anyone asking for less makes us feel that they think we aren't worthy, or other negative thoughts. So even if asked politely, I still think it rude.

Been seeing Jenna for a while now, and thought that it would be a great idea to give this beauty a sweet review. Right from the get go, you feel right at home and comfortable with her. She's a gorgeous girl with a beautiful face, awesome body and even awesomer smile. She's really down to earth and makes you feel relaxed and welcomed from the get go. She offers a great massage and relaxes you from start to finish. I can guarantee that one visit with her, and you'll be wanting to see her more and more. If you ever have the chance, don't miss it, cause she's awesome.

I recently saw my first 'no kissing' companion and I have to say, while it didn't COMPLETELY ruin the experience, I'll definitely be avoiding that situation in the future. I was actually surprised by how much it bothered me. I guess I had taken it for granted in the past and hadn't thought about it too much. It wasn't something that was discussed up front so I had no way of knowing. I just found it awkward and uncomfortable. Apparently I'm a really kissy guy because I constantly found myself just instinctively going in to kiss and then having her turn away. It was a kind of rejection and it made me feel bad, first of all just because I like to kiss (obviously) but worse, it made me feel like I was being a pest or trying to get her to do something she wasn't comfortable with. It truly was just habitual and instinctive so I kept having to catch myself which really put a damper on the whole thing. It's a shame because otherwise, I really liked her and if it weren't for that, I'd see her again in a heartbeat. All I know is that now it's one more thing on my list of questions to ask before meeting someone new.

I just thought of another one - Just to have sex with a hot lady while another lady just relaxes and watches...It would also be cool for her to throw in the occasional word of approval/encouragement with what she's seeing :)

Yeah, it's more about chemistry, and you never really know that until you're in the moment. That being said, I'm always a bit more cautious with younger women because I feel the risk is higher. To generalize a bit, I think they are more likely to not understand how to be discrete, to not know how to put on a condom properly, to be into drugs, or to be working for a pimp. Not always, but in nearly every aspect of life, with maturity comes a bit of risk aversion, and more mature SP's side step a lot of these risky habits. Also, if you're visiting a 20 year old SP then you're generally there for the 20 year old body. Some know they're trading on that only and it's enough to make a living, so they don't offer much more during the date. Experienced ladies know that the body might trigger a first visit, but personality, chemistry, and overall quality of the experience will bring repeat visits. I'm much more likely to call on a mature SP's hospitality a second time.

Are you just looking for a genuine RMT, or are you looking for extras that you can get the insurance company to pay for? If the former, that's fine. If the latter, it's a bad idea. Any RMT found to be offering any sort of sexual service will be thrown out by whatever the professional body is, and therefore won't be a RMT any more. And since insurance companies don't cover that either, any claim you might make would be fraud, which would get you into a whole pile of crap if they ever found out.

That's just not my thing, I'm afraid. Last time I saw someone I spent quite a long time checking out her snatch, and we then moved on to some experimentation with jerk techniques, with very satisfying results. Weightlifting is way more fun than basket-weaving :)

I negotiated recently ...... my bad I had booked an extended date and I wanted to bring some eats to have something to wash down with the Vino I wanted burgers and she wanted a healthy chicken burger. After a short negotiation I delivered chicken burgers .... ;)

Yes there are two new grads walking around this morning, with outstanding camel toes. Their nipples were pointed skyward, so I guess it is very cold outside. My new found "friend" from across the hall, came over and shared a glass of gin last night. She goes on full bed rest (odd thing to say when you don't do much all day but lay around!) today, she does not expect to be around much longer. Spoke about sex and positions favourited by each other (odd I know, speaking about sex with someone I barely know). She was too weak and sore to jump on the bed and sit on my face, and I have too many wires attached to go down on her. So she gave me a show, gave me a kiss good night and wandered back to her room. Have not seen the other two, so my options are dwindling fast. Ya, like I have options! Anyway enjoy Super Bowl, have an orgy, drink lots and don't drive. hopefully have another update on tuesday TheLiquor Tom

Almost lucid Pain is masked Did not fall over or faint when goin to the bathroom Thinking of my friends on Cerb Play lots Play safe Drink single malt Look for great camel toes Peace

I was very lucky to get to see such a special person for an amazing time. She is a very real down to earth person. We were able to chat and relax together throughout the visit. Alex payed attention to all the details and made me feel just so comfortable. The location she is in just helps to make it complete as it is a perfect setup. I must say that her photos do not show just how beautiful she is. She has a body that I have been dreaming about ever since our encounter. I can not wait to go back and see her this week.........

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Got to LOVE Monte Python! Decided, like many before me, this song will be played as the 6 carry me out to the hearse. So to my friends and those who have followed this journey over the past 2 years, the journey is basically at an end. I am getting moved to Kitchener area on Friday to a respite facility where the pain will be medicated stronger than can be done at home. My memory took a rapid turn for the worse on the weekend, and I passed out from pain a couple of times. Probably have no more than 10 - 20 days max before my ashes go onto the driveway....I mean golf course! KW is closer to most of the family and it will make it easier on them. I have had a lucid day and a half, where I sent personalized notes of thanx to some of the very special people I have met, had decidedly naughty conversations with and with those who I have not been able to visit. I am sure I have missed quite a few, and I apologize to them. sigh, so many camel toes and just not enough time!!!!! I have sent a note to organ transplant folks to use my tongue in case anyone wants it. I want to thank you all again for all for the notes and emails sent, it helped me get through the shitty days and I really appreciated it. If I am not too drugged tonight, I will try and get on chat. After Friday, if you want to chat, please send me a note to the gmail address, as it may be more discrete for me to look at. So I will not be attending the next Cerb Spring Social, but I hope you all have naughty fun, end up laughing at all the stupid things I have said and done, and end up with mighty hangovers!!! As previously stated either my brother or a very good friend of mine will come on and let you know how far I got. I will get to the Super Bowl, but not the Masters! Have a shot at the bar in my memory! And when you hear Monty Python being played, smile and think of me. See you on the other side. Peace Tom TheLiquor

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Some guys may negotiate but I think it's pretty much frowned upon in the community as a whole A lady choosing to lower her rates is not the same as a guy dickering her price down. And many ladies do clearly state no negotiating on their websites. And just my opinion, but negotiating in this lifestyle must be demeaning to a lady. In what other businesses is the person the business and the person is intimate with her client? Negotiating, well haggling, must make the lady feel cheapened Here are just a few threads on the topic http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=125152&highlight=negotiating and http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=141558&highlight=negotiating Anyhow, a quick morning rambling from a non negotiator RG

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Did you say snatch ? Haven't heard that word forEVAR !! Was thinking that would be a good word if you play scrabble with your dates.....but realized it is only worth 11 points ? If you like Jeopardy tho....you could have a category "Checking snatch and jerk techniques Alex " ? ;) Ding ding.... DAILY DOUBLE !!! Anyhoooooo may have gandered off topic there a tad..............

My first time there and will be my first time meeting a pornstar and Tori is one of my favourites!

Well to start with and for those who know me I'm extremely positive. But what really brings a smile to my face. Well so many things but I'll rattle off a quick couple: - spending time with a special lady. - good single malt. - little babies laughing and actually maternity wards. - the human touch (actually stimulating all 5 senses) - forest and mountains. - sleeping and hearing the ocean waves. - fireplace - good cigar - most pets but especially dogs and cats. - travelling - learning Ok that's probably enough. Cub

I noticed Tori Black was the special guest so I mentioned the event and her on twitter. My account is now going crazy because she retweeted my post. #Sexapooloza

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Having read all the glorious reviews and recos. of Yumi, I thought I'd better take a look myself, and...I was not disappointed! :icon_smile: Yumi was like everyone described; pretty, sweet and she was very service-oriented. To be truthful, she was not as vocal and expressive as others like Mona or Olivia from the same agencies. But due to her better grasp of the English language, her uttering of phrases like " baby, I love you already.." when I was giving her a sensual massage and other treatments seemed to make up for these, lol. :biggrin: She might not be overtly expressive, but her subtle and quiet reaction indicated that she was enjoying the way I was pampering her. In return, she made every effort to reciprocate and to accommodate me. It was gratifying to see someone appreciated my effort to such extent. I have no hesitation to recommend her or to repeat with her.

Sexapalooza is extremely couple-friendly. I miss not being in Ottawa anymore and attending it.

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Age is just a number to me. It simply says how many rotations around the sun you have made. Every one is unique in their perspective, experience, learning and loving so I try to find the connection and shared energy with each person. I've had wonderful experiences with both "many rotations" and "less rotations" (tee hee) as well as not so wonderful. For me it's about personality, character and energy. Looks and body type play a small part but I much prefer the rest and how they relate to me.

I feel it's about balance. We all have needs and wants that add to our overall happiness in life. We are each responsible for our own happiness and for doing what is right for us. There are situations that arise where this concept is put into question or thrown out altogether and at that point, we have a choice in how to react. Some choose to be stoic and if that feels right for them, great. Some people pick that because they are taught or have been told that they "must do what is right". The problem here is "right for who"? Usually it's another person or based on the views and beliefs of someone else and usually not in OUR best interest but theirs. Yes, in relationships there are demands made, boundaries stated and commitments made however people seem to think that these things can never change. The problem is that we are ALWAYS changing so shouldn't our boundaries, commitments and beliefs change as well? There should at least be conversations about them, a check in. Relationships are ever evolving and communication is key to make them viable and present. I don't believe in making demands on someone else that are best for us. Everyone has the right to choose and make choices right for them. If something changes IE: desire, sexual interest, I don't feel someone should suddenly shut of all their needs and desires because someone else has changed. There are always compromises that can support the relationship while ensuring happiness for all. The only problem in this equation is ego and the fear and selfishness that comes along with it. Is it easy, no...is it worth it? Yes. We are on this earth to be happy and we cannot do that without self care and the only person who can provide self care is us. I expect many are thinking I'm daft or naive at this point but it's more about awareness, evolution and spiritual work. Life is a work in progress and we create the life we lead. Some relationships last, some are only for a little while and some we outgrown as we grow. None of these are bad things but they do take courage to face and deal with. Every bad situation can lead us to something better or can lead us to worse; the choice is ours. The only person to determine that is us and in order to be happy, we have to be honest with ourselves. The choice is ours to make so it's in our control we just have to live with and within whatever it happens to be. Sometimes we choose to suffer, sometimes we don't but ultimately it's our choice. I think it's more about a sexual being having happiness/needs met through sexual and intimate connection as opposed to thinking that they can live with love alone. It can be done but will you be happy and content?

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I first noticed Karma and Cleo's separate adds awhile ago, and noticed they were providing duo's. I've never had that experience and was obviously intrigued (have probably fantasied about it my whole life). These girls are great as a couple, right away you're put at ease by the way they interact and chat. They're into each other and they included me perfectly! Both girls have recommendations separately, and Cleo is a member of this site. Hardest part is telling which one is better... but I don't have too they're both fantastic!

Even though we havent met you always managed to make me smile with a note or message on my wall...thank you for that Tom xxx Bianca

Just a quick message is to thank all my Cerb friends who throughout my journey with cancer, have made me laugh and shed a tear! (Either that or I had gas that day!) You folks have been great. Thx

I can think of only one thing that I like to do and haven't yet..... and it's damn sexy. One day I'd like to fall madly in love.

The option to block just one person from a profile does not exist, the council has actually been discussing private profiles and are considering removing that feature all together as it seams to be being abused. The ladies use the profiles to help screen the guys (see what they have posted in the past) so when a guy blocks his profile it makes many of the ladies suspicious. When a lady blocks her profile it makes it hard for the guys to see as well (making this a frustrating on both sides). Not sure yet if the council will get rid of it all together but from the looks of it that may be the best choice.

No kissing feels weird except if it's a massage session. I'm definitely a kisser and a damn good one too! lol No kissing to me or a kiss on the cheek upon greeting is like someone letting you have only one potato chip and not another. So I'm sending my intention out to the universe to all the kissers... until then.

I've recently met a few new women lately that did not kiss. Sessions were good, but not as much fun with out the kissing and cuddling. But the last girl, that I had saw for the second time, was a awesome kisser and to be able kiss and cuddle after the main event was great. It makes the difference between a good session and a great session. Without kissing there cannot be true intimacy between a man and a woman. I've had a few older men pm me about which women kissed and cuddled. And most of them had said that they would be happy with just the kissing and cuddling. It's something that us older men miss and need sometimes.